On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:03:52 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:42:19 +0100, "ARW"
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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:55:38 +0100, "ARW"
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But 'best', depends how much you like you meat and if you are
expecting everyone to out and kill it themselves?

I think that everyone should visit a slaughter house.

Unfortunately (for me and many others) I think you are right mate.

I don't think you should be able to buy meat from the shops unless you
show your 'Attendance certificate'. ;-(

I think the chances are I'd probably give up the little meat I eat now
days entirely before getting my certificate ...


Trust me. There are teens that do not know where potatoes come from (they
say "the supermarket" when asked)

No, I believe you and I think it's a sad state of affairs.

I was reminded just how bad things are getting when a elderly family
friend was talking about dumping all her husbands old tools because
'none of the children want them'. ;-(

Don't they know what freecycle is?

Or is it getting bad or is just things are changing away what most
here probably accepted as 'perfectly normal'?

Few want to be real (hands on / oily rag type) 'Engineers' these days,
preferring to sit in front of a screen programming stuff ... 'Software
Engineers'?

So, few service their own vehicles any more (even the bits they could
do),

I've tried, but I end up with oil all over myself and the drive. Either that or the bolt gets sheared off, or the spanner used to turn it comes loose and smacks me in the face, or my hand slips and I slice my finger on a rusty edge.

few fix their own household appliances (when in many cases they
could, if only they tried)

I worked with an American professor who actually bought a new microwave oven because the bulb had gone. I asked him why he didn't change it and he said it was dangerous to do so. When I said the microwaves are only present when it's switched on, he was surprised. He thought it was some kind of radiation from a sealed isotope.

and it seems few can even fit a plug top or
as you say, know where most of their food (or anything for that
matter) comes from. ;-(

They should never have had that stupid law about plugs being fitted when you buy things. What a waste. Why not reuse the old ones?

I think they should dump religious / media studies at school and feed
them continuous episodes of 'How it' made' and 'Food unwrapped'
instead. Actual programs that relate to the world they live in, not
just following (and worse aspiring) to some bogus / faux 'celebrity.

Indeed.


--
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It's called "The Songs Formerly Known As Hits."

On 14/04/16 20:38, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

On 14/04/16 18:11, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
those going "neigh" being used to cheaply bulk meat out, to people in
other countries eating Fido for dinner.

All pretty good eating.

Sure, but try telling darling Chardonnay that her little pony is going
to be dinner.

Well Little Miss Piggy got a roast up tonite.



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eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:54:08 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:39:25 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:54 +0100, "ARW"
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I was brought up with Labadors and Border terriers as pets.

What I call 'proper dogs'. Anything from the working / hound family
even including things like std poodles (along with Dalmatians aren't
breeds you see very often these days) work for me. ;-)

I would love to have a dog but it would be left on it's own all day and so I
cannot have one.

Is the right answer. Well, you could, as long as it was either old and
slept most the time or you had someone who could give it a good walk
midday.

We were both at work when we had three dogs but one (or both) of us
were generally close enough to be able to give them the best part of
an hours walk every lunchtime.

Doesn't a dog only need one good walk a day?

One *good* walk, ideally, yes (depending on breed / age / health etc).

He could do that after work or before work.

He could, however, it's the amount of time in between both human
contact and a chance to have a toilet break (most dogs only go
outside, typically in the owners back garden) more regularly than yer
typical 8+ hours away at work.

And this desire for contact is usually bi-directional.

Our family dogs, the whippet is known for their desire for human
companionship and were known to sleep on the foot of the children's
bed when they were more common, especially 'up Norf'.

Whilst they don't like water as much as say a Retriever, std Poodle or
Setter, they will happily get wet if it means being with their owner.

However, to see a whippet at it's best you have to see one (or more)
run and they are *the* fastest accelerating dog in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTTUPLrc5M

They are no fans of cats either. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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On 14/04/2016 11:57, whisky-dave wrote:

snip ..and has never craped in anyone elses garden wel not in the last
4 years anyway.

Did you watch it 24 hours/day ?.

More likely its never allowed out.

Cats crap everywhere.

None has ever crapped on my dinner plate.

Years ago they seemed to know how to dig a hole and cover it over
afterwards. These days, many of the cats around where I live just seem to
do a dump in the middle of a lawn, or on top of a nice border annual.

That's only those damned immigrant cats, stupid.

And I don't know what they put in cat food these days,

What those unspeakable immigrant cats like to eat, stupid.

because what comes out the other end pongs for ages.

Just as true of currys.

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

Well Little Miss Piggy got a roast up tonite.

You spit roasted her with Camoron?

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Mr Macaw wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:13:06 +0100, ARW
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On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 00:05:31 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
Cats don't dribble saliva everywhere they go, ....
and tend to have clean paws.
Really? You take them for a walk and they come back home with
magically
clean paws?

We trained the cat to wait in the kitchen until his paws were clean and
dry with the cat's towel.

I can't speak for other cats or their owners of course.


Mine is self taught to just walk in and climb onto the white bed sheets -
hence it is a ****.

Buy brown bed sheets, or fit an electric blanket with dangerously
exposed wires.

Or glue carpet grippers to your sheets.

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On Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:09:34 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
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T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

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Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel
round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets
faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

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Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html


'Or not'. ;-)

The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with. Dogs and cats are
quite diffenrt dogds have been brought up to live amihnst humans for a lot
longer than cats have. Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do
what they want.


And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I
often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and
theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.


And I'm all for that, along with storing the animals DNA on the same
file so when the owners allow them to do anything that impacts another
person, they (the owners) can be traced and dealt with.

I feel the same way about people especially kids.

The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Then you need to do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in Oxford St.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 19:33:02 +0100, "ARW"
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:16:33 +0100, "ARW"
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Mine is the second one down on the first column.

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IMHO, they are all that breed, even if not on that chart. ;-)

If I had a dog that tried to get up on a surface where I prepared food
or climb all over my HiFi / PC / mantelpiece it would be taken down
the vet for a long sleep sharpish. [1]

The good thing of course is I've never had a dog do anything like that
(or crap in other peoples gardens) so never had the need for that long
walk.

A 'pet' cat is like having a loose pet hawk and it's only yours just
because / whilst you feed it now and again (when it's not feeding
itself (or just murdering for the fun of it) off the local wildlife).

Cheers, T i m

[1] It's as if you have to have a lobotomy when you take on a cat that
then allows you to consider their wanton vandalism and violent ways
'cute'.

'Awww look, Tiddles just knocked a full cup of tea over my brand new
Apple laptop ... what is he like ...'

