The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

--
Michael Chare

On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

No, they're all dumped in the flippin' canal, wrapping themselves round
my propeller, leading to an "entertaining" few minutes up to my elbow in
freezing cold water disentangling them. Another popular end use is for
wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk
their dogs and children. :-/

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Good, as long as the bags are disposed of sensibly at the end of life.
They can and do kill many animals both on land and in the water when
they end up "in the wild".

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

The difference being that the council bags are all, in theory, collected
by the council and disposed of safely or recycled as new ones.

Do we really need this legislation?

Yes. Although it would be better if the proceeds were collected as a tax
and ring fenced for environmental improvement.

Incidentally, paper bags buried a century ago are still intact, as are
newspapers, in many dumps, and the new, improved, plastic bags that
"biodegrade" in a few months all degrade into tiny plastic spheres which
get ingested by plankton and so by other animals that eat the plankton.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

Incidentally, paper bags buried a century ago are still intact, as are
newspapers, in many dumps, and the new, improved, plastic bags that
"biodegrade" in a few months all degrade into tiny plastic spheres which
get ingested by plankton and so by other animals that eat the plankton.

--

Plastic bags being made of plastic contain a high % of carbon. So if they
end up in landfill or wherever and don't degrade they act as a carbon store.
Keeping carbon out of the environment is a good thing isn't it?


mark

"mark" wrote in message
o.uk...

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

Incidentally, paper bags buried a century ago are still intact, as are
newspapers, in many dumps, and the new, improved, plastic bags that
"biodegrade" in a few months all degrade into tiny plastic spheres which
get ingested by plankton and so by other animals that eat the plankton.

--

Plastic bags being made of plastic contain a high % of carbon. So if they
end up in landfill or wherever and don't degrade they act as a carbon
store. Keeping carbon out of the environment is a good thing isn't it?

Only compared with not getting it out of the ground in the first place.
Ideally they should be recycled.
I dunno why anyone should want plastic supermarket bags.
We have permanent cloth bags and never use them.
Using plastic bags is just idleness and ****wittery.

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"mark" wrote in message
o.uk...

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

Incidentally, paper bags buried a century ago are still intact, as are
newspapers, in many dumps, and the new, improved, plastic bags that
"biodegrade" in a few months all degrade into tiny plastic spheres which
get ingested by plankton and so by other animals that eat the plankton.

--

Plastic bags being made of plastic contain a high % of carbon. So if
they end up in landfill or wherever and don't degrade they act as a
carbon store. Keeping carbon out of the environment is a good thing isn't
it?

Only compared with not getting it out of the ground in the first place.
Ideally they should be recycled.
I dunno why anyone should want plastic supermarket bags.
We have permanent cloth bags and never use them.

whey do you have cloth bags that you never use?

Anyhow there's a limit to the number of cloth bags that one can take to the
supermarket. And I usually avoid putting fish/meat in those plastic trays
that don't quite seal all the juices inside, in mine

tim

On 04/06/2014 13:34, John Williamson wrote:

Another popular end use is for
wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk
their dogs and children. :-/


The holes they put in the bags have their uses.

--
Michael Chare

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 14:48:01 +0100, Michael Chare
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote:

On 04/06/2014 13:34, John Williamson wrote:

Another popular end use is for
wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk
their dogs and children. :-/


The holes they put in the bags have their uses.


I suppose in your case - for the small penis.

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:48:01 UTC+1, Michael Chare wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:34, John Williamson wrote:



Another popular end use is for

wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk

their dogs and children. :-/





The holes they put in the bags have their uses.

Pervert ;-)

In message , Michael
Chare writes
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

Not here. Our council now accepts these plastic bags for recycling. Had
it been introduced 5 or 10 years ago then I would have agreed with it
but it's a solution for yesterdays problem
--
bert

Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?


