http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496

On 14/01/2015 17:52, harryagain wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496


Which can be summarised as FIFO.

Courtesy of a boss from a former life: Fit In or F**k Off

On 14/01/2015 17:52, harryagain wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496


Brilliant!
It needed saying. We need politicians in *this* country like that...oh!
I forgot, we've got our Mr Farrage :-)

**** off ****.

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"harryagain" wrote in message
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496

Spineless Britain would not dare to say that.

On 14/01/2015 18:05, Bod wrote:
On 14/01/2015 17:52, harryagain wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496



Brilliant!
It needed saying. We need politicians in *this* country like that...oh!
I forgot, we've got our Mr Farrage :-)


Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

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On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:53:01 UTC, harry wrote:


I thought this was going to be about public address systems for minarets.

Owain

The Medway Handyman wrote:

Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779


They shouldn't be allowed to use the election system for publicity stunts.

Bill

On 14/01/2015 21:28, Bill Wright wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779


They shouldn't be allowed to use the election system for publicity stunts.

Bill

I'd put money on him beating the Green party candidate. How funny would
that be!


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On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:54:40 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 14/01/2015 21:28, Bill Wright wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779


They shouldn't be allowed to use the election system for publicity
stunts.

Well it'll cost him £500 unless he gets 5% of the vote.

Cheap at the price.

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On 14/01/2015 21:28, Bill Wright wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779


They shouldn't be allowed to use the election system for publicity stunts.

The offbeat candidates make the elections interesting.

--
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In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 14/01/2015 18:05, Bod wrote:
On 14/01/2015 17:52, harryagain wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496



Brilliant!
It needed saying. We need politicians in *this* country like that...oh!
I forgot, we've got our Mr Farrage :-)


Al Murray is standing against Nigel Farage in Thanet South.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.

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"fred" wrote in message ...


**** off ****.

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.... stuck up your arse which caused the brain damage.

I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they find it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even outraged, but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian

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"R.G. Bargy" wrote in message
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On 14/01/2015 17:52, harryagain wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-tells-4970496


Which can be summarised as FIFO.

Courtesy of a boss from a former life: Fit In or F**k Off

On 15/01/15 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they find it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even outraged, but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian


My view is:

If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need to
avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Applies to all religions where people get in a tizzy about stuff...

My advice is:

FIFO

(fit in or **** off)


and

"Your Country Needs You" Go back.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/01/15 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that
had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they find
it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even outraged,
but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian


My view is:

If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need to
avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Applies to all religions where people get in a tizzy about stuff...

It's got nothing to do with gods. It's actually about fools that are
actually
stupid enough to end up dead for something as trivial as that.

On 15/01/2015 9:15 am, john james wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/01/15 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that
had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they find
it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even outraged,
but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian


My view is:

If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need to
avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Applies to all religions where people get in a tizzy about stuff...

It's got nothing to do with gods. It's actually about fools that are
actually
stupid enough to end up dead for something as trivial as that.


Quite. One of the things I would have liked to have lived to see was
when we reached a sufficient degree of education on a global scale for
all religions and other such primitive superstitions to spontaneously
disappear up their own mythological fundaments - because until that
happens we will never have any hope of peace and co-existence. It looks
as though I will be disappointed - we're still a long way off.

--
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Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with
chocolate.

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 15/01/2015 9:15 am, john james wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/01/15 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that
had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came
out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they
find
it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even outraged,
but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate,
Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian


My view is:

If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need to
avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Applies to all religions where people get in a tizzy about stuff...

It's got nothing to do with gods. It's actually about fools that are
actually stupid enough to end up dead for something as trivial as that.

Quite. One of the things I would have liked to have lived to see
was when we reached a sufficient degree of education on a global
scale for all religions and other such primitive superstitions to
spontaneously disappear up their own mythological fundaments

Rather unlikely tho given the last few millennia of history.