(The answer was already and accurately provided by your chart of
course). ;-)


Best just to keep all "meat" animals in captivty with restricted space
and
then slaughter them for human consumption then?

Sorry, what bit specifically was that in reply to Adam?

But 'best', depends how much you like you meat and if you are
expecting everyone to out and kill it themselves?

I think that everyone should visit a slaughter house.

What's the point ? I don't bother to tour sewers that are in use either.

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:55:43 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:54:32 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
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Considering the topic I would have thought you would have at least
quoted the rest of the points mentioned on that link (but as I see you
are a cat owner I can see why you might not). ;-)

Well there's little point in postingthe whole page just the more
important bits.

Quite, the bits that were important to the topic in hand. It was
clearly stating that it's the risks from cats poo. ;-(

Or any poo from any animal, which carries the same tiny little risk nobody
worries about.

"Accidentally swallowing the parasite through contact with cat feces
that contain Toxoplasma. This might happen by

* cleaning a cat's litter box when the cat has shed Toxoplasma in
its feces

So we cat owners do clear up then,

Yes, from the inside of your own houses, again, not really the issue.
;-(

dogs just leave it in the park.

As cats do?

While some owners do clean it up.

Most dog owners do (or risk a fine if seen if they don't). Very few
cat owners do.

Then why am I always having to avoid it on pavements?

But if yuor'e clearing up any **** don't eat at teh same time and wash
afterwoods.

Well, quite. But what if you aren't clearing up sh1t. What if you are
like our daughter and doing some gardening for an old lady in her back
garden and unknowingly comes against some cat sh1t, even though the
householder doesn't own a cat? Hardly likely to come across any dog
sh1t there is she and whilst she generally washes her hands before
eating, it's not always easy.

If you're gardening, you have a trowel in your hand for example.

The only time I do is when planting seedlings which is very rarely.

Scoop up the **** and drop it in the bin. Simple.

Its still got some of what came from that **** in the soil.

* touching or ingesting anything that has come into contact with
cat feces that contain Toxoplasma

I would assume the same goes for dogs too.

I'm sure there is something bad with most animal poo Dave, the point
is that why should I be at risk or have to deal with cat sh1t at all
when I don't even have a cat? I don't have a dog (or any pets atm) and
whilst I have cleaned up the odd instance of dog mess from the front
pavement, it's still not my (private) back garden and on my vegetable
patch. ;-(

If the cat is in your garden and you don't like it, fire something at it.
A supersoaker 500, or a soft dart gun.

Too much farting around.

* accidentally ingesting contaminated soil (e.g., not washing hands
after gardening or eating unwashed fruits or vegetables from a
garden)"

Some seemingly everyday actions ... especially for a 'cat owner'? ;-(

Not me, I've never found any fruits or vegetables in my garden you'll
rarely see them on a plate to eat eather.

I meant (including) clearing out your cat's litter. You do do that
don't you?

Cat litter is for people who have just bought a cat and are keeping it
inside for the first two weeks to get it used to moving house. Why on
earth would you have cat litter when you can let it do it outside? ****
indoors ****ing stinks - why do you think we have extractor fans in
bathrooms?

Strange but a lot of farms tend to keep cats.

Or they 'inherit them more like? And it's not the same sort of thing
with cats and their fouling on a few hundred acres of farmland (if
they ever ventured that far out) versus my 4 sq m of veg patch in my
fenced back garden.

It's cleaner to have cats than rats on your farm.

Ratter dogs do a much better job.

Think on all that when your cat (unlikely to be your dog) walks
across
all the surfaces where *you* prepare food after it's carefully
buried
it's cr*p in someone else's garden.

well my cat doesn't walk across food preparing work surfaces

How do you know that, OOI Dave?.

I've had 3 cats since about 1994 only one attempted to jump up on the
kitchen work surface I said no sterly, grabbed hold of him and gentily
throw him out.

And when you aren't there and they are?

It's nothing to worry about. We have an immune system which kills 99.9%
of stuff we pick up.

Doesn't work with toxoplasmosis.

and has never craped in anyone elses garden wel not in the last 4
years anyway.

As Andrew asks, how do you know? The only way you could would be that
your cat never goes outside (excellent),

correct she doen't that's how I know.

Good. I did link to a cat site that suggested indoor cats lived longer
and were happier and it should be the direction all cats should go in.

The site is bull****.

True.

If cats preferred to go indoors, they would stay inside when a catflap is
present. 99% don't. I heard of ONE that was nervous and stayed in.

I've never even heard of one that stupid.

and as for my previous cat I had a webcam on the cat flat so knew
exactly when heb went out and came in, filmed documented and shown on a
pet program in the USA.

Cool. ;-)

Invasion of the cat's privacy and totally unnecessary.

"ARW" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:16:33 +0100, "ARW"
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Mine is the second one down on the first column.

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IMHO, they are all that breed, even if not on that chart. ;-)

If I had a dog that tried to get up on a surface where I prepared food
or climb all over my HiFi / PC / mantelpiece it would be taken down
the vet for a long sleep sharpish. [1]

The good thing of course is I've never had a dog do anything like that
(or crap in other peoples gardens) so never had the need for that long
walk.

A 'pet' cat is like having a loose pet hawk and it's only yours just
because / whilst you feed it now and again (when it's not feeding
itself (or just murdering for the fun of it) off the local wildlife).

Cheers, T i m

[1] It's as if you have to have a lobotomy when you take on a cat that
then allows you to consider their wanton vandalism and violent ways
'cute'.

'Awww look, Tiddles just knocked a full cup of tea over my brand new
Apple laptop ... what is he like ...'

(The answer was already and accurately provided by your chart of
course). ;-)



I was brought up with Labadors and Border terriers as pets.

What are the terriers like personality wise ?
Never had anything to do with those.

I would love to have a dog but it would be left on it's own all day and so
I cannot have one.

Corse you can, worked fine for me.

My cat has no idea I am at work as it is asleep most of the day.

The one that headed off to the neighbours for a second
breakfast as soon as you went to work clearly knew otherwise.

"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:42:19 +0100, "ARW"
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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:55:38 +0100, "ARW"
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But 'best', depends how much you like you meat and if you are
expecting everyone to out and kill it themselves?

I think that everyone should visit a slaughter house.

Unfortunately (for me and many others) I think you are right mate.

I don't think you should be able to buy meat from the shops unless you
show your 'Attendance certificate'. ;-(

I think the chances are I'd probably give up the little meat I eat now
days entirely before getting my certificate ...


