"Peter Ashby" wrote
| I'll grant the convenience of en-suite shower/bathrooms. However,
| I've yet to see a modern (as in less than 10 years old) with a "study
| room" that would actually be capable of holding a decent sized desk
| and a filing cabinet :-(
| I've looked at some new ones to rent where the stated 3rd bedroom would
| barely fit a small 2 man sofa.

My aforementioned friend in Milton Keynes can barely fit a small 2-person
sofa in the sitting room.

Oh well, Builders From Hell on ITV shortly, should cheer us all up.

Owain

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Who puts cars in garages anyway? The police recommend not to put them
in
as a car outside is a deterrent to burglars.


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And for crying out loud, why the heck did your newsreader see fit to
post this drivel FOUR times?

Blame the ISP.

And get the sig. sorted eh? It's TWO dashes
and a SPACE, not three dashes.

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"Martin Angove" wrote in message
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And for crying out loud, why the heck did your newsreader see fit to
post this drivel FOUR times?

Blame the ISP.

Yeah, sorry for the rant. Wasn't in a good mood last night. Who exactly
is your ISP?

And get the sig. sorted eh? It's TWO dashes
and a SPACE, not three dashes.

Automatically done

And is the ISP responsible for inserting the sig too, or is that down
at your end? Surely there must be a setting to change somewhere.

:-)

Hwyl!

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"Martin Angove" wrote in message
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[small garages]

If you can't build it that big then it is no more than a glorified
garden shed filled with lawnmowers and bikes, so why not build it so
that it is accessible from the garden and come clean that that is what
it is?

Builders I'm sure know this and do give access to the garden.




I dunno. I've yet to come across a garage which is as usefully close to
the garden as it is to the "driveway". Integral garages usually seem to
have a utility room between them and the garden when what you really
need is a door directly into the garden so that you can get the
lawnmower out without too much hassle. Separate garages are usually just
too far away to be useful as garden stores - most developers seem to
put them in front of the house if possible.

Hwyl!

M.

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"IMM" wrote in message news:bf1bp0
I like the light look. Just like the American lady on the TV. Keep it
light, that is why the builders always finish in cream.



I meant weight, not colour! Talking about that American lady, what she
does is not exactly rocket science. You turn up in a filthy house,
remove all the chintz and slap some magnolia over it.

On 15 Jul 2003 09:39:58 -0700, (StealthUK) wrote:

The main thing I hate about new build is the light doors and walls
that just feel like you're living in a temporary house.

That and the 6'6" ceilings, or whatever the hell they are. If I can't
practise my golf swing indoors without removing chunks of plaster, it's not
a proper house in my book.

--
John

"Martin Angove" wrote in message
...

If you can't build it that big then it is no more than a glorified
garden shed filled with lawnmowers and bikes, so why not build it so
that it is accessible from the garden and come clean that that is what
it is?

Builders I'm sure know this and do give access to the garden.

I dunno. I've yet to come across a garage which is as usefully close to
the garden as it is to the "driveway". Integral garages usually seem to
have a utility room between them and the garden when what you really
need is a door directly into the garden so that you can get the
lawnmower out without too much hassle. Separate garages are usually just
too far away to be useful as garden stores - most developers seem to
put them in front of the house if possible.

Most new houses I have seen (depending on plot of course) tend to have the
driveway at the side of the house and the garage behind with the garage
having a door to the garden.

Lawnmowers and garden tools are best in an insulated shed.


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I like the light look. Just like the American lady on the TV. Keep it
light, that is why the builders always finish in cream.

I meant weight, not colour! Talking about that American lady, what she
does is not exactly rocket science. You turn up in a filthy house,
remove all the chintz and slap some magnolia over it.

A bit more to it than that.


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"Martin Angove" wrote in message
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And is the ISP responsible for inserting the sig too, or is that down
at your end? Surely there must be a setting to change somewhere.

The sig is put in by the virus software. Does it make a difference to some
people?

Yes. News and mail readers recognise the dash-dash-space sequence and
automatically trim sigs from follow-ups and replies. As your sig is
dash-dash-dash Gravity (my newsreader) failed to do so, hence what it
below being below.


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Someone:
My 8 year old house has ~2.4m/95" ceilings....

Standard here (Newfoundland) last 50 years or so, has been
generally 96 inches. i.e. eight foot plasterboard sheets
vertically or two four foot sheets horizontally. Mainly wood
frame.
Newer houses now tend to be more elaborate often with a 'sunken'
living room or higher ceilings.
Usually only seen lower ceilings in older rural (fishing village)
houses and in some factory built houses designed to be shipped
and used 'up north' where the ceiling were six inches lower,
there were fewer inside doors and houses were smaller in order to
conserve heating requirements.
Cheers. Terry.

Martin Angove wrote:

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"IMM" wrote:


"Martin Angove" wrote in message
...