- because until that happens we will never
have any hope of peace and co-existence.

It remains to be seen if that is even possible.

It looks as though I will be disappointed
- we're still a long way off.

Yeah, the god botherers are still by far the majority.

Least they don’t get to burn us at the stake anymore.

On 15/01/15 09:15, john james wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/01/15 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock
that had
Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men came
out
and hammered in the nails for the hours.
The world has not ended since then, and most people, although they
find it
in bad taste or gross, realise that its just dark humour.
So yes, in many ways people are entitled to be annoyed even
outraged, but
not go around doing people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate,
Bernard
Manning would never have lived past his 30 birthday.
Brian


My view is:

If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need
to avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Applies to all religions where people get in a tizzy about stuff...

It's got nothing to do with gods. It's actually about fools that are
actually
stupid enough to end up dead for something as trivial as that.

I think you may have missed my point...

On 15/01/2015 01:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.


I find Al Murray excruciating. I saw his show, and I simply left.
Everybody else was loving it.

On Thursday, 15 January 2015 10:19:57 UTC, GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 01:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.


I find Al Murray excruciating. I saw his show, and I simply left.
Everybody else was loving it.

you are an Al Murray and ICM5P

Jim K

On 15/01/15 10:19, GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 01:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.


I find Al Murray excruciating. I saw his show, and I simply left.
Everybody else was loving it.



Me too.

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that
had Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men
came out and hammered in the nails for the hours. The world has not
ended since then, and most people, although they find it in bad taste or
gross, realise that its just dark humour. So yes, in many ways people
are entitled to be annoyed even outraged, but not go around doing
people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard Manning would
never have lived past his 30 birthday.

It's not that long ago Mary Whitehouse initiated a trial of Gay News for
blasphemy in the UK.

It's not just Moslems who don't want anything they don't like said about
anything to do with their religion. Even more so in the US.

Freedom of speech usually means 'my right to criticise you' Commonly, not
the other way round, too.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
If your god is unable to deal with mockers and thus you feel the need to
avenge on his behalf, then you need a new god...

Quite. All gods are all powerful. If they got upset by insults they could
presumably fight their own battle. Don't need some toady doing it for them.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
My advice is:

FIFO

(fit in or **** off)

That would be fine if you applied it to every country. But of course that
wouldn't do.

Those who say this sort of thing want others to conform to their idea of
the norm - never the other way round.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 01:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.


I find Al Murray excruciating. I saw his show, and I simply left.
Everybody else was loving it.

As I said. Like Farage.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 14/01/2015 20:40, wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 17:53:01 UTC, harry wrote:


I thought this was going to be about public address systems for minarets.

Owain



Given what's going on in the world, I don't think I'd be lampooning the
prophet. It may well be as offensive to many as a cartoon of Jimmy
Saville buggering a disabled toddler might be to us. Just because we in
the west have abandoned religion in favour of shopping, doesn't mean
other people don't feel strongly about it, and doesn't stop a handful of
nutters gravitating towards a cause that allows them to kill people.
When psychopaths have god on their side, you're in big trouble.

On 15/01/2015 11:25, stuart noble wrote:

Given what's going on in the world, I don't think I'd be lampooning the
prophet. It may well be as offensive to many as a cartoon of Jimmy
Saville buggering a disabled toddler might be to us. Just because we in
the west have abandoned religion in favour of shopping, doesn't mean
other people don't feel strongly about it, and doesn't stop a handful of
nutters gravitating towards a cause that allows them to kill people.
When psychopaths have god on their side, you're in big trouble.

My thoughts exactly. We need to live in harmony with our neighbours, and
making fun of things they hold dear is not the way to go about it.

Virtually all Muslims in this country are very peaceful and law-abiding.

On 15/01/2015 11:48, Huge wrote:

An acquaintance was trying to convince me of your position a few weeks ago. I
then pointed out that she was sitting, with her face uncovered, in a pub,
drinking alcohol with a number of men unrelated to her. A situation which
would earn her 1000 lashes in some parts of the world.

