On 04/06/2014 18:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
In ,
says...

On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.

Agreed.
I was going to reply to the OP that the government introduced this
legislation 2 1/2 years ago - it just hasn't happened in your area yet.
I grumbled when it first happened, but it's no big deal.

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

Owain

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 22:36:00 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

We use a picnic coolbag for our shopping - and some woven nylon
re-usable bags for things that don't fit. It is good to have the
reassurance that the food doesn't warm up too much on the way home.

We use the really inexpensive woven ones from Iceland. And their
insulated ones too.



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On 04/06/14 22:46, ss wrote:

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

You never see shopping baskets on wheels - in the 70's everyone used
them. No bags needed - pile everything in and of course no lugging bags
back home (everyone walked of course).

On 04/06/2014 18:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?



We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.

Agreed.
I was going to reply to the OP that the government introduced this
legislation 2 1/2 years ago - it just hasn't happened in your area yet.
I grumbled when it first happened, but it's no big deal.


So why is it in the Queens speech? Gordon Brown wanted to introduce a
charge for what he called 'one time use bags' a few years back.

The only one time use bags we have are the ones supplied by the local
council.

--
Michael Chare

On 04/06/2014 23:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 04/06/14 22:46, ss wrote:

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

You never see shopping baskets on wheels - in the 70's everyone used
them. No bags needed - pile everything in and of course no lugging bags
back home (everyone walked of course).

Bike trailer gets used for that here :-)

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.

My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?

wrote:
Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive
plastic packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar
separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

I think the health lobby might find things to object to in Mr Kipling
products other than the portion size.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

:-)

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 04/06/2014 16:15, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Absolutely. Made of Kevlar I reckon.

Curtain poles are the worst, Seems to take longer to unpack them than it
does to put them up.

I carry a pair of 'Tuffcuts' for removing this sort of packaging.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 04/06/2014 22:46, ss wrote:
On 04/06/2014 18:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:


Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.


And being old enough to remember the introduction of plastic bags a lot
of people initially refused to use them (preferring their own more
sturdy bags) and refusing to "Walk round town as a mobile advert for
Woolworths"

--
Chris

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Oral-B toothbrushes are the worst. I can understand why packaging needs to
be good on a toothbrush, but surely the same would apply to food etc.
When I bought mine, I decided to open it on the way home on the bus. I have
an Inox card with knife and scissors - is there such a card with circular
saw/chainsaw/angle grinder? Even at home, the good scissors were marginal -
and I managed to spike myself on the cut plastic!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Tomin Dotsson wrote:
it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

That's to pacify the health lobby. By wrapping each cake bar separately they can claim that's the 'serving size' for calories.

as any fule kno the actual serving is the packet of 6.

Owain

When choosing CAKE I heft it - the more the better. Needs pricing in
pence/heft.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:32:02 +0100, Broadback wrote:

We had the change a couple of years back in Wales .... makes total
sense, avoids hundreds of thousands of carrier bags going into landfill.

We just use "Bag for Life" and take them with us to shop.



I am not normally a fan of the Yanks, but why cannot our supermarkets
used paper sacks into which you can pack your shopping as they do?

Paper, Wales - mache?
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:36:35 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

On 04/06/14 22:46, ss wrote:

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

You never see shopping baskets on wheels - in the 70's everyone used
them. No bags needed - pile everything in and of course no lugging bags
back home (everyone walked of course).

I use a large rucsack - it holds 20kg comfortably. Sometimes I have to walk
the last 2 miles home if there's a problem with the local bus. In the last
bad Winter, the bus didn't come in to the village (couldn't get out again),
so there was a 1 mile walk across snowy fields - not fun with a shed-load of
carrier bags.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

/Since this idea was announced I have saved all my bags, and I have
economised on my re-use of them. I now have approx 1 trillion. I use
them for:
Bagging used incontinence products
Bagging soiled underwear on its way to the wash or the bin
Bagging mass-produced meals for freezing
Collecting clothes from hospital patient for washing at home, and the
return trip
Making up bags of chicken food
Storing confidential paperwork until I have a bonfire
Collecting scraps of wire etc in the workshop for eventual recycling by
Mr Scrapman
Sandwiches

Bill /q

Give em a periodic rinse won't you?

Jim K

No cos most supermarket bags are crap in any case.

Ireland have been doing this for some time I believe and I was told that
what has happened is the bags are not no longer bio degradable.
Brian

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"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have never
seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags lying
about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from the
supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I use
two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for general
rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far exceeds
that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

--
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On 2014-06-04, Tim Watts wrote:

On 04/06/14 22:46, ss wrote:

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the goods
were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

You never see shopping baskets on wheels - in the 70's everyone used
them. No bags needed - pile everything in and of course no lugging bags
back home (everyone walked of course).

It only costs £1 to buy a trolley to take home. ;-)

On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

On 04/06/2014 21:04, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

On 04/06/2014 18:01, Bob Minchin wrote:

So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We don't need bin liners. All the waste away from the kitchen is dry or
sufficiently non-icky to not be a problem. The compost bin/bucket gets
nearly all the icky stuff. A bit goes in the main kitchen bin, which
gets tipped into the wheelie bin and doesn't seem to get icky at all.

I don't know how you manage that. When we first got a reasonably
well-sealed pedal bin some years ago, I thought it could be used
baglessly, but it turned out to be a smelly mess after a while. We
have used bags since then. (And yes, I put food waste as such in the
worm bin, but icky packaging still has to go in the (bag-lined)
kitchen bin.)

I don't know how people don't manage it :-)

Maybe we don't have that much icky packaging on our food? Obviously dry
food packaging such as one gets pasta in isn't an issue. Cheese and meat
have some, with meat potentially being the worst, but IME there's really
not that much ick there and one can nest packaging (eg put something
manky inside a cereal bag). Tins and bottles get washed out and go in
the recycling.

It's a fairly big bin, and we don't lean on stuff to make it go in -
easier to tip it into the wheelie bin if you don't.

Maybe not having it sealed actually helps? We don't keep a lid on it.

Interesting.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:

snip


We have 2 collapsible boxes which we carry in the car. Come shop time, we
unfold one, put it in trolley, load, unload onto conveyor belt, and
reload at the other end.

I can load the box faster than the checkout operator can scan (they have
started an *every* item must be scanned regime at Sainsburys)

Perhaps they want you to pay for everything.



(You could use the self-service tills and scanners - you can then not scan one
in five items - it saves a fortune ;-)

On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:58:58 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote:

snip


It's turned off by a photocell automatically as the goods get to the
cashier.
How else could the system work?



One of my local Tescos (Lincoln) has introduced conveyors and scanners where
you put the item on the belt - and they are all scanned automatically - not
picked up by operator. They then go in to a specific collection area - and
whilst you are loading your bags from that one - the next customer's are going
in to a different collection area. Wicked.)

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 14:48:01 +0100, Michael Chare
mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote:

On 04/06/2014 13:34, John Williamson wrote:

Another popular end use is for
wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk
their dogs and children. :-/


The holes they put in the bags have their uses.


I suppose in your case - for the small penis.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:04:15 +0100, Adam Funk wrote:

On 2014-06-04, Tim Watts wrote:

On 04/06/14 22:46, ss wrote:

Full circle like everything else. When I was a lad I was sent every
saturday to get the shopping at the local co-op (early 60s) with
shopping list in hand a a couple of leather bags, every shopper had
their own as I dont think plastic bags had been invented yet.
You went into the coop and placed your bags in a rack next to the
checkout and done the shopping. When you got back to the checkout the
girl retrieved your bags from the rack and you filled them as the
goods were put through.
Of course that system wouldnt cope with the customer traffic nowadays,
and some sod would nick your bags.

You never see shopping baskets on wheels - in the 70's everyone used
them. No bags needed - pile everything in and of course no lugging bags
back home (everyone walked of course).

It only costs £1 to buy a trolley to take home. ;-)

Even less for a lump of plastic rod and a hacksaw...


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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip).

Nope, I use kitchen scissors designed to cut up chickens.

They leave lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat
with one), and they refuse to be reduced in size.

Bull**** on that last.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 07:27:58 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

I think the health lobby might find things to object to in Mr Kipling
products other than the portion size.

As might anybody with working tastebuds.

The "excessive plastic packaging" is probably the tastiest, as well as
the most nutritious, part.

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:30:48 UTC+1, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 13:20:29 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:



The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have

never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags

lying about or on beaches.



The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from

the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.



Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I

use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for

general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far

exceeds that in the supermarket bags.



Do we really need this legislation?



We have 2 collapsible boxes which we carry in the car.

I don;t have a car so I'm saying the planet that way :-)

If my bags were strong enough I:d reuse them again and agin, but I';m lucky if tehy make to 3 mile journey home without splitting.
If they do make it home in one piece I reuse them.





I can load the box faster than the checkout operator can scan (they have
started an *every* item must be scanned regime at Sainsburys).
Additionally I have noticed that before, when they would throw stuff down
the conveyor as fast as possible in the hope of causing a mini pile up,
when I start loading, they deliberately switch the conveyor off.

For me it's those belts that making loading bags slow.

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 14:48:01 UTC+1, Michael Chare wrote:
On 04/06/2014 13:34, John Williamson wrote:



Another popular end use is for

wrapping up dog sh1t and hanging it on the hedges where people walk

their dogs and children. :-/





The holes they put in the bags have their uses.

Pervert ;-)

On 05/06/2014 11:24, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

On 04/06/2014 21:04, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

On 04/06/2014 18:01, Bob Minchin wrote:

So presumably you buy bin liners and put those into landfill?

We don't need bin liners. All the waste away from the kitchen is dry or
sufficiently non-icky to not be a problem. The compost bin/bucket gets
nearly all the icky stuff. A bit goes in the main kitchen bin, which
gets tipped into the wheelie bin and doesn't seem to get icky at all.

I don't know how you manage that. When we first got a reasonably
well-sealed pedal bin some years ago, I thought it could be used
baglessly, but it turned out to be a smelly mess after a while. We
have used bags since then. (And yes, I put food waste as such in the
worm bin, but icky packaging still has to go in the (bag-lined)
kitchen bin.)

I don't know how people don't manage it :-)

Maybe we don't have that much icky packaging on our food? Obviously dry
food packaging such as one gets pasta in isn't an issue. Cheese and meat
have some, with meat potentially being the worst, but IME there's really
not that much ick there and one can nest packaging (eg put something
manky inside a cereal bag). Tins and bottles get washed out and go in
the recycling.

It's a fairly big bin, and we don't lean on stuff to make it go in -
easier to tip it into the wheelie bin if you don't.

Maybe not having it sealed actually helps? We don't keep a lid on it.

Interesting.

I was reminded that icky meat scraps go on the fire (ok, in the stove),
which would be a problem otherwise. Fat burns very nicely :-)

harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.
My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?


No I'm grumpy because I'm surrounded by uppity women who think they're
as good as men.

Bill

On Thursday, 5 June 2014 14:49:13 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
harryagain wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message

...

mark wrote:



Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products

muddled up.

My cooking tastes like **** anyway.



Bill



Is that why you're so grumpy?





No I'm grumpy because I'm surrounded by uppity women who think they're

as good as men.

I know the feeling and they(SOME) get equal pay for less work.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.
My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?
No I'm grumpy because I'm surrounded by uppity women who think they're as
good as men.

Well, that would make anyone grumpy.
They only want the cushy jobs too.
When did you last see a woman mixing cement/emptying dustbins?

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:

Let's hope you don't get your meals and your incontinence products
muddled up.
My cooking tastes like **** anyway.

Bill

Is that why you're so grumpy?
No I'm grumpy because I'm surrounded by uppity women who think they're as
good as men.


So is every bloke in the UK.

--
Adam

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have never
seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags lying
about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from the
supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I use
two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for general
rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far exceeds
that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

Because some people are morons

when I first moved into a shared house, one of my sharers went to the
supermarket.

After he had unpacked the shopping the kitchen bin was full to the brim of
the bags he had carried the stuff in. No thought at all that they might be
reusable in some way or other

tim

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

"mark" wrote in message
o.uk...

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2014 13:20, Michael Chare wrote:
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

Incidentally, paper bags buried a century ago are still intact, as are
newspapers, in many dumps, and the new, improved, plastic bags that
"biodegrade" in a few months all degrade into tiny plastic spheres which
get ingested by plankton and so by other animals that eat the plankton.

--

Plastic bags being made of plastic contain a high % of carbon. So if
they end up in landfill or wherever and don't degrade they act as a
carbon store. Keeping carbon out of the environment is a good thing isn't
it?

Only compared with not getting it out of the ground in the first place.
Ideally they should be recycled.
I dunno why anyone should want plastic supermarket bags.
We have permanent cloth bags and never use them.

whey do you have cloth bags that you never use?

Anyhow there's a limit to the number of cloth bags that one can take to the
supermarket. And I usually avoid putting fish/meat in those plastic trays
that don't quite seal all the juices inside, in mine

tim

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 13:20:29 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:

The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.

The bags we collect get used at least twice. Once to take goods from
the supermarket and once as pedal bin liners.

Where I live the council gives me plastic bags to put my rubbish in. I
use two per week, one clear bag for paper etc, and one black bag for
general rubbish. I am sure that the amount of plastic in these bags far
exceeds that in the supermarket bags.

Do we really need this legislation?

We have 2 collapsible boxes which we carry in the car.

Hm,

I can beat your green boast

I walk to the supermarket thus avowing polluting the atmosphere on the way

tim

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:54:33 +0100, tim..... wrote:

We have 2 collapsible boxes which we carry in the car.

Hm,

I can beat your green boast

I walk to the supermarket thus avowing polluting the atmosphere on the
way

Hum, weekly supermarket trip is about 40 miles round to the nearest
large supermarket. At my current level of (un)fitness I *might* be
able to manage 15 miles/day...

There is a small Co-op in town only a 5 mile round trip but they
don't stock a number of things we buy regulary. The really big snag
is that for both it's uphill all the way back home. Overall about
300' from town and about 1300' from the supermarket but peaking at
1550'.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:27:59 +0100, Judith wrote:

(You could use the self-service tills and scanners - you can then not
scan one in five items - it saves a fortune ;-)

"Unexpected item in bagging area".

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Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:54:33 +0100, tim..... wrote:

We have 2 collapsible boxes which we carry in the car.

Hm,

I can beat your green boast

I walk to the supermarket thus avowing polluting the atmosphere on the
way

Hum, weekly supermarket trip is about 40 miles round to the nearest
large supermarket. At my current level of (un)fitness I *might* be
able to manage 15 miles/day...

I wasn't being critical of you circumstances.

I was just pointing out that "boxes" aren't the solution for everybody.

They don't work for people who go shopping by bus.

tim

On 2014-06-05, Clive George wrote:

On 05/06/2014 11:24, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-06-04, Clive George wrote:

Maybe we don't have that much icky packaging on our food? Obviously dry
food packaging such as one gets pasta in isn't an issue. Cheese and meat
have some, with meat potentially being the worst, but IME there's really
not that much ick there and one can nest packaging (eg put something
manky inside a cereal bag). Tins and bottles get washed out and go in
the recycling.

It's a fairly big bin, and we don't lean on stuff to make it go in -
easier to tip it into the wheelie bin if you don't.

Maybe not having it sealed actually helps? We don't keep a lid on it.

Interesting.

I was reminded that icky meat scraps go on the fire (ok, in the stove),
which would be a problem otherwise. Fat burns very nicely :-)

I guess you could burn a lot of icky stuff other than plastic (unless
you're quite confident about the ventilation).

PeterC wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:15:16 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:59:05 +0100, Tomin Dotsson wrote:

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
The government wants to introduce a charge for plastic bags. I have
never seen the point of this, it is not as if I see lots of empty bags
lying about or on beaches.


it aint the bags that are the real problem its the excessive plastic
packaging round foodstuffs mr kipling for example

The worst are those rigid plastic moulded containers that have been heat-
sealed. You get things like strimmer reels in them. They're a menace to
open (you need a sharp knife, and hope it doesn't slip). They leave
lethally sharp edges (you could cut a throat with one), and they refuse
to be reduced in size.

Oral-B toothbrushes are the worst. I can understand why packaging needs to
be good on a toothbrush, but surely the same would apply to food etc.
When I bought mine, I decided to open it on the way home on the bus. I have
an Inox card with knife and scissors - is there such a card with circular
saw/chainsaw/angle grinder? Even at home, the good scissors were marginal -
and I managed to spike myself on the cut plastic!

I use the knife that my government says I must not carry.