[small garages]

If you can't build it that big then it is no more than a glorified
garden shed filled with lawnmowers and bikes, so why not build it so
that it is accessible from the garden and come clean that that is what
it is?

Builders I'm sure know this and do give access to the garden.




I dunno. I've yet to come across a garage which is as usefully close to
the garden as it is to the "driveway". Integral garages usually seem to
have a utility room between them and the garden when what you really
need is a door directly into the garden so that you can get the
lawnmower out without too much hassle. Separate garages are usually just

ATM the back of my garage has a door straight into the garden which, as
you say, is handy for getting the lawnmower etc. out. However, the
extension that's about to go up will be across the back of the garage so
I'll lose that benefit (hence the need to retain the path down the side
of it). At least I will now have a door into the garage from the house
so I won't have to go outside in the middle of winter to reset the mcb
when a light bulb blows.

too far away to be useful as garden stores - most developers seem to
put them in front of the house if possible.

Hwyl!

M.

IMM wrote:

"Martin Angove" wrote in message
...

If you can't build it that big then it is no more than a glorified
garden shed filled with lawnmowers and bikes, so why not build it so
that it is accessible from the garden and come clean that that is what
it is?

Builders I'm sure know this and do give access to the garden.

I dunno. I've yet to come across a garage which is as usefully close to
the garden as it is to the "driveway". Integral garages usually seem to
have a utility room between them and the garden when what you really
need is a door directly into the garden so that you can get the
lawnmower out without too much hassle. Separate garages are usually just
too far away to be useful as garden stores - most developers seem to
put them in front of the house if possible.

Most new houses I have seen (depending on plot of course) tend to have the
driveway at the side of the house and the garage behind with the garage
having a door to the garden.

Lawnmowers and garden tools are best in an insulated shed.



That's a point; this is the first integral garage that I've had and
tools etc. don't go rusty anymore (and it's not too cold to work in
there in winter).

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Colin Blackburn wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Martin Angove" wrote in message
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And is the ISP responsible for inserting the sig too, or is that down
at your end? Surely there must be a setting to change somewhere.

The sig is put in by the virus software. Does it make a difference to some
people?

Yes. News and mail readers recognise the dash-dash-space sequence and
automatically trim sigs from follow-ups and replies. As your sig is
dash-dash-dash Gravity (my newsreader) failed to do so, hence what it
below being below.

Just about every News reader, not just Gravity.

In IMM's case he's using OE which has broken sig-dashes[1] anyway so
even if he used that to add the sig, rather than the AV software it
would still be wrong. Guess /he/ just can't win ;-)

[1] It correctly adds dash-dash-space but then strips the trailing space
when sending. Duh!



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John Laird wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:44:03 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

"John Laird" wrote in message
. ..
On 15 Jul 2003 09:39:58 -0700, (StealthUK) wrote:

The main thing I hate about new build is the light doors and walls
that just feel like you're living in a temporary house.

Depends on the builder again. Don't generalise. Once again it is like
coming in from outer space and judging all car like Ladas because that was
the only one you ever went in.

I didn't say that. You could take a little more care in reading the
attributions correctly.

That and the 6'6" ceilings, or whatever the hell they are. If I can't
practise my golf swing indoors without removing chunks of plaster, it's
not
a proper house in my book.

7.5 foot is the average. Installing flush downlighters makes the ceiling
seem 2 foot taller. Put downlighters in the hall above the stairwell and
the stairs appear cavernous.

With a standard door at 78" and a few inches of architrave, that must put
the average new ceiling not much more than 6 inches from the door frame.

My 8 year old house has ~2.4m/95" ceilings....

Yuk. Also, I don't want to be able to reach the ceiling, thanks, or be

....which means that I can change bulbs in recessed lights and paint the
ceiling, with a normal roller, without the need to stand on anything.

forced to use downlighters or very shallow hanging light fittings so I don't
bash my head on them.

I suppose there are two issues with low ceilings. One is that it saves a
measly amount by way of a couple of brick courses (or one breeze block) and
a modicum of plaster, paint, wiring, plumbing, and the other is that by
shrinking the height it is possible to shrink the width to retain a
proportioned look. All a con, of course. Especially those builds where the
downstairs ceilings look okay, but upstairs they have skimped on a brick.

You must be used to 10 foot ceiling with your golf swing. Who plays golf in
the house????

There is a distinction between practising a swing, and playing the game...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:45:18 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote:

John Laird wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:44:03 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

7.5 foot is the average. Installing flush downlighters makes the ceiling
seem 2 foot taller. Put downlighters in the hall above the stairwell and
the stairs appear cavernous.

With a standard door at 78" and a few inches of architrave, that must put
the average new ceiling not much more than 6 inches from the door frame.

My 8 year old house has ~2.4m/95" ceilings....

9' here. Proper man-sized house :-)

Yuk. Also, I don't want to be able to reach the ceiling, thanks, or be

...which means that I can change bulbs in recessed lights and paint the
ceiling, with a normal roller, without the need to stand on anything.

