On 25/12/2014 12:13, tony sayer wrote:
In article . com,
Dennis@home scribeth thus
On 24/12/2014 20:40, tony sayer wrote:

You married Dennis?, ever tried telling the MIL to shut up or walk;!?...

She can't hear, its probably the soil stopping her from hearing.

Very fortunate for you she hasn't read that or else that would be it
trust me U sod;!....


Unless you go and dig here up shes not going to see it.

On 26/12/2014 14:33, wrote:
Going into the next village via dual carriageway recently I spotted a
camera van in the distance ahead and tootled past at a sedate thirty.
Returning home I passed in the opposite direction at thirty until I
saw the fifty limit start sign when I increased my speed gently.
Discovered the misbegotten wretch in the van was aiming at cars
leaving the thirty limit when I received an unwelcome letter. I asked
to see the photographic evidence and it's seriously annoying to have
a photo of the back of the car with the fifty limit sign in full view
and my speed shown as thirtyfive. I look forward to finding a camera
van on fire in one of the more robust neighbourhoods. For sure I
won't stop to help.


They can film in more than one direction at a time.
The speed limit starts at the sign not 200 yards before or after.

In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:

There is driving and there is driving.

Now as I am a bit of a **** I decided to alter the "Home" address on one of
the works satnavs to teach a ****ing know it all I'm the best driver in the
world 3rd year apprentices a lesson, He was working in Erith and I changed
the home address for TMH's home address. He was halfway to Rochester on the
A2 before he realised he was going in the wrong direction.

The daft **** totally missed the Dartford crossing and followed the sat nav.


My older daughter was taking the younger one to a rock music fest
somewhere in darkest Dorsetshire a few years ago. They were lost, eldest
followed the sat nav as if it were the truth in all matters.

Youngest told her that they were going the wrong direction as the sun
was in the wrong place after I once gave her a short lecture of finding
your way around sans satnav and map etc!.

Did the older pay any attention, is what we all want to know? Did they
get there?

Yes they did and the older one took the younger's word for it!.

What was rather odd was that none of the locals there knew of the place
and where it was. ...


Or are they still driving around darkest Dorsetshire? Are
their names Marie and Celeste?


Nope, they were on land wouldn't be appropriate else...

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On 26/12/2014 14:33, wrote:
Going into the next village via dual carriageway recently I spotted a camera van in the distance ahead and tootled past at a sedate thirty. Returning home I passed in the opposite direction at thirty until I saw the fifty limit start sign when I increased my speed gently. Discovered the misbegotten wretch in the van was aiming at cars leaving the thirty limit when I received an unwelcome letter. I asked to see the photographic evidence and it's seriously annoying to have a photo of the back of the car with the fifty limit sign in full view and my speed shown as thirtyfive.
I look forward to finding a camera van on fire in one of the more robust neighbourhoods. For sure I won't stop to help.

A few weeks back they were doing one of those voluntary speedwatch
things. As I drove into the village I saw something new on the side of
the road, so I was looking at it as I it lit up 34 for an instant, then
dropped to 33, then off about as I went through the limit sign.

Then I got a letter from the local police saying that I'd been doing
35... I can't write back and complain, because after all 33 would be an
admission of guilt. But I daresay if there _is_ a real policeman, and I
get it further wrong, they'll see that 35 in their records and have me
tagged...

Andy

On 26/12/14 14:33, wrote:
Going into the next village via dual carriageway recently I spotted a
camera van in the distance ahead and tootled past at a sedate thirty.
Returning home I passed in the opposite direction at thirty until I
saw the fifty limit start sign when I increased my speed gently.
Discovered the misbegotten wretch in the van was aiming at cars
leaving the thirty limit when I received an unwelcome letter. I asked
to see the photographic evidence and it's seriously annoying to have
a photo of the back of the car with the fifty limit sign in full view
and my speed shown as thirtyfive. I look forward to finding a camera
van on fire in one of the more robust neighbourhoods. For sure I
won't stop to help.


Whilst you might not get anywhere in a court with that, if that were me,
that photo would be on a blog, and tweeted, FB'd and emailed to a couple
of rags who like that sort of story (DM, Sun maybe).

