D I boycott, as much as I can, self service checkouts
and pay at pump.

Me too. I point out when invited to go to a self service till, that if
I wanted to work as a checkout operator, I'd apply for the job and get paid!

Bill Wright wrote:

Unemployment isn't economically inefficient. It's inefficient methods
that are inefficient. Better to have efficient methods and a few more on
the dole. High unemployment reduces labour costs, which is good.

Unemployment is economically inefficient in a socialist society which
we have. It increases taxes. High unemployment does not reduce labour
costs when you have a minimum wage. Self service tills are purely to
increase the profit of the company. The customer is much more
inefficient at check out than a cashier. I happen to believe in customer
service and shop where this is provided for my benefit. Business
efficiency(profitability) can be improved where the customer is
satisfied. A number of companies have reduced the number of self service
tills provided as enough customers stopped shopping there.

Bill Wright wrote...

It's exactly
the same idea as banning plastic bags. Why is one different to the other?


Supermarkets are easy targets,and this bag thing looks as though the
party is doing something worthwhile. Inconveniencing the voting public
will never get you re-elected

--
UnsteadyKen

On 20/12/2013 21:35, Capitol wrote:

I happen to believe in customer
service and shop where this is provided for my benefit.

Standing for long periods in a queue while the customer in front gets
his customer service means that I don't get any of your benefits.

Cashiers that are FAST and efficient in supermarkets that don't spend
extra time swiping loyalty card and giving out schools vouchers or
taking cash off vouchers is true customer service.

Consider how may people on this group say that they prefer the
Toolstation trade counters to those of Screwfix. Is this something to do
with serving the customers faster?

So called customer service in other shops often means that you will part
with money on the goods that they want to push rather than the goods
that may suite you better. The only other reason for customer service is
the mis-selling of extended warranties.

--
mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

harryagain wrote:

I just love these "voluntary" taxes that are easily avoided.
Such as parking tickets.
Speeding tickets.
Car park charges.
Lottery tickets.
Etc.
Someone else pays them and not me.

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for
electric cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 20/12/2013 16:09, Huge wrote:

Although avoiding touching the door handles is sometimes difficult.


And you can almost grantee that during the routine cleaning of toilets in
any place of work, public toilets in pubs, hospitals etc. the one item
that will never be cleaned is the door handle on the exit.


Special attention given to them in hospitals.
Lght switches and computer keys/typewriters are as bad.

Main method of transmitting influenza.

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 20/12/2013 14:55, Bill Wright wrote:
tim...... wrote:

so do I, but it still comes wrapped up in compulsory plastic trays

The Plastic Tray (Compulsory Use for Meat) Act does not apply to
Yorkshire. Here the butcher gets a big chunk of meat on his block and
the customer indicates where he should wield his chopper. The portion of
meat is then put into a bag.



Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day. The butcher will then go on to serve someone else with
sliced cooked ham or cut cheese without washing hands in between.

Pretty naugty that.
I remember when they did away with wood chopping boards and substituted
"hygenic"plastic.
It was ten times worse then the wood which has bacteriocidal properties.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
harryagain wrote:

I just love these "voluntary" taxes that are easily avoided.
Such as parking tickets.
Speeding tickets.
Car park charges.
Lottery tickets.
Etc.
Someone else pays them and not me.

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for electric
cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

Voluntary does not= compulsary.

But I am not breaking the law.

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 20/12/2013 14:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Occasionally
(a new) one doesn't and short of picking up each item and lobbing
straight into the trolly you don't stand a chance of keeping up with
them.


If every supermarket adopted that policy by default they could get rid of
50% of their till staff and reduce prices of the goods that they sell by
10%. The big supermarkets will soon start adopting the same time/cost
saving measures as used in Aldi/Lidl who have seen an increase of sales by
around 30% this year.


There soon won't be any till operators.
A lot more people out of work.
Just as soon as they get everyone trained up on those self service machines.
When you get a discount for using them, maybe I will.

I hear there's something new coming out where it's done on the shelf as you
pick it up.

On 21/12/2013 11:04, harryagain wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote:-

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for electric
cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

Voluntary does not= compulsary.

But I am not breaking the law.


No, you're just using it to swindle the rest of us.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:

I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag from
20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces despite being stored in total
darkness. I suspected a mouse at first but other plastic bags were still
intact

Try a Wilkinson's bag from 20 minutes^W months ago, one day I'll learn not to
bother even trying to "reuse" in the "reduce, reuse, recycle" with them,
as they are lightning quick biodegraders.

