"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:
snip IMM's logical reasoned argument

You're totally insane.

No!!! You can't say that about our IMM! He's the very definition of
sensible debate on uk.d-i-y.

Thank you. At times I feel as if all he world has no logic, no foresight,
no vision, no nothing. It is easy to get that impression from this ng.


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"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:38:38 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named
"IMM" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the re-erect the
walls.

I'm thinking maybe it's time I took Mr Man-Of-Mystery out of my kill
file. Missives like the above and http://tinyurl.com/2y489 make life
worth living.

Thank you.


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Simon Hawthorne wrote

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:05:13 -0000, "Peter Taylor"
wrote:

If it's of any interest, my house has even shallower footings than your barn,
but as they're on solid chalk they are perfectly adequate.

Thanks Peter - once the guy doing the drawings has finished I'll have
a meeting with the structural engineer - decide on the best way
forward....

Thanks Simon. Could you tell us what you are planning for the barn. Will it be
for residential use or something else? A lot depends on this as to what advice
to give you.

Peter

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:28:47 -0000, "Peter Taylor"
wrote:

Thanks Simon. Could you tell us what you are planning for the barn. Will it be
for residential use or something else? A lot depends on this as to what advice
to give you.

Peter


Peter
The downstairs will be residential - it is attached to the house
anyway - and I intend to use the four sections as part of the house
(garage/games room/store room/workshop). The upstairs I would like to
let to a small business - maybe 3 people - office based - not retail.
Spoke with my neighbours today - the one closest was happy - the one
the other side said he would object to it being used as a commercial
venture. I suppose my thoughts are that a barn is commercial anyway -
I'd have to change the use for it to become residential.......!
Either way - I intend to keep my neighbours as happy as possible - and
I think I would get permission to convert the first floor to an office
and let it - but I would have to impose some fairly strict rules, so
to speak.
Si


http://www.thehawthornes.org

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:45:31 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:28:28 +0000, a particular chimpanzee named
Grunff randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

IMM wrote:
snip IMM's logical reasoned argument

You're totally insane.

No!!! You can't say that about our IMM! He's the very definition of
sensible debate on uk.d-i-y.

Thank you. At times I feel as if all he world has no logic, no foresight,
no vision, no nothing. It is easy to get that impression from this ng.

I suppose it must seem like that. It must look all very blue in
colour as well......


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In article , Andy Hall
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:14:53 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"bystander" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones.

hahahahahahahah, that's brilliant, a classic

This either that stupid David or Andy.

Sorry to disappoint. I only ever post with my real name.

Same here, I varied the posting address to delay the junk mail but I've
always been me, not something you can say though is it John?

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In article , Andy Hall
writes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:14:53 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"bystander" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones.

hahahahahahahah, that's brilliant, a classic

This either that stupid David or Andy.

Sorry to disappoint. I only ever post with my real name.

Same here, I varied the posting address to delay the junk mail but I've
always been me, not something you can say though is it John?

David, who is one of our resident part time brain surgeons who flits in
occasionally, you have stop acting silly.


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In uk.d-i-y, Hugo Nebula wrote:

I'm thinking maybe it's time I took Mr Man-Of-Mystery out of my kill
file. Missives like the above and http://tinyurl.com/2y489 make life
worth living.

Nah. I find it's easier to leech off the efforts of the few of you who
don't do that - if there's anything pointful (rare) or notably outrageous
(less rare) the relevant juicy bits get quoted and spread to the
enlightenment/entertainment of The Rest Of Us.

Stefek

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:26:10 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



If he wants exactly the same exterior appearance yes. If not then put them
anywhere. Duh!

Your original post (way up there ^) would have made a lot more sense
if you'd actually mentioned that. i.e. :
"If you want the barn to have the same external appearance then best
take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a nice
strong foundation slab . . . etc."

You seem to have assumed that's what the OP wanted without him
actually mentioning the fact.

Cheers,

John

"John Anderton" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:26:10 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



If he wants exactly the same exterior appearance yes. If not then put
them
anywhere. Duh!

Your original post (way up there ^) would have made a lot more sense
if you'd actually mentioned that. i.e. :
"If you want the barn to have the same external appearance then best
take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a nice
strong foundation slab . . . etc."

That is what I said, which IS the best approach.

You seem to have assumed that's what the OP wanted without him
actually mentioning the fact.

I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone barn.


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In uk.d-i-y, Hugo Nebula wrote:

I'm thinking maybe it's time I took Mr Man-Of-Mystery out of my kill
file. Missives like the above and http://tinyurl.com/2y489 make life
worth living.

Nah. I find it's easier to leech off the efforts of the few of you who
don't do that - if there's anything pointful (rare) or notably outrageous
(less rare) the relevant juicy bits get quoted and spread to the
enlightenment/entertainment of The Rest Of Us.

