Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim

On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.

It isn't for most of the voters.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:48:05 -0700, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.

I didn't see that written in large letters on the Leave battle bus. It
was all about money.

Strange not to use that for the 'main issue'.
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On 13/06/2016 06:48, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.


That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

On 13/06/16 09:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 06:48, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.


That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.


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On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or a
Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

In article ,
harry wrote:

On Sunday, 12 June 2016 19:26:07 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/06/2016 10:34, tim... wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

Spot the contribution to the EU : https://is.gd/CfCBeM

Gross: it's 1% of GDP

Nett: about half that

what's your point?

tim




Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.

Your main issue changes, depending on which particular main issue is
having holes picked in it by the Remain camp.


Further "The main issue" depends on which particular Brexiteer you're
talking to. The Leave camp is made up of disparate, and potentially
antagonistic, troops of self-interested bigots. Should the Leave Camp
"win" (and you might), this will become instantly apparent, and we will
have chaos, if not anarchy. Then we'll get back to the Good Old Days of
18th century Britain, just like you all want.

J.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or a
Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Deciding for yourself what happens policy wise instead of
having that imposed by some failed politician in Brussels etc.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:20:07 +1000, Slomo wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Deciding for yourself what happens policy wise instead of having that
imposed by some failed politician in Brussels etc.

http://goo.gl/O9IEaO

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On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.


Really?
And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is just silly.
How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the UK
if we leave?

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:20:07 +1000, Slomo wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Deciding for yourself what happens policy wise instead of having that
imposed by some failed politician in Brussels etc.

http://goo.gl/O9IEaO

Just because some fool claims something....

EU commissioners aren't elected by anyone.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Another John
wrote:

Further "The main issue" depends on which particular Brexiteer you're
talking to. The Leave camp is made up of disparate, and potentially
antagonistic, troops of self-interested bigots.

**** off.

Off is sick of getting ****ed by those you order to do that. -

On 13/06/16 10:01, Another John wrote:
The Leave camp is made up of disparate, and potentially
antagonistic, troops of self-interested bigots.

Well there you go.

You have in that single sentence revealed yourself to be exactly what
you accuse others of.

Do you REALLY think any of the hundred plus EU funded organisations that
have come out in favour of the EU, are doing it out of the goodness of
their hearts or because it will benefit the nations plebs?

Government is bug business, there are profits to be made and pensions
and careers to be protected.



--
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too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 13/06/16 09:10, Adrian wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or a
Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?


Of course not. Not on the basis of nationality. But then I am not a EU
racist.



Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means having the legal power to set your own laws without reference
to a Higher Authority.

I.e. the Brussels cannot overrule any national decisions made by UK
parliament.


It's interesting that you have revealed yourself as both ignorant and a
racist.


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too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 13/06/16 11:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.


Really?
And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is just
silly.
How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?


No. they affect the USA.

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the UK
if we leave?

Well we could for example choose to totally ignore their 'climate change
legislation' if we so chose.

And build coal fired power stations. or subsidise nuclear power, if we
chose.

And scrap all subsidies on any new windmills and solar installations



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"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.


Really?
And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is just
silly.
How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the UK
if we leave?

The stupid **** that bans the state from subsidising infrastructure,
mandates the closing of coal fired power stations,. requires Britain to
allow any EU citizen that wants to move to Britain to do that, etc etc etc.

On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:10:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties out of office if we don't like what they do. It means we have some control over our lives.

Compare this with the typical European country model where no-one even takes laws seriously. For a long list of reasons. And that's their own country's laws.

When people outside of UK rule what happens here, generally they have little care or concern what the results are, or what we think of it. AND we will be wholly unable to remove them from office or repeal the laws. Only someone that doesn't understand the fundamentals of basic liberties would vote for such a stupid loss of freedoms.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.


NT

On Monday, 13 June 2016 12:05:40 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the UK
if we leave?

The stupid **** that bans the state from subsidising infrastructure,
mandates the closing of coal fired power stations,. requires Britain to
allow any EU citizen that wants to move to Britain to do that, etc etc etc.