--
--------------------------------------+------------------------------------
Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
I use those red/white or blue/white woven plastic "laundry" bags for
shopping (13w x 15h x 7"d). Much better than the tiddly pleated
bottom construction supermarket bags or most of the "bags for life".
These are proper "box" construction made from stiffish material that
stands up on it's own. Got half a dozen off ebay a good few years
back all are still going strong.


Surprised you didn't just nick a few from costume. Or swap for a couple of
radio mic batteries. ;-)

--
*We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 21/12/2013 11:19, Huge wrote:
On 2013-12-20, Capitol wrote:


D I boycott, as much as I can, self service checkouts
and pay at pump.

Me too. I point out when invited to go to a self service till, that if
I wanted to work as a checkout operator, I'd apply for the job and get paid!

Hear, hear!


Are you sure you're not Andy Hall reincarnated?

brightside S9 wrote:

Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day. The butcher will then go on to serve someone else with
sliced cooked ham or cut cheese without washing hands in between.
That's terrible. Report him. At my butchers you have to buy all your
cooked stuff, then say you've finished so he washes his hands and moves
to the other part of the shop, then you tell him what raw meat you want.

Hmmm. So he then serves the next customer with cooked ham or cheese,
THEN he washes his hands before moving to other part of shop to cut /
serve raw meat.

No all the staff wash their hands at any change from raw to cooked. They
try to stick to one or the other, so if there are two or more on the
counter you will often be served by different people for raw and cooked.

Bill

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:52:50 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I use those red/white or blue/white woven plastic "laundry" bags
for
shopping (13w x 15h x 7"d). Much better than the tiddly pleated
bottom construction supermarket bags or most of the "bags for
life".
These are proper "box" construction made from stiffish material
that
stands up on it's own. Got half a dozen off ebay a good few years
back all are still going strong.

Surprised you didn't just nick a few from costume. Or swap for a couple
of radio mic batteries. ;-)

B-) I can't say I've ever noticed cozzy with them but I doubt they'd
have them as small as the above, the true laundry ones are more like
1/4 tonne dumpy bags...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:10:36 -0000, harryagain wrote:

I hear there's something new coming out where it's done on the shelf as
you pick it up.

Tesco Carlisle has just installed a rack full of handheld scanners so
you can scan as you shop. It's not new, been around for at least 15
years in various supermarkets but has never really caught on.

I havn't played with it yet, strikes me that juggling the goods and
scanner to find the barcode is too much hassle. There is a socket to
take the handle of the scanner on the trolly push bar but you still
have to find the bar code. You also have to weigh out loose stuff,
bag it and stick a bar coded label on. Now if the trollies had a
proper scanner, scales and big display like the checkouts/self
service ones it might be better.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:56:44 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:


"alan" wrote in message
.. .
On 20/12/2013 14:55, Bill Wright wrote:
tim...... wrote:

so do I, but it still comes wrapped up in compulsory plastic trays

The Plastic Tray (Compulsory Use for Meat) Act does not apply to
Yorkshire. Here the butcher gets a big chunk of meat on his block and
the customer indicates where he should wield his chopper. The portion
of
meat is then put into a bag.



Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day. The butcher will then go on to serve someone else with
sliced cooked ham or cut cheese without washing hands in between.

Pretty naugty that.
I remember when they did away with wood chopping boards and substituted
"hygenic"plastic.
It was ten times worse then the wood which has bacteriocidal properties.


wood helps to propagate bacteria.

Bollix. You are a half wit.
You have the same idea as the idiots that devised plastic chopping boards.
Like all living materials, wood has defence mechanisms, some of which remain
after death.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-2-2006-95011.asp

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 20/12/2013 17:57, Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:53:07 +0000, alan wrote:

Yep, there is one of those around where I live. All fresh meat and offal
is put on the same wooden chopping board without any cleaning as you go
during the day.

The offal in question will, of course, be perfectly fit for human
consumption - else it wouldn't be in that part of his shop in the first
place.

It's more that the eat/offal will be kept chilled while waiting to be
sold. The wooden board will be at room temperature for, say, 8hours still
with the blood/juices from the first cut of the day.

There may well be some bacteria on/in fresh meat, impossible to avoid.
But there are defence mechanisms against bacteria still operative in fresh
meat so they don't multiply much.
This is why you can "hang" meat.

