I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


--
Colin Bignell

"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

Thanks.

--
Colin Bignell

On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.

On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.

Malcolm

On 03/08/2014 22:58, Malcolm Race wrote:
On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.


You probably didn't have the option, but using a better drummer would
have been easier and sounded better. They're not *all* like Animal in
The Muppets.


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Tciao for Now!

John.

On 04/08/2014 09:58, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2014 22:58, Malcolm Race wrote:
On 03/08/2014 16:57, newshound wrote:
On 03/08/2014 11:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"Nightjar \"cpb\""@ insert my surname here wrote:

Anybody know why the drummer was surrounded by clear plastic
screens?Was it some form of acoustic screening?

yes, to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.
In the 70s I was teaching in a secondary school. The choir sang Joseph -
the original concert version. T%his was accompanied by sone
instrumentsv and a drummer. The only way we could stop the drummer
drowning out the choir was to have him behind the (almost) drawn
curtains and the choir in front. Even then it was touch and go.


You probably didn't have the option, but using a better drummer would
have been easier and sounded better. They're not *all* like Animal in
The Muppets.



So many drums, so little time

In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
You probably didn't have the option, but using a better drummer would
have been easier and sounded better. They're not *all* like Animal in
The Muppets.

Trouble is you don't get the same drum sound if they're not hit hard. Not
just a question of level. Same applies to many instruments - like say a
trumpet.

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In article ,
newshound wrote:
I wondered if that was the explanation. In the "old days" the drum kit
was often set up some way back, and sometimes on a high plinth,
presumably for the same reason.

Trouble with that and using cardiod mics (perhaps the most common for a
band) is the mics at the front are pointing at the drums. They would
therefore be better at the front, if that is the object.

Drums are often the loudest thing in a band - so positioning them at the
back and high may help the 'overall' balance as heard by the audience or
whatever. Which can be very different from the multi-miked 'recorded'
sound.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
Trouble with that and using cardiod mics (perhaps the most common for a
band) is the mics at the front are pointing at the drums. They would
therefore be better at the front, if that is the object.

Ah, but are not most drums figure of 8 noise generators pointing at the
ceiling? Except the bass drum, which is likely to be more omni anyway.

Drums are often the loudest thing in a band - so positioning them at
the back and high may help the 'overall' balance as heard by the
audience or whatever. Which can be very different from the multi-miked
'recorded' sound.
In many situations, the engineer spends ages multi-miking the drums, by
which time there is no time to worry about the subtleties of the
remaining mix. Or the rest of the band and production staff have become
so bored that they no longer care.
--
Bill

In article ,
Bill wrote:
Drums are often the loudest thing in a band - so positioning them at
the back and high may help the 'overall' balance as heard by the
audience or whatever. Which can be very different from the multi-miked
'recorded' sound.
In many situations, the engineer spends ages multi-miking the drums, by
which time there is no time to worry about the subtleties of the
remaining mix. Or the rest of the band and production staff have become
so bored that they no longer care.

Dunno what you're referring to, but a kit would normally be miked up
before the musos or production team are around.

However, it's easy to agree with you. Often see a kit on TV with nearly a
dozen mics round it when all that's played is the bass snare and hi-hat.

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On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 00:34:05 +0100, Bill wrote:

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
Trouble with that and using cardiod mics (perhaps the most common for a
band) is the mics at the front are pointing at the drums. They would
therefore be better at the front, if that is the object.

Ah, but are not most drums figure of 8 noise generators pointing at the
ceiling? Except the bass drum, which is likely to be more omni anyway.

Drums are often the loudest thing in a band - so positioning them at
the back and high may help the 'overall' balance as heard by the
audience or whatever. Which can be very different from the multi-miked
'recorded' sound.
In many situations, the engineer spends ages multi-miking the drums, by
which time there is no time to worry about the subtleties of the
remaining mix. Or the rest of the band and production staff have become
so bored that they no longer care.

Back in the late 70s I used to do a bit of freelance recording for
the local bands, mostly live work in pubs and clubs[1]. My solution
for 'miking up' the drum kit was to use an Aiwa stereo microphone set
up a few feet in front of the kit, just behind the baseline of the
main PA speakers. I'd mike up the guitar amps and intercept the vocals
mike feeds (unbalanced mikes) through the stage box feeding via a 150
foot multicore cable (balanced lines) to my homebrewed 'mixing desk'
(6 mike channels plus drumkit channel).

It was a very effective arrangement until I got a gig in a club
(Eric's or Brady's, I forget when the name changed) in Mathew St,
Liverpool, recording a live gig by a band called "The Check".

The problem here was that they were using Lo-Z balanced mikes so I
had to tape my mikes alongside theirs. Unfortunately, the vocals
suffered on account they were singing right on top of their own mikes
and an inch or two off mine.

It was that experience that led me to modify the middle two mike
channels (3 and 4) on the stage box to allow me to intercept balanced
mikes. Unfortunately, I never subsequently got a chance to use this
feature before I lost interest (real life had started to intrude).

I've still got the kit gathering dust in the attic. There's very
little liklihood of it ever being used in these days of affordable
digital sound mixer and recording kit.

Back then it was a case of using the Akai GX630DB open reel tape deck
(4 track stereo at 7 1/2 ips with modern 10 inch reels of Maxel UDB
tape - not regarded as even 'semiprofessional' even though it would
knock spots off the performance of the older kit that _was_ regarded
as such).

These days, if I were ever asked to set up a recording session, I'd
replace the tape deck with a digital recorder (even a modern laptop
with decent soundcard would be an improvement).