Those are the issues showing up now. Give someone unstoppable power for decades and a long list of new issues will crop up. We have little idea what they will be. In the very short term they'll involve airheaded diktats re hoovers, kettles, toasters etc, so the future of such legislation is looking idiotic.


NT

On 13/06/2016 11:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.

Really?
And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is just
silly.
How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the
UK if we leave?

Very funny Den. As anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not
you, evidently) could tell, I was referring to laws made in this
country to do with matters affecting those *in* this country. US
immigration laws don't affect this country, they affect people who
might be trying to visit the US *from* this country. And the US will
make those laws without regard to us, as will the EU (well in fact they
already do).

And to your question, the answer is all of them.


So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

On 13/06/2016 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 11:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.

Really? And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the
UK is just silly. How about the USA immigration laws? do they
affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the
UK if we leave?

Very funny Den. As anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not
you, evidently) could tell, I was referring to laws made in this
country to do with matters affecting those *in* this country. US
immigration laws don't affect this country, they affect people who
might be trying to visit the US *from* this country. And the US will
make those laws without regard to us, as will the EU (well in fact they
already do).

And to your question, the answer is all of them.

So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

Why would we have to comply with EU car emission laws for cars owned by
UK citizens. For cars sold into the EU, we obviously would have to,
just as we would for cars sold anywhere else in the world. Like the US,
f'rinstance.

So you agree that we can't just ignore EU laws and that they will affect
us even if we leave.


This is all very simple, Den, and I don't know why you're having such
trouble with it.


Its extremely simple, just leaving the EU doesn't make us free to do
what we like as the leavers keep claiming.

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Its somewhat less than that, about 0.4% before refunds, etc.
Compare that to the interest on the national debt.

The main issue is about sovereignty.

I didn't see that written in large letters on the Leave battle bus. It
was all about money.

Strange not to use that for the 'main issue'.

According to the UKIP leaflet I have here, the most important issue is
that of democracy.

They want the UK style of democracy, not the EU one.

So were obviously very happy they only got 1 MP elected at the last UK
election.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It's a term invariably used by those who don't know what it means.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Slomo wrote:
Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Deciding for yourself what happens policy wise instead of
having that imposed by some failed politician in Brussels etc.

No one decides on policy for themselves. It is decided by the government
of the day. Often in direct contradiction to the manifesto they were
elected on. And most UK governments ain't elected by a simple majority
anyway.

So as usual, you're talking ********.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
wrote:

On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:10:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties out of office if we don't like
what they do.

Such as invading Iraq and using billions of taxpayers money to bail
out the banks, so as to keep paying bankers their million pound bonuses
you mean ?

So which particular, electable, political party was against either of those things ?

It means we have some control over our lives.

Such as choosing which of two Old Etonians will be our next Prime Minister you mean ?

Plus getting shot of all the Polish plumbers and builders while at the same time
renouncing the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, The European
Convention on Human Rights and going back on the Gold Standard.

I just can't wait !


michael adams

....

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.


Really? And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is
just silly. How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the UK
if we leave?

Just suppose we leave the EU and the EU makes a law banning the import of
all UK goods and services.

That won't be a UK law, therefore won't have any effect on the UK.

Or is there a tiny flaw in that?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/06/2016 13:36, Tim Streater wrote:

Everyone knows what is meant

Do you actually believe that to be true?

even if you don't.

What kippers say changes to suit the weather so its impossible for
anyone to be sure what they mean. They don't even know themselves.

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:10:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties out of office if we don't
like what they do. It means we have some control over our lives.

You don't vote for a political party in the UK. All you can do is vote for
the MP of your choice. A very different matter. It's not uncommon to have
an excellent MP who gets voted in again against the national trend.

Compare this with the typical European country model where no-one even
takes laws seriously. For a long list of reasons. And that's their own
country's laws.

Ever been to Germany? That is the largest EU country. Where they are far
more law abiding in general than the UK.

When people outside of UK rule what happens here, generally they have
little care or concern what the results are, or what we think of it. AND
we will be wholly unable to remove them from office or repeal the laws.
Only someone that doesn't understand the fundamentals of basic liberties
would vote for such a stupid loss of freedoms.

The typical EU against poor little England response. Despite UK MEPs
voting in favour of about 80% of EU stuff. And the even weirder notion
that each and every EU country has more in common with the others than the
UK. Which you'd know is total ******** if you'd ever set foot outside the
Daily Telegraph.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

That well known Englishman. Who presumably believed in the rights of all
to carry assault rifles into gay clubs.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 12:05:40 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect
the UK if we leave?

The stupid **** that bans the state from subsidising infrastructure,
mandates the closing of coal fired power stations,. requires Britain
to allow any EU citizen that wants to move to Britain to do that, etc
etc etc.

Those are the issues showing up now. Give someone unstoppable power for
decades and a long list of new issues will crop up. We have little idea
what they will be. In the very short term they'll involve airheaded
diktats re hoovers, kettles, toasters etc, so the future of such
legislation is looking idiotic.

You've got to the crux of the matter. Send our country into a lengthy
recession from which it may never recover so you can buy a faster toaster.

--
*Why is the word abbreviation so long? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

Why would we have to comply with EU car emission laws for cars owned by
UK citizens. For cars sold into the EU, we obviously would have to,
just as we would for cars sold anywhere else in the world. Like the US,
f'rinstance.

Tim doesn't seem to know much about history. The whole car emissions thing
started in California. Due to the odd climatic conditions they have there.
And quite quickly spread to much of the rest of the world. Those countries
which ignored it are rather regretting it now.

So you agree that we can't just ignore EU laws and that they will affect
us even if we leave.


This is all very simple, Den, and I don't know why you're having such
trouble with it.


Its extremely simple, just leaving the EU doesn't make us free to do
what we like as the leavers keep claiming.

Exactly so. If we wish to continue trading with the EU, we will have to
negotiate the new conditions. Only an optimistic fool would hope they'll
be better than the existing ones. All the available evidence says
otherwise.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/06/16 12:24, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 11:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The main issue is about sovereignty.

That may be the issue for you but not for everyone.
Anyway you don't mean sovereignty, you mean race.

No Denise, You mean race.

Only remainers talk about race.

Brexiteers talk about immigration numbers, about economics and about
sovereignty.

So you see no inherent difference whatsoever between, say, a German or
a Norwegian or an American moving to the UK compared to a Turk or a
Pakistani or a Lithuanian?

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.

Really?
And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the UK is just
silly.
How about the USA immigration laws? do they affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the
UK if we leave?

Very funny Den. As anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not
you, evidently) could tell, I was referring to laws made in this
country to do with matters affecting those *in* this country. US
immigration laws don't affect this country, they affect people who
might be trying to visit the US *from* this country. And the US will
make those laws without regard to us, as will the EU (well in fact they
already do).

And to your question, the answer is all of them.


So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

They will, but they will be made in this country.




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On 13/06/16 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 11:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.

Really? And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the
UK is just silly. How about the USA immigration laws? do they
affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the
UK if we leave?

Very funny Den. As anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not
you, evidently) could tell, I was referring to laws made in this
country to do with matters affecting those *in* this country. US
immigration laws don't affect this country, they affect people who
might be trying to visit the US *from* this country. And the US will
make those laws without regard to us, as will the EU (well in fact they
already do).

And to your question, the answer is all of them.

So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

Why would we have to comply with EU car emission laws for cars owned by
UK citizens. For cars sold into the EU, we obviously would have to,
just as we would for cars sold anywhere else in the world. Like the US,
f'rinstance.

This is all very simple, Den, and I don't know why you're having such
trouble with it.

Because he's a thick lefty****?


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 13/06/16 13:07, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 12:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 11:10, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 13/06/2016 09:16, Tim Streater wrote:

It means we get to set the numbers. It means that laws affect this
country are made in this country. Simples.

Really? And to think that laws in other countries don't affect the
UK is just silly. How about the USA immigration laws? do they
affect the UK?

Which particular laws made by the EU do you think will not affect the
UK if we leave?

Very funny Den. As anyone with two brain cells to rub together (not
you, evidently) could tell, I was referring to laws made in this
country to do with matters affecting those *in* this country. US
immigration laws don't affect this country, they affect people who
might be trying to visit the US *from* this country. And the US will
make those laws without regard to us, as will the EU (well in fact they
already do).

