On 23/03/2012 13:44, Ian Jackson wrote:

These magic roundabouts hold no terrors for me. They work great -
provided those using them know what they are doing.

I wonder what insurance and claims management companies think of them?

--
Adrian C

On Friday, 23 March 2012 13:41:10 UTC, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , funkyoldcortina
writes
On 22/03/12 16:05, funkyoldcortina wrote:
On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle
lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.


In other words, those travelling from A to B

http://g.co/maps/t9rjp

on the link above.... which lane shouuld they approach the roundabout in?

The answer is Lane 2 or 3. Both would be satisfactory, provided you made
your intentions clear by indicating correctly.

I would hold my position (in an imaginary lane) on the roundabout, and
start (and keep) indicating right until I was passing Exit 1. I would
then stop indicating.

Then, when was opposite the exit lane for Exit 2, I would start
indicating left, and (if OK to do so) progressively begin moving to the
left - but keeping a good watch to my left in case anyone about to enter
(my) Exit 2 appeared to be entering the roundabout and coming up on my
left side, thus preventing me from taking Exit 3.

If all was going OK, I would then continue moving left and exit safely
at Exit 3.
--
Ian

I would treat exits 2 or 3 as "straight on", taking my cue from the fact that the right hand lane on the entry road separates before the junction, whereas the left hand lane splits itself into two. Junctions are inconsistent on this, with some having the right hand lane splitting, and others having the left hand lane splitting.

I would view the right hand lane as to be used only for drivers heading down Marquee Drive, though I would also be on the lookout for drivers who perhaps made a different judgement in the few seconds before arriving at the junction and might want to treat the 3rd exit as a "sort of right turn".

Matt

On Friday, 23 March 2012 16:18:55 UTC, larkim wrote:
On Friday, 23 March 2012 13:41:10 UTC, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , funkyoldcortina
writes
On 22/03/12 16:05, funkyoldcortina wrote:
On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle
lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.


In other words, those travelling from A to B

http://g.co/maps/t9rjp

on the link above.... which lane shouuld they approach the roundabout in?

The answer is Lane 2 or 3. Both would be satisfactory, provided you made
your intentions clear by indicating correctly.

I would hold my position (in an imaginary lane) on the roundabout, and
start (and keep) indicating right until I was passing Exit 1. I would
then stop indicating.

Then, when was opposite the exit lane for Exit 2, I would start
indicating left, and (if OK to do so) progressively begin moving to the
left - but keeping a good watch to my left in case anyone about to enter
(my) Exit 2 appeared to be entering the roundabout and coming up on my
left side, thus preventing me from taking Exit 3.

If all was going OK, I would then continue moving left and exit safely
at Exit 3.
--
Ian

I would treat exits 2 or 3 as "straight on", taking my cue from the fact that the right hand lane on the entry road separates before the junction, whereas the left hand lane splits itself into two. Junctions are inconsistent on this, with some having the right hand lane splitting, and others having the left hand lane splitting.

I would view the right hand lane as to be used only for drivers heading down Marquee Drive, though I would also be on the lookout for drivers who perhaps made a different judgement in the few seconds before arriving at the junction and might want to treat the 3rd exit as a "sort of right turn".

Matt

I'd also point out that the preceding road sign indicates that the 3rd exit is the "main" exit from that roundabout (or if it doesn't actually say that, it certainly gives that general impression that that's where they expect most traffic to go to) so that would lead me to think as a driver that you can choose either the middle or right hand lane.

Matt

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
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In message , Brian Watson
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"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who has
arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit 3:-(

Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

So much for your awareness of other road users near you.

:-)

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

--
Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..
Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

Some of them even have slightly raised bits where you'd expect to see
white lines, just to make sure that people get the message.

It's now the Europe wide recommended standard for roundabouts, where
practicable, as it increases traffic flow by reducing confusion and
discouraging drivers from just cutting across, or overtaking on the
roundabout.

--
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John.