Trust me. There are teens that do not know where potatoes come from (they
say "the supermarket" when asked)

No, I believe you

It would be interesting to see what they
say if you say before the supermarket.

and I think it's a sad state of affairs.

I don't think it matters a damn myself.

And it would only the most stupid that
don't realise that the meat in the supermarket
doesn't come from a live animal.

I was reminded just how bad things are getting when a
elderly family friend was talking about dumping all her
husbands old tools because 'none of the children want them'. ;-(

Didn't happen with mine, I designed and built my own house
from scratch on a bare block of land, not something my dad
or his father ever did, although they did have lots of tools
that I eventually ended up with most of. One of his grandkids
is a full time builder, his kid is a bit young to be clear what
he will do yet.

Or is it getting bad or is just things are changing away
what most here probably accepted as 'perfectly normal'?

Or is it just another example of old farts deploring how the
kids today are completely ****ing hopeless. We can see that
the ancient greeks used to sit around in their togas or
whatever they wore and rave on exactly the same way.

Few want to be real (hands on / oily rag type) 'Engineers' these days,
preferring to sit in front of a screen programming stuff ... 'Software
Engineers'?

Yes, what gets engineered does change over time.

You don't see to many bothering with steam engines much anymore.

So, few service their own vehicles any more

Because they don't need much service at all anymore.

(even the bits they could do),

You can in fact so much more today when the system tells
you what has failed if you have enough of a clue to get an
ODB2 diagnostic device for a coupla bucks.

few fix their own household appliances

Few ever did and it makes a lot more sense to get a chinese
person to make you another for peanuts now with most of them.

(when in many cases they could, if only they tried)

Not all that many at all in fact with the portable appliances.

and it seems few can even fit a plug top

Because they come with decent molded cables
that never need anyone to do that anymore.

or as you say, know where most of their food

Doesn't matter if they do.

(or anything for that matter) comes from. ;-(

I think they should dump religious / media studies
at school and feed them continuous episodes of
'How it' made' and 'Food unwrapped' instead.

Makes a lot more sense to do what we have done, have
that available for anyone who is interested to watch for free.

Actual programs that relate to the world they live in,

Plenty of that with the food programs alone.

not just following (and worse aspiring)
to some bogus / faux 'celebrity.

p.s. I'm pleased to state that our (25 yr old) daughter has no
interest (what so ever) in any of that celebrity BS and of the little
television she watches, Mastermind and University Challenge are right
at the top (and she amazes us re just how much she knows about the
'older stuff'). ;-)

And I bet that isnt that uncommon.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:54 +0100, "ARW"
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I was brought up with Labadors and Border terriers as pets.

What I call 'proper dogs'. Anything from the working / hound family
even including things like std poodles (along with Dalmatians aren't
breeds you see very often these days) work for me. ;-)

I would love to have a dog but it would be left on it's own all day and so
I
cannot have one.

Is the right answer.

Nope, worked fine for me.

Well, you could, as long as it was either old

Doesn't need to be, mine worked fine all its life.

and slept most the time

All dogs do.

or you had someone who could give it a good walk midday.

Don't need anything like that.

We were both at work when we had three dogs but one (or
both) of us were generally close enough to be able to give
them the best part of an hours walk every lunchtime.

Complete waste of time. I came home for lunch most days
and never bothered.

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:39:25 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

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I was brought up with Labadors and Border terriers as pets.

What I call 'proper dogs'. Anything from the working / hound family
even including things like std poodles (along with Dalmatians aren't
breeds you see very often these days) work for me. ;-)

I would love to have a dog but it would be left on it's own all day and
so I
cannot have one.

Is the right answer. Well, you could, as long as it was either old and
slept most the time or you had someone who could give it a good walk
midday.

We were both at work when we had three dogs but one (or both) of us
were generally close enough to be able to give them the best part of
an hours walk every lunchtime.

Doesn't a dog only need one good walk a day?

It doesn't even need that. I never did it as often as that.

He could do that after work or before work.

Yeah, those were the days when I thought 9:30
meetings at work were a complete and utter
obscenity. I did it in the evening most of the time,
specially in summer with daylight saving etc.

Didn't bother in the winter and still don't.

"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:54:08 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:39:25 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

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I was brought up with Labadors and Border terriers as pets.

What I call 'proper dogs'. Anything from the working / hound family
even including things like std poodles (along with Dalmatians aren't
breeds you see very often these days) work for me. ;-)

I would love to have a dog but it would be left on it's own all day and
so I
cannot have one.

Is the right answer. Well, you could, as long as it was either old and
slept most the time or you had someone who could give it a good walk
midday.

We were both at work when we had three dogs but one (or both) of us
were generally close enough to be able to give them the best part of
an hours walk every lunchtime.

Doesn't a dog only need one good walk a day?

One *good* walk, ideally, yes (depending on breed / age / health etc).

That's bull****, they don't need a walk every day.

He could do that after work or before work.

He could, however, it's the amount of time in between both human
contact and a chance to have a toilet break (most dogs only go
outside, typically in the owners back garden) more regularly than yer
typical 8+ hours away at work.

Dogs do fine for much longer than that.

And this desire for contact is usually bi-directional.

Our family dogs, the whippet is known for their desire for human
companionship and were known to sleep on the foot of the children's
bed when they were more common, especially 'up Norf'.

Whilst they don't like water as much as say a Retriever, std Poodle or
Setter, they will happily get wet if it means being with their owner.

However, to see a whippet at it's best you have to see one (or more)
run and they are *the* fastest accelerating dog in the world.

Stupid dogs tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTTUPLrc5M

They are no fans of cats either. ;-)

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:09:27 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
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The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with.

No, true, other than by not choosing say a cat as a pet in the first
place.

well they you end up with mice and rats isn;lt that how the plague started when peole got rid of the cats. Although hopefully iof we did get rid of cats we;d find better methods of controling mice/rats.

What we donlt need to spend money on saving is giant panada they do nothing
other than look cute I don't even think they taste nice ;-)



Just as you wouldn't say choose a breed of dog that looks like
a 'dangerous breed'

well there might be a reason for chosing such a dog as a guard dog.

or one prone to some medical weakness or
condition.

So close crufts , as those dogs would have no use at all.

Remember at least cats get rid of mice.



Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.

Yes, so if I wanted something that wasn't going to be a benefit or
asset to me then I too could choose a cat (or budgie or goldfish) for
a pet. However, I prefer something that I can take out with me,

Ah well I prefer something I don;t need to take out with me. Not all pubs clibs cinimas, museumes, theartres, stadiums even holiday resort will take a dog.

