I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!

Bill

On 15/10/16 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring


Thank you!

Bill

Having been a resident of York (OK ****ed student) I most certainly have
signed it!

Can you give us some background? Comments suggest new Dean is a ****er

Bill Wright wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!"

Alternatively keep them silent ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-noise-pollution-from-church-bells

On 15/10/2016 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!

Bill

I have just signed too.

Jim

On Saturday, 15 October 2016 04:16:37 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!

Bill

Signed!

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 15/10/16 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

Having been a resident of York (OK ****ed student) I most certainly
have signed it!

+1

--
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On 15/10/2016 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring


Thank you!


Having lived in another cathedral city, and very much within earshot of
the bells, I would not want them stopped, but some days they went on and
on and on... Extremely tedious and annoying after an hour or more.

Wouldn't be so bad if they rang out a tune of some sort...

--
Rod

In message , polygonum
writes




Having lived in another cathedral city, and very much within earshot of
the bells, I would not want them stopped, but some days they went on
and on and on... Extremely tedious and annoying after an hour or more.

Wouldn't be so bad if they rang out a tune of some sort...

I don't mind peals of bells, but I've rarely been able to discern any
sort of tune. It wouldn't be too had if they put out a nice, steady
rhythm - but the clangs are usually all jerky.
--
Ian

On 15/10/2016 09:48, Graeme wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 15/10/16 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

Having been a resident of York (OK ****ed student) I most certainly
have signed it!

+1

+ another

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F

On 15/10/2016 10:26, Ian Jackson wrote:

I don't mind peals of bells, but I've rarely been able to discern any
sort of tune. It wouldn't be too had if they put out a nice, steady
rhythm - but the clangs are usually all jerky.

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

My observation is that either ALL bell ringers are failed musicians who
cannot hold a tune, the bells are only 'played' to drive off the devil
or they should not be considered as a musical instruments - or a
combination of all three. Its much the same with bagpipes. Considered by
the Scots as a weapon of war but some fool thought they could get a
pleasant tune from them.



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The daft part for me is that while any new ways of working are being sorted
out, I see no harm at all to allowing the current people to carry on
ringing. Its just some stupid person jobsworth type again.
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to ring!"
and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!

Bill

alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

I that doesn't get you, R4 joins the World Service which remains a
spoken service which is fine for dropping off to ... until some schools
"music and movement" programme wakes you up at about 3am.

On 15 Oct 2016 08:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!"

Alternatively keep them silent ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-noise-pollution-from-church-bells

Indeed yes.

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On 15/10/16 10:47, alan_m wrote:
On 15/10/2016 10:26, Ian Jackson wrote:

I don't mind peals of bells, but I've rarely been able to discern any
sort of tune. It wouldn't be too had if they put out a nice, steady
rhythm - but the clangs are usually all jerky.

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

My observation is that either ALL bell ringers are failed musicians who
cannot hold a tune, the bells are only 'played' to drive off the devil
or they should not be considered as a musical instruments

Of course church bells - rung the English way as changes - are not a
musical instrument.

If you stopped being upset that they are not, you might get a shade more
interest out of listening.

You will be a lot more sorry if this country ever goes fully Islam.

http://www.thatsfake.com/birmingham-...5-times-a-day/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3jNZvlOLsA

Not even communist Soviet union abused public address systems as badly.

- or a
combination of all three. Its much the same with bagpipes. Considered by
the Scots as a weapon of war but some fool thought they could get a
pleasant tune from them.





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a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

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On 15/10/16 11:12, Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

I that doesn't get you, R4 joins the World Service which remains a
spoken service which is fine for dropping off to ... until some schools
"music and movement" programme wakes you up at about 3am.

Worse is to leave the TV on low and be woken at 4 a.m. by extremely loud
adverts fir nutri********, slimming and fitness equipment and - well
there was something else - oh yeah. Pop songs of the 50s and 60s, the
complete catalogue.