In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

I love these. Just when you have congratulated yourself on having
selected the correct lane, you find yourself in the wrong one!
--
Ian

"Adrian C" wrote in message
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On 23/03/2012 13:44, Ian Jackson wrote:

These magic roundabouts hold no terrors for me. They work great -
provided those using them know what they are doing.

I wonder what insurance and claims management companies think of them?

I would think they wonder why a short bit of road in between islands should
cause a problem to a driver.
That is all they are, there is nothing magic about them.
If you shrank the M25 down it would look similar with more islands.

In message , Brian Watson
writes

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
.. .
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who has
arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit 3:-(

Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

So much for your awareness of other road users near you.

I didn't hit her. Just got a bit surprised as did the gentleman behind
me.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row
(top of the picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you
intend to exit onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the
picture). Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what
is
basically a right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching
in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane
to exit on Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive
at 2nd exit (Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1)
into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who
has arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit
3:-( Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

So much for your awareness of other road users near you.

I didn't hit her.

Dennis Waterman would have.

--
Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..
Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

We are very easily impressed round here.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..
Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

We are very easily impressed round here.

You must have been to Stairfoot roundabout:-)

It is fun getting from Broad Street to Exchange Plaza on Park Square. The
biggest challenge is getting past the sweet shop at the end of Broad Street.

The second biggest challenge are the two stupid exits from the roundabout
(one of them for buses) that are next to each other with a stupid island
between them.

--
Adam

Bill Wright wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..
Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

We are very easily impressed round here.

BTW Did you work at the Earl of Doncaster when it had an extention built a
couple of years ago?

--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row
(top of the picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you
intend to exit onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the
picture). Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what
is
basically a right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching
in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane
to exit on Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive
at 2nd exit (Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1)
into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who
has arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit
3:-( Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

So much for your awareness of other road users near you.

I didn't hit her.

Dennis Waterman would have.

Not as a Rula...

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

On 23/03/12 14:11, Adrian C wrote:
On 23/03/2012 13:44, Ian Jackson wrote:

These magic roundabouts hold no terrors for me. They work great -
provided those using them know what they are doing.

I wonder what insurance and claims management companies think of them?


I don't think I remember hearing of a single accident on Swindon's magic
roundabout the whole time I lived there....

On 23/03/12 19:48, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

I love these. Just when you have congratulated yourself on having selected
the correct lane, you find yourself in the wrong one!

In which case your congratulations were sorely misplaced.

Spiralling outwards is good. It means you should never need to change lanes
on the roundabout, from the approach right through to the exit...

On 23/03/12 11:00, Brian Watson wrote:
wrote in message
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This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Simples.


Interesting. Because the exit is "past 12 O'Clock", and my driving instructor
always taught me that anything past 12 O'Clock is a right turn, therefore the
approach should be in the right lane, unless there are markings to the
contrary, and you should be indicating right.

One often sees near misses, horn soundings and entertaining gestures between
drivers on this roundabout who are approaching from that direction and aiming
for that exit, with some choosing lane 3 and taking a route round the centre
of the roundabout, and some choosing lane 2 and coming up on the lane 3
driver's inside at the point they both wish to exit.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:26:42 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:12:46 -0800 (PST), Onetap wrote:

There are just too many ******* on the UK's roads.

Maybe we need more "shared spaces". No barriers, no kerbs, no signs,
no road markings as we currently know them(*) just a flat open space.
Apparently where they have been introduced accident rates plummet
compared to the barriered, kerbed,
signed and marked areas they replaced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00n96c4

(*) Just different coloured/textured areas that indicate but do not
enforce "paths".

That's surprising. Although I've seen this work in France - perhaps it makes drivers pay more attention.

However in Glasgow where all the lane markings had worn off, chaos ensues at junctions. Glaswegians are just *******.

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:40:46 -0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:12:46 -0800 (PST), Onetap wrote:

There are just too many ******* on the UK's roads.

Maybe we need more "shared spaces". No barriers, no kerbs, no signs,
no road markings as we currently know them(*) just a flat open space.
Apparently where they have been introduced accident rates plummet
compared to the barriered, kerbed, signed and marked areas they replaced.

And journey times probably tend towards infinity. You can always reduce
accident rates by having a speed limit of 4mph.

And 4mph doesn't make journey times longer?

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:00:38 -0000, funkyoldcortina wrote:


This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit onto
Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Middle for the middle two roads, left for the left road, right for the right road. I don't see your problem.

What's daft is when there are two lanes for left, straight ahead, or right. You then get 50% of people taking left lane for straight ahead, and 50% in right lane. Then they argue at the exit.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:09:26 -0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

In message , Brian Watson
writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who has
arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit 3:-(

Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

That's what the horn and fist are for. I mean shaking your fist, you only punch if they damage your car.

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:43:16 -0000, Roger Mills wrote:

On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit
off a roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the
right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would
therefore approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the
middle lane until I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and
then indicate left and move into the left lane to peel off into
Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

Agreed.

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:08:16 -0000, funkyoldcortina wrote:

On 22/03/12 16:05, funkyoldcortina wrote:
On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.


In other words, those travelling from A to B

http://g.co/maps/t9rjp

on the link above.... which lane shouuld they approach the roundabout in?

Did you notice Google have calculated you'd use 2p of fuel for that manoeuvre?

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:30:40 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

ARWadsworth wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..
Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

Some of them even have slightly raised bits where you'd expect to see
white lines, just to make sure that people get the message.

It's now the Europe wide recommended standard for roundabouts, where
practicable, as it increases traffic flow by reducing confusion and
discouraging drivers from just cutting across, or overtaking on the
roundabout.

There's a small roundabout here where the inner lane of it is actually monoblocked (which I and everyone else assumes you are not meant to drive onto (it's about an inch raised)).

Trouble is some of the entrances to the roundabout are wide enough for two cars, so often people who aren't familiar with the roundabout squeeze alongside me to turn right when I'm going left or 2nd left, then when they notice the monoblock, swerve straight into me.

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:12:59 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Roger Mills
scribeth thus
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit
off a roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the
right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would
therefore approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the
middle lane until I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and
then indicate left and move into the left lane to peel off into
Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?


Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Wonder what they were smokin when they dreamt this one up;?...


http://g.co/maps/u77jm

Why on earth does that not cause accidents every 5 minutes? Or at least people spending half an hour touring it till they find their exit. I would certainly forget which way I was facing without the use of a compass.

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On 23/03/12 19:48, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
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Bill Wright wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic
Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park
Square, which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Lots of roundabouts spiral outwards.

I love these. Just when you have congratulated yourself on having selected
the correct lane, you find yourself in the wrong one!

In which case your congratulations were sorely misplaced.

Spiralling outwards is good. It means you should never need to change
lanes on the roundabout, from the approach right through to the exit...

Yebbut....
You usually get 'ushered off' the roundabout before you reach the exit
you want!
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On 29/03/2012 15:08, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
Trouble is some of the entrances to the roundabout are wide enough for
two cars, so often people who aren't familiar with the roundabout
squeeze alongside me to turn right when I'm going left or 2nd left, then
when they notice the monoblock, swerve straight into me.

Anyone who can say "often... swerve straight into me" needs to take a
different approach.

Andy

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:56:47 +0100, Andy Champ wrote:

On 29/03/2012 15:08, Lieutenant Scott wrote:
Trouble is some of the entrances to the roundabout are wide enough for
two cars, so often people who aren't familiar with the roundabout
squeeze alongside me to turn right when I'm going left or 2nd left, then
when they notice the monoblock, swerve straight into me.

Anyone who can say "often... swerve straight into me" needs to take a
different approach.

I'm going round the roundabout as everyone else is, but the odd person thinks they can sneak through in a lane that doesn't exist on the roundabout.

Picture a roundabout with two lanes entering it, but only room for one car to go round it.

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