And to your question, the answer is all of them.

So for example car emissions laws won't have to be complied with?

Why would we have to comply with EU car emission laws for cars owned by
UK citizens. For cars sold into the EU, we obviously would have to,
just as we would for cars sold anywhere else in the world. Like the US,
f'rinstance.

So you agree that we can't just ignore EU laws and that they will affect
us even if we leave.


This is all very simple, Den, and I don't know why you're having such
trouble with it.


Its extremely simple, just leaving the EU doesn't make us free to do
what we like as the leavers keep claiming.

No, but it makes us a lot MORE free.

WE wont all sprout wings and fly to work just because we left the EU. WE
will still be subject to natural laws. Just a few less unnatural ones.

But you LIKE taking orders, dont you Denise?


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 13/06/16 13:45, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 13:36, Tim Streater wrote:

Everyone knows what is meant

Do you actually believe that to be true?

even if you don't.

What kippers say changes to suit the weather so its impossible for
anyone to be sure what they mean. They don't even know themselves.

More waffle and blather.

You are starting to sound like Cameron.


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 13/06/2016 14:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/06/16 13:45, dennis@home wrote:
On 13/06/2016 13:36, Tim Streater wrote:

Everyone knows what is meant

Do you actually believe that to be true?

even if you don't.

What kippers say changes to suit the weather so its impossible for
anyone to be sure what they mean. They don't even know themselves.

More waffle and blather.

You are starting to sound like Cameron.



Yes dear, are you a swede or a normal turnip?

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

Why would we have to comply with EU car emission laws for cars owned by
UK citizens.

I thought the idea behind EU car emission laws was to protect children and other
vulnerable people living in towns from having to breathe in too much **** whenever
they walk outside their front door.



michael adams

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On Monday, 13 June 2016 13:35:22 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:10:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties out of office if we don't like
what they do.

Such as invading Iraq and using billions of taxpayers money to bail
out the banks, so as to keep paying bankers their million pound bonuses
you mean ?

Do you have any clue how much worse it would be if we have no vote whatsoeevr over our lawmakers?


It means we have some control over our lives.

Such as choosing which of two Old Etonians will be our next Prime Minister you mean ?

As opposed to having someone in control thousands of miles away that has nothing but indifference & mild resentment against Britain, is making laws primarily for others' benefit, and frankly couldn't care less. And who we can never remove. If you can't work out which is better you should take your brain back for a refund.


Plus getting shot of all the Polish plumbers and builders while at the same time

I hope not. Out of the EU we actually have a choice on these things.


sillyboll snipped.


NT

On Monday, 13 June 2016 13:58:16 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:10:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:

Anyway, wtf does "sovereignty" actually _MEAN_?

Oh boy. It means we can vote political parties out of office if we don't
like what they do. It means we have some control over our lives.

You don't vote for a political party in the UK. All you can do is vote for
the MP of your choice. A very different matter.

not really


Compare this with the typical European country model where no-one even
takes laws seriously. For a long list of reasons. And that's their own
country's laws.

Ever been to Germany? That is the largest EU country. Where they are far
more law abiding in general than the UK.

Germany's weird. In Italy, Spain & Portugal laws are generally not taken too seriously.


When people outside of UK rule what happens here, generally they have
little care or concern what the results are, or what we think of it. AND
we will be wholly unable to remove them from office or repeal the laws.
Only someone that doesn't understand the fundamentals of basic liberties
would vote for such a stupid loss of freedoms.

The typical EU against poor little England response.

Hardly. Just a question of basic liberties & sovereignty.


Despite UK MEPs
voting in favour of about 80% of EU stuff.

So by your figures in the EU we'd have to swallow 20% of stuff we don't like. I'm not seeing how that would be an advantage.

And the even weirder notion
that each and every EU country has more in common with the others than the
UK. Which you'd know is total ******** if you'd ever set foot outside the
Daily Telegraph.

I've travelled enough to know the law is a different animal in many European countries.


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

That well known Englishman. Who presumably believed in the rights of all
to carry assault rifles into gay clubs.

You do talk nonsense.


NT