I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


--
Colin Bignell

"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to shoot
at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

--
Adam

On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

Thanks.

--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the drummer. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

On 03/08/14 12:06, ARW wrote:
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

There was a suggestion she was miming 'My boobs are false but the voice
is real'

Lovely lady. Not that keen on the music but she is the real thing.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 03/08/14 13:31, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

that's a talkbox. Use the mouth as an acoustic cavity to modfiy the
guitar sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o

is the classic example...



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:41:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/08/14 13:31, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic
stand which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the
microphone. Any ideas?

that's a talkbox. Use the mouth as an acoustic cavity to modfiy the
guitar sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o

is the classic example...

Beat me to it sir!

Avpx
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vengeance.
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In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the drummer. ;-)


--
Colin Bignell

On 03/08/14 15:48, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the
drummer. ;-)


TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 03/08/2014 14:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



The "Talk box" was originally called a "Mouth Waa" from what I remember.

The tube contains a speaker, and by holding their mouth close to it and
the microphone, the tonal qualities of the note can be changed in real
time by the performer.

A vocoder is a box of electronics that uses generated tones to modulate
a voice. The earliest use I remember was in Sparky's Magic Piano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3etiNLAFi0

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 03/08/2014 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/08/14 15:48, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the
drummer. ;-)


TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)


--
Colin Bignell

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



It's a VoIP codec...
--
Tony Sayer

..

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:52:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

As popularised by Peter Frampton on his 1976 hit, "Show Me The Way"

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:16:31 +0100, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insert my
surname here wrote:


I was more interested in Pan's People :-)

Weren't we all!
(Poofters aside, I mean.)

TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)



So was I - Especially Sue. (Or was she Legs and Co)

Cursitor Doom wrote in
:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:52:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic
stand which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the
microphone. Any ideas?

Vocoder?

As popularised by Peter Frampton on his 1976 hit, "Show Me The Way"


Many thanks for the info and I enjoyed the YouTube clip

On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.

In message , Andy
Burns writes
to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

Sad, though, because it implies she is now being mixed as a pop
performer rather than country. That, plus the guest ego-guitar player.

Buck Owens was known for having demanded the removal of drum screens on
a BBC show maybe 30 years ago because he wanted the whole band to be
able to hear each other.

It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

Did anyone hear the absolutely dire live thing of Wet Wet Wet at the
Commonwealth Games on the Ken Bruce show the other week? There was so
much overall compression that the sound was almost turned inside out,
and utterly unlistenable.
--
Bill

On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.

But isn't there still something like timecode to sync them all up again?
--
Bill

On 03/08/2014 16:36, DerbyBorn wrote:

TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)



So was I - Especially Sue. (Or was she Legs and Co)


The real stars don't mind spending a bit on the band. I'm not fond of
country, but those guys were good. Doesn't half make a difference

On 03/08/2014 16:36, DerbyBorn wrote:

TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)



So was I - Especially Sue. (Or was she Legs and Co)


Sue Menhenick was in Pan's People, Ruby Flipper and Legs & Co.

--
Colin Bignell

ARW wrote




Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true.

In message , ARW
writes
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?
--
bert

"bert" ] wrote in message
news
In message , ARW
writes
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?


It would have been rude not to.

--
Adam

bert wrote:

ARW writes

Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?

It's the tattoos on her tatas she wants to keep under wraps, apparently.

/
Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true/q

If she did what are the odds they could be put away again?
:-)

Jim K

JimK wrote


/
Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true/q

If she did what are the odds they could be put away again?
:-)



I think she can still touch her knees.

The Natural Philosopher wrote


On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.


Would that be Left Tit & Right Tit ?

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:33:11 +0200, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:16:31 +0100, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insert my
surname here wrote:


I was more interested in Pan's People :-)

Weren't we all!
(Poofters aside, I mean.)

Especially the one that lived next door to me...



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On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.

Malcolm

On 03/08/2014 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/08/14 15:48, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the
drummer. ;-)


TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.



There is a Youtube video of Squeeze on TOTP. They were told they had to
mime, so they all swapped instruments. Jules Holland on drums, Tilbrook
on keyboards etc.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 03/08/2014 22:58, Malcolm Race wrote:
On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.


You probably didn't have the option, but using a better drummer would
have been easier and sounded better. They're not *all* like Animal in
The Muppets.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 04/08/2014 09:58, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2014 22:58, Malcolm Race wrote:
On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.


You probably didn't have the option, but using a better drummer would
have been easier and sounded better. They're not *all* like Animal in
The Muppets.



So many drums, so little time

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

I don't think an onstage drum kit on TOTP was ever live. Despite having
mics around it for 'looks'. Usually have pads over the drums so the
drummer can look like he's playing. (Backing track pre-recorded)

Depending on when exactly, vocals may have been live or mimed. Changed
over the years. Early TOPT did have a live band (Johnny Pearson) providing
the backing, but that wasn't usually featured 'in shot' so could use
normal screens. Even earlier TOTP were mimed to the actual records.

At one time a featured on stage band was part of many TV shows. Even
something like the Des O'Connor show on Thames which was basically a chat
show. It's on that sort of thing you'd see - (or not since the idea was to
make them less visible) clear plastic acoustic screens. Drums tend to be
situated at the back of a band, so spill onto the mics at the front
pointing towards them. And are more difficult to play quietly, as it were.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

You are wrong there. It changed from miming to the actual records, to
totally live, to miming to a specially recorded track, to singing live to
a backing track and any combination of the above, depending on when.

It may well have been mimed on the occasion(s) you were there.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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