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let them."

In article ,
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

Bells on Sunday are recorded by members of the public and sent in to the
BBC. And as the name suggests, the only time they are played at night is
on Sunday. But it's the bum note on Sailing By which stops me dropping
off. ;-)

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Thank you!

Thank you!

Signed

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

Bells on Sunday are recorded by members of the public and sent in to the
BBC. And as the name suggests, the only time they are played at night is
on Sunday. But it's the bum note on Sailing By which stops me dropping
off. ;-)

I wasn't aware of the bum note. However, the pitch of Sailing By does
seem to fluctuate (wow) - like an old tape recording where either the
tape or the drive belt (or both) has stretched. The theme tune to Doctor
Zhivago was rather similar.
--
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On 15/10/2016 12:46, Ian Jackson wrote:

I wasn't aware of the bum note.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01hvk0x


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On 15/10/16 13:17, Robin wrote:
On 15/10/2016 12:46, Ian Jackson wrote:

I wasn't aware of the bum note.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01hvk0x


First time I've ever heard the bass on that!


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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...-minster-bell-
ringers-to-ring

I heard about this. There is clearly some heavy politics behind this -
I'd love to know the inside story.



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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...-minster-bell-
ringers-to-ring

I heard about this. There is clearly some heavy politics behind this -
I'd love to know the inside story.


My wife. on hearing the story, said " The Dean must be a woman - they don't
know how to manage".

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In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various
UK churches and they are often played late at night just as one is
dropping off to sleep.

Bells on Sunday are recorded by members of the public and sent in to
the BBC. And as the name suggests, the only time they are played at
night is on Sunday. But it's the bum note on Sailing By which stops me
dropping off. ;-)

I wasn't aware of the bum note. However, the pitch of Sailing By does
seem to fluctuate (wow) - like an old tape recording where either the
tape or the drive belt (or both) has stretched. The theme tune to Doctor
Zhivago was rather similar.

You do need a radio you can hear the bass on. Maybe not with some bedroom
radios. About 2/3rds in, the bass plays a bum note - then nothing for a
couple of bars before starting again.

IIRC the story, the piece was recorded in one take when there was some
time left at the end of a recording session. So says quite a bit for pro
musicians that it sounds as good as it does, if that was the first they
saw of it.

No wow here. I've got the original on a mood music CD somewhere - and it's
a very decent recording. But I've no idea how the individual announcers
played it in over the years, especially the 'back timed' versions. It's
quite possible they used carts at one time, and they could certainly wow.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Bugger that. We do change ringing in this country, much better. I've
heard continental bells trying to do a tune, rather hard with only
(say) six notes. It just sounds stupid.

And if you don't like village church bells, don't move to a village.

Church about a mile away was popular for funerals. And on some, they
tolled a 'bell'. But sadly, via a speaker, wound up to severe distortion
point. Rather like those calls to prayer you hear in some countries.

Not heard it recently, so hopefully the speaker got buried too.

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On 15/10/2016 13:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

IIRC the story, the piece was recorded in one take when there was some
time left at the end of a recording session. So says quite a bit for pro
musicians that it sounds as good as it does, if that was the first they
saw of it.


There is another story - that it was a deliberate mistake on _that_
recording leaving another, perfectly accurate, recording to be broadcast
to tell the subs to prepare for war without the Red team noticing any
special comms


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If any reader thinks bell ringing in the UK is not an art then they
should try the awful row that they call bell ringing in France.
Suicidal feelings ain't the word for it!



--
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harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 15/10/2016 13:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

IIRC the story, the piece was recorded in one take when there was some
time left at the end of a recording session. So says quite a bit for pro
musicians that it sounds as good as it does, if that was the first they
saw of it.


