Tim Streater wrote:


For the third time of asking: what is the "major hurdle" that you are
claiming has been passed?

At what point is the penny going to drop that you're arguing with a troll?
Give it up. You're wasting your time and filling my newsfeed with "empty"
content.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 14/12/2016 07:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/12/16 00:46, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I should have chosen a group with more intelligence.

How would you recognise it if you did?


Anything that crawls about would be more intelligent than sword.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:57:15 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:10:46 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:21:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:43:04 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 14:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I find it absurd people get upset about being given something
free.

Tell that to your boyfriend when its the crabs..

An UPGRADE to IMPROVE your OS is not the same as crabs.

If its Mcrosoft, it is.

Funny how it's the most popular.

Crabs are very common, too.

But we choose our OS.

You don't.
It comes with the computer you bought.

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control, threatened
& cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on their
computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs, on the
pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:48:57 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you not
take a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

+1

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

Remember the "I'm a PC" ads? Pure nonsense, IMO, as a PC is
/hardware/ but MS got it into people's heads that a PC is MS Windows.
Another is the latest "Which?" ads "Having trouble with your laptop?"
which again is pure nonsense, as the ads clearly depict MS Windows which
is /software/! So IMO that should be "Having trouble with Windows on your
laptop?"

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx
wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find most people ignore copyright.

--
Q. What did the sign on the door of the whorehouse say?
A. Beat it - we're closed.

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx
wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:57:15 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:10:46 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:21:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:43:04 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 14:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I find it absurd people get upset about being given something
free.

Tell that to your boyfriend when its the crabs..

An UPGRADE to IMPROVE your OS is not the same as crabs.

If its Mcrosoft, it is.

Funny how it's the most popular.

Crabs are very common, too.

But we choose our OS.

You don't.
It comes with the computer you bought.

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control, threatened
& cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on their
computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs, on the
pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.



Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.
A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.
At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

On 14/12/16 19:39, dennis@home wrote:
On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:57:15 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:10:46 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:21:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:43:04 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 14:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I find it absurd people get upset about being given something
free.

Tell that to your boyfriend when its the crabs..

An UPGRADE to IMPROVE your OS is not the same as crabs.

If its Mcrosoft, it is.

Funny how it's the most popular.

Crabs are very common, too.

But we choose our OS.

You don't.
It comes with the computer you bought.

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control, threatened
& cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on their
computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs, on the
pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.



Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.
A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.
At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

http://www.osnews.com/story/25507/Mi..._8_Using_UEFI/

https://mspoweruser.com/italian-supr...o-use-windows/

http://www.phonenews.com/microsoft-d...ndows-8-19713/

etc. etc.

Porer ole harry. Still thins Microsoft are the 'good guys'

Probably supports Jeremy Corbyn too..

On 14/12/2016 18:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.
A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.
At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

http://www.osnews.com/story/25507/Mi..._8_Using_UEFI/

And how does that stop them selling machines without uefi?
About the only thing it did was stopping them putting XP on it.


Probably supports Jeremy Corbyn too..

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim+
wrote:

Tim Streater wrote:

For the third time of asking: what is the "major hurdle" that you are
claiming has been passed?

At what point is the penny going to drop that you're arguing with a troll?

Really? Gosh - a troll - who knew, eh?


And you find it fulfilling? You think you can "win" an argument or belittle
him in any way?

Seriously, why?

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 12/12/2016 18:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:09:49 -0000, Huge wrote:

On 2016-12-11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 11/12/16 22:05, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[24 lines snipped]

You probably thought we'd never invent the computer.

Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear...

Look who is this James Wilkinson Sword dweeb? And why doesn't he just
fusion off?

He's a nym-shifting

Wrong.

You a
http://www.wordsense.eu/nymshifter/

troll,

Wrong.

Denial of the obvious.

probably Peter Hucker.

Correct.

Just killfile him and be done with it.

Then you wouldn't have gotten to read this thread.

They're enough others who add value to this thread.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim+
wrote:

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim+
wrote:

Tim Streater wrote:

For the third time of asking: what is the "major hurdle" that you are
claiming has been passed?

At what point is the penny going to drop that you're arguing with a troll?

Really? Gosh - a troll - who knew, eh?

And you find it fulfilling? You think you can "win" an argument or belittle
him in any way?

Seriously, why?

Well it might improve his trolling.

How can he improve on perfection? He's stringing you along perfectly.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:52:38 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 07:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/12/16 00:46, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I should have chosen a group with more intelligence.

How would you recognise it if you did?


Anything that crawls about would be more intelligent than sword.

Two more childish replies.