You will be enlightened all the time.


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"IMM" wrote in message
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I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

"bystander" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone
barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

David, Andy, stop being silly. How exciting of you to do such a thing.


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In article , IMM
writes

"bystander" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone
barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

David, Andy, stop being silly. How exciting of you to do such a thing.

John, do you know how to read headers? do you really think we would
bother to assume an identity to take the **** out of you? I certainly
wouldn't and I am making an assumption on Andy's part based on his
posting history. *You* on the other hand have had lots of identities but
unfortunately (for you) your posting style and stock phrases give you
away, I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.
--
David

David wrote:
I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

Care to share? I could dig for myself, but I really can't be bothered...

--
Grunff

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"David" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

"bystander" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone
barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints
those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

David, Andy, stop being silly. How exciting of you to do such a thing.

John, do you know how to read headers? do you really think we would
bother to assume an identity to take the **** out of you? I certainly
wouldn't and I am making an assumption on Andy's part based on his
posting history. *You* on the other hand have had lots of identities but
unfortunately (for you) your posting style and stock phrases give you
away, I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

David,

It is you. No stop being a silly and run along.


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"Grunff" wrote in message
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David wrote:
I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

Care to share? I could dig for myself, but I really can't be bothered...

This David one is three sheets to the wind.


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In article , IMM
writes


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"David" wrote in message
.. .
In article , IMM
writes

"bystander" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a stone
barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints
those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

David, Andy, stop being silly. How exciting of you to do such a thing.

John, do you know how to read headers? do you really think we would
bother to assume an identity to take the **** out of you? I certainly
wouldn't and I am making an assumption on Andy's part based on his
posting history. *You* on the other hand have had lots of identities but
unfortunately (for you) your posting style and stock phrases give you
away, I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

David,

It is you. No stop being a silly and run along.

Of course its me, it says so at the top, what are you on??
--
David

Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Do you have *any* idea how long this will
take/how much it will cost?



Cheaper and faster than underpinning an old barn that is for sure. SA
high
percentage of barns conversions are abandoned as the cost have escalated
because of foundation problems.


You're totally insane.

If it did need to be knocked down, no one *on earth* would number all
the stones and put them back in the same order. You clearly have no idea
whatsoever what this would involve.


Typical computer scientist. Its teh 'elegant perfect' solution...

For an infinite number of comp Sci grads with infinite resources...

Grunff wrote:

Jim Ley wrote:

A marker pen and an interest in jigsaws?


And the biggest mother "stone organiser", to store all your numbered
stones in a sensible order, and a team of carrier mules to retrieve the
stones for you in the correct order as you build ;-)


Its called a database Grunff. Works fine in software :-)

bystander wrote:

IMM, you're a natural, I've just used half a box of tissues ROFL
You should be on stage mate, preferably the first one outta town




No, I am the Natural.

He had to work extremely hard to get that stupid.

I was just born clever.
:-)

IMM wrote:

At times I feel as if all he world has no logic, no foresight,
no vision, no nothing.


Stop looking in the mirror then. Its bad for your mental health.


I

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
bystander wrote:

IMM, you're a natural, I've just used half a box of tissues ROFL
You should be on stage mate, preferably the first one outta town




No, I am the Natural.

He had to work extremely hard to get that stupid.

I was just born clever.
:-)

LOL, such fun.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
IMM wrote:

At times I feel as if all he world has no logic, no foresight,
no vision, no nothing.


Stop looking in the mirror then. Its bad for your mental health.

More snotty uni humour LOL.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Do you have *any* idea how long this will
take/how much it will cost?



Cheaper and faster than underpinning an old barn that is for sure. SA
high
percentage of barns conversions are abandoned as the cost have
escalated
because of foundation problems.


You're totally insane.

If it did need to be knocked down, no one *on earth* would number all
the stones and put them back in the same order. You clearly have no idea
whatsoever what this would involve.


Typical computer scientist. Its teh 'elegant perfect' solution...

For an infinite number of comp Sci grads with infinite resources...

Hey snot. What are you on about?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called a database Grunff. Works fine in software :-)

A database for storing real world objects - I'd *love* one of those. You
can just see it - "delete * from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'".

--
Grunff

Grunff wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called a database Grunff. Works fine in software :-)


A database for storing real world objects - I'd *love* one of those. You
can just see it - "delete * from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'".

D'oh!

Or even "delete from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'"

--
Grunff

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:09:37 +0000, Grunff wrote:

Grunff wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called a database Grunff. Works fine in software :-)


A database for storing real world objects - I'd *love* one of those. You
can just see it - "delete * from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'".