There is another story - that it was a deliberate mistake on _that_
recording leaving another, perfectly accurate, recording to be broadcast
to tell the subs to prepare for war without the Red team noticing any
special comms

You've been watching too much Trump. ;-)

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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , polygonum
wrote:

On 15/10/2016 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

Having lived in another cathedral city, and very much within earshot of the bells,
I would not want them stopped, but some days they went on and on and on...
Extremely tedious and annoying after an hour or more.

Wouldn't be so bad if they rang out a tune of some sort...

Bugger that. We do change ringing in this country, much better. I've
heard continental bells trying to do a tune, rather hard with only
(say) six notes. It just sounds stupid.

And if you don't like village church bells, don't move to a village.

So, another one who thinks anyone who doesn't like church bells shouldn't live
within about half a mile of any church.

That's really quite difficult in the UK.

But ain't that just typical of the absolute arrogance of the bellringing fraternity?
No hint of appreciating that some people don't like them. No understanding that
they are a bloody nuisance. And no understanding that they are in fact breaking the
law.

They are louts of the aural world, just as I would be if I played gangsta rap at the
same volume and for the same duration.

All that matters to them is what they want to do.

In article ,
Norman Wells wrote:
So, another one who thinks anyone who doesn't like church bells
shouldn't live within about half a mile of any church.

That's really quite difficult in the UK.

But ain't that just typical of the absolute arrogance of the bellringing
fraternity? No hint of appreciating that some people don't like them.
No understanding that they are a bloody nuisance. And no understanding
that they are in fact breaking the law.

Very difficult to find anywhere in the UK without considerable background
noise during the day. Traffic. Planes. Kids playing. Even nature in one
form or another.

Just how often does this bell ringing take place that you find it
offensive?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
Norman Wells wrote:
So, another one who thinks anyone who doesn't like church bells
shouldn't live within about half a mile of any church.

That's really quite difficult in the UK.

But ain't that just typical of the absolute arrogance of the bellringing
fraternity? No hint of appreciating that some people don't like them.
No understanding that they are a bloody nuisance. And no understanding
that they are in fact breaking the law.

Very difficult to find anywhere in the UK without considerable background
noise during the day. Traffic. Planes. Kids playing. Even nature in one
form or another.

Just how often does this bell ringing take place that you find it
offensive?

He's busy looking for Esmeralda and will get back to you ASAP.

On 15/10/16 16:22, Norman Wells wrote the uisual load of bolloo9cks cf:

So, another one who thinks anyone who doesn't like church bells
shouldn't live within about half a mile of any church.

Any church with bells, that actually rings them

I live within half a mile of three churches, No bells.


That's really quite difficult in the UK.

No, its actually harder tro live away from a mosqiue than a church with
bells.

But ain't that just typical of the absolute arrogance of the bellringing
fraternity? No hint of appreciating that some people don't like them.
No understanding that they are a bloody nuisance. And no understanding
that they are in fact breaking the law.

They are louts of the aural world, just as I would be if I played
gangsta rap at the same volume and for the same duration.


Wait till the country is under sharia law.

All that matters to them is what they want to do.

AS it is to you, it seems.


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On 15/10/2016 13:32, charles wrote:

My wife. on hearing the story, said " The Dean must be a woman - they don't
know how to manage".


It just goes to prove that the church were correct in attempting to
exclude women from positions of power with their organisation

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!



I'm curious to have an appreciation as to why you think this is
important. It is a genuine question and I assume you are not a York
bellringer, though you may be of course in which case you'd have a
vested interested.


--
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In message , Zephirum
writes:
On 15 Oct 2016 08:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!"

Alternatively keep them silent ...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-noise-pollution-from-church-bells

Indeed yes.

As is often the case, the Pythons had it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBlRB1HH2g
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On 15/10/16 16:22, Norman Wells wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , polygonum
wrote:

On 15/10/2016 04:16, Bill Wright wrote:
I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding.
You
can read more and sign the petition he

Having lived in another cathedral city, and very much within earshot
of the bells, I would not want them stopped, but some days they went
on and on and on... Extremely tedious and annoying after an hour or
more.