--
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people
appear bright until you hear them speak.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:42:20 -0000, Martin Barclay wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:48:57 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you not
take a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

+1

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

Remember the "I'm a PC" ads? Pure nonsense, IMO, as a PC is
/hardware/ but MS got it into people's heads that a PC is MS Windows.

Well most PCs use Windows. Unix is for freaks.

Another is the latest "Which?" ads "Having trouble with your laptop?"
which again is pure nonsense, as the ads clearly depict MS Windows which
is /software/! So IMO that should be "Having trouble with Windows on your
laptop?"

If your car is misfiring, would you say "no the car isn't broken, it's the onboard computer"?

--
Los Angeles's full name is €œEl Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la
Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula€� and can be
abbreviated to 3.63% of its size, €œL.A.€�

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx
wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

No, I'd say about 90%. Then there's all the other laws nobody cares about, like speeding.

--
To snip or not to snip that is the question,
Whether 'tis nobler for the index finger to cut the verbosity and gobbledegook of nutters
or to append a meaningless comment and demonstrate their shallowness.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx
wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

Actually it's only a civil offence. To be a criminal you have to break a criminal law.

--
The way to a man's heart is through the left ventricle.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx
wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

You're the odd one out wasting his money on what can be free:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-04-2...ding-right-now

--
The way to a man's heart is through the left ventricle.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:26:00 -0000, Fredxxx wrote:

On 12/12/2016 18:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:09:49 -0000, Huge wrote:

On 2016-12-11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 11/12/16 22:05, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[24 lines snipped]

You probably thought we'd never invent the computer.

Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear...

Look who is this James Wilkinson Sword dweeb? And why doesn't he just
fusion off?

He's a nym-shifting

Wrong.

You a
http://www.wordsense.eu/nymshifter/

That says deceptively. I'm not being deceptive, I just changed my name because I wanted to.

troll,

Wrong.

Denial of the obvious.

You use the word troll for anyone who disagrees with you, you're very childish.

probably Peter Hucker.

Correct.

Just killfile him and be done with it.

Then you wouldn't have gotten to read this thread.

They're enough others who add value to this thread.

Is English not your first language?

And if everybody killfiled me, nobody would have seen the thread to be able to reply to it. I started the thread.

--
Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 -0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control, threatened
& cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on their
computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs, on the
pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And how big were these discounts?

75% (well that was my discount anyway). And you didn't have to put M$ on every PC.

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

No it doesn't. You can sell bare bones and make it even cheaper.

--
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked him to forgive me. -- Emo Philips

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:15 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:10:46 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:21:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:43:04 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 14:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I find it absurd people get upset about being given something free.

Tell that to your boyfriend when its the crabs..

An UPGRADE to IMPROVE your OS is not the same as crabs.

If its Mcrosoft, it is.

Funny how it's the most popular.

Crabs are very common, too.

But we choose our OS.

You don't.
It comes with the computer you bought.

Ever heard of "format"?

--
Complete with obligatory low frequency bass, electrically recorded on a four track in two hours. This has enough power to destroy the most expensive washing machine.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:20:46 -0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:14:39 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 12/12/2016 22:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:44:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:41:49 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:

Well somebody must think it's going to work to put money into it.

If it could be made to work it would solve our energy problems at a
stroke. But even confining the plasma has proved difficult. And getting
more energy out than goes in to run it even harder.

Yet they claim to have passed a major hurdle.

Perhaps Mr Blunt Sword can tell us what the "major hurdle" is that has
been passed.

PS - Note to Bluntie: if you quote technical or scientific stuff from a
****bag "Elvis seen on Mars" website you must expect derision.

I expected discussion, perhaps I should have chosen a group with more
intelligence.

So far nothing worth discussing has been presented, either by you or
that Elvis website you pointed us at.

For the third time of asking: what is the "major hurdle" that you are
claiming has been passed?

Once you tell us that, there will be something to discuss.

Do you want me to translate the page from English into stupid for you?

--
A man came home from work earlier than usual and caught his wife in bed with his best friend.
Enraged, the husband grabbed a gun and shot his friend.
His wife said, "You know, if you go on like this, you're going to lose ALL your friends."

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did.

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft ‘killed Dell Linux’ – States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 – IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

MS paid $50k to buy ‘Compaq of Europe’ out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:02:30 -0000, Martin Barclay wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

Telling me I've been plonked but removing why is absolutely pointless. Why is this group considerably less intelligent than all the others?

--
Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:21:47 -0000, Martin Barclay wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did..

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft €˜killed Dell Linux €“ States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 €“ IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

MS paid $50k to buy €˜Compaq of Europe out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones..