Since this idea was announced I have saved all my bags, and I have
economised on my re-use of them. I now have approx 1 trillion. I use
them for:
Bagging used incontinence products
Bagging soiled underwear on its way to the wash or the bin
Bagging mass-produced meals for freezing
Collecting clothes from hospital patient for washing at home, and the
return trip
Making up bags of chicken food
Storing confidential paperwork until I have a bonfire
Collecting scraps of wire etc in the workshop for eventual recycling by
Mr Scrapman
Sandwiches

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have never
seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags lying
about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from the
supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?


Since this idea was announced I have saved all my bags, and I have
economised on my re-use of them. I now have approx 1 trillion. I use them
for:
Bagging used incontinence products
Bagging soiled underwear on its way to the wash or the bin
Bagging mass-produced meals for freezing


Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products muddled
up.

mark

mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products muddled
up.

My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.

My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?

harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.
My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?


No I'm grumpy because I'm surrounded by uppity women who think they're
as good as men.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?


Since this idea was announced I have saved all my bags, and I have
economised on my re-use of them. I now have approx 1 trillion. I use
them for:
Bagging used incontinence products
Bagging soiled underwear on its way to the wash or the bin
Bagging mass-produced meals for freezing

Hopefully not in that order. :-)

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

/Since this idea was announced I have saved all my bags, and I have
economised on my re-use of them. I now have approx 1 trillion. I use
them for:
Bagging used incontinence products
Bagging soiled underwear on its way to the wash or the bin
Bagging mass-produced meals for freezing
Collecting clothes from hospital patient for washing at home, and the
return trip
Making up bags of chicken food
Storing confidential paperwork until I have a bonfire
Collecting scraps of wire etc in the workshop for eventual recycling by
Mr Scrapman
Sandwiches

Bill /q

Give em a periodic rinse won't you?

Jim K

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have never
seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags lying
about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

Owain

wrote:
Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive
plastic packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar
separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

I think the health lobby might find things to object to in Mr Kipling
products other than the portion size.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

:-)

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 07:27:58 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

I think the health lobby might find things to object to in Mr Kipling
products other than the portion size.

As might anybody with working tastebuds.

The "excessive plastic packaging" is probably the tastiest, as well as
the most nutritious, part.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

Owain

When choosing CAKE I heft it - the more the better. Needs pricing in
pence/heft.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

I know the ones you mean - it's cheap and easy to pack, and a pain to undo.

I've noticed a growing number of companies using cardboard for
packaging, and they're getting quite good with it - some pretty fancy
shapes.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:32:15 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:


The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

I know the ones you mean - it's cheap and easy to pack, and a pain to undo.

I remember a friend complaining she'd bought a special tool to open those - which came packed in...you've guessed it!

wrote:

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:32:15 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

I know the ones you mean - it's cheap and easy to pack, and a pain to undo.

I remember a friend complaining she'd bought a special tool to open those - which came packed in...you've guessed it!

Hope she didn't buy a pair of special scissors to hack her way
in, which were themselves fixed to a backing card with stout
cable ties. ;-)

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 2014-06-04, wrote:

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:32:15 PM UTC+1, Clive George wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:


The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

I know the ones you mean - it's cheap and easy to pack, and a pain to undo.

I remember a friend complaining she'd bought a special tool to open those - which came packed in...you've guessed it!

To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion....

On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Never mind the throad, it's the other hand (especially the thumb)
that's holding the packaging that I worry about. And quite often, the
products are packed so they meander around inside the plastic pack so
that it's difficult to avoid either stabbing yourself or damaging the
contents.


I know the ones you mean - it's cheap and easy to pack, and a pain to undo.

I've noticed a growing number of companies using cardboard for
packaging, and they're getting quite good with it - some pretty fancy
shapes.

Yes. Good for them --- cardboard is easy to open & easy to recycle.

On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Absolutely. Made of Kevlar I reckon.

Curtain poles are the worst, Seems to take longer to unpack them than it
does to put them up.