However cooking meat destroys these mechanisms so any bacteria multiply
rpaidly.
Hence it is important to keep fresh meat way from cooked meat.
Also to keep cooked meats refrigerated.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 21/12/2013 11:04, harryagain wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote:-

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for
electric
cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

Voluntary does not= compulsary.

But I am not breaking the law.


No, you're just using it to swindle the rest of us.

You could be said to be swindling people if you use a free bus pass by that
measure.
Or send your kids to "free" school.

Swindling is illegal.
Swindling is done surrupticiously.
Don't you know the difference beween right and wrong?

It's called subsidising.
Governments use subsidies to promote certain policies.
For example, nuclear power.
Coal mining.


You're not very clever are you?

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation.

I, for one, support the right of all peoples to think whatever they like.
However silly.


--
M0WYM
Sales @ radiowymsey
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sales-At-Radio-Wymsey/
http://sales-at-radio-wymsey.ebid.net/

On 22/12/2013 09:28, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 21/12/2013 11:04, harryagain wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote:-

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for
electric
cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

Voluntary does not= compulsary.

But I am not breaking the law.


No, you're just using it to swindle the rest of us.

You could be said to be swindling people if you use a free bus pass by that
measure.
Or send your kids to "free" school.

Both acknowledged as being paid for out of taxation, and provided by the
state for the general good.

Swindling is illegal.
Swindling is done surrupticiously.
Don't you know the difference beween right and wrong?

Yes, but it appears you don't. Maybe you prefer the term "ripping off"?

"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither
morally good nor the right way to do things.

It's called subsidising.
Governments use subsidies to promote certain policies.
For example, nuclear power.
Coal mining.

When did they start subsidising coal mining again? Or, for that matter,
nuclear power?

You're not very clever are you?

Well, I'm not a smartass ripoff merchant, if that's what you mean. And I
don't have a degree like the Lootenant's.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 22/12/2013 09:38, Wymsey wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation.

I, for one, support the right of all peoples to think whatever they like.
However silly.


Ditto, with the limit that they don't try too hard to convert me to
their way of thinking, or get their methods made compulsory.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"harryagain" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...

wood helps to propagate bacteria.

Bollix. You are a half wit.
You have the same idea as the idiots that devised plastic chopping boards.
Like all living materials, wood has defence mechanisms, some of which
remain after death.

I suppose that trees have evolved in order to produce chopping boards for
the benefit of humans.

--
Max Demian

On 22/12/2013 09:38, Wymsey wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation.

I, for one, support the right of all peoples to think whatever they like.
However silly.



The right to think what you like is different from the *ability* to
think what you like. I would like to think about something other than
Xmas but there is a conspiracy preventing me from doing that. I'm
beginning to sound like Ron Swanson

On 22/12/13 10:12, Max Demian wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...

wood helps to propagate bacteria.

Bollix. You are a half wit.
You have the same idea as the idiots that devised plastic chopping boards.
Like all living materials, wood has defence mechanisms, some of which
remain after death.

I suppose that trees have evolved in order to produce chopping boards for
the benefit of humans.

Nah, humans have evolved to deal with extremely long lived plant waste,
so they could pump it mine it and turn it back into carbon dioxide and
water so the plants could use it all over again.

I hugged a tree an it told me, so there.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Max Demian wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...

wood helps to propagate bacteria.
Bollix. You are a half wit.
You have the same idea as the idiots that devised plastic chopping boards.
Like all living materials, wood has defence mechanisms, some of which
remain after death.

I suppose that trees have evolved in order to produce chopping boards for
the benefit of humans.


It's a fact that if trees didn't exist we'd have to invent wood.

Bill

"Max Demian" wrote in message
...
"harryagain" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote in message
...

wood helps to propagate bacteria.

Bollix. You are a half wit.
You have the same idea as the idiots that devised plastic chopping
boards.
Like all living materials, wood has defence mechanisms, some of which
remain after death.

I suppose that trees have evolved in order to produce chopping boards for
the benefit of humans.

Trees evolved with a resistance to bacteria.
As do all living things. (Including meat/animal flesh)
Which remains after they have been cut up.
Heat reatment destroys this resistance.
Which is why cooked meat goes "off" quicker then uncooked.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 22/12/2013 09:28, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 21/12/2013 11:04, harryagain wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote:-

Not forgetting that you love compulsory charges (FITs, grants for
electric
cars) that everyone else pays and which you trouser ...

