I just had an Ideal Logic 24 combi boiler installed in the ground floor
coat cupboard of my 3-bed semi. It's all working properly, but it sounds
quite noisy from within upstairs rooms. Surprisingly, if you stand right
outside the boiler cupboard, it sounds very quiet - even if the cupboard
door is open. From upstairs, it sounds like a Boeing 747 just prior to
takeoff. I guess it must be sending its sound waves directly upwards rather
than outwards. Or could the sound be the actual copper pipework resonating?

I've been thinking about installing some kind of soundproof ceiling in the
cupboard. Or is there some other remedy I should try first?

TIA

PK

Phil K wrote in
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I just had an Ideal Logic 24 combi boiler installed in the ground
floor coat cupboard of my 3-bed semi. It's all working properly, but
it sounds quite noisy from within upstairs rooms. Surprisingly, if you
stand right outside the boiler cupboard, it sounds very quiet - even
if the cupboard door is open. From upstairs, it sounds like a Boeing
747 just prior to takeoff. I guess it must be sending its sound waves
directly upwards rather than outwards. Or could the sound be the
actual copper pipework resonating?

I've been thinking about installing some kind of soundproof ceiling in
the cupboard. Or is there some other remedy I should try first?


PS... Correction!: The boiler DOES sound noisy at its location in the coat
cupboard. (I just checked again, during a period when the rest of the house
is quiet). In fact, its location in the cupboard, is the place where the
noise is loudest, as you'd expect. I've noticed that the noise doesn't stop
as soon as the "burner on" LED goes out. And if I switch the boiler's front
knob to off (i.e., from 'central heating' to completely 'off', the noise
continues for approximately 4 minutes afterwards. The noise starts again
instantly, as soon as I switch the boiler back on to "C" mode or "C+D"
(ie., c/h + dhw). The noise sounds to me like the sound of a main burner -
hence my earlier reference to a jet engine.

TIA

PK

Phil K wrote in
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PS... Correction!: The boiler DOES sound noisy at its location in the
coat cupboard. (I just checked again, during a period when the rest of
the house is quiet). In fact, its location in the cupboard, is the
place where the noise is loudest, as you'd expect. I've noticed that
the noise doesn't stop as soon as the "burner on" LED goes out. And if
I switch the boiler's front knob to off (i.e., from 'central heating'
to completely 'off', the noise continues for approximately 4 minutes
afterwards. The noise starts again instantly, as soon as I switch the
boiler back on to "C" mode or "C+D" (ie., c/h + dhw). The noise sounds
to me like the sound of a main burner - hence my earlier reference to
a jet engine.


PPS... Since the noise seems to be constant, while the c/h is turned on,
and continues 4 minutes after it is turned off, and dos not disappear when
the burner LED goes out, does this suggest that it is the flue fan that is
making all the noise? Is this normal?

On 16/11/2012 09:11, Phil K wrote:
Phil K wrote in
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PS... Correction!: The boiler DOES sound noisy at its location in the
coat cupboard. (I just checked again, during a period when the rest of
the house is quiet). In fact, its location in the cupboard, is the
place where the noise is loudest, as you'd expect. I've noticed that
the noise doesn't stop as soon as the "burner on" LED goes out. And if
I switch the boiler's front knob to off (i.e., from 'central heating'
to completely 'off', the noise continues for approximately 4 minutes
afterwards. The noise starts again instantly, as soon as I switch the
boiler back on to "C" mode or "C+D" (ie., c/h + dhw). The noise sounds
to me like the sound of a main burner - hence my earlier reference to
a jet engine.


PPS... Since the noise seems to be constant, while the c/h is turned on,
and continues 4 minutes after it is turned off, and dos not disappear when
the burner LED goes out, does this suggest that it is the flue fan that is
making all the noise? Is this normal?


I've got the Logic 30, newly installed. I don't think it's overly noisy
as these things go, but I will box it in when the time comes.

The 4 minute thing is either 'fan purge' or 'pump overrun' - does it not
say that on the display? This suggests to me that the noise is more pump
than burner.

My main complaint is a high pitched tone that can be heard in the
bathroom, directly above the boiler, and throughout the house in the
dead of night. Previous house with identical boiler did the same.

Rob

RJH wrote in news:50a6a26c$0$15072$c3e8da3
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I've got the Logic 30, newly installed. I don't think it's overly noisy
as these things go, but I will box it in when the time comes.

The 4 minute thing is either 'fan purge' or 'pump overrun' - does it not
say that on the display? This suggests to me that the noise is more pump
than burner.


Hi,
Thanks for the input.

My main complaint is a high pitched tone that can be heard in the
bathroom, directly above the boiler, and throughout the house in the
dead of night. Previous house with identical boiler did the same.

I hear similar occasionally, just as something inside the boiler is
shutting off (valve or burner flame; I'm not sure which). That's what it
sounds like to me, anyway.

PK

Phil K wrote:
I just had an Ideal Logic 24 combi boiler installed in the ground
floor coat cupboard of my 3-bed semi. It's all working properly, but
it sounds quite noisy from within upstairs rooms. Surprisingly, if
you stand right outside the boiler cupboard, it sounds very quiet -
even if the cupboard door is open. From upstairs, it sounds like a
Boeing 747 just prior to takeoff. I guess it must be sending its
sound waves directly upwards rather than outwards. Or could the sound
be the actual copper pipework resonating?

I've been thinking about installing some kind of soundproof ceiling
in the cupboard. Or is there some other remedy I should try first?

Have a length of plastic pipe on the flow & return at the boiler to reduce
noises running through the copper pipes.

Ideal are not the best of boilers.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in
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Have a length of plastic pipe on the flow & return at the boiler to
reduce noises running through the copper pipes.

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

PK

Phil K wrote in :

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.


I'm looking at the copper pipes coming from my boiler, and am thinking
about embedding them in concrete to subdue the sound waves in the pipes.


JakeD

On Nov 21, 11:09*am, JakeD wrote:
Phil K wrote :

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

I'm looking at the copper pipes coming from my boiler, and am thinking
about embedding them in concrete to subdue the sound waves in the pipes.

JakeD

Won't that risk corroding the copper pipes?

Jonathan

On 16/11/2012 09:11, Phil K wrote:
Phil K wrote in
:


PS... Correction!: The boiler DOES sound noisy at its location in the
coat cupboard. (I just checked again, during a period when the rest of
the house is quiet). In fact, its location in the cupboard, is the
place where the noise is loudest, as you'd expect. I've noticed that
the noise doesn't stop as soon as the "burner on" LED goes out. And if
I switch the boiler's front knob to off (i.e., from 'central heating'
to completely 'off', the noise continues for approximately 4 minutes
afterwards. The noise starts again instantly, as soon as I switch the
boiler back on to "C" mode or "C+D" (ie., c/h + dhw). The noise sounds
to me like the sound of a main burner - hence my earlier reference to
a jet engine.


PPS... Since the noise seems to be constant, while the c/h is turned on,
and continues 4 minutes after it is turned off, and dos not disappear when
the burner LED goes out, does this suggest that it is the flue fan that is
making all the noise? Is this normal?


To me that sounds like a pump and water noise. If there is circulating
air signified by a sound of small tacks in the heating system then it
would be prudent to remove this air if at all possible. The pump is
generally powered through the boiler and will run for an extra few
minutes to remove heat from the heat exchangers after the flame is out.

The pump is in the boiler and I'm not sure if you can alter the pump
speed. If you can it might be worth reducing it by one notch.

On 21/11/2012 11:18, Jonathan wrote:
On Nov 21, 11:09 am, JakeD wrote:
Phil K wrote :

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

I'm looking at the copper pipes coming from my boiler, and am thinking
about embedding them in concrete to subdue the sound waves in the pipes.

JakeD

Won't that risk corroding the copper pipes?

Jonathan

No - not until round tuits convert looking into action.:-)

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Rod

polygonum wrote in news:ah47bjFsvc4U1
@mid.individual.net:

Won't that risk corroding the copper pipes?

Any more so than, say having a copper pipe outside, exposed to the
elements? If so, I suppose the pipes could be painted first, to protect
them from whatever corrosives might be present in concrete...

JakeD

On 21/11/2012 17:42, JakeD wrote:
polygonum wrote in news:ah47bjFsvc4U1
@mid.individual.net:

Won't that risk corroding the copper pipes?

Any more so than, say having a copper pipe outside, exposed to the
elements? If so, I suppose the pipes could be painted first, to protect
them from whatever corrosives might be present in concrete...

JakeD

Actually, from what I have read, I think it entirely possible that
concrete/cement could be far more aggressive than "weather".

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Rod

"Phil K" wrote in message
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in
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Have a length of plastic pipe on the flow & return at the boiler to
reduce noises running through the copper pipes.

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

The vibration-dampening pipe is called plastic pipe.

the noise is fan purge i fit these all the time in social housing crap boilers but hey if you have a heat 12 for the price of a memory chip you can turn it into a 24kw

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:20:51 PM UTC, Phil K wrote:
I just had an Ideal Logic 24 combi boiler installed in the ground floor

coat cupboard of my 3-bed semi. It's all working properly, but it sounds

quite noisy from within upstairs rooms. Surprisingly, if you stand right

outside the boiler cupboard, it sounds very quiet - even if the cupboard

door is open. From upstairs, it sounds like a Boeing 747 just prior to

takeoff. I guess it must be sending its sound waves directly upwards rather

than outwards. Or could the sound be the actual copper pipework resonating?



I've been thinking about installing some kind of soundproof ceiling in the

cupboard. Or is there some other remedy I should try first?



TIA



PK

Hi
I had one of these boilers fitted last September only realised when the winter months arrived how noisy it is. I described it exactly as you did quiet enough at the boiler but sounds like a plane taking off throughout the house. The noise goes on for hours and is driving me mad, I had someone come out but he just said they fit the boiler not my system and it is the power of the boiler causing this throughout the system. I said I'll have to learn to live with it but I can't. It was put in through the government scheme so I feel I should not complain, but I am 68 and wish I still had my old boiler.

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:20:51 PM UTC, Phil K wrote:
I just had an Ideal Logic 24 combi boiler installed in the ground floor coat cupboard of my 3-bed semi. It's all working properly, but it sounds quite noisy from within upstairs rooms. Surprisingly, if you stand right outside the boiler cupboard, it sounds very quiet - even if the cupboard door is open. From upstairs, it sounds like a Boeing 747 just prior to takeoff. I guess it must be sending its sound waves directly upwards rather than outwards. Or could the sound be the actual copper pipework resonating? I've been thinking about installing some kind of soundproof ceiling in the cupboard. Or is there some other remedy I should try first? TIA PK

HI,
I've recently had an ideal boiler fitted and it's making a constant high pitch noise like you describe. Did you manage to do anything to stop the noise?
Thanks

I fit around 40 of these boilers a year and am an accredited installer. Chasing pipe work into the wall or taking pipes outside is madness.. These boilers are one of the quietest on the market. Obviously boilers make noise but not like a 747.
You either have air or crap in the system or a faulty boiler. I had a customer with a noisy Boiler and Ideal came straight out & replaced the gas valve..(these boilers come with a 7-5 year warranty..
If fitted properly they won't be noisy, that's one of the reasons we Powerflush a system. If there's a whooshing noise when the boiler fires then it's a faulty gas valve or the gas pipe work is undersized..
If there's a high pitched noise whilst boiler is working then it's either air in the pump or the fan squeeling.. The pump can be bleed of air, if it's the fan then it's an Ideal problem.
Don't put up with a noisy boiler!!!
The old chestnut ' I can't guarantee the system I only fitted the boiler' is a crock of crap..
If an installer has fitted the boiler & it's making a noise get them back to sort it..
We make enough money to be able to warrant a happy customer!!
Ideal Logic boilers are fantastic for the money..

On 21/11/2012 11:09, JakeD wrote:
Phil K wrote in :

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

I'm looking at the copper pipes coming from my boiler, and am thinking
about embedding them in concrete to subdue the sound waves in the pipes.

You don't want concrete apart from causing corrosion that will just
couple the noise into the brick structure of the house!

You can cast a reasonable bell out of concrete if you try hard enough
(or make springs out of it).

Something like a HDPE foam sleeve tie wrapped onto the pipes or
sorbothane might damp out some of the noise. My CH pump is supported
this way. You might need to experiment to find the right separation of
supports to damp out the worst resonance(s) in the pipework.

A noisy new install boiler is most likely air in the system somewhere
allowing it to kettle. When everything is off bleeding the system at the
highest point ought to fix it after a couple of goes.