(* Fit In or **** Off.)

Well, she would not do it in those parts of the world, then, would she?
She'd FIFO.

I can't see anything intrinsically wrong with laws banning alcohol or
prescribing particular dress codes. Try walking nude down Oxford Street
if you really think there are no dress codes in this country.

On 15/01/15 11:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
I can recall many Years ago there was some problem due to a clock that
had Jesus on the cross on it and the chime was every hour little men
came out and hammered in the nails for the hours. The world has not
ended since then, and most people, although they find it in bad taste or
gross, realise that its just dark humour. So yes, in many ways people
are entitled to be annoyed even outraged, but not go around doing
people harm over bad humour. At tg that rate, Bernard Manning would
never have lived past his 30 birthday.

It's not that long ago Mary Whitehouse initiated a trial of Gay News for
blasphemy in the UK.

Although I don't think she represented the majority even at that time -
and she herself became a subject of comedy.

It's not just Moslems who don't want anything they don't like said about
anything to do with their religion. Even more so in the US.

And Africa.

And (although not targetted at me) *I'm* generally careful to blame
"religion" as a whole as the christians have been just as bad as the
muslims (and still are in the whackier parts of the USA and Africa).

I dare say even the followers of the Roman, Greek and Norse gods did
their bit to "educate" unbelievers.


Freedom of speech usually means 'my right to criticise you' Commonly, not
the other way round, too.


I'm all for that. I've noticed the only group who get the **** taken out
of them on TV are gingers (Citizen Khan, target Dave the white
ginger-haired mosque manager) and maybe some slight ribbing in Dr Who
(Amy Pond).

Is that because gingers don't have an effective lobbying group?

On 15/01/15 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
My advice is:

FIFO

(fit in or **** off)

That would be fine if you applied it to every country. But of course that
wouldn't do.

Those who say this sort of thing want others to conform to their idea of
the norm - never the other way round.


Dunno - ever tried holding a german sausage and beer party in Iran?

On 15/01/15 09:14, DerbyBorn wrote:
My advice is:

FIFO

(fit in or **** off)


As said the Muslim Bergemeester of Rotterdam.

And he was very clearly addressing his comments to murdering jihadist
nutters, not regular joes.



I really do not get these nutjobs.

The majority of muslims I know carry on like everyone else - you only
tend to be particularly aware they are muslims when it's Ramadan - rest
of the time it doesn't really come up - like any other religion.

All these thugs are doing is polarising a bunch of people against them,
and polarising the knuckle draggers and hard-of-thinking against all
muslims. And it's not just "whites" vs "muslims". The nutjobs have
managed to drag the jews into this one too.

On 15/01/15 11:25, stuart noble wrote:

Given what's going on in the world, I don't think I'd be lampooning the
prophet. It may well be as offensive to many as a cartoon of Jimmy
Saville buggering a disabled toddler might be to us.

That's probably quite an illustrative example.

However, in the latter case, there would be extreme outrage and many
letters to the Daily Mail and Twitter would explode. Quite possibly
legal injunctions would follow. But I very much doubt anyone would shoot
anyone.

Part of the problem here is that ridiculously OTT reactions just invite
further ridicule, either to "defend free speech" or "just because".

Just because we in
the west have abandoned religion in favour of shopping, doesn't mean
other people don't feel strongly about it, and doesn't stop a handful of
nutters gravitating towards a cause that allows them to kill people.


When psychopaths have god on their side, you're in big trouble.

That does seem to be the universal constant. Look at the old testament
for a bit of "righteous smiting". It's full of it - either god does the
smiting or his little helpers do it for him.

