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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
Hi all
I posted a couple of weeks ago about suitability of my existing boiler to power extra rads in a barn I am converting. Wonder if anyone could help with my next question.... I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? I cannot verify this by speaking with the old owner but can anyone point me in the right direction. I don't want to waste time planning the conversion only to find there IS a problem with the foundations... Thanks in advance (again)...! Regards, Simon http://www.thehawthornes.org |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:06:46 +0000, Simon Hawthorne
wrote: I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? The usual problem with barn foundations is simply that in many cases there are none. They were simply agricultural outbuildings thrown up on flatish) bits of ground. It was a barn after all and not built to last for decades. -- Peter Parry. http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/ |
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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
Peter Parry wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:06:46 +0000, Simon Hawthorne wrote: I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? The usual problem with barn foundations is simply that in many cases there are none. They were simply agricultural outbuildings thrown up on flatish) bits of ground. It was a barn after all and not built to last for decades. That mens you need to ujnderpin, or demolish, put in good, and re-rerect. Neither is impossible, neither is cheap... |
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Peter Parry wrote
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:06:46 +0000, Simon Hawthorne wrote: I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? The usual problem with barn foundations is simply that in many cases there are none. They were simply agricultural outbuildings thrown up on flatish) bits of ground. It was a barn after all and not built to last for decades. Yes, but this wouldn't in itself cause a problem in obtaining Planning Permission. The only reason I can think of why the foundations (or lack of) might be a factor regarding Planning Permission is if it's an archeologically sensitive site. Otherwise, possibly the OP means Building Regulations approval, not Planning Permission. Either way, a trip to the local Planning Office to ask them all about it is probably the best advice. Peter |
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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
Peter Taylor wrote:
Peter Parry wrote On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:06:46 +0000, Simon Hawthorne wrote: I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? The usual problem with barn foundations is simply that in many cases there are none. They were simply agricultural outbuildings thrown up on flatish) bits of ground. It was a barn after all and not built to last for decades. Yes, but this wouldn't in itself cause a problem in obtaining Planning Permission. The only reason I can think of why the foundations (or lack of) might be a factor regarding Planning Permission is if it's an archeologically sensitive site. Otherwise, possibly the OP means Building Regulations approval, not Planning Permission. Quite right. This is a building control issue. However the original builder may have decide to apply for 'demoilish and re-erect om the bronds that it was too expensive to underpin, and been rejected. Under these circumstances a long chat with the planners and BCO's is well worth while. Although they like you to go the route of you propose. we reject' with a bit of outrght brown-nosing they can be persuaded into 'well what *would* you allow then?' Either way, a trip to the local Planning Office to ask them all about it is probably the best advice. Seconded outright. They LIKE to be apprecaietd and grovelled to, and judging by the excresence up the road, bribed... Peter |
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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
"Simon Hawthorne" wrote in message
... I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? I cannot verify this by speaking with the old owner but can anyone point me in the right direction. Local council. If plan were really submitted, they will let you have a look (and I'd have expected it to be mentioned when you were buying the house). Although PP may not be bothered about foundations I don't want to waste time planning the conversion only to find there IS a problem with the foundations... Or, dig down a foot or two and see what you find. http://www.thehawthornes.org Looks at new pictures of single-skin brick two-storey barn with weak walls, tie-bars etc. I don't think anyone would bother just underpinning those walls - although the gable end above the 'workshop' looked OK. |
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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:15:36 -0000, "Nick Finnigan"
wrote: Local council. If plan were really submitted, they will let you have a look (and I'd have expected it to be mentioned when you were buying the house). Ok, thanks again guys. I have asked a structural engineer to come round and have a look at it - he gave the house & barn the once over before I bought it. He is also checking out with the local planning office tomorrow so should get some answers.... Regards, Simon http://www.thehawthornes.org |
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Simon Hawthorne wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:15:36 -0000, "Nick Finnigan" wrote: Local council. If plan were really submitted, they will let you have a look (and I'd have expected it to be mentioned when you were buying the house). Ok, thanks again guys. I have asked a structural engineer to come round and have a look at it - he gave the house & barn the once over before I bought it. He is also checking out with the local planning office tomorrow so should get some answers.... Excellent. keep us posted. I am intensely interested... Regards, Simon http://www.thehawthornes.org |
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Barn conversion - questions about foundations
My old house has no foundations, they simply scraped off the loos soil and started building. The house has been there 200 years, so it must work.
However the attached barn has no roof, so along comes building regs takes one look at the foundations and tells me the walls won't hold up a feather not alone a roof. Options Underpin plant in steel pillars to hold roof rebuild I am choosing rebuild, in block clad with orignal stone. This also resolves issues with insulation values, and water from the soil that in places is 6 foot up the walls. I spent AGES finding an architect that had many similar projects under his belt, and was not an arty-farty spend 4 times more money than I had type. Once I found this guy he made the whole problem seem much simpler ......... Rick On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:06:46 +0000, Simon Hawthorne wrote: Hi all I posted a couple of weeks ago about suitability of my existing boiler to power extra rads in a barn I am converting. Wonder if anyone could help with my next question.... I am told my a neighbour that the guy who owned the house before me tried to get planning permission to convert the barn into a 'care home' - but there was a problem with the foundations? I cannot verify this by speaking with the old owner but can anyone point me in the right direction. I don't want to waste time planning the conversion only to find there IS a problem with the foundations... Thanks in advance (again)...! Regards, Simon http://www.thehawthornes.org |
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