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/

It's called big business. Nothing to stop you formatting the PC, or buying the parts yourself.

--
How come abbreviated is such a long word?

On 14/12/2016 23:21, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did.

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft ‘killed Dell Linux’ – States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 – IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

Hmm a 2002 artical about a trial in 1998 and M$ forcing dell to pull
linux in 2001.

Hmm, why are the dates so strange, could it be bull?

MS paid $50k to buy ‘Compaq of Europe’ out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

Try reading an unbiased report rather than the register which is never
unbiased in case you haven't noticed.

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/


A judge looked at the terms IBM were claiming forced them to ship
windows and decided that they didn't.
It was up to IBM to decide how much they wanted as a discount and
decided they didn't want to agree to the terms that got them the bigger
discounts.
What exactly is forcing them about that?
They still tried to sell OS2 and not windows and it had nothing to do
with linux or bare machines.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:51:38 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 23:21, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did.

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft €˜killed Dell Linux €“ States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 €“ IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

Hmm a 2002 artical about a trial in 1998 and M$ forcing dell to pull
linux in 2001.

Hmm, why are the dates so strange, could it be bull?

MS paid $50k to buy €˜Compaq of Europe out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

Try reading an unbiased report rather than the register which is never
unbiased in case you haven't noticed.

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/


A judge looked at the terms IBM were claiming forced them to ship
windows and decided that they didn't.
It was up to IBM to decide how much they wanted as a discount and
decided they didn't want to agree to the terms that got them the bigger
discounts.
What exactly is forcing them about that?
They still tried to sell OS2 and not windows and it had nothing to do
with linux or bare machines.

Stoppit, you're showing sense in the DIY group.

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On 15/12/16 01:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:21:47 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/

It's called big business. Nothing to stop you formatting the PC, or
buying the parts yourself.

Except a boot system that needs proprietary microsoft code to boot.

Its called UEFI.

On 15/12/16 01:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:02:30 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

Telling me I've been plonked but removing why is absolutely pointless.
Childish remark.
Why is this group considerably less intelligent than all the others?

Because it contains you?

On 14/12/16 23:36, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx

wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would
you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get
it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money
from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

Actually it's only a civil offence. To be a criminal you have to break
a criminal law.

Theft is a criminal offence.

On 15/12/16 00:13, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
For the third time of asking: what is the "major hurdle" that you are
claiming has been passed?

Once you tell us that, there will be something to discuss.

Do you want me to translate the page from English into stupid for you?

We will take that a 'no' then.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 04:29:58 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/12/16 01:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:02:30 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

Telling me I've been plonked but removing why is absolutely pointless.
Childish remark.
Why is this group considerably less intelligent than all the others?

Because it contains you?

He's obviously a troll with little intelligence. It appears everything has
to be spelled out for him. Not worth bothering with IMO.

On 15/12/2016 02:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/12/16 01:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:21:47 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/

It's called big business. Nothing to stop you formatting the PC, or
buying the parts yourself.

Except a boot system that needs proprietary microsoft code to boot.

Its called UEFI.

How come it doesn't stop me booting linux on my UEFI bios machine then?
You should stop commenting on windows unless you actually buy it as all
you say is wrong, and you get miffed when you are told so!

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Martin
Barclay wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 04:29:58 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/12/16 01:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:02:30 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

Telling me I've been plonked but removing why is absolutely pointless.
Childish remark.
Why is this group considerably less intelligent than all the others?

Because it contains you?

He's obviously a troll with little intelligence. It appears everything has
to be spelled out for him. Not worth bothering with IMO.

He was quoting from an Elvis website. That's enough evidence right
there.


You know why this group has so many trolls? Because there are so many
willing puppets.

plonk

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 15/12/16 11:20, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 04:29:58 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/12/16 01:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:02:30 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:35:07 +0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

snip

You're just a trolling idiot.

plonk

Telling me I've been plonked but removing why is absolutely pointless.
Childish remark.
Why is this group considerably less intelligent than all the others?

Because it contains you?

He's obviously a troll with little intelligence. It appears everything has
to be spelled out for him. Not worth bothering with IMO.

well I'm on holiday with a lappie. and I forgot to port the killfile over.

On 15/12/16 11:41, dennis@home wrote:
On 15/12/2016 02:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/12/16 01:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:21:47 -0000, Martin Barclay
wrote:

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/

It's called big business. Nothing to stop you formatting the PC, or
buying the parts yourself.

Except a boot system that needs proprietary microsoft code to boot.

Its called UEFI.

How come it doesn't stop me booting linux on my UEFI bios machine then?

Possibly because its Unbunti, who paid for a key, or its a UEFI that can
be told to ignore MS security.

