On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:43:45 +0000, grimly4 wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:23:44 -0000, "MuddyMike"
wrote:

That's the conclusion I reached - this is a hateful junction, indeed,
a hateful series of junctions. Especially after I foolishly used the
M6(Toll) to get to Curborough Sprint Track, with my race car on a
trailer, and was charged for 2 cars and a trailer. I've never used the
M6(Toll) again.

Now that is a rip-off, worthy of Rip-Off Britain

They were wrong to charge for two cars, it should have been just car and
trailer as indeed they do for a car towing an enclosed box trailer big
enough to contain a car.

Crossing the Severn Bridge, towing a car on an A-frame, I was just
charged for a Transit + trailer. Same for Irish Ferries - result.

Well, that seems logical, whether the charge is based on 'footprint' or
on wear and tear caused by wheels - in any sane world I'm not sure how a
car on a trailer with no point of it contacting the ground or overhanging
the edges should mean an extra charge.

John Williamson :
Can I nominate the Coventry inner ring road as the most dangerously
designed road in Europe? Junctions every few hundred yards, with the
onbound slips merging into the offbound slips, with vehicles trying to
join and leave the ring road using the same few yards of junction.

Dangerous, yes. But a real hoot just the same.

--
Mike Barnes

Terry Casey wrote:
In article ,
says...

Google Earth this
52°31'48.09" N 1°43'45.23" W
A pathetic piece of motorway design on the M42. The right of the
fork goes to the M6 toll - the left "middle" continues the M42 East
and the extreme LHS goes god know's where.

As is clearly marked in several places - including Google Earth - the
two left hand lanes go to the M42 which, with the left "middle" makes
four lanes for the M42


I have lost count of the number of
cars swerving right to left due to this fork in the middle of a
motorway! It is very dangerious. A lage sigbn could be placed at the
actual point of the split but that would make it safer. It looks as
if it has been designed this way to ensure that as many motorists as
possible mistakenly take the right fork and end up having to pay the
toll. Try this at night - better still, at night in the fog.

I would suggest that you surrender your licence to the DVLA until your
eyesight improves.

You might then be able to see the bloody great blue signs guiding you
onto the left hand lanes well in advance of the junction, thus
ensuring that you are well clear of the other idiots on the road

Apart from lane markings at various points beforehand, there are
several other clear signs well in advance of the junction - such as
these:

http://g.co/maps/k3vj5

and

http://g.co/maps/mvfch

I have never driven on this stretch of road but there seems to be
plenty of evidence from the website that you directed us to to
suggest that you haven't a clue ...

I would say it was pretty clear.And I have used that road several times.

--
Adam

Terry Casey wrote:
In article ,
says...

Google Earth this
52°31'48.09" N 1°43'45.23" W
A pathetic piece of motorway design on the M42. The right of the
fork goes to the M6 toll - the left "middle" continues the M42 East
and the extreme LHS goes god know's where.

As is clearly marked in several places - including Google Earth - the
two left hand lanes go to the M42 which, with the left "middle" makes
four lanes for the M42


I have lost count of the number of
cars swerving right to left due to this fork in the middle of a
motorway! It is very dangerious. A lage sigbn could be placed at the
actual point of the split but that would make it safer. It looks as
if it has been designed this way to ensure that as many motorists as
possible mistakenly take the right fork and end up having to pay the
toll. Try this at night - better still, at night in the fog.

I would suggest that you surrender your licence to the DVLA until your
eyesight improves.

You might then be able to see the bloody great blue signs guiding you
onto the left hand lanes well in advance of the junction, thus
ensuring that you are well clear of the other idiots on the road

Apart from lane markings at various points beforehand, there are
several other clear signs well in advance of the junction - such as
these:

http://g.co/maps/k3vj5

and

http://g.co/maps/mvfch

I have never driven on this stretch of road but there seems to be
plenty of evidence from the website that you directed us to to
suggest that you haven't a clue ...

These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

--
Adam

In message , ARWadsworth
writes



These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2 to a
third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to continue in
Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes



These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2 to a
third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to continue
in Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.

Everyone queues up in the left hand lane to take the airport route.

I drive past in the right hand lane.