Policing is still by consent and I would make damn sure they were so
ridiculed for that one episode they'd think twice about setting up a
camera in such a fashion again.

On 26/12/14 14:46, Dennis@home wrote:

The speed limit starts at the sign not 200 yards before or after.

Thank you Detective Inspector Dennis...

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.


No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

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On 27/12/2014 09:50, alan_m wrote:
No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

You end up in a crazy place with the locations of cameras and "There
have been xxx accidents" signs.

If they work, then the accident rate will drop to the point at which
they are no longer justified. But if they are then moved you would
expect the accident rate to rise again...

If they don't work, there is no point other than "We tried to do
something" and blame shifting.

That's aside from the fact that "nnn accidents in last 18 months" is
inherently variable. So the sign should regularly be reviewed and updated.

--
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On 27/12/2014 10:48, polygonum wrote:


If they work, then the accident rate will drop to the point at which
they are no longer justified. But if they are then moved you would
expect the accident rate to rise again...


in 99.99% of cases if they did not erect a camera the result would be
the same - Google "regression to the mean".



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On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:50:05 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.

No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3 years (or similar numbers).

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In article , Vir
Campestris scribeth thus
On 26/12/2014 14:33, wrote:
Going into the next village via dual carriageway recently I spotted a camera
van in the distance ahead and tootled past at a sedate thirty. Returning home I
passed in the opposite direction at thirty until I saw the fifty limit start
sign when I increased my speed gently. Discovered the misbegotten wretch in the
van was aiming at cars leaving the thirty limit when I received an unwelcome
letter. I asked to see the photographic evidence and it's seriously annoying to
have a photo of the back of the car with the fifty limit sign in full view and
my speed shown as thirtyfive.
I look forward to finding a camera van on fire in one of the more robust
neighbourhoods. For sure I won't stop to help.




A few weeks back they were doing one of those voluntary speedwatch
things. As I drove into the village I saw something new on the side of
the road, so I was looking at it as I it lit up 34 for an instant, then
dropped to 33, then off about as I went through the limit sign.

Then I got a letter from the local police saying that I'd been doing
35... I can't write back and complain, because after all 33 would be an
admission of guilt. But I daresay if there _is_ a real policeman, and I
get it further wrong, they'll see that 35 in their records and have me
tagged...

Andy

In such an instance how do thy know it was your can that was being read
as it were, not another car nearby going the other direction etc
upsetting the reading?.

FWIW theres one of they near Gt Abingdon on the road from Cambs to
Haverhill thats doing that now, seems the speedo over reads by some 5
mph
--
Tony Sayer

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:50:05 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.

No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).

The thing that's missing from that last line is "within x km of the
camera location" ( I cant remember what x is)

A couple of years ago we had a brand new junction onto the A303. It came
from Day 1 with a speed camera at the point the new junction joined the
dual carriageway. There was no history of accidents at this particular
location but a roundabout approximately 1.5 mile away was a bit of a
black spot.

--
CB

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:28:53 -0000, CB wrote:

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:50:05 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.

No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).

The thing that's missing from that last line is "within x km of the
camera location" ( I cant remember what x is)

A couple of years ago we had a brand new junction onto the A303. It came
from Day 1 with a speed camera at the point the new junction joined the
dual carriageway. There was no history of accidents at this particular
location but a roundabout approximately 1.5 mile away was a bit of a
black spot.

Then that is a very stupid end to the rule. How can the speed at that point affect the number of accidents 1.5 miles away?

I've never actually seen a speed camera on a newly built road until it's been there 4 or 5 years, which would back up the original rule without your bit on the end.

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On 27/12/2014 17:30, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , tony sayer
wrote:

In such an instance how do they know it was your car that was being read
as it were, not another car nearby going the other direction etc
upsetting the reading?.

FWIW theres one of theym near Gt Abingdon on the road from Cambs to
Haverhill thats doing that now, seems the speedo over reads by some 5
mph

Very dodgy road that as I recall.

There are a number of shrines along it, presumably to people who have
died. So they reduced the speed limit to 50 in spots.