I carry a pair of 'Tuffcuts' for removing this sort of packaging.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Oral-B toothbrushes are the worst. I can understand why packaging needs to
be good on a toothbrush, but surely the same would apply to food etc.
When I bought mine, I decided to open it on the way home on the bus. I have
an Inox card with knife and scissors - is there such a card with circular
saw/chainsaw/angle grinder? Even at home, the good scissors were marginal -
and I managed to spike myself on the cut plastic!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

PeterC wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Oral-B toothbrushes are the worst. I can understand why packaging needs to
be good on a toothbrush, but surely the same would apply to food etc.
When I bought mine, I decided to open it on the way home on the bus. I have
an Inox card with knife and scissors - is there such a card with circular
saw/chainsaw/angle grinder? Even at home, the good scissors were marginal -
and I managed to spike myself on the cut plastic!

I use the knife that my government says I must not carry.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip).

Nope, I use kitchen scissors designed to cut up chickens.

They leave lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat
with one), and they refuse to be reduced in size.

Bull**** on that last.

On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



--
UK SelfBuild: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/

On 04/06/2014 16:07, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:32:02 +0100, Broadback wrote:

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods
from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

A decent weekly shop yields over half a dozen supermarket bags. Don't
get through anything like that number of bags.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish
in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag
for
general rubbish.

Our council supllied bag takes us a fornight to fill. Only goes out
with the recycling collection every two weeks. All it contains is
plastic wrappings, everything else goes to recycling or the compost
heap.
We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.

Half dozen of the check "laundry" bags a number of years ago, still
going strong and have at three or four times the capacity of a
freebie supermarket bag. As they are fairly rigid and rectangular
they sit nicely together in the boot.

I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

No handles so no carrying 2 or 3 in each hand. The give way if they
get damp.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 04/06/2014 16:32, Broadback wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:07, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

I have seen an argument (not sure how valid it is) that paper bags are
even worse than plastic for the environment since they are much heavier
to transport in bulk (use more diesel etc)

--
Chris

On 04/06/2014 18:13, news wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:32, Broadback wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:07, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

I have seen an argument (not sure how valid it is) that paper bags are
even worse than plastic for the environment since they are much heavier
to transport in bulk (use more diesel etc)

They also decompose to generate methane in landfill, unless they are
burnt, which at least has the benefit of not releasing any fossil carbon
into the atmosphere.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think they also use more energy and make more
pollution in the manufacturing process.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:32:02 +0100, Broadback wrote:

We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

Paper, Wales - mache?
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

Rick Hughes wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We have a holder specially designed for the supermarket carrier bags so
ours get re-used for waste at minimal cost.

Is this legislation really key to the UK survival from its economic
problems FFS

On 04/06/2014 18:01, Bob Minchin wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We have a holder specially designed for the supermarket carrier bags so
ours get re-used for waste at minimal cost.

Is this legislation really key to the UK survival from its economic
problems FFS

No, it's a sop to the Green lobby. There are,though, some reasonably
good reasons for bags to be charged for.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2014-06-04, John Williamson wrote:

On 04/06/2014 18:01, Bob Minchin wrote:

So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We have a holder specially designed for the supermarket carrier bags so
ours get re-used for waste at minimal cost.

We use carrier bags in the bathroom bin, but we are still getting free
ones at a sufficient rate.


Is this legislation really key to the UK survival from its economic
problems FFS

No, it's a sop to the Green lobby. There are,though, some reasonably
good reasons for bags to be charged for.

AIUI, countries/regions that have imposed carrier bag charges have
discovered a decline in litter afterwards as a pleasant side effect.

On 04/06/2014 18:01, Bob Minchin wrote:

So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We don't need bin liners. All the waste away from the kitchen is dry or
sufficiently non-icky to not be a problem. The compost bin/bucket gets
nearly all the icky stuff. A bit goes in the main kitchen bin, which
gets tipped into the wheelie bin and doesn't seem to get icky at all.