I'm going to see a mates band at the O2 next moth I don't think they allow dogs in, I can leave my cat alone at home without any problems.



something that get's me outdoors and some fresh air and exercise.

Almsot any hobby can do that.
Ypou want to run in the london marathion with a dog can you ?



and
at the same time actually want to be with me and have some fun (like
retrieving a ball or racing etc).

Cats donlt find that sort of thing fun.


I'm not saying that a more 'indoor'
pet isn't good or even better than a dog for anyone else (and there
are many instances where a dog is far from the best solution of
course) and as a kid I've kept tropical fish, Guinea pigs and a rabbit
but none of them compared with a dog as a 'companion'.

Well that's true but dogs are far more dependent on their owners, cats are happy to be left alone for most of the day dogs aren't like that.
With a lot of dogs you have to take them out, unlike cats.



And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I don't think we (in general and certainly not in urban environments)
would be overrun with rats or mice and I think you would need far more
cats than are realistic to actually control the vermin population
effectively, even on a farm.

There's been plenty of cases of cats loking after farms from that POV.
They are cheaper and more efective than a lot of other methods including poisons.


So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

And good for you for doing so (whatever the reason) ... you are at
least demonstrating some responsibility towards the cat. ;-)

And if I had an iphone I'd have a locator in that too. :-)



The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Again, agreed and I'm lucky in that I've never had to commute any
distance or regularly by car and still only use the car when
necessary.

I dont have a car to pollute oher peoples air, making me superior (morally anyway) ;-P
What kills more people cats or cars


I think vehicle pollution is one of those things that is 'transparent
to most of us

Transparent things can kill.

(apart from the smog of old days in London and still in
some big cities around the world). I think they should put some (non
toxic) chemical that makes bright smoke (al-la Red Arrows) in car
fuel for just one day and it might make people realise just how much
'stuff' is produced by them just driving to the shops (when they could
probably do so on foot).

or taking the kids to school, not sure where you live but in London it's amazing how quiet the roads can be on school holidays.


So kids are more trouble than cats.


Cheers, T i m

On 14/04/2016 18:55, ARW wrote:

I think that everyone should visit a slaughter house.

In Denmark (or somewhere over there) schoolkids are taken to
meat processing plants where they see the animal being killed
and converted into meal-sized lumps.

I saw this on TV recently, might have been C4 'Food Unwrapped'.

On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:28:56 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

snip

True, however, the discussion was about the fact that cats do (and
dogs don't) usually foul in *other peoples gardens* ... nor do dogs
typically climb all over the kitchen work surfaces etc etc.

Cats donlt normally climb all over work surfaces either,

Really? I'm pretty sure every house I've ever been in that has a cat
(or more than one) sees them up on pretty well everything they can?
Including sitting on peoples HiFi and laptops. ;-)

Well I don't class laptops or HiFi or TVs as work surfaces.
I really can;t see how a cat or dog can sit on todays TVs sit in front of it sure.



that but some let their dogs like their face, which is something I've never seen a cat do.

True, that does seem to be more of a dog thing but again, generally
doesn't affect anyone other than the person being licked.

Nothing puts me of a girl more than seeing her kiss and slobber with a dog..
When yuo cuddel a cat it;s quite difernt they don't insist on licking yuor face, but my cat does bite/nibble my finger.


There was a program cats Vs dogs a month or so ago with chris packham
some things they brought up were more intersting than others.


(if they
allow the dog to etc). Not the same as someone making me some food
from a worktop walked over by their cat.

so you're saying dogs don't do this sort of thing.


http://dogs.about.com/od/dogtraining...er_surfing.htm

http://www.training-your-dog-and-you...r-Surfing.html

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...-counters.html


of course dogs are easier to train only one of my cats has ever attempted to jump up on a kitchen work once or twice in 6 years.

here's mine the screen is showing the webcam image of the bottom of the door where she;d go out if she wanted to use the catflap.
But she;s note used it so there;s a fire extigguisher infronmt of it to ensure other cats dont; try to come in.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/whisky...7629917976050/


All animals poop, it's just where they do it and what happens next
that most people are bothered about.

Try which is why you see warnings in parks aimed at dogs not cats.

No, because neither cats nor dogs can read and few cat owners take
their cats out for a walk in the park. ;-)

yes cats dont need that much looking after.


Few dometics cats have killed humans

Only those poor b*stards who die in car accidents whilst swerving to
miss a 'free roaming' cat or all the people made ill because of the
toxins etc.

quite a low number then of yuo have to swere to aviod a cat them youe probbly driving too fast in a built up area.


but avery month or so you'll hear of a dog attack,

I'm not sure it's 'every month' (but then I don't go looking etc) but
you may well be right (even if not bad enough to make the news etc).

Mostly it's to do with bad owners, there's not much call for cat fighting
but dog fighting even cock fighting, you see cats are almost imposible to train they have a will and mind of their own more than dogs appear to.



but I wopnlt blamne the dogs 99% of teh time

No, quite, whilst any dog has the potential to attack anything (they
all come from wolves after all) most never do, even when provoked and
badly tortured. Unfortunately, dogs are easy to train and therefore
you will find some who are trained to attack (like Police dogs).

Cats are pretty useless as weapons.


it's the owners and that is true of cat owners too who let their cat walk over kitchen work surfaces.

If a cat gets into such a habbit it is very difficult to get them off from doin gthat sort of thing, but I've never had a problem and niether has anyone I've know. One of my parents cats had a habit of sitting on top of a cupboard for that it had to jump on teh work surface but that wass just a means to an end it didn;t want to go on the work surface but just wanted to be up high as thats' where it was warmest in the winter when my mum did sunday lunch.



Sort of ... it is a cats natural desire to get up on stuff, be it
trees, on top of cars (much to our neighbours dismay because of the
damage done to their cars by cats). Cat's 'climb', that's what they
do, few dogs have ever been 'rescued from trees' by the Fire Brigade
for example. ;-)

Well no, but if we are to keep our fire brigade intact this might be a good reason rather than reducing the numbers and then wondering why it all went wrong with a terrorist attck and they don;t have enough fire or ambulance staff to cope with a 911 type attack.
You have to pay to get them to get a cat out of a tree I was told £200 was the amount. I don;t see a problem with this.
I see a bigger problem with irresponsible dog owners.

I don't own a cat (never have, never would [1]) and therefore don't
see why I should suffer their mess in my garden, especially around my
vegetable patch?