--
Adam

In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes



These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2 to a
third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to continue
in Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.

Everyone queues up in the left hand lane to take the airport route.

Presumably this is because most of those in Lane 1 choose to ignore the
second sign, even though it clearly indicates that Lane 2 is now also OK
for the airport. The result is an unnecessary tailback in Lane 1.

I drive past in the right hand lane.

Good man! A little local knowledge can indeed be useful.

However, I fail to see what is really 'wrong' with these signs. The
problem lies with drivers not making the best use of the road. Or would
you prefer that the first sign should also indicate Lane 2 for the
airport? Would this help?
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes



These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2
to a third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to
continue in Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.

Everyone queues up in the left hand lane to take the airport route.

Presumably this is because most of those in Lane 1 choose to ignore
the second sign, even though it clearly indicates that Lane 2 is now
also OK for the airport. The result is an unnecessary tailback in
Lane 1.

But they have followed the first sign that tells them to use the left hand
lane!

They see the first sign before the second one and so keep to the left.
Jumping lanes is not that easy by the time you see you see the second sign.
The roundabout see to that.


I drive past in the right hand lane.

Good man! A little local knowledge can indeed be useful.

However, I fail to see what is really 'wrong' with these signs. The
problem lies with drivers not making the best use of the road. Or
would you prefer that the first sign should also indicate Lane 2 for
the airport? Would this help?

The first sign is IMHO incorrect.

Correcting the sign would hold me up as more drivers would use lane 2 at the
first sign to go S&W on the M60.

I would prefer a lane marked "Adam":-)

--
Adam

In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article ,
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes

These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2
to a third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to
continue in Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.

Everyone queues up in the left hand lane to take the airport route.

Presumably this is because most of those in Lane 1 choose to ignore
the second sign, even though it clearly indicates that Lane 2 is now
also OK for the airport. The result is an unnecessary tailback in
Lane 1.
But they have followed the first sign that tells them to use the
left hand lane!
They see the first sign before the second one and so keep to the
left. Jumping lanes is not that easy by the time you see you see the
second sign. The roundabout see to that.

I drive past in the right hand lane.

Good man! A little local knowledge can indeed be useful.

However, I fail to see what is really 'wrong' with these signs. The
problem lies with drivers not making the best use of the road. Or
would you prefer that the first sign should also indicate Lane 2 for
the airport? Would this help?
The first sign is IMHO incorrect.

Oy, none of your O's are H :-)

Correcting the sign would hold me up as more drivers would use lane 2
at the first sign to go S&W on the M60.

If you put (on the first sign) airport also for lane 2, that will
confuse when they get to the second sign.

I can't see why. What is there to be confused about? First sign -
airport Lanes 1 and 2. Second sign - airport Lanes 1 and 2.
--
Ian

In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

In message ,
Tim Streater writes
In article ,
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , ARWadsworth
writes

These road signs amuse me.

http://g.co/maps/cn7a7

and a few hundred yards later

http://g.co/maps/pynbh

shows you can use the right hand lane to go to the airport.

I can't see any reason for 'amusement'.

The first sign gets the traffic for the Ring Road (N) into Lane 2.

The second then moves the traffic for Ring Road (N) from Lane 2
to a third lane (to split off to the right), leaving the rest to
continue in Lanes 1 and 2.

Presumably, for the A57, you can take either Lane 2 or 3.

Everyone queues up in the left hand lane to take the airport route.

Presumably this is because most of those in Lane 1 choose to ignore
the second sign, even though it clearly indicates that Lane 2 is now
also OK for the airport. The result is an unnecessary tailback in
Lane 1.
But they have followed the first sign that tells them to use the
left hand lane!
They see the first sign before the second one and so keep to the
left. Jumping lanes is not that easy by the time you see you see
the second sign. The roundabout see to that.

I drive past in the right hand lane.

Good man! A little local knowledge can indeed be useful.

However, I fail to see what is really 'wrong' with these signs. The
problem lies with drivers not making the best use of the road. Or
would you prefer that the first sign should also indicate Lane 2 for
the airport? Would this help?
The first sign is IMHO incorrect.

Oy, none of your O's are H :-)

Correcting the sign would hold me up as more drivers would use
lane 2 at the first sign to go S&W on the M60.

If you put (on the first sign) airport also for lane 2, that will
confuse when they get to the second sign.

I can't see why. What is there to be confused about? First sign -
airport Lanes 1 and 2. Second sign - airport Lanes 1 and 2.

Because it would imply you could get to the airport by following
A57/M60(N).

No. It would indicate (correctly) that you can get to the airport by
using either Lane 1 or 2 (but, of course, not Lane 3).

However, I do query the second sign (as it is). Is the A57 BOTH Lanes 2
and 3 - or is it only Lane 3? To be sure, I would choose Lane 3, but the
positioning of the wording at the top suggests either.
--
Ian

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:42:06 +0000, hugh ] wrote:

When the M6 toll first opened a Land Rover with spare wheel on the
bonnet was detected as a commercial vehicle whereas tan identical
vehicle with the spare wheel on the rear door or (inside) was classed as
a car. Don't know whether it's still the case

The tan colour made them think it was on safari.

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:33:11 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson
wrote:

Crossing the Severn Bridge, towing a car on an A-frame, I was just
charged for a Transit + trailer. Same for Irish Ferries - result.

Well, that seems logical, whether the charge is based on 'footprint' or
on wear and tear caused by wheels - in any sane world I'm not sure how a
car on a trailer with no point of it contacting the ground or overhanging
the edges should mean an extra charge.

I was kinda relieved at the SB not charging me more - I pulled up at
the offices to check this, so I wouldn't block a toll lane in the
event of a dispute.
The Irish Ferries one came as a surprise, though; just an extra tenner
or something like that and it occurred to me that was a cheap way of
getting cars across.

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:33:11 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson
wrote:

Crossing the Severn Bridge, towing a car on an A-frame, I was just
charged for a Transit + trailer. Same for Irish Ferries - result.
Well, that seems logical, whether the charge is based on 'footprint' or
on wear and tear caused by wheels - in any sane world I'm not sure how a
car on a trailer with no point of it contacting the ground or overhanging
the edges should mean an extra charge.

I was kinda relieved at the SB not charging me more - I pulled up at
the offices to check this, so I wouldn't block a toll lane in the
event of a dispute.

No, you should always attempt to 'inadvertently' cause max disruption on
occasions like this.

Bill

Tinkerer wrote:

[...] where the slip road dumps you
into the fast lane.

What is this "fast lane" of which you write? There is the leftmost lane
in which you should drive, the one to its right which you may use for
overtaking, and possibly one to the right of that for overtaking
overtakers. There is no "fast lane".

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other
purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

--
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:40:18 +0000, Frederick Williams
wrote:

Tinkerer wrote:

[...] where the slip road dumps you
into the fast lane.

What is this "fast lane" of which you write? There is the leftmost lane
in which you should drive, the one to its right which you may use for
overtaking, and possibly one to the right of that for overtaking
overtakers. There is no "fast lane".

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other
purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

Who gives a ****?

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:40:18 +0000, Frederick Williams
wrote:

Tinkerer wrote:

[...] where the slip road dumps you
into the fast lane.

What is this "fast lane" of which you write? There is the leftmost lane
in which you should drive, the one to its right which you may use for
overtaking, and possibly one to the right of that for overtaking
overtakers. There is no "fast lane".

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other
purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

Who gives a ****?

That's the problem with motorways, too many drivers don't give a **** and
hog the overtaking lanes rather than return to lane 1 where they should be.

Mike

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:59:12 -0000, "MuddyMike"
wrote:

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other
purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

Who gives a ****?

That's the problem with motorways, too many drivers don't give a **** and
hog the overtaking lanes rather than return to lane 1 where they should be.

Well, those ****ers should be dragged out of their cars and
horsewhipped.

MuddyMike wrote:

too many drivers don't give a ****

Fixed that for you...
--
Tim Watts

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:59:12 -0000, "MuddyMike"
wrote:

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for
other purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

Who gives a ****?

That's the problem with motorways, too many drivers don't give a
**** and hog the overtaking lanes rather than return to lane 1
where they should be.

