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On 08/03/16 16:02, Tim Watts wrote:
On 08/03/16 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote: I miss those elevator captains dont you? The feeling of power when you said '3rd floor, please' and the sexy attendant in his smart uniform told you where to get off. These self service buttons will never really catch on. And that is similar to a train in what particular way? In every way except it goes up and down instead of along It's people transport, its automatic, and it stops at stations -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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On 08/03/16 18:41, Richard wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: I miss those elevator captains dont you? Them **** off back to the US. Your pal Trump needs you. The feeling of power when you said '3rd floor, please' and the sexy attendant in his smart uniform told you where to get off. Only lift attendant I can remember was a one armed ex serviceman. In the Corps of Commissionaires. Poor thing. Obviously never been in posh establishments in the past. These self service buttons will never really catch on. I see the dreary lefty**** is having trouble getting his sense of humour up. It muat be quite an experience to have chips on both shoulders.. -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
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"76dr" wrote in message ... snip **** off Wodney. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message news On 08/03/16 12:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Watts wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. The driverless DLR works well, but there are 2 points: 1) It's not really driverless as there's a conductor who can drive on board. They just pay him less and he does other jobs most of the time. Yes. But those who go on and on about driverless trains want to eliminate that job entirely - not just call it something else, or move the driver from the cab to elsewhere. Then they are misguided fools - you will never eliminate a staff presence from trains with very rare exceptions (Gatwick terminal monorail - that's short and there are a lot of staff and emergency responders on site all the time). Pity about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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En el artículo . com,
bm escribió: "76dr" wrote in message ... snip **** off Wodney. Time to drop indiviual.net a line. His excessive morphing is abuse of his account. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? Just the result of the usual completely ****ed implementation that Britain is absolutely notorious for. Pity about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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Sam Crean wrote: "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? Just the result of the usual completely ****ed implementation that Britain is absolutely notorious for. It's not the system, but the idiots who use it. When the mesage is "Stand clear of the doors" they don't - they carry on trying to push in. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
I'd ask what makes more sense. Staff on a tube station or train who give the paying passengers a sense of security. Or don’t bother like we didn’t with lifts. Or like these didn’t bother either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: But all Leftythinking wants us to return to a noble idealised hunter-gatherer society where everybody is equal, all property is theft, and even the stupid can pick a raspberry or club a bunny to death. A hunter gatherer society is exactly what right wing ******s like you want. Winner takes all. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you don’t have a ****ing clue about how hunter gatherer society works either. You're as bad as the turnip. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 13:57, dennis@home wrote: On 08/03/2016 00:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Waimer wrote: and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Because the unions get any say on that and there is no one with any balls like Maggie or Murdoch had to take them on. Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Yet they still use docklands. Which are not "driverless". They are automated with a train captain on board who issues the door close/train start sequence - just like the Victoria Line. What these people mean is "without staff" which is never going to happen because the public don't want it too (except on strike days when it suits them). How odd that it has with most of these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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"Sam Crean" wrote in message ...
**** off rod |
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"Sam Crean" wrote in message ...
FOAD rod |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/03/16 14:33, Tim Watts wrote: On 08/03/16 13:57, dennis@home wrote: On 08/03/2016 00:47, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Waimer wrote: and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Because the unions get any say on that and there is no one with any balls like Maggie or Murdoch had to take them on. Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Yet they still use docklands. Which are not "driverless". They are automated with a train captain on board who issues the door close/train start sequence - just like the Victoria Line. What these people mean is "without staff" which is never going to happen because the public don't want it too (except on strike days when it suits them). I miss those elevator captains dont you? The feeling of power when you said '3rd floor, please' and the sexy attendant in his smart uniform told you where to get off. These self service buttons will never really catch on. And that is similar to a train in what particular way? People still use them even when there is no driver. Same with these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: I miss those elevator captains dont you? Them **** off back to the US. Your pal Trump needs you. The feeling of power when you said '3rd floor, please' and the sexy attendant in his smart uniform told you where to get off. Only lift attendant I can remember was a one armed ex serviceman. In the Corps of Commissionaires. Poor thing. Obviously never been in posh establishments in the past. They don't let the refugees from Scotland into places like that. |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... "Sam Crean" wrote in message ... **** off rod Go and **** yourself, gutless. |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... "Sam Crean" wrote in message ... FOAD rod Go and **** yourself, gutless. |