I've seen vegatable patches protected from birds surely theres a safe way to protect them,

Yes, you can take measures and you often have to against 'wild'
animals. I don't see why anyone should have to from anyone else's
'pet'? ;-(

well some take lots of flights which cause polution and maybe global warming
I have to put up with other D+IY regarding noise and dust.
Some have to put up with aircraft noise so peole can have holidays abroad.

On 15/04/16 12:11, Andrew wrote:
On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

yes, but some people still set fonts to be non-prop


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You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 03:31:19 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:09:27 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:



The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with.

No, true, other than by not choosing say a cat as a pet in the first
place.

well they you end up with mice and rats

Really?

isn;lt that how the plague started when peole got rid of the cats.

I don't know Dave, it was a bit before my time. ;-) Joking aside, I
don't think there is an 'natural' / animal based way of clearing up
any major influx of vermin but if there was, I suggest a 'ratter' dog
(Jack Russell, Border Terrier) be far more efficient as disposing of
quantities of rats than any cat.

Although hopefully iof we did get rid of cats we;d find better methods of controling mice/rats.

Quite.

What we donlt need to spend money on saving is giant panada they do nothing
other than look cute I don't even think they taste nice ;-)

;-)



Just as you wouldn't say choose a breed of dog that looks like
a 'dangerous breed'

well there might be a reason for chosing such a dog as a guard dog.

Well yes, but not if it's regularly going to be with the general
public.

or one prone to some medical weakness or
condition.

So close crufts , as those dogs would have no use at all.

Crufts show / support all sorts of dogs that aren't prone to any
issues, like most of the working, sporting or utility dogs for
example.

Remember at least cats get rid of mice.

I think I'd rather have the mice mate. ;-)


Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.

Yes, so if I wanted something that wasn't going to be a benefit or
asset to me then I too could choose a cat (or budgie or goldfish) for
a pet. However, I prefer something that I can take out with me,

Ah well I prefer something I don;t need to take out with me.

You don't have to but with a dog it's more of a normal / accepted
choice. Like, how many people do you see walking their cats on the
street or at the park (compared with dogs especially).

Not all pubs clibs cinimas, museumes, theartres, stadiums even holiday resort will take a dog.

You are right, but FWIW, I suspect they wouldn't accept cats either,
well, unless you can get 'Seeing cats' for the visually impaired etc.
;-)

I'm going to see a mates band at the O2 next moth I don't think they allow dogs in, I can leave my cat alone at home without any problems.

Yes, like you could if it was a pet rat, rabbit or goldfish.



something that get's me outdoors and some fresh air and exercise.

Almsot any hobby can do that.

But we are talking pets, not 'hobbies'. ;-)

Ypou want to run in the london marathion with a dog can you ?

Not sure, interesting question though (if not a helper dog etc).



and
at the same time actually want to be with me and have some fun (like
retrieving a ball or racing etc).

Cats donlt find that sort of thing fun.

I know ... but for most people a good all rounder 'companion' (rather
than just a possession) would. But you don't need me to remind you
that 'Mans best friend is a dog' and for good reason. ;-)


I'm not saying that a more 'indoor'
pet isn't good or even better than a dog for anyone else (and there
are many instances where a dog is far from the best solution of
course) and as a kid I've kept tropical fish, Guinea pigs and a rabbit
but none of them compared with a dog as a 'companion'.

Well that's true but dogs are far more dependent on their owners,

I supposed that depends on what we are taking about here. Most
'proper' dogs could survive in the wild and many do.

cats are happy to be left alone for most of the day

Yes, like a goldfish ...

dogs aren't like that.

Yes, most *prefer* the company / contact with humans (or other dogs /
animals at least) but can and do live 'ok' when more isolated.

With a lot of dogs you have to take them out, unlike cats.

Yes, and that's very much part of having a dog in the first place for
many, the *fact* that they do and want to take them out on nice long
walks in the country. OTOH, many dogs manage just with access to a
back garden and some rarely go outside at all (like these toy /
'handbag' dogs).



And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I don't think we (in general and certainly not in urban environments)
would be overrun with rats or mice and I think you would need far more
cats than are realistic to actually control the vermin population
effectively, even on a farm.

There's been plenty of cases of cats loking after farms from that POV.

Yes, I'm sure there have been, it's just that a ratter dog would be
more efficient at it than any cat.

They are cheaper and more efective than a lot of other methods including poisons.

Probably, until the numbers become overwhelming. It stands to reason
something bigger and more powerful (say a terrier) could manage more
rats / day than a cat (check the videos on Youtube of the gory act in
action).


So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

And good for you for doing so (whatever the reason) ... you are at
least demonstrating some responsibility towards the cat. ;-)

And if I had an iphone I'd have a locator in that too. :-)

;-)



The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Again, agreed and I'm lucky in that I've never had to commute any
distance or regularly by car and still only use the car when
necessary.

I dont have a car to pollute oher peoples air, making me superior (morally anyway) ;-P

Well done. However (and I don't want to rain on your parade) I'm
guessing you consume stuff that has been delivered by vehicles ... ?

What kills more people cats or cars

Erm ... including those drivers who die whilst swerving to avoid cats
.... It could be close. weg


I think vehicle pollution is one of those things that is 'transparent
to most of us

Transparent things can kill.

More so than things we can see in many cases.

(apart from the smog of old days in London and still in
some big cities around the world). I think they should put some (non
toxic) chemical that makes bright smoke (al-la Red Arrows) in car
fuel for just one day and it might make people realise just how much
'stuff' is produced by them just driving to the shops (when they could
probably do so on foot).

or taking the kids to school, not sure where you live but in London it's amazing how quiet the roads can be on school holidays.

Nth London mate and yes, you are right. However ... many of those who
drive their kids to school may carry on and drive themselves to work.


So kids are more trouble than cats.

Ermmm ... no, would still say the inconvenience of cleaning cat cr*p
off my shoes and out of my garden has been more trouble to me than
kids over the years (and I have had kids and never had a cat)!

Cheers, T i m

On Friday, 15 April 2016 12:02:24 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On 14/04/2016 18:55, ARW wrote:

I think that everyone should visit a slaughter house.

In Denmark (or somewhere over there) schoolkids are taken to
meat processing plants where they see the animal being killed
and converted into meal-sized lumps.

I saw this on TV recently, might have been C4 'Food Unwrapped'.

They also take school kids aound the brothels of amsterdame don't they.

There was also a southpark episode where tehy took school kids to see how burgers were processed and veal but not sure if it's true or not.

