Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers
on top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up
by the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Is it this mob

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm

It happens that CB formulated :
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Is it this mob

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm

Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:07:29 PM UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm
Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

But you can ask them, and they should respond

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...nformation.htm

West Yorkshire Police manage FOI responses for the Camera Partnership

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/...rkshire_police

Owain

explained :
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:07:29 PM UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm
Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

But you can ask them, and they should respond

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...nformation.htm

West Yorkshire Police manage FOI responses for the Camera Partnership

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/...rkshire_police

Owain

Thanks, I have emailed them to ask them - lets see what they have to
say..

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers
on top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up
by the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

In Surrey the "partneship" is between the police & County Highways
department. Their vehicles are usually spotted on a decent bit of dual
carriageway which, for some unaccountable reason has had the speed limit
reduced to 50mph.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers
on top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up
by the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Just made a small correction to your post



In Surrey the "partneship" is between the police & County Highways
department. Their vehicles are usually "FOR SOME ACCOUNTABLE FINANCIAL
REASON" spotted on a decent bit of dual
carriageway which, for some unaccountable reason has had the speed limit
reduced to 50mph.


No **** Sherlock

Bunch of ****s the lot of them. Money grasping Fagins that have **** all to
do with road safey.


--
Adam

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield writes:
It happens that CB formulated :
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Is it this mob

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm

Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

They can't be funded from the fines - the government quite rightly
killed that by taking the fines itself, because it was turning into
a revenue generation operation.

They can derive revenue from the retraining courses if drivers choose
to take them instead of points and fine.

They can be funded by the council. Although the government withdrew
the specific funding for speed cameras, councils can still fund them
themselves if they can find the resources and think they are a good
use of funds.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article , ARW
wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Harry
Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers
on top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked
up by the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Just made a small correction to your post



In Surrey the "partneship" is between the police & County Highways
department. Their vehicles are usually "FOR SOME ACCOUNTABLE FINANCIAL
REASON" spotted on a decent bit of dual carriageway which, for some
unaccountable reason has had the speed limit reduced to 50mph.


No **** Sherlock

Bunch of ****s the lot of them. Money grasping Fagins that have **** all
to do with road safey.

Presumably you've been caught by them?

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

In message , ARW
writes
"charles" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers
on top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up
by the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Just made a small correction to your post



In Surrey the "partneship" is between the police & County Highways
department. Their vehicles are usually "FOR SOME ACCOUNTABLE
FINANCIAL REASON" spotted on a decent bit of dual
carriageway which, for some unaccountable reason has had the speed limit
reduced to 50mph.


No **** Sherlock

Bunch of ****s the lot of them. Money grasping Fagins that have ****
all to do with road safey.


It's not compulsory to get speeding fines.
--
Chris French

On 17/12/2014 20:35, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield writes:
It happens that CB formulated :
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...

Is it this mob

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm

Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

They can't be funded from the fines - the government quite rightly
killed that by taking the fines itself, because it was turning into
a revenue generation operation.

They can derive revenue from the retraining courses if drivers choose
to take them instead of points and fine.

I went of one of those last year. 23 people @ £85 each. £1955 in takings.

Wages for 2 'trainers' for half a day, rent of rugby club bar, total
cost no more than £500.

Nice little earner.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 17/12/2014 22:41, Chris French wrote:

It's not compulsory to get speeding fines.

Its actually quite difficult, you have to drive around with your eyes
closed and with a lead foot.

I think people snapped by yellow cameras need a compulsory eye test as
well as a ban.

On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...


I don't know what outfit they are, but you need to move out of Bradford
for a start, then you won't see them, lol

BobH formulated on Thursday :
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...


I don't know what outfit they are, but you need to move out of Bradford for a
start, then you won't see them, lol

I don't actually live in Bradford, or near Bradford. I had a regular
visit there to a custmer - as I explained in my second para.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 18/12/2014 10:47, Jethro_uk wrote:

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually tells
you what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather than less usefully
what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you, at
whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

A slight issue: the very latest TomToms don't, yet, have the facility
for uploading the database, but my Go 930 does. TomTom imagine their
decision to not incorporate the facility is an improvement but feedback
seems to be persuading them of the error of their ways.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

On 18/12/2014 10:24, BobH wrote:
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...


I don't know what outfit they are, but you need to move out of Bradford
for a start, then you won't see them, lol

You will. They are 'responsible' for cameras in Leeds too.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

On 17/12/2014 19:21, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:07:29 PM UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm
Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

But you can ask them, and they should respond

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...nformation.htm

West Yorkshire Police manage FOI responses for the Camera Partnership

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/...rkshire_police

Ever since they had to pay me 'compensation' after they failed to
respond correctly (they were downright deliberately evasive) to my FoI
enquiry and my complaint to the Information Commissioner was upheld.

We have 11 cameras in less than a 6 mile stretch and none of them meet
the criteria for installation.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

On 18/12/2014 11:23, F wrote:
On 17/12/2014 19:21, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:07:29 PM UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm
Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

But you can ask them, and they should respond

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...nformation.htm

West Yorkshire Police manage FOI responses for the Camera Partnership

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/...rkshire_police

Ever since they had to pay me 'compensation' after they failed to
respond correctly (they were downright deliberately evasive) to my FoI
enquiry and my complaint to the Information Commissioner was upheld.

We have 11 cameras in less than a 6 mile stretch and none of them meet
the criteria for installation.


If they are run by the police the requirements are different and they
can be totally invisible if they want.

On 18/12/2014 13:51, Dennis@home wrote:
On 18/12/2014 11:23, F wrote:
On 17/12/2014 19:21, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:07:29 PM UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...le-cameras.htm
Yes, thanks. I just need to know now how they are are funded and is it
essentially a self funding operation. The site doesn't give much away.

But you can ask them, and they should respond

http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshir...nformation.htm

West Yorkshire Police manage FOI responses for the Camera Partnership

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/...rkshire_police

Ever since they had to pay me 'compensation' after they failed to
respond correctly (they were downright deliberately evasive) to my FoI
enquiry and my complaint to the Information Commissioner was upheld.

We have 11 cameras in less than a 6 mile stretch and none of them meet
the criteria for installation.


If they are run by the police the requirements are different and they
can be totally invisible if they want.

When they were installed by the '*speed*camerapartnership', none of them
met the criteria.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

F submitted this idea :
On 18/12/2014 10:24, BobH wrote:
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of, had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...


I don't know what outfit they are, but you need to move out of Bradford
for a start, then you won't see them, lol

You will. They are 'responsible' for cameras in Leeds too.

Fixed cameras on poles, but I have never seen one of their mobiles
vans, ever in Leeds.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually
tells you what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather
than less usefully what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.

Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on
your TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn
you, at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest
approach of speed cameras in small vans etc and
for the cops on the road as well.

A slight issue: the very latest TomToms don't, yet, have the facility
for uploading the database, but my Go 930 does. TomTom imagine
their decision to not incorporate the facility is an improvement but
feedback seems to be persuading them of the error of their ways.

I've given up on the tomtom and use the smartphone entirely now.

Much more convenient with a destination in
an email or a web site and much better for
voice setup while driving than a tomtom too.

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2014-12-17, charles wrote:
In article , ARW
wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Harry

[18 lines snipped]

In Surrey the "partneship" is between the police & County Highways
department. Their vehicles are usually "FOR SOME ACCOUNTABLE FINANCIAL
REASON" spotted on a decent bit of dual carriageway which, for some
unaccountable reason has had the speed limit reduced to 50mph.


No **** Sherlock

Bunch of ****s the lot of them. Money grasping Fagins that have **** all
to do with road safey.

Presumably you've been caught by them?

Even if he has, I haven't, and I agree completely with his attitude.



Of course I have been caught out, but considering the mileage I do (often
speeding especially on M-Ways) I believe that my mileage to Scamera vans
capture ratio is quite low. However I usually know the sort of place they
hang out - normally on safe roads with very little traffic, no history of
bad road accidents and they are hidden just behind the camouflaged cash cow.

As a responsible motorist I always warn oncoming traffic if there is a
Scamera van ahead of them.

--
Adam

"Dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 17/12/2014 22:41, Chris French wrote:

It's not compulsory to get speeding fines.

Its actually quite difficult, you have to drive around with your eyes
closed and with a lead foot.

I think people snapped by yellow cameras need a compulsory eye test as
well as a ban.


Or false number plates.

--
Adam

On 18/12/2014 18:51, Rod Speed wrote:
F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually tells you
what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather than less usefully
what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.
Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you,
at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest approach of speed
cameras in small vans etc and
for the cops on the road as well.

As usual, and as others have noted, you haven't a clue.

Cue usual garbage response...

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

On 18/12/2014 18:28, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
F submitted this idea :
On 18/12/2014 10:24, BobH wrote:
On 17/12/2014 18:53, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Excuse if I don't know what I'm talking about, but to be honest I
don't..

Bradford, a building which I was responsible for a tenants floor of,
had
a ground floor occupied by some sort of speed partnership outfit.

Vans fitted with speed cameras, marked up police, but orange
flashers on
top and driven by not the police. You would often see them parked up by
the road side around Bradford, doing their thing.

Anyone tell me what outfit they were please?

Google and Wikipedia seems not very helpful on this...


I don't know what outfit they are, but you need to move out of Bradford
for a start, then you won't see them, lol

You will. They are 'responsible' for cameras in Leeds too.

Fixed cameras on poles, but I have never seen one of their mobiles vans,
ever in Leeds.

Ah! I took the reference to be all of the speed cameras they use so, no,
I've not seen any of the vans in Leeds.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

F news@nowhere wrote
Rod Speed wrote
F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that
actually tells you what the speed limit will be 400m ahead,
rather than less usefully what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.

Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you,
at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest approach of speed
cameras in small vans etc and for the cops on the road as well.

As usual, and as others have noted, you haven't a clue.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

F wrote:
On 18/12/2014 18:51, Rod Speed wrote:
F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually tells you
what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather than less usefully
what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.
Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you,
at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest approach of speed
cameras in small vans etc and
for the cops on the road as well.

As usual, and as others have noted, you haven't a clue.

Cue usual garbage response...

As it is garbage response I wonder,could you explain how speed camera
databases cover mobile and non fixed speed cameras

On 19/12/2014 00:41, F Murtz wrote:
F wrote:
On 18/12/2014 18:51, Rod Speed wrote:
F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually tells you
what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather than less usefully
what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.
Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you,
at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest approach of speed
cameras in small vans etc and
for the cops on the road as well.

As usual, and as others have noted, you haven't a clue.

Cue usual garbage response...

As it is garbage response I wonder,could you explain how speed camera
databases cover mobile and non fixed speed cameras

The reference to a garbage response was to the *expected* response from
Wodders. He didn't let me down: 'You never could bull**** your way out
of a wet paper bag'.

However, if you take the trouble to check the URL I gave, you'll find
that mobile and variable speed cameras are included in the database.

--
F

www.vulcantothesky.org - keep the last remaining Vulcan flying

"F" news@nowhere wrote in message
o.uk...
On 19/12/2014 00:41, F Murtz wrote:
F wrote:
On 18/12/2014 18:51, Rod Speed wrote:
F news@nowhere wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

Hence my Dragons Den suggestion of a sat nav that actually tells you
what the speed limit will be 400m ahead, rather than less usefully
what the speed limit is now.

It already exists.

Nope.
Stick the speed camera database from www.pocketgpsworld.com on your
TomTom (other satnavs are available) and you can set it to warn you,
at whatever distance you choose, of the actual limit at the camera.

Speed camera databases are useless for the latest approach of speed
cameras in small vans etc and
for the cops on the road as well.

As usual, and as others have noted, you haven't a clue.

Cue usual garbage response...

As it is garbage response I wonder,could you explain how speed camera
databases cover mobile and non fixed speed cameras

However, if you take the trouble to check the URL I gave, you'll find that
mobile and variable speed cameras are included in the database.

Not even possible.

In message , Huge
writes

"Dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 17/12/2014 22:41, Chris French wrote:

It's not compulsory to get speeding fines.

Its actually quite difficult, you have to drive around with your eyes
closed and with a lead foot.

I think people snapped by yellow cameras need a compulsory eye test as
well as a ban.

I think you're a ****.

For those of us who don't use sat nav systems, I think speed limit
repeater signs are valuable. With the current vogue for 20,30 and then
40mph limits on leaving a built up area, I often find myself trying to
guess the distance between lamp posts. Particularly when they are
alternated on either side of the road.

Speed limits have to be set at a level for all users at all expected
traffic conditions. Inevitably, there must be occasions when experienced
drivers in modern vehicles could drive safely at higher speeds. Finding
Dennis and me bumbling along at 33mph must be incredibly frustrating:-)


--
Tim Lamb

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:
However, if you take the trouble to check the URL I gave, you'll find
that mobile and variable speed cameras are included in the database.

Not even possible.
Oh, do you mean you can't check the URL? other people find it possible!

On the point of mobile cameras, databases are available and sat navs will
warn of the mobile site - it doesn't mean there will be a camera there.

The sat nav warns of variable speed camera sites even when the national
limit applies.

Newspapers regularly publish the locations of speed checking areas for the
coming month or so. It is in everyone's interest to reduce the number of
serious and fatal traffic accidents

John

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

On 19/12/2014 14:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
....
TBH, it's hard not to get the impression that these 40/30/40 roads are
designed to rack up fines, since, with any more than a lone car, you
eventually wind up with the entire stretch going at 30 anyway. So you may
as well have had the whole road set to 30. Save metal and CO2 emissions.
If that mattered.


It is a result of a DfT guideline that speed limits should not reduce by
more than 20mph in one step, so you get 60mph / 40mph / 30mph / 40mph /
60 mph and 70mph / 50mph / 30mph / 50mph / 70mph wherever that guideline
has been implemented.


--
Colin Bignell

On 19/12/2014 14:36, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:21:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
....
For those of us who don't use sat nav systems, I think speed limit
repeater signs are valuable. With the current vogue for 20,30 and then
40mph limits on leaving a built up area, I often find myself trying to
guess the distance between lamp posts.

Why ? What does the distance have to do with it ? The law is unless
otherwise indicated, the speed limit on a road with a network (apparently
more than 3) of streetlights is 30mph.

A system is at least three lights, which must be provided to light the
road, and, in England and Wales, they must be no more than 183 metres
(200 yards) apart for the speed limit to apply.

--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 19/12/2014 14:36, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:21:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
...
For those of us who don't use sat nav systems, I think speed limit
repeater signs are valuable. With the current vogue for 20,30 and then
40mph limits on leaving a built up area, I often find myself trying to
guess the distance between lamp posts.

Why ? What does the distance have to do with it ? The law is unless
otherwise indicated, the speed limit on a road with a network
(apparently more than 3) of streetlights is 30mph.

A system is at least three lights, which must be provided to light the
road, and, in England and Wales, they must be no more than 183 metres
(200 yards) apart for the speed limit to apply.

You can also have a 30mph limit with no lights, but there must be repeater
signs.

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On 19/12/2014 15:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:36:57 +0000, Nightjar \"cpb\"@ wrote:

On 19/12/2014 14:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
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TBH, it's hard not to get the impression that these 40/30/40 roads are
designed to rack up fines, since, with any more than a lone car, you
eventually wind up with the entire stretch going at 30 anyway. So you
may as well have had the whole road set to 30. Save metal and CO2
emissions. If that mattered.


It is a result of a DfT guideline that speed limits should not reduce by
more than 20mph in one step, so you get 60mph / 40mph / 30mph / 40mph /
60 mph and 70mph / 50mph / 30mph / 50mph / 70mph wherever that guideline
has been implemented.

Guideline, but not law clearly. Theres an NSL to 30mph transition a
couple of miles from me.


It requires a traffic order to change the limits, so there will still be
plenty of places where it has not yet been implemented.

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Colin Bignell

On 19/12/2014 15:54, charles wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 19/12/2014 14:36, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:21:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
...
For those of us who don't use sat nav systems, I think speed limit
repeater signs are valuable. With the current vogue for 20,30 and then
40mph limits on leaving a built up area, I often find myself trying to
guess the distance between lamp posts.

Why ? What does the distance have to do with it ? The law is unless
otherwise indicated, the speed limit on a road with a network
(apparently more than 3) of streetlights is 30mph.

A system is at least three lights, which must be provided to light the
road, and, in England and Wales, they must be no more than 183 metres
(200 yards) apart for the speed limit to apply.

You can also have a 30mph limit with no lights, but there must be repeater
signs.


As there must be if the lights are more than 183 metres (185 metres in
Scotland) apart or the lights are deemed not to be there to light the
road. A number of speeding prosecutions were overturned several years
ago at Littlehampton, when it was ruled that the lights were there to
illuminate the promenade, not the road. Repeater signs quickly appeared.

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Colin Bignell

On 19/12/2014 15:54, charles wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 19/12/2014 14:36, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:21:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:
...
For those of us who don't use sat nav systems, I think speed limit
repeater signs are valuable. With the current vogue for 20,30 and then
40mph limits on leaving a built up area, I often find myself trying to
guess the distance between lamp posts.

Why ? What does the distance have to do with it ? The law is unless
otherwise indicated, the speed limit on a road with a network
(apparently more than 3) of streetlights is 30mph.

A system is at least three lights, which must be provided to light the
road, and, in England and Wales, they must be no more than 183 metres
(200 yards) apart for the speed limit to apply.

You can also have a 30mph limit with no lights, but there must be repeater
signs.

And living in a rural area where there is an increasing trend for limits
of some sort on unlit, what used to be NSL roads, the authorities seem
keen enough to put up the repeater signs in the first place but then
cant be bothered to trim the vegetation so that they disappear into the
hedges.

I cant help thinking that might be a reasonable case to fight a speeding
ticket - not that I intend to deliberately get one to find out.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:29:25 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:


Banning all traffic would also reduce accidents. So his point was *what*
precisely?

That we're going to see an awful load more A roads where you _could_
safely do 70, but the limit is actually 50 or 40.

It was quite an illuminating debate. The attendee who raised the point
became almost physically aggressive in his rant at the instructor. red
face and all. It was clear that he had every intention of doing what
speed he wanted, and sod the consequences.

Would you know if he "passed" the course? ISTR that if the instructors
feel that if an attendee has not showed any sign of giving the course
contents sufficient consideration with at least some indication that
driving habits may change then the procedure for prosecution for any
offence may still be invoked.
Ranting at the instructor in the way you describe by the bloke sounds
like he would be the sort of person that could happen to.

G.Harman

On 19/12/2014 13:57, A. N. Other wrote:
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:
However, if you take the trouble to check the URL I gave, you'll find
that mobile and variable speed cameras are included in the database.

Not even possible.
Oh, do you mean you can't check the URL? other people find it possible!

On the point of mobile cameras, databases are available and sat navs will
warn of the mobile site - it doesn't mean there will be a camera there.

Especially when its easy to add cameras to the database.

On 19/12/2014 14:40, Jethro_uk wrote:


That said, 01:00 on a deserted motorway, seems a shame to stick at 70


But can you see far enough at that time?