In most of which I can't imagine how you could have come off the road at
100, never mind 50.

I know another place where they put a camera half-way between two
junctions on an urban dual carriageway. There had been a number of
incidents at each junction, and they were of course all with half a mile
of the camera. And none within 3/8ths.

And another where several yobbos in stolen cars killed themselves - one
into a kids playground at about 2am. Must protect the kids, so they put
up a camera. That'll help a lot, won't it.

Andy

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).


Accidents or deaths? One accident can result in more than one death.

Close to where I live, a decade or so there were a few deaths from cars
crossing a central reservation on very slight bend in the road. As a
result they put up a couple of safety cameras but it didn't stop the
accidents. What did stop the accidents was installing a central crash
barrier.

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).

Accidents or deaths? One accident can result in more than one death.

I think it means at least one person required medical attention.

Close to where I live, a decade or so there were a few deaths from cars
crossing a central reservation on very slight bend in the road. As a
result they put up a couple of safety cameras but it didn't stop the
accidents. What did stop the accidents was installing a central crash
barrier.

They don't always think before they install things. I often come across things like keep left signs on pedestrian islands that block the driver's vision of oncoming traffic on the main road.

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In message , Uncle Peter writes
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:28:53 -0000, CB wrote:

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:50:05 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.

No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).

The thing that's missing from that last line is "within x km of the
camera location" ( I cant remember what x is)

A couple of years ago we had a brand new junction onto the A303. It came
from Day 1 with a speed camera at the point the new junction joined the
dual carriageway. There was no history of accidents at this particular
location but a roundabout approximately 1.5 mile away was a bit of a
black spot.

Then that is a very stupid end to the rule. How can the speed at that
point affect the number of accidents 1.5 miles away?

I've never actually seen a speed camera on a newly built road until
it's been there 4 or 5 years, which would back up the original rule
without your bit on the end.

Rule or guideline?
--
bert

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:56:05 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Uncle Peter writes
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:28:53 -0000, CB wrote:

On 27/12/2014 14:42, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:50:05 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 23/12/2014 22:40, Uncle Peter wrote:

They have fixed places where there are more accidents.

No, they have fixed cameras where there have been accidents but that
doesn't mean that it's a accident black spot or a dangerous road.

The rules state there must have been 4 serious accidents in the last 3
years (or similar numbers).

The thing that's missing from that last line is "within x km of the
camera location" ( I cant remember what x is)

A couple of years ago we had a brand new junction onto the A303. It came
from Day 1 with a speed camera at the point the new junction joined the
dual carriageway. There was no history of accidents at this particular
location but a roundabout approximately 1.5 mile away was a bit of a
black spot.

Then that is a very stupid end to the rule. How can the speed at that
point affect the number of accidents 1.5 miles away?

I've never actually seen a speed camera on a newly built road until
it's been there 4 or 5 years, which would back up the original rule
without your bit on the end.

Rule or guideline?

AFAIK it's a rule, you can contest a camera shouldn't have been there if there's never been accidents nearby.

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article . com,


You have to learn not to allow the others to distract you. If they are
you have to tell them to stop it or walk. Its the same with mobiles, you
just stop taking any notice of the people if the road conditions need
your attention.

You married Dennis?, ever tried telling the MIL to shut up or walk;!?...

I can remember my Dad doing that. My Mum was driving and she had made a
complete ******** of pulling out at a junction and my Dad swore.

My Grandma said "Bob if you swear again I'll get out and catch the bus
home"

My Dad's next words were "Lynn, pull up at the ****ing bus stop your
Mother
wants to catch the ****ing bus home"



And did she;?....

Yes and she hit the kerb whilst doing so.



--
Adam

"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 27/12/2014 17:30, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , tony sayer
wrote:

In such an instance how do they know it was your car that was being read
as it were, not another car nearby going the other direction etc
upsetting the reading?.

FWIW theres one of theym near Gt Abingdon on the road from Cambs to
Haverhill thats doing that now, seems the speedo over reads by some 5
mph

Very dodgy road that as I recall.

There are a number of shrines along it, presumably to people who have
died. So they reduced the speed limit to 50 in spots.