On Friday, 15 April 2016 12:21:45 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 03:31:19 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:09:27 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:



The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with.

No, true, other than by not choosing say a cat as a pet in the first
place.

well they you end up with mice and rats

Really?

yes really.

when my dad had an aviary in the back garden it got mice we had up to 6 cats in teh garden coming from local houses I assume to catch them.
4 of those cats rarely returned home and my parents ended up with 4 cats.
Soemtimes they'd catch a dozen or so mice in a day.


isn;lt that how the plague started when peole got rid of the cats.

I don't know Dave, it was a bit before my time. ;-) Joking aside, I
don't think there is an 'natural' / animal based way of clearing up
any major influx of vermin but if there was, I suggest a 'ratter' dog
(Jack Russell, Border Terrier) be far more efficient as disposing of
quantities of rats than any cat.

But you can't let those dogs loose and roam free that's the advantage of cats they don't need humans to sort them out.


Just as you wouldn't say choose a breed of dog that looks like
a 'dangerous breed'

well there might be a reason for chosing such a dog as a guard dog.

Well yes, but not if it's regularly going to be with the general
public.

or one prone to some medical weakness or
condition.

So close crufts , as those dogs would have no use at all.

Crufts show / support all sorts of dogs that aren't prone to any
issues, like most of the working, sporting or utility dogs for
example.

But a lot of those have been bred for that specific purpose a 2 friends have miniature dachshunds, he has to out cushoins on teh floor near the sofa because if they jump off a sofa onto the floor they can break their tiny little legs as they have been bred to hunt and chase badgers down holes.

WTF happened here.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...at-Crufts.html





Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.

Yes, so if I wanted something that wasn't going to be a benefit or
asset to me then I too could choose a cat (or budgie or goldfish) for
a pet. However, I prefer something that I can take out with me,

Ah well I prefer something I don;t need to take out with me.

You don't have to but with a dog it's more of a normal / accepted
choice. Like, how many people do you see walking their cats on the
street or at the park (compared with dogs especially).

Very few probbly because you should take cats for walks there's only a couple of breeds you can do that with. But I bet my ordinary cat can walk further than my fiends miniature dachshunds as they can only walk short distances have have to be carried.
He can;t come and visit me without brining the dog or gettign a dog sitter.


Not all pubs clibs cinimas, museumes, theartres, stadiums even holiday resort will take a dog.

You are right, but FWIW, I suspect they wouldn't accept cats either,
well, unless you can get 'Seeing cats' for the visually impaired etc.
;-)

One of my cat's went to a nightclub once.
My cats at home now alone she'll be sleeping somewhere and quite content.
Dogs get stressed when their owners leave them, can get very stressed.


I'm going to see a mates band at the O2 next moth I don't think they allow dogs in, I can leave my cat alone at home without any problems.

Yes, like you could if it was a pet rat, rabbit or goldfish.

even an elephant can be left alone but dogs seem to need humans and if they don;t then they aren't usually the sort of dogs you'd want as pets any more than a feral cat.


something that get's me outdoors and some fresh air and exercise.

Almsot any hobby can do that.

But we are talking pets, not 'hobbies'. ;-)

Which ones the 'pet' if you have to take it for walks.


Ypou want to run in the london marathion with a dog can you ?

Not sure, interesting question though (if not a helper dog etc).

Thre was one that did, it just tagged along it was a stray doing following 10km run. Think it ended up going to sweden.


and
at the same time actually want to be with me and have some fun (like
retrieving a ball or racing etc).

Cats donlt find that sort of thing fun.

I know ... but for most people a good all rounder 'companion' (rather
than just a possession) would. But you don't need me to remind you
that 'Mans best friend is a dog' and for good reason. ;-)

Never understood that reasoning

Well mans best friend is a bottle opener.

I'd rather be a member of my cats staff, than have to say my dogs my best friend. :-0


I'm not saying that a more 'indoor'
pet isn't good or even better than a dog for anyone else (and there
are many instances where a dog is far from the best solution of
course) and as a kid I've kept tropical fish, Guinea pigs and a rabbit
but none of them compared with a dog as a 'companion'.

Well that's true but dogs are far more dependent on their owners,

I supposed that depends on what we are taking about here. Most
'proper' dogs could survive in the wild and many do.

Like wolves and feral cats but the versions we have as pets are quite differnt.

En el artículo , Andrew Andrew97d-
escribió:

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

Macaw/PHucker is too thick to understand that Usenet is meant to be read
with a monospaced font. In fact, he's too thick to understand anything.

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(='.'=) Windows 10: less of an OS, more of a drive-by mugging.
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:07:07 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artículo , Andrew Andrew97d-
escribió:

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

Macaw/PHucker is too thick to understand that Usenet is meant to be read
with a monospaced font. In fact, he's too thick to understand anything.

Why on earth would you want to read it in something that outdated? It only needs to be monospaced for ASCII diagrams, useful for an electronics newsgroup perhaps. But easier to read proportional. They were invented with Windows 3.1 IIRC?

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A federal survey shows that one in twenty Americans lack basic English skills.
The good news is, even without those skills someone can still become President.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:17:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/04/16 12:11, Andrew wrote:
On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

yes, but some people still set fonts to be non-prop

Not many.


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The true mark of a civilized society is when its citizens know how to hate each other peacefully.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:11:34 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

What makes you think proportional fonts are not text only?

--
The true mark of a civilized society is when its citizens know how to hate each other peacefully.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

snip

Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

snip

Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html

The word hidden reveals it all. It's not common, nobody knows or cares about it as it's rare. Move along, nothing to see here.

--
How do you embarrass an archeologist?
Give him a used tampon and ask him which period it came from.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:09:32 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

snip

Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

snip

Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html


'Or not'. ;-)

The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

So, birds poop contains all sorts of bad stuff but not generally an
issue unless you keep birds yourself, or live next to someone who
'keeps' racing pigeons.

And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

And I'm all for that, along with storing the animals DNA on the same
file so when the owners allow them to do anything that impacts another
person, they (the owners) can be traced and dealt with. The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

Cheers, T i m

Get a life. Stop worrying about little things that don't matter. I have to walk around a dog **** on the pavement sometimes. Do I go hunt down the owner? No, I don't care.

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A male voice yells over to the female side: "I got 12 inches over here you would love to have."
The female response was: "Well, spit it out it isn't yours."

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:09:24 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:09:34 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

snip

Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

snip

Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html


'Or not'. ;-)

The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with.

No, true, other than by not choosing say a cat as a pet in the first
place. Just as you wouldn't say choose a breed of dog that looks like
a 'dangerous breed' or one prone to some medical weakness or
condition.

Dogs and cats are quite diffenrt dogds have been brought up to live amihnst humans for a lot longer than cats have.

I'm not sure what the timelines are but you are probably right.

Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.

Yes, so if I wanted something that wasn't going to be a benefit or
asset to me then I too could choose a cat (or budgie or goldfish) for
a pet. However, I prefer something that I can take out with me,
something that get's me outdoors and some fresh air and exercise and
at the same time actually want to be with me and have some fun (like
retrieving a ball or racing etc). I'm not saying that a more 'indoor'
pet isn't good or even better than a dog for anyone else (and there
are many instances where a dog is far from the best solution of
course) and as a kid I've kept tropical fish, Guinea pigs and a rabbit
but none of them compared with a dog as a 'companion'.

You want that, I want something that's maintenance free, so I choose a cat.

And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.

I don't think we (in general and certainly not in urban environments)
would be overrun with rats or mice and I think you would need far more
cats than are realistic to actually control the vermin population
effectively, even on a farm.

Before I had cats, my next door neighbour was paying an exterminator twice a year.

So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

And good for you for doing so (whatever the reason) ... you are at
least demonstrating some responsibility towards the cat. ;-)

What gives you the right to say we should control the cats? Why do you own your garden and not a cat? You have an overinflated ego.

And I'm all for that, along with storing the animals DNA on the same
file so when the owners allow them to do anything that impacts another
person, they (the owners) can be traced and dealt with.

I feel the same way about people especially kids.

('Some kids' ...) Quite ... but that is a different topic. ;-)

Ah but in modern society apparently the parent doesn't own the kid anymore. They don't have rights to bring them up how they wish, so why should they be held responsible? It's the state that owns the kids now. If I have kids and can't beat them senseless when they misbehave, I'm not responsible when they have no ****ing discipline. The state chose to treat them with cotton wool, the state can deal with it.

The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Again, agreed and I'm lucky in that I've never had to commute any
distance or regularly by car and still only use the car when
necessary.

I think vehicle pollution is one of those things that is 'transparent
to most of us (apart from the smog of old days in London and still in
some big cities around the world). I think they should put some (non
toxic) chemical that makes bright smoke (al-la Red Arrows) in car
fuel for just one day and it might make people realise just how much
'stuff' is produced by them just driving to the shops (when they could
probably do so on foot).

Pollution doesn't bother me. If it bothers you, stop living in an overcrowded city. You chose to live there.

--
Women are like dog ****, the older they get the easier they are to pick up.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 04:22:56 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:09:34 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

snip

Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel
round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets
faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

snip

Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html


'Or not'. ;-)

The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with. Dogs and cats are
quite diffenrt dogds have been brought up to live amihnst humans for a lot
longer than cats have. Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do
what they want.


And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I
often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and
theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.


And I'm all for that, along with storing the animals DNA on the same
file so when the owners allow them to do anything that impacts another
person, they (the owners) can be traced and dealt with.

I feel the same way about people especially kids.

The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Then you need to do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in Oxford St.

Why Oxford St in particular?

--
"Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts."

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:09:34 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:48:16 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:15:52 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

snip

Cats **** in flower beds and fertilise them,

I don't have a flower bed. I had a veg patch and do have gravel round
my outbuildings and that's often covered in other peoples pets faeces.

Your vegetables grow better with manure.

Yes, proper (vegetarian - horse) manure not cat sh1t that may contain
Toxocara.

snip

Cheers, T i m


You might enjoy this. Or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8102860.html


'Or not'. ;-)

The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with. Dogs and cats are quite diffenrt dogds have been brought up to live amihnst humans for a lot longer than cats have. Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.


And that's the thing ... when you have to suffer from something that
isn't your choice, like other peoples animals dumping on your property
and especially when they demonstrate they CGAF, that's when things can
go bad.

I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.

Nothing would happen. I'd like to see them stop me keeping cats. I'd deliberately breed them like rabbits and set them loose close to the houses of the MPs that voted for the ban.

So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the **** happened.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:31:19 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:09:27 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote:



The thing is (as I said elsewhere) all animals poop it just becomes an
issue 'where' in some cases and the potential consequences of that
when they do.

I can understand that but it's not easy to deal with.

No, true, other than by not choosing say a cat as a pet in the first
place.

well they you end up with mice and rats isn;lt that how the plague started when peole got rid of the cats. Although hopefully iof we did get rid of cats we;d find better methods of controling mice/rats.

What we donlt need to spend money on saving is giant panada they do nothing
other than look cute I don't even think they taste nice ;-)

Agreed. Why do people get all upset about a species which is clearly useless at surviving?

Just as you wouldn't say choose a breed of dog that looks like
a 'dangerous breed'

well there might be a reason for chosing such a dog as a guard dog.

Ha! No dog has ever got the better of me. We can use tools.

or one prone to some medical weakness or
condition.

So close crufts , as those dogs would have no use at all.

Remember at least cats get rid of mice.

And they don't yap endlessly.

Dogs tend to do what their owners want, cats do what they want.

Yes, so if I wanted something that wasn't going to be a benefit or
asset to me then I too could choose a cat (or budgie or goldfish) for
a pet. However, I prefer something that I can take out with me,

Ah well I prefer something I don;t need to take out with me. Not all pubs clibs cinimas, museumes, theartres, stadiums even holiday resort will take a dog.

I'm going to see a mates band at the O2 next moth I don't think they allow dogs in, I can leave my cat alone at home without any problems.

Agreed, a cat looks after itself. A dog is too needy.

something that get's me outdoors and some fresh air and exercise.

Almsot any hobby can do that.
Ypou want to run in the london marathion with a dog can you ?

I think the idea is it forces people to exercise, otherwise they only bother now and again.

and
at the same time actually want to be with me and have some fun (like
retrieving a ball or racing etc).

Cats donlt find that sort of thing fun.

You can amuse them with silly things, but not for long before they get tired of it. A dog will play fetch indefinitely.

So, like with most things that get enough people down, legislation
steps in on behalf of an innocent minority. All dogs now have to be
chipped because of the actions of what is probably a tiny minority.

I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

And good for you for doing so (whatever the reason) ... you are at
least demonstrating some responsibility towards the cat. ;-)

And if I had an iphone I'd have a locator in that too. :-)

Can you watch where your cat is and track where it goes?

The same
*should* apply to cats and hopefully will one day as I believe 'most
people' consider cat fouling on their own property (when they don't
own a cat) to be unacceptable.