I would have expected you to know the answer, or did someone else
install it for you?

Its a bot more than simply putting a mop in a bucket or ripping knickers
off underage kids


You should stop commenting on windows unless you actually buy it as all
you say is wrong, and you get miffed when you are told so!

I did buy it.Windows 10. I used to to reconfigure the UEFI BIOS so I
could just about install Linux, and thats the only time I've booted it.

Total waste of miney.

In article . com,
lid writes
On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:57:15 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:10:46 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:43, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:21:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:43:04 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 14:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I find it absurd people get upset about being given something
free.

Tell that to your boyfriend when its the crabs..

An UPGRADE to IMPROVE your OS is not the same as crabs.

If its Mcrosoft, it is.

Funny how it's the most popular.

Crabs are very common, too.

But we choose our OS.

You don't.
It comes with the computer you bought.

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control, threatened
& cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on their
computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs, on the
pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.



Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.
A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.
At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

Oh yes they did. It was a condition of being licensed to install DOS.
--
bert

In article , Martin
Barclay writes
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did.

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft €˜killed Dell Linux €“ States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 €“ IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

MS paid $50k to buy €˜Compaq of Europe out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/
It was going on long before 2004.
--
bert

In article . com,
lid writes
On 14/12/2016 23:21, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:12:15 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 14/12/2016 14:40, Martin Barclay wrote:

And that is because MS, when Gates & Ballmer were in control,
threatened & cajoled OEMs to install MS Windows & /only/ MS Windows on
their computers. They even tried to stop OEMs selling "bare bones" PCs,
on the pretext that "pirated versions of Windows" could be installed.
It's all documented online, as Google search would show.

Its also rubbish.
M$ had discounts available for manufacturers that licensed all their
machines they did for windows.

And once again "dennis" shows his ignorance about what MS actually did.

And how big were these discounts?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/14653.stm

Microsoft €˜killed Dell Linux €“ States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03..._linux_states/

Cut a deal or you don't get Win95 €“ IBM faces PC suicide
In the months before the launch, MS cut off the air supply
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...a_deal_or_you/

Hmm a 2002 artical about a trial in 1998 and M$ forcing dell to pull
linux in 2001.

Hmm, why are the dates so strange, could it be bull?

MS paid $50k to buy €˜Compaq of Europe out of DR-DOS deal
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/05...id_50k_to_buy/

A bit like apple licenses its OS on all the machines it makes.

Not like it at all. Apple makes the machine and the O/S for it too.

At no point did they try and force anyone to stop selling bare bones.

If the discounts were large then it amounts to the same thing.

So, "dennis" is saying that the BBC were wrong when they reported it?

Try reading an unbiased report rather than the register which is never
unbiased in case you haven't noticed.

2004 -
Microsoft gets green light to punish OS-less PC vendors.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01...s_green_light/


A judge looked at the terms IBM were claiming forced them to ship
windows and decided that they didn't.
It was up to IBM to decide how much they wanted as a discount and
decided they didn't want to agree to the terms that got them the bigger
discounts.
What exactly is forcing them about that?
They still tried to sell OS2 and not windows and it had nothing to do
with linux or bare machines.



Friend of mine was a PC dealer in the 80s. He was afraid to install GEM
alongside DOS as he would lose his M$ license. I have no reason to
believe he was lying.
--
bert

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 02:30:33 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/16 23:36, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 17:50, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:57:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 14/12/16 00:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:14:13 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 20:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:22:08 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 13/12/16 00:59, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 21:51, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:39:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/12/16 02:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 00:07:56 -0000, Fredxxx

wrote:


Is this a royal statement? I'm not on 10.

That's because you're a ****ing useless luddite. Why would
you
not
take
a FREE upgrade to a better OS?

Who told you it was better? Microsft?

Bless!

No, I find it easier to use.

Well thats true. it is designed for simpletons.

No one with intelligence uses it.

The advertisements for it make that abundantly clear

No, you're referring to MacOS.

No, that's for stupid rich people.

MacOS is free.

No, it isn't. You need to spend at least £400 on a computer to get
it.

****.

Funny, I've built quite a few PCs running it, Apple got no money
from me
whatsoever.

Ah. So you are a criminal as well?

About as much as people who download mp3s, yes. I think you'll find
most people ignore copyright.

well most people dont actually.

Only criminal scum like you

Actually it's only a civil offence. To be a criminal you have to break
a criminal law.

Theft is a criminal offence.

It's not theft. You have to be tried in a CIVIL court for copyright. ****'s sake, you're ignorant.

--
What's the fastest thing in Wales?
A virgin sheep.