Voluntary does not= compulsary.

But I am not breaking the law.


No, you're just using it to swindle the rest of us.

You could be said to be swindling people if you use a free bus pass by
that
measure.
Or send your kids to "free" school.

Both acknowledged as being paid for out of taxation, and provided by the
state for the general good.

Swindling is illegal.
Swindling is done surrupticiously.
Don't you know the difference beween right and wrong?

Yes, but it appears you don't. Maybe you prefer the term "ripping off"?

"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither morally
good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right anf moral.
A bit like thes muslim nutters eh?

It's called subsidising.
Governments use subsidies to promote certain policies.
For example, nuclear power.
Coal mining.

When did they start subsidising coal mining again? Or, for that matter,
nuclear power?

The government is trouble with the EU over proposed subsidies for Hinkley
point.
http://www.cityam.com/article/138741...most_popular=2

They've been subsidising coal for years. Note the dates.
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news...-marine-energy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4...sidy-seam.html
Try to keep up.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:14:52 +0000, harryagain wrote:

"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither
morally good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right and moral.

Doesn't everybody?

On 22/12/2013 17:14, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither morally
good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right anf moral.
A bit like thes muslim nutters eh?

So you support detention camps, it appears.

Most Muslims that I've met are actually sane, in the way that most
Christians that I've met are sane. Both sects harbour extremists and
those you like to call nutters.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:40:19 +0000 John Williamson wrote :
Most Muslims that I've met are actually sane, in the way that most
Christians that I've met are sane. Both sects harbour extremists and
those you like to call nutters.

As a committed Christian, I have often thought that 'bringing the game
into disrepute' is a concept that could usefully extend beyond
football.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 22/12/2013 17:14, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither
morally
good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right anf moral.
A bit like thes muslim nutters eh?

So you support detention camps, it appears.

Most Muslims that I've met are actually sane, in the way that most
Christians that I've met are sane. Both sects harbour extremists and those
you like to call nutters.


Moving the goal posts again eh?
They are followers of a mad blood crazed repressive religion.
Are you not aware of events in the ME?
Their mosques, even in this country, spawn crazed murderers.
They never turn these people in, by their aquiescence they are equally
guilty.

They maintain a facade of sanity, beneath, they are pure evil.
Once they think their numbers are sufficient, they will be demanding sharia
law for all.
As has happened in many other countires.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:14:52 +0000, harryagain wrote:

"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither
morally good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right and moral.

Doesn't everybody?

Yes even Harold Shipman.

On 23/12/2013 06:32, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
So you support detention camps, it appears.

Most Muslims that I've met are actually sane, in the way that most
Christians that I've met are sane. Both sects harbour extremists and those
you like to call nutters.


Moving the goal posts again eh?
They are followers of a mad blood crazed repressive religion.
Are you not aware of events in the ME?
Their mosques, even in this country, spawn crazed murderers.
They never turn these people in, by their aquiescence they are equally
guilty.

They maintain a facade of sanity, beneath, they are pure evil.
Once they think their numbers are sufficient, they will be demanding sharia
law for all.
As has happened in many other countires.


Have you ever met any Muslims? If not, STFU.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 23/12/2013 06:34, harryagain wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:14:52 +0000, harryagain wrote:

"Legal" is not always the same as "right" or "moral", by the way.
Detention camps, for instance, might be legal but they are neither
morally good nor the right way to do things.

I see you have your own definitions of right and moral.

Doesn't everybody?

Yes even Harold Shipman.


"had"

--
Rod

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 23/12/2013 06:32, harryagain wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
So you support detention camps, it appears.

Most Muslims that I've met are actually sane, in the way that most
Christians that I've met are sane. Both sects harbour extremists and
those
you like to call nutters.


Moving the goal posts again eh?
They are followers of a mad blood crazed repressive religion.
Are you not aware of events in the ME?
Their mosques, even in this country, spawn crazed murderers.
They never turn these people in, by their aquiescence they are equally
guilty.

They maintain a facade of sanity, beneath, they are pure evil.
Once they think their numbers are sufficient, they will be demanding
sharia
law for all.
As has happened in many other countires.


Have you ever met any Muslims? If not, STFU.

Hundreds.
I have travelled extensively in the Middle East.