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On 08/03/16 19:56, Sam Crean wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? Just the result of the usual completely ****ed implementation that Britain is absolutely notorious for. Pity about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems Perhaps I should have said "will never happen in Britain". But point taken! |
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On 08/03/16 22:03, Huge wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? In your imagination, mostly. And Wikipedia's apparantly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dockla..._rolling_stock "The trains are fully automated and have no driver, but a Passenger Service Agent (PSA), titled the "Train Captain" in the system's earlier years, is in attendance in each train and can take control at a driver's console if required." |
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On 08/03/16 22:24, Huge wrote:
Yes they are. They no more require a "driver" than a lift. Anyone could operate a DLR train after about 15 minutes training. And would they be competent to deal with all the emergencies and failure scenarios, eg gapping? I think not. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 19:56, Sam Crean wrote: "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? Just the result of the usual completely ****ed implementation that Britain is absolutely notorious for. Pity about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems Perhaps I should have said "will never happen in Britain". It has actually, with the DLR at night most obviously. But point taken! |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 22:03, Huge wrote: "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 08/03/16 12:43, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Streater wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. Very funny Dave. Never been on the DLR, then? Driverless most of the time. I take it you've never been on it? I've been on it quite often. Driverless most of the time. And who was the bloke in uniform who was walking up and down and pressing the door-close/train-start button at every stop? In your imagination, mostly. And Wikipedia's apparantly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dockla..._rolling_stock "The trains are fully automated and have no driver, but a Passenger Service Agent (PSA), titled the "Train Captain" in the system's earlier years, is in attendance in each train and can take control at a driver's console if required." That isn't what happens at night. |
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On 08/03/2016 16:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: I miss those elevator captains dont you? Them **** off back to the US. Your pal Trump needs you. The feeling of power when you said '3rd floor, please' and the sexy attendant in his smart uniform told you where to get off. Only lift attendant I can remember was a one armed ex serviceman. In the Corps of Commissionaires. They used to have a lift attendant in the Greenwich foot tunnel at Island Garden, which was at the end of the DLR. This was even after the DLR came. Up until about ten years ago I think. I never liked having my trains cancelled due to lack of staff (i.e. drivers) and I never saw a train drive perform any useful service apart from drive, this is even when trains broke down. The sooner they get rid of drivers the better as far as I'm concerned. |
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On 07/03/2016 23:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Secondly why trains are so expensive and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Unions... They may be part of the problem. But I think it is more than that. More that there is no commercial pressure to make railways efficient. No survival of the fittest that occurs in the motor car industry. |
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Sam Crean wrote: Yet another Wodney. -- *If God had wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them on my knees Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Nick wrote: Secondly why trains are so expensive and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Unions... They may be part of the problem. But I think it is more than that. More that there is no commercial pressure to make railways efficient. No survival of the fittest that occurs in the motor car industry. Have you any idea of the cost of modifying all trains, signalling and track to driverless? It would likely make HS2 seem a bargain. And just imagine the target computer controlled trains would be for a hacker... -- *Rehab is for quitters Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Nick" wrote in message ... On 07/03/2016 23:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Secondly why trains are so expensive and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Unions... They may be part of the problem. But I think it is more than that. More that there is no commercial pressure to make railways efficient. And yet the monopoly phone system did away with operators even when there was no commercial pressure to make things more efficient. No survival of the fittest that occurs in the motor car industry. There wasnt with lifts either. The main problem with the railways in Britain is that there is no one with the balls of a Maggie or Murdoch prepared to take on the unions. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Nick wrote: Secondly why trains are so expensive and still have human drivers given that they are already experimenting with computer driven cars. Unions... They may be part of the problem. But I think it is more than that. More that there is no commercial pressure to make railways efficient. No survival of the fittest that occurs in the motor car industry. Have you any idea of the cost of modifying all trains, signalling and track to driverless? Yep. It would likely make HS2 seem a bargain. BULL****. And just imagine the target computer controlled trains would be for a hacker... How odd that none of these has ever been hacked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_4_Systems |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 00:02:19 +0000, Nick wrote:
I never liked having my trains cancelled due to lack of staff (i.e. drivers) and I never saw a train drive perform any useful service apart from drive, this is even when trains broke down. Some years ago before I retired (11 years now) I was in a train which stopped at a station and couldn't be started again. After a few minutes the driver appeared, opened a panel in the bulkhead and thumped a row of plug-in relays. He then returned to the cab and the train moved off. A true engineer! -- TOJ. |
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On 09/03/16 11:46, The Other John wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 00:02:19 +0000, Nick wrote: I never liked having my trains cancelled due to lack of staff (i.e. drivers) and I never saw a train drive perform any useful service apart from drive, this is even when trains broke down. Some years ago before I retired (11 years now) I was in a train which stopped at a station and couldn't be started again. After a few minutes the driver appeared, opened a panel in the bulkhead and thumped a row of plug-in relays. He then returned to the cab and the train moved off. A true engineer! There is quite a bit of that - some of those panels contain breakers which may need to be reset, or even tripped out to isolate a faulty system (whereby the train can continue under certain conditions). Look at Youtube and there are quite a few railway training video online - very inter |
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On 09/03/16 11:46, The Other John wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 00:02:19 +0000, Nick wrote: I never liked having my trains cancelled due to lack of staff (i.e. drivers) and I never saw a train drive perform any useful service apart from drive, this is even when trains broke down. Some years ago before I retired (11 years now) I was in a train which stopped at a station and couldn't be started again. After a few minutes the driver appeared, opened a panel in the bulkhead and thumped a row of plug-in relays. He then returned to the cab and the train moved off. A true engineer! Some years ago trains were designed to have drivers that could do that sort of thing. Driverless trains are designed not to need it. -- Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time the quo has lost its status. Laurence Peter |
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On 09/03/16 13:33, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:54:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 09/03/16 11:46, The Other John wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 00:02:19 +0000, Nick wrote: I never liked having my trains cancelled due to lack of staff (i.e. drivers) and I never saw a train drive perform any useful service apart from drive, this is even when trains broke down. Some years ago before I retired (11 years now) I was in a train which stopped at a station and couldn't be started again. After a few minutes the driver appeared, opened a panel in the bulkhead and thumped a row of plug-in relays. He then returned to the cab and the train moved off. A true engineer! Some years ago trains were designed to have drivers that could do that sort of thing. Driverless trains are designed not to need it. Tannoy announcement "This is the first driverless train to go into general service. The traveling public have absolutely no cause to be alarmed. It has multiple safety devices to protect you. Nothing can go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...go wrong.. Tannoy announcement "This is the first unmannd3ed elevator to go into general service. The travelling public have absolutely no cause to be alarmed. It has multiple safety devices to protect you. Nothing can go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...go wrong.. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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Sam Crean wrote: They may be part of the problem. But I think it is more than that. More that there is no commercial pressure to make railways efficient. And yet the monopoly phone system did away with operators even when there was no commercial pressure to make things more efficient. Yes - and we got rid of the man with the red flag walking in front of cars at about the same time. No survival of the fittest that occurs in the motor car industry. There wasn‘t with lifts either. The main problem with the railways in Britain is that there is no one with the balls of a Maggie or Murdoch prepared to take on the unions. Balls? Quite amazing the people you admire, Wodney. But then the content of the Murdoch empire is aimed at the mentally challenged. -- *If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Have you any idea of the cost of modifying all trains, signalling and track to driverless? Yep. OK. Gives us a figure. -- *If God dropped acid, would he see people? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Watts wrote: No - but apparently we cannot VAT exempt a class of items as we wish (eg like books, children's clothes other "essential" items used to be zero VAT rated). As a matter of interest, why should books be zero rated? They are hardly an essential item. And why children's clothes? Are all parents necessarily poorer than adults who buy clothes? IIRC, the UK government can set the individual VAT rate anyway. The minimum EU rate for most things is 15% - yet it's 20% in the UK. Which of course must be the fault of the EU. There are individual items which can be rated lower. Can't be bothered to look them up. VAT is a very convenient tax for a Tory government as it allows them to have lower income tax rates. Thus moving the tax burden to the lower paid. So why do you want to make it worse by adding vat to children's clothes books etc? AIUI once an item has been rated for VAT it cannot subsequently be de-rated. A national government can set its own national rate above the minimum (doesn't the EU get a cut?) but cannot reduce the rate on anything rated below that. So for example energy is rated at 5%. We cannot reduce that to zero but we could increase it to say 10% or even 20% BICBW There is (or was?) a subtle difference between "exempt" and "zero rated" but I cannot now remember what it was. -- bert |
