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It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags. Also, when I'm running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote. Tim |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message ... It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill Excellent news, should have been done years ago. I think you are a stupid ****. Why don'tyou take a proper bag to the supermarket when shopping or don't you have the foresight? The fact that you have to store vast quantities, indicates you get far more than you need. We haven't used supermarket bags for years. Supermarket bags are quite unsuitable for most of the uses you put them to anyway. |
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On 19/12/2013 07:41, Tim+ wrote:
Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags. Also, when I'm running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote. I noticed last time I was in Wales (Nov 2011) that there were far fewer bags blowing around, (as you describe). I think they had had the 5p charge imposed earlier that year ? We didn't know, until we went to get our weekly shop at a local Sainsburys, and ended up unnecessarily paying about 50p for bags, which was a bit of a disappointment seeing as back home we had a cupboard full of them, like Bill, we keep them, and use them for all manner of other things. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message ...
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. The daft bit is that plastic could be replaced with recycled paper which will, in time, biodegrade, but they are going to charge for them as well! By the way Bill, you forgot the newspapers that you put out in them for recycling. Now there's a paradox if ever there was one. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000 Bill Wright wrote :
I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Not just greens: "Shoppers are to be charged 5p for plastic bags in supermarkets and other large stores. The move by ministers is a victory for the Daily Mail’s Banish the Bags campaign which has highlighted the menace of carrier bags." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dered-act.html -- Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on', Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com |
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On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs. I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment. Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically make it wrong. There are way too many plastic bags and for that matter disposable take away meal containers in the hedgerows. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill You sound like the typical paranoid right whinger. It might surprise you to know that you are at odds with the Daily Wail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dered-act.html What is less well known is that the latest generation of plastic carrier bags are somewhat biodegradable over time and as such not quite the long term nuisance that the older ones were. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 19/12/2013 08:17, Martin Brown wrote:
On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs. I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment. Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically make it wrong. There are way too many plastic bags and for that matter disposable take away meal containers in the hedgerows. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill You sound like the typical paranoid right whinger. It might surprise you to know that you are at odds with the Daily Wail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dered-act.html What is less well known is that the latest generation of plastic carrier bags are somewhat biodegradable over time and as such not quite the long term nuisance that the older ones were. I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag from 20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces despite being stored in total darkness. I suspected a mouse at first but other plastic bags were still intact |
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In message , Mark Carver
writes On 19/12/2013 07:41, Tim+ wrote: Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags. Also, when I'm running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote. I noticed last time I was in Wales (Nov 2011) that there were far fewer bags blowing around, (as you describe). I think they had had the 5p charge imposed earlier that year ? We didn't know, until we went to get our weekly shop at a local Sainsburys, and ended up unnecessarily paying about 50p for bags, which was a bit of a disappointment seeing as back home we had a cupboard full of them, like Bill, we keep them, and use them for all manner of other things. We certainly re-use plastic bags until they become holed - then if they're not too bad, they get used as liners for the kitchen waste bin. However, these days, some bags (especially Waitrose) are so flimsy and thin that you are lucky to get even a single use out of them. Anything they carry which has sharp corners invariably puts large holes in them, rendering them unsuitable for any form re-use. Even the more-substantial pay-for bags are often nowhere near as robust as they used to be. -- Ian |
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In message , stuart noble
writes What is less well known is that the latest generation of plastic carrier bags are somewhat biodegradable over time and as such not quite the long term nuisance that the older ones were. I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag from 20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces despite being stored in total darkness. I suspected a mouse at first but other plastic bags were still intact Tesco went through a period with those things, the bane of the tidy storage classes. Dreadful idea. Paper good, decaying plastic awful. Is the charge for bags planned for just supermarkets, or will it apply to all shops? I asked in the local chippy and they said it didn't apply to them. -- Bill |
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I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag
from 20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces despite being stored in total darkness. I suspected a mouse at first but other plastic bags were still intact Mi casa, su casa. Tesco bags in my case. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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stuart noble wrote: I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag from 20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces despite being stored in total darkness. I suspected a mouse at first but other plastic bags were still intact Tesco ones? They had a spell of "degradable" (they carefully avoided saying "Biodegradable" I noticed - not sure of the implications there!) bags - we had a load in the office. The ones that had day light were ok, the ones in the dark almost turned to powder when you touched them. I assume the UV kept the plastic ok in some way? I thought it was normally the other way around but then some white paint yellows indoors so I guess it's similar? Darren |
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On 19/12/13 06:00, Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill we now have about 5 hessian ones bought at the S/market and they work just fine. SWMBO steals the one the vegetables go in for use as general storage. Golly. Hessian wasn't in the dictionary the spell checker uses. Except capitalised. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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"Bill" wrote in message
... Is the charge for bags planned for just supermarkets, or will it apply to all shops? I asked in the local chippy and they said it didn't apply to them. There is a number of exceptions: "Axe-men and goldfish enthusiasts among those to escape 5p bag levy" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25240097 -- Max Demian |
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Surely these days most bags seem to just disintegrate in any case. I thought
this idea had fixed the problem. If they want to stop crap they need to get real about getting rid of packaging that cannot have other uses unlike bags. That transparent hard see through stuff for a start, they said it could not be done, but I notice Duracell have got rid of it, and others should take note i feel. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill |
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"Tim+" wrote in message
... Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags. Also, when I'm running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote. It's perverse the way dog owners hang their bags of dog **** from branches. They'll just stay the if the dog deposited its excrement on the ground it would be gobbles up in a trice. -- Max Demian |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
... What is less well known is that the latest generation of plastic carrier bags are somewhat biodegradable over time and as such not quite the long term nuisance that the older ones were. I hate the 'degradable' bags. Especially when they encourage you to re-use them - put them away and they fall apart by the time you use them. Ryman's are bad in this way. -- Max Demian |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
... On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs. I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment. Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically make it wrong. There are way too many plastic bags and for that matter disposable take away meal containers in the hedgerows. It's wrong because it's irrelevant to the environment [1] and means you have to carry a pocket of plastic bags around just in case you decide to buy something on the spur of the moment. [1] 0.27% of landfill: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/12709 "Plastic bags are an outward reflection of the ease with which people can buy goods and take them home. People now have the disposable income to enter a shop unexpectedly and buy a load of stuff, and plastic bags mean they can rest assured they will have the means to carry their purchases. How often do people returning home from work decide, on a whim, to make a quick stop at Tesco Express to buy a few items of food? How frequently, perhaps on a journey past Oxford Street, are we drawn into a sale by a piece of attractive clobber? Such nonchalant consumption would be made more difficult, perhaps more expensive, without shops' provision of handy, free plastic bags." -- Max Demian |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Whatever happened to conventional shopping bags? We have always used them rather than the throw-away plastic ones. They aren't expensive and will soon pay for themselves at 5p a use. Plus they don't suddenly tear when carrying heavy bottles. |
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On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Couldn't disagree with you more. |
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On 19/12/13 10:21, Max Demian wrote:
"Tim+" wrote in message ... Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags. Also, when I'm running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote. It's perverse the way dog owners hang their bags of dog **** from branches. They'll just stay the if the dog deposited its excrement on the ground it would be gobbles up in a trice. +1 -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 19/12/13 11:22, Mizter T wrote:
On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Couldn't disagree with you more. And that is something I am actually concerned about. 99% of green legislations is utter crap. And is becoming recognized as such. This is good. 1% of it though, is worth having, and I am with you on this. Plastic bags do more harm than good. Paper or hessian both work, and were what we used before. Paper carrier bags with string handles? remember those? -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. It seems to be working well. This is the information about the levy that was published earlier this year. http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/baglevy More detail: http://www.doeni.gov.uk/index/protec...te/baglevy.htm -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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Huge wrote:
On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. It seems to be working well. Define "working well". In Eire, which has had the levy for several years, consumption of bags has risen, not fallen. We weren't best pleased when given a paper bag for some newly purchased books when it was ****ing with rain outside in Dublin some years ago. Tim |
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On 19 Dec 2013 12:33:46 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2013-12-19, Peter Duncanson wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****, clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing, disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things. When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s. I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of my way to do this. Bill In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. It seems to be working well. Define "working well". In Eire, which has had the levy for several years, consumption of bags has risen, not fallen. In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25% of what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket, convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be much greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged. -- Peter Duncanson (in uk.tech.digital-tv) |
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
... In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable? If the levy is attempt to reduce the use of plastic bags because they are not biodegradable, then why are supermarkets not encouraged to supply alternative paper single-use bags which do not suffer from the problem? I resent having to carry a bulky bag-for-life with me on the off-chance that I might want to buy something. Too much of modern life requires you to plan ahead (bag for life, buying railway tickets in advance to get best fare, etc) instead of allowing you to be impulsive and spur-of-the-moment. We always re-use supermarket carriers for lining rubbish bins (eg in the kitchen, one for general landfill rubbish like packaging, and another for food waste and vegetable peelings that can be composted) as a free alternative to buying a roll of bin bags. Once the levy is introduced, quite apart from having to buy a large number of bags for life, to accommodate everything that we buy at one go, we'll have to spend even more money buying rolls of binliner bags that we used to get for free as single-use carrier bags. And all because some plebs can't be arsed to throw away their carrier bags in the bin after using them. |
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On 19/12/2013 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
1% of it though, is worth having, and I am with you on this. Plastic bags do more harm than good. Paper or hessian both work, and were what we used before. Paper carrier bags with string handles? remember those? I remember having to hold them by the base, as either the string pulled out, or, if it was raining even slightly, the bag would rapidly disintegrate. Interesting article he- http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Documen...nment/3611.pdf AKA:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/7a9jnag It seems that the least damaging solution is to use plastic bags until they fall apart and then recycle the plastic. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 19/12/2013 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
1% of it though, is worth having, and I am with you on this. Plastic bags do more harm than good. Paper or hessian both work, and were what we used before. Paper carrier bags with string handles? remember those? I used a "green" supermarket in Vancouver last year. Checkout girl said "paper or plastic". Paper I said. Walked to the door and the handle broke! |
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On 19/12/2013 13:34, NY wrote:
"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message ... In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable? If the levy is attempt to reduce the use of plastic bags because they are not biodegradable, then why are supermarkets not encouraged to supply alternative paper single-use bags which do not suffer from the problem? Because the paper bags do not biodegrade in modern rubbish tips. They actually endure as long as plastic ones in the anaerobic, dark conditions there. The only benefit is that if you use a paper bag to wrap your dog**** in before hanging it on the hedge, it will quickly fall apart, letting the normal biological processes take care of the excrement. Paper bags also cause more air pollution and CO2 to be emitted during their manufacture and transport than plastic. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 19/12/2013 07:41, harryagain wrote:
Why don'tyou take a proper bag to the supermarket when shopping or don't you have the foresight? I keep around 6 laundry bags (each approx 2x carrier bag capacity) in the back of the car and use them 4/5 years before they have to be chucked away. 95% of my supermarket shopping is transported in these bags. Example - smallest size in link http://tinyurl.com/ptufj8m Supermarket bags are quite unsuitable for most of the uses you put them to anyway. I do recycle all supermarket bags that I do get in the same way as Bill does. From what I've read, in countries that have introduced charging the usage has gone down but sales of other plastic bags has risen. I doubt if any less plastic goes to land fill. If the greenies really want to save the planet let them campaign to make all unsoliced snail junk mail illegal. I shred all the leaflets and junk that comes through my letter box and compost it. I get a sackful of paper per month (7 A4 sheets of glossy paper so far today and the postman hasn't made a delivery yet). -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:34:54 -0000, "NY" wrote:
"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message .. . Too much of modern life requires you to plan ahead No - quite the reverse! Life has always been that way. Only modernity has permitted laziness. It's part of evolution that the fittest always look ahead. That's why the woman in Melbourne walked into the harbour when using Facebook. |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:34:54 -0000, NY wrote:
Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable? Supermarket plastic bags are these days as well. You try using a recent supermarket bag to store something in the cool dry and dark for more than a year or two it will crumble to dust. Compare that against a supermarket plastic bag from 20 years ago that'll be in the same condition as it was when new. I use those red/white or blue/white woven plastic "laundry" bags for shopping (13w x 15h x 7"d). Much better than the tiddly pleated bottom construction supermarket bags or most of the "bags for life". These are proper "box" construction made from stiffish material that stands up on it's own. Got half a dozen off ebay a good few years back all are still going strong. -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Max Demian" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs. I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment. Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically make it wrong. There are way too many plastic bags and for that matter disposable take away meal containers in the hedgerows. It's wrong because it's irrelevant to the environment [1] and means you have to carry a pocket of plastic bags around just in case you decide to buy something on the spur of the moment. [1] 0.27% of landfill: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/12709 "Plastic bags are an outward reflection of the ease with which people can buy goods and take them home. People now have the disposable income to enter a shop unexpectedly and buy a load of stuff, and plastic bags mean they can rest assured they will have the means to carry their purchases. How often do people returning home from work decide, on a whim, to make a quick stop at Tesco Express to buy a few items of food? How frequently, perhaps on a journey past Oxford Street, are we drawn into a sale by a piece of attractive clobber? Such nonchalant consumption would be made more difficult, perhaps more expensive, without shops' provision of handy, free plastic bags." -- Max Demian Bollix. All you have to do is keep a proper bag or two in the car. They should be charging £1 each for plastic bags. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2013-12-19, Martin Brown wrote: On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote: It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs. Actually, he's right, even if he is mad. I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment. Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically make it wrong. So, you're a hypocrite, too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dered-act.html The DM is a good comic. Nearly as good as the DT. A laugh on every page. |
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... Surely these days most bags seem to just disintegrate in any case. I thought this idea had fixed the problem. If they want to stop crap they need to get real about getting rid of packaging that cannot have other uses unlike bags. That transparent hard see through stuff for a start, they said it could not be done, but I notice Duracell have got rid of it, and others should take note i feel. Brian They never totally disappear. They eventually go into fine dust which ends up in the sea and is ingested by marine creautres to their detriment. http://www.pollutionissues.co.uk/imp...-bags-sea.html |
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"NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Peter Duncanson" wrote in message ... In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags (paper as well as plastic) since April this year. Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable? If the levy is attempt to reduce the use of plastic bags because they are not biodegradable, then why are supermarkets not encouraged to supply alternative paper single-use bags which do not suffer from the problem? I resent having to carry a bulky bag-for-life with me on the off-chance that I might want to buy something. Too much of modern life requires you to plan ahead (bag for life, buying railway tickets in advance to get best fare, etc) instead of allowing you to be impulsive and spur-of-the-moment. We always re-use supermarket carriers for lining rubbish bins (eg in the kitchen, one for general landfill rubbish like packaging, and another for food waste and vegetable peelings that can be composted) as a free alternative to buying a roll of bin bags. Once the levy is introduced, quite apart from having to buy a large number of bags for life, to accommodate everything that we buy at one go, we'll have to spend even more money buying rolls of binliner bags that we used to get for free as single-use carrier bags. And all because some plebs can't be arsed to throw away their carrier bags in the bin after using them. Impulsive/random is always bad. You should consider all purchases before buying. Unless of course it is something you use being sold off cheap. |
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On 19/12/2013 14:08, alan wrote:
On 19/12/2013 07:41, harryagain wrote: Why don'tyou take a proper bag to the supermarket when shopping or don't you have the foresight? I keep around 6 laundry bags (each approx 2x carrier bag capacity) in the back of the car and use them 4/5 years before they have to be chucked away. 95% of my supermarket shopping is transported in these bags. Example - smallest size in link http://tinyurl.com/ptufj8m Supermarket bags are quite unsuitable for most of the uses you put them to anyway. I do recycle all supermarket bags that I do get in the same way as Bill does. From what I've read, in countries that have introduced charging the usage has gone down but sales of other plastic bags has risen. I doubt if any less plastic goes to land fill. If the greenies really want to save the planet let them campaign to make all unsoliced snail junk mail illegal. I shred all the leaflets and junk that comes through my letter box and compost it. I get a sackful of paper per month (7 A4 sheets of glossy paper so far today and the postman hasn't made a delivery yet). We've all got used to Aldi and Lidl not handing out bags for free, and I admire them for sticking to their guns (unlike the big supermarkets) |
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