D'oh!

Or even "delete from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'"

or "update drillbits set sharpness='razor' where sharpness='blunt';"

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:30:40 +0000, Simon Hawthorne wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:28:47 -0000, "Peter Taylor"
wrote:

Thanks Simon. Could you tell us what you are planning for the barn. Will it be
for residential use or something else? A lot depends on this as to what advice
to give you.

Peter


Peter
The downstairs will be residential - it is attached to the house
anyway - and I intend to use the four sections as part of the house
(garage/games room/store room/workshop). The upstairs I would like to
let to a small business - maybe 3 people - office based - not retail.
Spoke with my neighbours today - the one closest was happy - the one
the other side said he would object to it being used as a commercial
venture. I suppose my thoughts are that a barn is commercial anyway -
I'd have to change the use for it to become residential.......!
Either way - I intend to keep my neighbours as happy as possible - and
I think I would get permission to convert the first floor to an office
and let it - but I would have to impose some fairly strict rules, so
to speak.
Si

Conversion to residential can be reduce rated (5%) for VAT if that affects
your thoughts. Not sure about part conversion. See
http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/708.htm

wrote in message
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In article , IMM
writes


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"David" wrote in message
.. .
In article , IMM

writes

"bystander" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
I did not know he had a brick barn. I did not assume he had a
stone
barn.

O right, so numbered demolition works for both?
I think you need help IMM. Boatloads of it.
Are you one of these guys who drills holes in veroboard? Or paints
those
pretty coloured bands on resistors?
Did you work at Bletchley Park?

David, Andy, stop being silly. How exciting of you to do such a
thing.

John, do you know how to read headers? do you really think we would
bother to assume an identity to take the **** out of you? I certainly
wouldn't and I am making an assumption on Andy's part based on his
posting history. *You* on the other hand have had lots of identities
but
unfortunately (for you) your posting style and stock phrases give you
away, I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

David,

It is you. No stop being a silly and run along.

Of course its me, it says so at the top, what are you on??

Now go an play. Run along.

"John Armstrong" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:09:37 +0000, Grunff wrote:

Grunff wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called a database Grunff. Works fine in software :-)


A database for storing real world objects - I'd *love* one of those.
You
can just see it - "delete * from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'".

D'oh!

Or even "delete from drillbits where sharpness='blunt'"

or "update drillbits set sharpness='razor' where sharpness='blunt';"

I'd prefer "INSERT INTO TOOLS(ToolName) SELECT Tools FROM Axminster;"
amongst others.

Cheers
Clive

"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:38:38 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named
"IMM" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the re-erect the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".

In article , IMM
writes

"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:38:38 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named
"IMM" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the re-erect the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".


Grasping at straws because you made a fool of yourself...
--
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wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:38:38 -0000, a particular chimpanzee named
"IMM" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a
nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the re-erect
the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new
build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".


Grasping at straws because you made a fool of yourself...

David, Just read and lean.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:07:47 +0000, David
wrote:


John, do you know how to read headers?

Bugger, are you saying I share a Christian name with IMM ?

Cheers,

John (the other one)

"John Anderton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:07:47 +0000, David
wrote:


John, do you know how to read headers?

Bugger, are you saying I share a Christian name with IMM ?

This halfwit is. But you don't.

In article , IMM
writes

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a
nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the re-erect
the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new
build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".


Grasping at straws because you made a fool of yourself...

David, Just read and lean.


Actually John I have learnt a number of things from you, OK some of it
is gleaned from websites etc but even so its been useful... but then you
go and spoil it all by saying something stupid
--
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In article , Grunff
writes
David wrote:
I particularly like it when you ask on another newsgroup a
question about a thread on here and then post the answer.

Care to share? I could dig for myself, but I really can't be bothered...

I couldn't do that to him, he does have feelings you know
--
David

wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a
nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the
re-erect
the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new
build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT
the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".


Grasping at straws because you made a fool of yourself...

David, Just read and lean.


Actually John I have learnt a number of things from you, OK some of it
is gleaned from websites etc but even so its been useful... but then you
go and spoil it all by saying something stupid
--
David

wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

Best take down all the walls if stone. Number the stones. build a
nice
strong foundation slab. Build a timber frame on it and the
re-erect
the
walls.

Also oh unwise one. When you take down the walls and then do a "new
build",
and then re-erect he walls, you get "all" the VAT back, which is NOT
the
case with a conversion. You make the job a "new build".

Grasping at straws because you made a fool of yourself...

David, Just read and lean.

Actually John I have learnt a number of things from you, OK some of it
is gleaned from websites etc but even so its been useful... but then you
go and spoil it all by saying something stupid

Bertie, you wouldn't know if anything is stupid or not.