On 15/01/15 11:51, GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 11:25, stuart noble wrote:

Given what's going on in the world, I don't think I'd be lampooning the
prophet. It may well be as offensive to many as a cartoon of Jimmy
Saville buggering a disabled toddler might be to us. Just because we in
the west have abandoned religion in favour of shopping, doesn't mean
other people don't feel strongly about it, and doesn't stop a handful of
nutters gravitating towards a cause that allows them to kill people.
When psychopaths have god on their side, you're in big trouble.

My thoughts exactly. We need to live in harmony with our neighbours, and
making fun of things they hold dear is not the way to go about it.

I disagree slightly. I would prefer to live in a country where "they"
feel free to take the **** out of "me" and vice versa. I think it's
actually far healthier than everyone being all repressed.


There's a huge chasm between taking the **** and tormenting someone.



Virtually all Muslims in this country are very peaceful and law-abiding.

On 15/01/15 12:41, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, GB wrote:

I can't see anything intrinsically wrong with laws banning alcohol

Fortunately, you're never going to be in a position to enact them.


here

I think I see GB's point - he said "intrinsically". I don't think he was
suggesting sharia law was an OK thing to enact in England. But if some
other country wants to, that's their business.

On 15/01/15 12:42, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 11:25, stuart noble wrote:

Given what's going on in the world, I don't think I'd be lampooning the
prophet. It may well be as offensive to many as a cartoon of Jimmy
Saville buggering a disabled toddler might be to us. Just because we in
the west have abandoned religion in favour of shopping, doesn't mean
other people don't feel strongly about it, and doesn't stop a handful of
nutters gravitating towards a cause that allows them to kill people.
When psychopaths have god on their side, you're in big trouble.

My thoughts exactly. We need to live in harmony with our neighbours, and
making fun of things they hold dear is not the way to go about it.

And will they return the favour?

Which is the $64,000 question.

And why 'mutual respect' only works if both parties agree to do it.

Frankly, if someone hates me, tries to take everything I have, and
enforces a code of conduct on me that I think is insane and will make my
life nasty, brutish and short, its all very well saying I must respect
his position, if as long as I respect it while I drive a bayonet through
his throat.


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 15/01/2015 11:56, GB wrote:
Try walking nude down Oxford Street if you really think there are no
dress codes in this country.
See "naked rambler" for example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29800016

On 15/01/2015 11:43 am, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, GB wrote:
On 15/01/2015 01:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite. Not sure who is the better comedian.


I find Al Murray excruciating. I saw his show, and I simply left.
Everybody else was loving it.

Humour is very personal. I have a long list of so-called "comedians" who
I find utterly unfunny; Reeves & Mortimer, Ben Elton and Ricky Gervais
for starters.



My list is not very long, but Al Murray and your three are high on the
list, along with Noel Fielding.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

No, I haven't got a personality disorder - all three of us are just fine!

On 15/01/15 13:01, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/01/15 12:41, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, GB wrote:

I can't see anything intrinsically wrong with laws banning alcohol

Fortunately, you're never going to be in a position to enact them.


here

I think I see GB's point - he said "intrinsically". I don't think he was
suggesting sharia law was an OK thing to enact in England. But if some
other country wants to, that's their business.

The only way out of the moral maze is to understand that there is no
absolute arbiter of morality. In fact assuming that there is and using
it to justify repression of other peoples views is the great evil in the
world that comes from religions.

If you realign your moral compass away from absolute directives and
towards 'what works in this locale's socio-economic context' to promote
survival of that socio economic context, you can see that so called
'liberal Christian' values when applied in a European context work
better than mediaeval moralities better suited to a herding society in a
semi-desert ...

At which point the moral maze is solved: those that want to live like
semi-literate cattle herders should go to places where that is the
viable lifestyle. If they want the benefits accruing from a modern
industrial civilisation, they should adapt to the mores of the locale,
or **** off.

Because if they import their morality and impose it, they will in the
end destroy the society they import it to. And the socio-economic engine
that allows them to live there.

Perhaps that is the aim of the people who fill their heads with such
nonsense.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll