The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?





mark

On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says *something like: *Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Thanks for that.
I thought shopping trolleys were things pulled along by old ladies, often
finished in a tartan effect.

mark

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Thanks for that.
I thought shopping trolleys were things pulled along by old ladies, often
finished in a tartan effect.


Not all old ladies are finished in a tartan effect.

Some are finished in camel hair effect, others in tweed effect. ;-)

On Mar 25, 8:54 am, wrote:
On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says


Or, in other words a Fiat Punto ??

Dave ;-P

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


A cover sort of flips around the wheel. It requires a tool to reset it.

Trolleys - I think those that can travel up and down moving escalator
type ramps are clever.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:49:14 -0000, mark wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

Must have posh trollies if they have an electical automatic braking sytem,
either that or an awful lot of tea leaves to make such a system worth
while.

What I have seen is attachments to the wheels and section of floor that
engages on the attachments stoping the trolly going any further. I've also
seen this used on an escalator for people and trollies. No steps just a
flat moving ramp push trolly on it locks to the surface you and it ride to
the top where fingers lift the trolley off the surafce and away you go.

As for lifting a trolley, they are pretty heavy empty and one assumes
people "borrow" them when full to assist in moving their shopping.

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"Graham." wrote:

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


Plenty of trolleys escape from out local supermarket, which is equipped
with that system. The brakes only work on one or two wheels, and since
those wheels are at the back, it is a trivial task to lift the rear of
the trolley while pushing it over the loop.

Lots of people seem to do it, and I regularly go to the supermarket
pushing a trolley that I found on the way. ;-)

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:12 +0000, Dave wrote:
No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Or, in other words a Fiat Punto ??

Lose the 'super' bit and you might be on to something...

( & be thankful you don't have the sh*t trolleys that we all have here in
the US :-)

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark
Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


A cover sort of flips around the wheel. It requires a tool to reset it.

Trolleys - I think those that can travel up and down moving escalator
type ramps are clever.

Those usually have a fixed inner part of the wheel and rotating discs on
the outside edges. The edges of the discs only clear the fixed bit by a
few mm and are fairly slim. Hence on the travellator the wheel edges
drop into the grooves on the surface leaving the fixed bit of wheel
grounded on the raised bits of the surface.

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In message et, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:49:14 -0000, mark wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

Must have posh trollies if they have an electical automatic braking sytem,
either that or an awful lot of tea leaves to make such a system worth
while.


some places obviously do, as they had such a system at the Sainburys
near where I used to live.
--
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In message , Bruce
writes
"Graham." wrote:

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


Plenty of trolleys escape from out local supermarket, which is equipped
with that system. The brakes only work on one or two wheels, and since
those wheels are at the back, it is a trivial task to lift the rear of
the trolley while pushing it over the loop.


Having tried it once (when I'd parked in a bit of car park in a
shopping place outside the actual sainburys car park.

It wasn't easy at to push a trolley full of shopping keeping the braked
wheel off the ground (the brake stayed on in this system)

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mark wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the
Red Line.

How does that work?

And why is the bloke who collects the trolleys only 5' tall, wears NHS
spectacles & a bobble hat? Doesn't matter where you go, the trolley bloke
always looks the same.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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mark wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the
Red Line.

How does that work?

And why is the bloke who collects the trolleys only 5' tall, wears NHS
spectacles & a bobble hat? Doesn't matter where you go, the trolley bloke
always looks the same.



Someone that every supermarket calls in to collect trolleys, a real
specialist, I know him, it's Dilbert !!!

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:49:14 -0000, mark wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

Must have posh trollies if they have an electical automatic braking sytem,
either that or an awful lot of tea leaves to make such a system worth
while.

I've seen a Lidl with notices saying that trolleys will stop beyond this
point. I'm not sure that could have been done with inductive loops though,
as the system had to allow customers to cross a public road to get to the
overflow car park, so any loops would have needed to be buried in the road.

Colin Bignell

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On Mar 25, 8:54 am, wrote:
On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the
Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark

Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Translated to "Shopping Carts" for our US cousins ...

Arfa

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark
Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


A cover sort of flips around the wheel. It requires a tool to reset it.

Trolleys - I think those that can travel up and down moving escalator
type ramps are clever.

Those usually have a fixed inner part of the wheel and rotating discs on
the outside edges. The edges of the discs only clear the fixed bit by a
few mm and are fairly slim. Hence on the travellator the wheel edges drop
into the grooves on the surface leaving the fixed bit of wheel grounded on
the raised bits of the surface.

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Cheers,

John.

I thought that the ones that I had seen, had the grooves in the moving
walkway, slightly off-parallel, so that when the wheel edges dropped down
into them, they 'locked' in place, as gravity tried to drag them deeper into
the diminishing gap ?

Arfa

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In message et, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:49:14 -0000, mark wrote:

The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

Must have posh trollies if they have an electical automatic braking sytem,
either that or an awful lot of tea leaves to make such a system worth
while.


some places obviously do, as they had such a system at the Sainburys near
where I used to live.
--
Chris French


Tesco store near me has trollies so equipped, and all of the Walmart stores
that I've seen in the US have the system.

Arfa

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"Arfa Daily" writes:

"Matty F" wrote in message
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No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Translated to "Shopping Carts" for our US cousins ...

Reminds me the first time I saw "No Strollers" at the escalator
entrance to a US shopping mall, which I took to mean the
tramps/druggies wandering around aimlessly should stay outside.
Actually, it means no push chairs, which would explain why there
were a number of tramps/druggies wandering around aimlessly
inside...

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in 191248 20090324 223846 Jules wrote:

( & be thankful you don't have the sh*t trolleys that we all have here in
the US :-)

Aren't most trolleys used in the US made by a British guy who was featured in
"This Old House"?

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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says something like: Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

How does that work?

mark
Inductance loop buried in the ground at red line.Puts the brakes on.
Assuming you`re talking about shopping trolleys but just forgot to
mention it?

Assuming the trolley side is passive, it can't have too much
range can it?
Couldn't one just lift the trolley over the sub-surface coil, or
are trolley thieves not that bright?


A cover sort of flips around the wheel. It requires a tool to reset it.

Trolleys - I think those that can travel up and down moving
escalator type ramps are clever.

Those usually have a fixed inner part of the wheel and rotating discs on
the outside edges. The edges of the discs only clear the fixed bit by a
few mm and are fairly slim. Hence on the travellator the wheel edges drop
into the grooves on the surface leaving the fixed bit of wheel grounded
on the raised bits of the surface.

--
Cheers,

John.

I thought that the ones that I had seen, had the grooves in the moving
walkway, slightly off-parallel, so that when the wheel edges dropped down
into them, they 'locked' in place, as gravity tried to drag them deeper
into the diminishing gap ?

Arfa


The ones I have seen also have a claw / sawtooth type feature.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
John wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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I thought that the ones that I had seen, had the grooves in the
moving walkway, slightly off-parallel, so that when the wheel edges
dropped down into them, they 'locked' in place, as gravity tried to
drag them deeper into the diminishing gap ?

Arfa


The ones I have seen also have a claw / sawtooth type feature.


Slightly OT, but at (I think) Zurich Airport they have got luggage trolleys
which can go up and down proper (step-type) escalators - and remain upright!
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On 24 Mar, 20:49, "mark" wrote:
The warning says *something like: *Will come to a Sudden Stop at the Red
Line.

The big new Tesco in [[Bradley Stoke|Sadly Broke]], Bristol has the
trollies outside, shop inside and a sufficiently magnetic device in
the floor near the doors that it locks the wheel on every trolley you
try and use. The brake is a rubber block on a swinging plastic arm.
The only trollies that remain usable are those where someone has
wrenched the plastic arm sideways and wedged it out of the way on top
of the castor. Ghastly shop, and the "customer service" people are so
unhelpful they blame the poor shopper for being unable to work the
trollies.

Mind you, the guy that had working in the petrol station there a few
weeks ago surpassed even that. Probably the Angriest Man in Retail, he
got so irate with one driver that he ended up banging the card reader
on the glass window in front of him and screaming. Very funny to
watch, but I can't imagine Tesco really intend their staff to behave
like that.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:41:30 UTC, "Roger Mills"
wrote:

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
John wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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I thought that the ones that I had seen, had the grooves in the
moving walkway, slightly off-parallel, so that when the wheel edges
dropped down into them, they 'locked' in place, as gravity tried to
drag them deeper into the diminishing gap ?

Arfa


The ones I have seen also have a claw / sawtooth type feature.

Slightly OT, but at (I think) Zurich Airport they have got luggage trolleys
which can go up and down proper (step-type) escalators - and remain upright!

Nearer home...Victoria Station!
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:40:35 +0000, Bob Martin wrote:

in 191248 20090324 223846 Jules wrote:

( & be thankful you don't have the sh*t trolleys that we all have here in
the US :-)

Aren't most trolleys used in the US made by a British guy who was featured in
"This Old House"?

Hmm, not sure. If so, I do wish he'd had the sense to make the rear wheels
pivot (as they do on UK ones) - having to physically pick up a
fully-loaded trolley in a packed shop so you can move it sideways and get
around things is a real pain in the backside.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:23:59 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" writes:

"Matty F" wrote in message
...

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Translated to "Shopping Carts" for our US cousins ...

Reminds me the first time I saw "No Strollers" at the escalator
entrance to a US shopping mall, which I took to mean the
tramps/druggies wandering around aimlessly should stay outside.

I've seen stroller used in the UK before, too (by Maclaren, I think it
was, who I believe are a UK company) a couple of years ago. I was told
later that 'stroller' was originally a UK term though, then adopted by the
US, then dropped by the UK in favour of pushchair.

Lots of US terms seem to be like that - if you trace them back, they were
once common UK ones, but fell out of favour in the UK whilst being
retained in the US.

I was also surprised when I moved to the US at how many terms and
pronunciations* which I'd always thought as being "UK only" were in use
here.

* Some of which really grate, though - "nitch" for "niche", "Van Go" for
Van Gogh, "booey" for buoy etc. :-) Don't think I'll ever quite get used
to those...

cheers

Jules

"Jules" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:23:59 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" writes:

"Matty F" wrote in message
...

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Translated to "Shopping Carts" for our US cousins ...

Reminds me the first time I saw "No Strollers" at the escalator
entrance to a US shopping mall, which I took to mean the
tramps/druggies wandering around aimlessly should stay outside.

I've seen stroller used in the UK before, too (by Maclaren, I think it
was, who I believe are a UK company) a couple of years ago. I was told
later that 'stroller' was originally a UK term though, then adopted by the
US, then dropped by the UK in favour of pushchair.

Lots of US terms seem to be like that - if you trace them back, they were
once common UK ones, but fell out of favour in the UK whilst being
retained in the US.

I was also surprised when I moved to the US at how many terms and
pronunciations* which I'd always thought as being "UK only" were in use
here.

* Some of which really grate, though - "nitch" for "niche", "Van Go" for
Van Gogh, "booey" for buoy etc. :-) Don't think I'll ever quite get used
to those...

cheers

Jules



I once had a conversation with a truck driver - I was talking about
lorries - after a while he asked "What is a lorry?" Some words we use just
don't register there - eg - Stand In Line rather than Queue.

Jules wrote:

Hmm, not sure. If so, I do wish he'd had the sense to make the rear wheels
pivot (as they do on UK ones) - having to physically pick up a
fully-loaded trolley in a packed shop so you can move it sideways and get
around things is a real pain in the backside.

OTOH, having one pair fixed makes it a lot easier to control when
navigating a sloping car park.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

John wrote:

I once had a conversation with a truck driver - I was talking about
lorries - after a while he asked "What is a lorry?"

Similarly, if you told him you lived in a semi, he might well
have got the wrong impression.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:59:40 -0500, Jules wrote:

Hmm, not sure. If so, I do wish he'd had the sense to make the rear
wheels pivot (as they do on UK ones) - having to physically pick up a
fully-loaded trolley in a packed shop so you can move it sideways and
get around things is a real pain in the backside.

Just needs a different driving technique. The trollies in CostCo (American
company) have fixed rear wheels and to be honest I prefer them. Get a 4
wheel steer trolly with an iffy wheel or on a slope in the car park and
they are difficult to control. Not so with the fixed rear wheels.

--
Cheers
Dave.

When this system was installed at my local Tesco one of the security
staff said that those who took their trolleys home soon found the
(unplanned) gap in the loop. Don't know if the gap is still there but
it's a long time since I saw a stray trolley, and the old ones could
be taken a mile or more from the store.

"Jules" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:23:59 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" writes:

"Matty F" wrote in message
...

No he's talking about Supermarket Trolleys like the heading says

Translated to "Shopping Carts" for our US cousins ...

Reminds me the first time I saw "No Strollers" at the escalator
entrance to a US shopping mall, which I took to mean the
tramps/druggies wandering around aimlessly should stay outside.

I've seen stroller used in the UK before, too (by Maclaren, I think it
was, who I believe are a UK company) a couple of years ago. I was told
later that 'stroller' was originally a UK term though, then adopted by the
US, then dropped by the UK in favour of pushchair.

Lots of US terms seem to be like that - if you trace them back, they were
once common UK ones, but fell out of favour in the UK whilst being
retained in the US.

I was also surprised when I moved to the US at how many terms and
pronunciations* which I'd always thought as being "UK only" were in use
here.

* Some of which really grate, though - "nitch" for "niche", "Van Go" for
Van Gogh, "booey" for buoy etc. :-) Don't think I'll ever quite get used
to those...

cheers

Jules



"Boo-ey" for buoy (UK pronunciation like "boy") is an interesting one.
Following the American way, how on earth do they pronounce the allied words
"buoyant" and "buoyancy" ?

Arfa

Roger Mills wrote:

Slightly OT, but at (I think) Zurich Airport they have got luggage trolleys
which can go up and down proper (step-type) escalators - and remain upright!

Zurich, Geneve, etc. Baggage claim to railway platform on one trolley.
The Swiss understand public transport.


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Arfa Daily wrote:

"Boo-ey" for buoy (UK pronunciation like "boy") is an interesting one.
Following the American way, how on earth do they pronounce the allied words
"buoyant" and "buoyancy" ?


Boo-yunt and boo-yuncee.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:41:07 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:59:40 -0500, Jules wrote:

Hmm, not sure. If so, I do wish he'd had the sense to make the rear
wheels pivot (as they do on UK ones) - having to physically pick up a
fully-loaded trolley in a packed shop so you can move it sideways and
get around things is a real pain in the backside.

Just needs a different driving technique. The trollies in CostCo (American
company) have fixed rear wheels and to be honest I prefer them. Get a 4
wheel steer trolly with an iffy wheel or on a slope in the car park and
they are difficult to control. Not so with the fixed rear wheels.

I agree. Never have trouble with Costco trolleys....the one I used last
week was brand new too!

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S Viemeister wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:

"Boo-ey" for buoy (UK pronunciation like "boy") is an interesting one.
Following the American way, how on earth do they pronounce the allied words
"buoyant" and "buoyancy" ?


Boo-yunt and boo-yuncee.


Destiny's Child?

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:09:51 GMT, Chris J Dixon wrote:

I once had a conversation with a truck driver - I was talking about
lorries - after a while he asked "What is a lorry?"

Similarly, if you told him you lived in a semi, he might well
have got the wrong impression.

And don't ask for a coke in and "ordinary street side bar".

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Dave.

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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:09:51 GMT, Chris J Dixon wrote:

I once had a conversation with a truck driver - I was talking about
lorries - after a while he asked "What is a lorry?"

Similarly, if you told him you lived in a semi, he might well
have got the wrong impression.

And don't ask for a coke in and "ordinary street side bar".



or ask for fags?

mark