[1] The biggest problem with doing live work in such small venues is
monitoring the mix feeding the line in on the tape deck. The deck's
own headphone ouptut hadn't been designed for such environments so was
useless. I built a 2 watt rms per channel headphone amplifier into the
mixing desk so I could 'drown out' the soundfield leakage of the
closed back headphones. I'd use earplugs to attenuate the extremely
high SPLs that resulted to a less damaging level at my eardrums.

I could forego the earplugs when recording in a studio setup
configuration at the group's practice locations where I could locate
the mixing desk in another room which sometimes afforded enough
isolation to even let me monitor the mix on speakers (the mixer had a
talkback channel ( which could also be used to send playback to the
'studio room' but, afaicr, it was mono only).
--
J B Good

In message , Andy
Burns writes
to stop (or reduce) the drums being picked on other mics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_screen

Sad, though, because it implies she is now being mixed as a pop
performer rather than country. That, plus the guest ego-guitar player.

Buck Owens was known for having demanded the removal of drum screens on
a BBC show maybe 30 years ago because he wanted the whole band to be
able to hear each other.

It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

Did anyone hear the absolutely dire live thing of Wet Wet Wet at the
Commonwealth Games on the Ken Bruce show the other week? There was so
much overall compression that the sound was almost turned inside out,
and utterly unlistenable.
--
Bill

On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.

But isn't there still something like timecode to sync them all up again?
--
Bill

The Natural Philosopher wrote


On 03/08/14 17:21, Bill wrote:
It would be interesting to know how the Dolly sound got separated from
the vision so as to make it look like miming.

The amazing thing is that they get connected at all. Totally different
feeds.


Would that be Left Tit & Right Tit ?

In article ,
Bill wrote:
Buck Owens was known for having demanded the removal of drum screens on
a BBC show maybe 30 years ago because he wanted the whole band to be
able to hear each other.

Crikey. I've never known such acoustic screens work totally - they just
reduce the spill slightly. Other band members would still hear them ok.

Different in a recording studio where the drums might have their own
totally sealed room, so others have to hear them via headphones.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to shoot
at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

--
Adam

On 03/08/14 12:06, ARW wrote:
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

There was a suggestion she was miming 'My boobs are false but the voice
is real'

Lovely lady. Not that keen on the music but she is the real thing.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

ARW wrote




Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true.

/
Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true/q

If she did what are the odds they could be put away again?
:-)

Jim K

JimK wrote


/
Did she get her tits out for the lads?


If she get's 'em out, it will probably for the gurlies - if the rumours
are true/q

If she did what are the odds they could be put away again?
:-)



I think she can still touch her knees.

In message , ARW
writes
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?
--
bert

"bert" ] wrote in message
news
In message , ARW
writes
"Nightjar "cpb"@" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...

I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?


Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?


It would have been rude not to.

--
Adam

bert wrote:

ARW writes

Did she get her tits out for the lads?

Did anybody ask her to?

It's the tattoos on her tatas she wants to keep under wraps, apparently.

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the drummer. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

On 03/08/14 13:31, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

that's a talkbox. Use the mouth as an acoustic cavity to modfiy the
guitar sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o

is the classic example...



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:41:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/08/14 13:31, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to
protect equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the
case of torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a
conveniently placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics.
Surprised you haven't seen them before on TV. You'd use something more
effective in a recording studio - but those would block off the view
of the drummer. ;-)


On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic
stand which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the
microphone. Any ideas?

that's a talkbox. Use the mouth as an acoustic cavity to modfiy the
guitar sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o

is the classic example...

Beat me to it sir!

Avpx
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In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 03/08/2014 14:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



The "Talk box" was originally called a "Mouth Waa" from what I remember.

The tube contains a speaker, and by holding their mouth close to it and
the microphone, the tonal qualities of the note can be changed in real
time by the performer.

A vocoder is a box of electronics that uses generated tones to modulate
a voice. The earliest use I remember was in Sparky's Magic Piano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3etiNLAFi0

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 03/08/14 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

I THINK vocoder is a slightly different animal than a talk box. Not sure



It's a VoIP codec...
--
Tony Sayer

..

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:52:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic stand
which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the microphone. Any
ideas?

Vocoder?

As popularised by Peter Frampton on his 1976 hit, "Show Me The Way"

Cursitor Doom wrote in
:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:52:35 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
On a similar vein I have sometime seen heavy metal bands use a mic
stand which has what looks like a plastic tube alongside the
microphone. Any ideas?

Vocoder?

As popularised by Peter Frampton on his 1976 hit, "Show Me The Way"


Many thanks for the info and I enjoyed the YouTube clip

On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the drummer. ;-)


--
Colin Bignell

On 03/08/14 15:48, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the
drummer. ;-)


TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 03/08/2014 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/08/14 15:48, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 03/08/2014 12:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
I watched that last night on BBC 4. Anybody know why the drummer was
surrounded by clear plastic screens? Were they expecting somebody to
shoot at him? Was it some form of acoustic screening? Was it to protect
equipment it would be difficult to run off stage with in the case of
torrential driving rain (although I would have thought a conveniently
placed tarpaulin would be better for that)?

Acoustic screens to help prevent him 'spilling' on other mics. Surprised
you haven't seen them before on TV.

I stopped watching music regularly on TV when they dropped Pan's People
from TOTP :-) Presumably then they either didn't worry so much about it
or the other mics were less sensitive to the large sound peaks that I
assume are the problem with percussion.

You'd use something more effective in
a recording studio - but those would block off the view of the
drummer. ;-)


TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)


--
Colin Bignell

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:16:31 +0100, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insert my
surname here wrote:


I was more interested in Pan's People :-)

Weren't we all!
(Poofters aside, I mean.)

TOTP was all mimed. I attended several of them (GF in the beeb)

Occasionally the singer sung to a backing track.

I was more interested in Pan's People :-)



So was I - Especially Sue. (Or was she Legs and Co)