Sound transmission is astonishingly difficult to prevent. The dense rock
wool sold for cavity wall insulation works fairly well as an acoustic
damper that is not flammable and has reasonable acoustic mass.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On 26/02/2014 09:35, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/11/2012 11:09, JakeD wrote:
Phil K wrote in :

I wondered about that. Has anyone else here found that to make a
significant improvement? It would be good if someone made a special
vibration-dampening pipe for this purpose.

I'm looking at the copper pipes coming from my boiler, and am thinking
about embedding them in concrete to subdue the sound waves in the pipes.

You don't want concrete apart from causing corrosion that will just
couple the noise into the brick structure of the house!

You can cast a reasonable bell out of concrete if you try hard enough
(or make springs out of it).

Something like a HDPE foam sleeve tie wrapped onto the pipes or
sorbothane might damp out some of the noise. My CH pump is supported
this way. You might need to experiment to find the right separation of
supports to damp out the worst resonance(s) in the pipework.

A noisy new install boiler is most likely air in the system somewhere
allowing it to kettle. When everything is off bleeding the system at the
highest point ought to fix it after a couple of goes.

Sound transmission is astonishingly difficult to prevent. The dense rock
wool sold for cavity wall insulation works fairly well as an acoustic
damper that is not flammable and has reasonable acoustic mass.


I have the same boiler, and work elsewhere meant I had the opportunity
to place some plastic pipe in the run. This all but solved the ringing.
But after a few weeks it came back. My own theory is sludge in the
radiators and air. Not urgent.

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Cheers, Rob

I had one of these boilers fitted today, I am also 68 and got it through a government scheme. It is very noisy, it has the sort of sound my old boiler made when I was running water. It is in a GF utility room with door and there is a long kitchen between it and where I am sitting with my laptop. I then went up stairs and I could hear it slightly still in the bathroom but thankfully not in my bedroom. I turned my boiler off an hour ago and the noise continued for at least 15 minutes then suddenly silence. I think that if I had the TV on or some music I wouldn't notice is but I like sitting in peace and quiet. They are coming to install the installation next week so I will have a word them. I feel like you, my old boiler was not efficient but it was quiet unless water was being tun.

I know its a long time ago. But have any of thd problem's been sorted. We had a logic 24 fitted as our vokera blew up so needed something gitted quickl, without research. It is driving me mad, I cant have the boiler running when im in ghe house because of the same noise described. I has been put in the same place as our old one which I never heard.

That's really ironic, I've got an Ideal at home and it's used to make a noise for ages!!!. I was wondering if my system was 'power flushed' before the boiler was fitted, just in case there's some gunk got in it from the pipes - though I suspect that's unlikely.

Sounds like a local heating engineer might be worth a call, those guys are great at fixing niggles like that - I should know as I got STL Heating out to take a look, turns out it was something they were able to fix (I think it was a part) - but yeah had no probs since. So might be worth getting in touch with them.

5 posts today in this group from this spammer for STL -
"amazed at how much I'd ended-up saving "
"blog that someone made"
"rang some local North West based firms"

- I smell a rat.

On 12/02/2015 11:42, wrote:

Sounds like a local heating engineer might be worth a call, those

Bit late I would have thought - the question was over two years ago...

guys are great at fixing niggles like that - I should know as I got
STL Heating out to take a look, turns out it was something they were

Na I would steer clear of that lot - I have heard one of the owners is a
prolific newsgroup spammer.


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John.

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replying to Fredxx, Esther Wood wrote:
Hi I just moved in had new boiler last year .the boiler constantly make noise
been serviced

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How old is this post, anyway, most likely cause is the system is now old
full of gunge and probably causing issues.
Brian

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replying to Fredxx, Esther Wood wrote:
Hi I just moved in had new boiler last year .the boiler constantly make
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On 15/09/2019 04:14, Esther Wood wrote:
replying to Fredxx, Esther Wood wrote:
Hi I just moved in had new boiler last year .the boiler constantly make
noise
been serviced


Wow, you reply to a post 7 years old.

Can I recommend you become versed with usenet. This might assist:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub
and
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...up_access_tips

2012, so it's probably already been recycled into some more
Lidl, middle isle tat by now.

Andrew


On 15/09/2019 10:12, Brian Gaff wrote:
How old is this post, anyway, most likely cause is the system is now old
full of gunge and probably causing issues.
Brian

replying to Doctor Drivel, Bigman wrote:
Ideal are well made good old UK made in Hull

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