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Tim Watts wrote: On 07/03/16 18:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim Watts wrote: No - but apparently we cannot VAT exempt a class of items as we wish (eg like books, children's clothes other "essential" items used to be zero VAT rated). As a matter of interest, why should books be zero rated? Because it was viewed as an education item and therefore essential (in a wider sense). So is a TV then. They are hardly an essential item. And why children's clothes? Are all parents necessarily poorer than adults who buy clothes? If an adult goes without that's up to them, but the idea was that children should not - or at least not due to taxation pushing the price up. Children buy their own clothes from their own income? Remember that it started out as a luxury purchase tax - an ethos I agree with, although defining "luxury" vs "essential" is hard as you just pointed out. VAT is not the same sort of tax as purchase tax. In that it's levied on services too. Certainly, IMO, things like food, water, electricity, gas and educational items should be zero rated. If you reduce the tax on one thing it will have to be raised in another way. Or you reduce government spending Something most here don't seem to grasp. Something which lefties never seem to grasp. And I'm really surprised all the right wingers here don't seem to like it, as it is proportionally unfair to the poor, and benefits the rich. Another leftie distortion. The poor spend proportionally more on zero or lower vat rated items such as food and energy. -- bert |
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Tim Watts wrote: As a matter of interest, why should books be zero rated? Because it was viewed as an education item and therefore essential (in a wider sense). So is a TV then. Well yes. But I did say it's a bit arbitrary and someone had to draw a line, and they drew a line at books. IMO reading books is more likely to enrich than a TV as it helps reading skills, spelling and vocabulary even if the reader only buys fiction. A TV has a lesser guarantee of educational enrichment. Make it a mobile phone, then. Kids who had no interest in reading etc, soon realise they have to for SMS and so on. I say it again. Whinging on about such things being 'essential' is nonsense. Food is essential. Books ain't. SO despite claiming that Vat penalises the poor and favours the rich you still want to add it to additional things which are currently no vat. Typical leftie. Never let practicality get in the way of ideology. -- bert |
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writes On 08/03/16 16:34, Tim Streater wrote: Well, there's Sid the Sexist and the two Fat Slags. If you want to see what the Fat Slags look like in real life, go to Micklegate (road) in York on a Saturday afternoon. I used to think Viz did an extreme caricature, but no, these creatures really exist! (Saturday lunchtime onwards, the more reprobate members of the north east descend on York for stag and hen parties, or a general all day ****up. Micklegate is the closest road into the city centre with the most pubs/etc. Hence they rarely get as far as the actual city centre. Often found at the station at 2am wondering when the next train to Newcastle is.) It's a new thing - never happened much in 1986 - I think they used to go abroad more (Majorca et al). Now austerity means they can't get further than York and I suspect Edinburgh is less of an option as the locals would kick the **** out of them once they started becoming a nuisance. York is the new Blackpool when it comes to hen parties. -- bert |
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writes "Tim Streater" wrote in message . .. In article , Waimer wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Frankly apart from Schengen - which isnt EU anyway,. there is nothing about the EU I like. What's not to like about no more wars in almost every generation between western european countries ? This has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with NATO. In fact it was a progression, initially NATO, then the EEC, then the EU etc. In fact it was a progression, Nato then Nato and still Nato. -- bert |
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EdF finance director resigns over Hinkley Point C
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Tim Watts wrote: Every time driverless trains or tubes are brought up, the vast majority of those who use them are against. The driverless DLR works well, but there are 2 points: 1) It's not really driverless as there's a conductor who can drive on board. They just pay him less and he does other jobs most of the time. Yes. But those who go on and on about driverless trains want to eliminate that job entirely - not just call it something else, or move the driver from the cab to elsewhere. It's standard fare. Eliminate all jobs where possible. It's called productivity and the UK is seriously behind. That is the problem with the idea that increased migration has improved the economy. It may have increased GDP but there is no universal benefit unless productivity is increased. Apart from those who decide what jobs there will be, of course. And anyone in a job - that job is always essential. -- bert |
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EdF finance director resigns over Hinkley Point C
On 09/03/16 14:47, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes It's standard fare. Eliminate all jobs where possible. It's called productivity and the UK is seriously behind. That is the problem with the idea that increased migration has improved the economy. It may have increased GDP but there is no universal benefit unless productivity is increased. Apart from those who decide what jobs there will be, of course. And anyone in a job - that job is always essential. The real point is that the classical analysis of Narx and the Left is that Labour is necessary for wealth creation, and therefore that the working man ought to share in that wealth. Or he might not work,. Today, almost no human activity results in wealth creation, its all done by machines, and there is no working class left, hence the morphing of Leftism into heterosexual champagne socialists and scabby arsed Greens and the like. The Left is simply living in the Luddite past, dreaming of an impossible future. To maximise wealth we want to eliminate labour as far as possible. That solves the problem of wealth creation, but not wealth distribution. And true to their inbred idiocy,. the Left has merely come up with the idea of massive taxation + state as employer to relocate wealth from where its made, to where its consumed by people who now have no respect for it, and whose consumption can really not be tolerated when they produce nothing of value. I don't have an answer for this, but the point is, that the Left doesn't even recognise the problem. -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote. |
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