Wouldn't be so bad if they rang out a tune of some sort...

Bugger that. We do change ringing in this country, much better. I've
heard continental bells trying to do a tune, rather hard with only
(say) six notes. It just sounds stupid.

And if you don't like village church bells, don't move to a village.

So, another one who thinks anyone who doesn't like church bells
shouldn't live within about half a mile of any church.

That's really quite difficult in the UK.

But ain't that just typical of the absolute arrogance of the bellringing
fraternity? No hint of appreciating that some people don't like them.
No understanding that they are a bloody nuisance. And no understanding
that they are in fact breaking the law.

They are louts of the aural world, just as I would be if I played
gangsta rap at the same volume and for the same duration.

All that matters to them is what they want to do.


********. I like bells.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

I that doesn't get you, R4 joins the World Service which remains a spoken
service which is fine for dropping off to ... until some schools "music
and movement" programme wakes you up at about 3am.

It shouldn’t be hard to organise a decent system that
turns the radio off when you are asleep. Fades it down
over a few minutes so that doesn’t wake you up.

On 15/10/2016 17:59, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!



I'm curious to have an appreciation as to why you think this is
important. It is a genuine question and I assume you are not a York
bellringer, though you may be of course in which case you'd have a
vested interested.



The same reason as I think BBC left wing bias is interesting.

Bill

On 15/10/2016 23:54, Rod Speed wrote:


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is dropping
off to sleep.

I that doesn't get you, R4 joins the World Service which remains a
spoken service which is fine for dropping off to ... until some
schools "music and movement" programme wakes you up at about 3am.

It shouldn’t be hard to organise a decent system that
turns the radio off when you are asleep. Fades it down
over a few minutes so that doesn’t wake you up.

I find all this rather odd. When I go to bed I turn the lights off and
silence anything that is making an interesting noise. I don't want any
interesting sounds because they would distract me from my great
pleasure, which is allowing my imagination to roam freely. Uninteresting
noise doesn't matter. I'm lucky in that I can immerse myself in any
scenario that I fancy with good control, once my eyes are closed. My dad
had this ability and could also close his eyes and describe what he saw.
For instance he could give a detailed commentary on everything seen from
a bicycle on a ride from Bentley to Idle Stop in the 1930s. When he was
alive he had vivid dreams, as do I. I once went into his room and he was
talking in his sleep. He was conducting a public meeting in Ireland
about a forthcoming agricultural show. When I appeared he introduced me
to the committee and I was obliged to join in. It was an odd experience.
I do miss him so much.

Bill

On Saturday, 15 October 2016 17:59:57 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!



I'm curious to have an appreciation as to why you think this is
important. It is a genuine question and I assume you are not a York
bellringer, though you may be of course in which case you'd have a
vested interested.


--
AnthonyL

There is a general trend to attack all our traditions.
It's part of the lefty attempt to create a world socialist state.
As is the EUSSR

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:38:05 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Saturday, 15 October 2016 17:59:57 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 04:16:34 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

I just signed the petition "Allow the York Minster bell ringers to
ring!" and wonder if you could add your name too.

The more support we can get the better chance we have of succeeding. You
can read more and sign the petition he

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petition...ingers-to-ring

Thank you!



I'm curious to have an appreciation as to why you think this is
important. It is a genuine question and I assume you are not a York
bellringer, though you may be of course in which case you'd have a
vested interested.


--
AnthonyL

There is a general trend to attack all our traditions.
It's part of the lefty attempt to create a world socialist state.
As is the EUSSR

Well Bill is clearly in support and we've had views from some on why
they hate the bells being rung and I was curious as to what Bill liked
about it. Disappointingly his response in another post is unhelpful
but I guess some folk simply enjoy the English traditions that give
this country its identity which others would see sterilized.

--
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