Well, each to his own. I no more want to feel the ceiling is too close to
my head than the walls are close to my elbows, as I move around.

--
John

Terry wrote:

It and some other programmes such as redecorating one room in
your neighbours house in 24 hours for $1000 or less, called IIRC,
"Changing places".

ITYM "Trading Spaces" which is based on the BBC's "Changing Rooms".

Another, where one partner has the other lured
away for a few days and redecorates and alters his/her favourite
room/s; called (again IIRC) "While you were out", or something
equally banal! I suspect that like many 'good' ideas these

Not sure about that one, but I caught the end of a programme the other
month (don't know whether it was a series or a one-off) where the
parents went away and the *kids* redesigned (with expert help of course)
a room in the house. The one I saw was hilarious; the kids had changed
their *parents* bedroom into a Japanese-style Capsule Hotel, complete
with a capsule each! Obviously didn;t want anymore brothers or sisters :-)

P.S. The footnote while the credits were rolling showed that the
capsules had been moved into the kids' rooms.

programmes were originally invented on the UK side of the pond
under other names?
Now where's that can of high gloss white enamel for the kitchen?
:-)
Have fun.

"Terry" wrote
| It and some other programmes such as redecorating one room in
| your neighbours house in 24 hours for $1000 or less, called IIRC,
| "Changing places".

Changing Rooms?

The "you don't think they'll mind if you nail some MDF to granny's antique
furniture and paint it to look Egyptian" school of interior des, er,
disaster.

The British version had Carol or Linda or whoever (can't remember which)
design some suspended glass shelves for the house owner's collection of
(some rather valuable) china teapots.

The room was 'dressed' and all the teapots in place on the glass shelves
suspended by rope from the ceiling, and everyone was in another room (the
owner in another house) when

CRASH TINKLE TINKLE

The ceiling fixings gave way and the entire caboodle descended
gravitationally floorwards.

Carol or Linda or whoever had to go round to the owner and say, "you know
your collection of teapots? well, they're *all* gone". More smashed than a
Clyde shipwelder after closing time on payday.

Owain

"parish" parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote in message
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John Laird wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:44:03 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

"John Laird" wrote in message
. ..
On 15 Jul 2003 09:39:58 -0700, (StealthUK) wrote:

The main thing I hate about new build is the light doors and walls
that just feel like you're living in a temporary house.

Depends on the builder again. Don't generalise. Once again it is like
coming in from outer space and judging all car like Ladas because that
was
the only one you ever went in.

I didn't say that. You could take a little more care in reading the
attributions correctly.

That and the 6'6" ceilings, or whatever the hell they are. If I can't
practise my golf swing indoors without removing chunks of plaster,
it's
not
a proper house in my book.

7.5 foot is the average. Installing flush downlighters makes the
ceiling
seem 2 foot taller. Put downlighters in the hall above the stairwell
and
the stairs appear cavernous.

With a standard door at 78" and a few inches of architrave, that must
put
the average new ceiling not much more than 6 inches from the door frame.

usually about 8 to 10 inches.

I suppose there are two issues with low ceilings. One is that it saves
a
measly amount by way of a couple of brick courses (or one breeze block)
and
a modicum of plaster, paint, wiring, plumbing, and the other is that by
shrinking the height it is possible to shrink the width to retain a
proportioned look. All a con, of course. Especially those builds where
the
downstairs ceilings look okay, but upstairs they have skimped on a
brick.

In many cases the Draconian planning system insisst that the house cannot be
above a certain height, so lower ceilings it is. Also the what diocates is
the stadard height of a 8x4 wallboard

You must be used to 10 foot ceiling with your golf swing. Who plays
golf in
the house????

There is a distinction between
practising a swing, and playing the game...

Do you practise rugby in the as well?


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parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote:

Terry wrote:

It and some other programmes such as redecorating one room in
your neighbours house in 24 hours for $1000 or less, called IIRC,
"Changing places".

ITYM "Trading Spaces" which is based on the BBC's "Changing Rooms".

Another, where one partner has the other lured
away for a few days and redecorates and alters his/her favourite
room/s; called (again IIRC) "While you were out", or something
equally banal! I suspect that like many 'good' ideas these

Not sure about that one,
[...]

It sounds to me like an indoor version of Ground Force.

Hwyl!

M.

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Martin Angove wrote in message ...
In message ,
Julian Fowler wrote:


So why not take the third option and build your own?

snip
Hwyl!

M.

I whole heartily agree with this, this is what i'm doing and have high
ceilings 9ft down 8½ up and 12ft in the loft/ boys’ rooms. I
wanted a big garage so i've built one 30ft by 20 ft, the list goes on.
I can’t push self-build enough but it’s taken me 3 years
from buying plot to now and we are still not finished. It’s Very
hard on her indoors having to choose everything its a lot harder than
you think.
Rob