In most of which I can't imagine how you could have come off the road at
100, never mind 50.

I know another place where they put a camera half-way between two
junctions on an urban dual carriageway. There had been a number of
incidents at each junction, and they were of course all with half a mile
of the camera. And none within 3/8ths.

Sounds about right considering that the people instaling them could not give
a **** about road safety.

And another where several yobbos in stolen cars killed themselves - one
into a kids playground at about 2am. Must protect the kids, so they put up
a camera. That'll help a lot, won't it.

Just like the A61 between Wakefield and Barnsley. And drivers of stolen cars
ALWAYS slow down for speed cameras:-)



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Adam

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:49:41 -0000, Huge wrote:

In message , Uncle Peter writes

I've never actually seen a speed camera on a newly built road until
it's been there 4 or 5 years,

I have, so you're wrong again. As usual.

Then you should complain.

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In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , ARW
o.uk scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article . com,


You have to learn not to allow the others to distract you. If they are
you have to tell them to stop it or walk. Its the same with mobiles, you
just stop taking any notice of the people if the road conditions need
your attention.

You married Dennis?, ever tried telling the MIL to shut up or walk;!?...

I can remember my Dad doing that. My Mum was driving and she had made a
complete ******** of pulling out at a junction and my Dad swore.

My Grandma said "Bob if you swear again I'll get out and catch the bus
home"

My Dad's next words were "Lynn, pull up at the ****ing bus stop your
Mother
wants to catch the ****ing bus home"



And did she;?....

Yes and she hit the kerb whilst doing so.




Which resulted in how much more swearing and or cussing and or threats
to never speak to her again;?..

Happy families ... don't yer just lurve 'em;!....


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In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article , Vir
Campestris wrote:

On 27/12/2014 17:30, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , tony sayer
wrote:

In such an instance how do they know it was your car that was being read
as it were, not another car nearby going the other direction etc
upsetting the reading?.

FWIW theres one of theym near Gt Abingdon on the road from Cambs to
Haverhill thats doing that now, seems the speedo over reads by some 5
mph

Very dodgy road that as I recall.

There are a number of shrines along it, presumably to people who have
died. So they reduced the speed limit to 50 in spots.

Yes, there were a number of accidents there. A couple of girls got off
a bus, and were mown down as they crossed the road. I never had much
trouble with that road, but was occasionally overtaken by twerps doing
a very high speed indeed.


Seem to remember it was one girl getting off the bus somewhile ago,
never know there were Two at that spot.

It is a dangerous road too small for purposes now, many large lorries
and other slow vehicles tension builds and then comes a bit of less then
just so overtaking .. Next stop the undertakers;(...

And that bloody dean road cross-roads, not a very well thought out bit
of construction...
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On 20/12/2014 11:24, Huge wrote:
On 2014-12-20, Nightjar "cpb"@ "insert my surname here wrote:
On 20/12/2014 00:43, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:03:19 +0000
...
In many places in the US, parking facing the 'wrong' way is illegal,
which really confuses us Brits....

Why? It is illegal in Britain at night.

"... unless in a recognised parking space."

And when was that last enforced? 1872?

Possible 1972, which was about when my father was warned for it.

Here's another goody that gets enforced so rarely that I don't imagine
anyone knows about it;

"All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a
lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph (48 km/h).
Law RVLR reg 24"

I've long known that, but rarely ever park anywhere that would require
the use of lights.

--
Colin Bignell

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:15:12 +0000, Nightjar \"cpb\"@ wrote:

On 20/12/2014 11:24, Huge wrote:
On 2014-12-20, Nightjar "cpb"@ "insert my surname here wrote:
On 20/12/2014 00:43, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:03:19 +0000
...
In many places in the US, parking facing the 'wrong' way is illegal,
which really confuses us Brits....

Why? It is illegal in Britain at night.

"... unless in a recognised parking space."

And when was that last enforced? 1872?

Possible 1972, which was about when my father was warned for it.

Not a warning, but about five years ago someone parked the 'wrong way'
just up the road here. Someone else came along and failed to pull out,
smashing into the parked car and writing it off.

The police attitude was 'tough ****'!



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