I find the polution put out by other peoples cars unacceptable

Again, agreed and I'm lucky in that I've never had to commute any
distance or regularly by car and still only use the car when
necessary.

I dont have a car to pollute oher peoples air, making me superior (morally anyway) ;-P
What kills more people cats or cars

Cars don't kill people, incapable people kill people.

I think vehicle pollution is one of those things that is 'transparent
to most of us

Transparent things can kill.

Treehugger!

(apart from the smog of old days in London and still in
some big cities around the world). I think they should put some (non
toxic) chemical that makes bright smoke (al-la Red Arrows) in car
fuel for just one day and it might make people realise just how much
'stuff' is produced by them just driving to the shops (when they could
probably do so on foot).

or taking the kids to school, not sure where you live but in London it's amazing how quiet the roads can be on school holidays.

That's because of health and softy nonsense. Parents think it's not safe for their kids to walk to school.

So kids are more trouble than cats.

We ought to stop the child benefits and free education. If you want to have a child YOU pay for its education, etc.

--
Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together?

On 15/04/2016 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/16 12:11, Andrew wrote:
On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

yes, but some people still set fonts to be non-prop

Every so often there's a diagram or something that only works in a fixed
pitch font.

Andy

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:45:53 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:

On 15/04/2016 12:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/16 12:11, Andrew wrote:
On 14/04/2016 21:26, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:57 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 13/04/2016 22:55, Bob Eager wrote:
About 1 in 3000 can be male (XXY). Often sterile, and I believe they
often have physical and mental problems.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you tell?

Arrows don't work. Most people have had proportional fonts for the
last few decades.

Works for me with thunderbird. Isn't UK.DIY a text-only group ?.

yes, but some people still set fonts to be non-prop

Every so often there's a diagram or something that only works in a fixed
pitch font.

Yes, it's worth swapping over to look at a diagram. But not just to see where someone put arrows.

--
Why do people hit things when they don't work?
It worked with the slaves

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.



--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the **** happened.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:19:25 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.

In response to all of the above, what my cats do is entirely up to them. They can mate or fight with whoever they wish, it's really none of my business.

--
Friends are like condoms: They protect you when things get hard.

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:13:41 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:19:25 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.

In response to all of the above, what my cats do is entirely up to them.

Yes most cats do that most of the time too.

They can mate or fight with whoever they wish, it's really none of my business.

me niether but in my house there are certain standards they have to manintain and that's not fighting with strays or with the foxes in my house.
If they want to have a fight they can take it outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBgEZ5fteU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNeKgu1k34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJT03jx6rk

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:32:49 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:13:41 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:19:25 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.

In response to all of the above, what my cats do is entirely up to them.

Yes most cats do that most of the time too.

They can mate or fight with whoever they wish, it's really none of my business.

me niether but in my house there are certain standards they have to manintain and that's not fighting with strays or with the foxes in my house.
If they want to have a fight they can take it outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBgEZ5fteU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNeKgu1k34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJT03jx6rk

You claim in the video text that it's to stop them "stealing" your cat's food. Isn't that a bit mean of you? I just stick food out and whoever gets it eats it.

You have a LOT of cats. I have TWO cats that come here that aren't mine, you must have a lot of neighbours who don't feed their cats enough.

--
The first Harley Davidson motorcycle built in 1903 used a tomato can for a carburetor.

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:50:58 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:32:49 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:13:41 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:19:25 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.

In response to all of the above, what my cats do is entirely up to them.

Yes most cats do that most of the time too.

They can mate or fight with whoever they wish, it's really none of my business.

me niether but in my house there are certain standards they have to manintain and that's not fighting with strays or with the foxes in my house.
If they want to have a fight they can take it outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBgEZ5fteU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNeKgu1k34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJT03jx6rk

You claim in the video text that it's to stop them "stealing" your cat's food. Isn't that a bit mean of you? I just stick food out and whoever gets it eats it.

I did that provided my cat no longer wanted the food then I put it further up teh garden rther than close to the flap.


You have a LOT of cats.

I have 1 cats. I've only ever had 1 cat at a time.

I have TWO cats that come here that aren't mine, you must have a lot of neighbours who don't feed their cats enough.

I live in an area where they are a lot of flats which are rented and a lot of landlords don't allow dogs some allow smaller pets.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:38:52 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:50:58 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:32:49 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 13:13:41 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:19:25 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 15 April 2016 21:27:27 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:42:29 +0100, whisky-dave wrote:



I agree but a faur few peole have cats becuse they keep teh mice away, I often wonder what that would be like if there were a cat ban.


I have my cat chipped not because of any law but in case it gets lost and theplan was to use a chipped cat flap.

I don't see the point in those. I have no objection to my neighbour's cats coming round to play with mine. Sometimes my food gets eaten by them, sometimes mine eat their food, swings and roundabouts.

Soemtimes it can distress the cat to, soem cats can be violent towards others.
One of the worst is where your cat feels the need to spray in it's own house in order to warn off other cats. You do know cats are territorial and this can cause serious fights.

Maybe yuo ahve a female cat you like breeding with and don lt want any tom or dick getting your pussy.

In response to all of the above, what my cats do is entirely up to them.

Yes most cats do that most of the time too.

They can mate or fight with whoever they wish, it's really none of my business.

me niether but in my house there are certain standards they have to manintain and that's not fighting with strays or with the foxes in my house.
If they want to have a fight they can take it outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBgEZ5fteU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHNeKgu1k34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJT03jx6rk

You claim in the video text that it's to stop them "stealing" your cat's food. Isn't that a bit mean of you? I just stick food out and whoever gets it eats it.

I did that provided my cat no longer wanted the food then I put it further up teh garden rther than close to the flap.

Easy enough to put the food out when your cat comes to ask for it if you want to save money.

You have a LOT of cats.

I have 1 cats. I've only ever had 1 cat at a time.

I meant you have a lot of visiting cats.

I have TWO cats that come here that aren't mine, you must have a lot of neighbours who don't feed their cats enough.

I live in an area where they are a lot of flats

I was trying to find that photo of someone who had installed a cat flap in the wall of her upper flat, causing the kitty to fall out, but I can't find it. Instead I found this weirdness - people caging their cats! http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm

which are rented and a lot of landlords don't allow dogs some allow smaller pets.

Round here the council seems to put everyone with a dog in one place. Those places are loud and stink.

--
Washing a cat is like trying to clean out a food processor while it's switched on. -- Neil Allen, circa 2014