Well, those ****ers should be dragged out of their cars and
horsewhipped.

Just undertake them so that they can claim the moral high ground.

--
Adam

In message ,
writes
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:59:12 -0000, "MuddyMike"
wrote:

(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other
purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)

Who gives a ****?

That's the problem with motorways, too many drivers don't give a **** and
hog the overtaking lanes rather than return to lane 1 where they should be.

Well, those ****ers should be dragged out of their cars and
horsewhipped.


Not only motorways, I'm noticing an increasing number of people
occupying the outside lane of urban dual carriageways in order to, I
presume, stop people overtaking them


--
geoff

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:12:46 -0800 (PST), Onetap wrote:

There are just too many ******* on the UK's roads.

Maybe we need more "shared spaces". No barriers, no kerbs, no signs,
no road markings as we currently know them(*) just a flat open space.
Apparently where they have been introduced accident rates plummet
compared to the barriered, kerbed,
signed and marked areas they replaced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00n96c4

(*) Just different coloured/textured areas that indicate but do not
enforce "paths".

--
Cheers
Dave.

Tim Streater wrote:

In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:12:46 -0800 (PST), Onetap wrote:

There are just too many ******* on the UK's roads.

Maybe we need more "shared spaces". No barriers, no kerbs, no
signs, no road markings as we currently know them(*) just a flat
open space. Apparently where they have been introduced accident
rates plummet compared to the barriered, kerbed, signed and
marked areas they replaced.

And journey times probably tend towards infinity. You can always
reduce accident rates by having a speed limit of 4mph.

A recent report(i believe it was Coventry) showed the system to be
dangerous as no one has right of way which has lead to several minor
and one fatal accident

On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:47:55 +0000 (UTC), steve robinson wrote:

A recent report(i believe it was Coventry) showed the system to be
dangerous as no one has right of way which has lead to several minor
and one fatal accident

The key point is what was the accident and severity rate like before?
It's the fact that people feel less secure and less "in the right"
that makes 'em concentrate more and pay more attention to what others
are doing, thus pushing down the accident rate and severity. At least
that's the theory...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Feb 26, 12:35*pm, wrote:

What is this "fast lane" of which you write?

It's usually the left-handside lane, the centre and outside lane being
full of cretins who forget how to drive shortly after taking their
test.

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit onto
Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit
off a roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the
right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would
therefore approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the
middle lane until I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and
then indicate left and move into the left lane to peel off into
Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.

On 22/03/12 16:05, funkyoldcortina wrote:
On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.


In other words, those travelling from A to B

http://g.co/maps/t9rjp

on the link above.... which lane shouuld they approach the roundabout in?

In article , Roger Mills
scribeth thus
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit
off a roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the
right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would
therefore approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the
middle lane until I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and
then indicate left and move into the left lane to peel off into
Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?


Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Wonder what they were smokin when they dreamt this one up;?...


http://g.co/maps/u77jm
--
Tony Sayer

funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.



Id say middle or right, lacking road markings to the contrary


But situations like that are not ones with exact answers.







--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:


Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Wonder what they were smokin when they dreamt this one up;?...


http://g.co/maps/u77jm

Nah, try Swindon....

http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289

--
Adrian C

On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy

Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

Andy
It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park Square,
which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:

Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:
Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Common as muck. (Ok, there are several)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundab...22_roundabouts

It mentions Sheffield but misses the point completely about Park Square,
which is that the lanes spiral outwards.

Where roundabouts have such lane markings, that is what would be
expected. If the lanes don't spiral towards the exits, everyone
would end up on the grass in the middle.

Is your point that the lanes are continuous, instead of being in
shorter sections of concentric markings, with traffic making
transitions outwards between sections?

Here is a nice big roundabout, which also spirals, though it has
since been relieved of the A46 flow.

http://g.co/maps/srcn4

Chris
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"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Simples.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

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writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who has
arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit 3:-(

Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

regards
--
Tim Lamb

In message , funkyoldcortina
writes
On 22/03/12 16:05, funkyoldcortina wrote:
On 22/03/12 15:43, Roger Mills wrote:
On 22/03/2012 15:00, funkyoldcortina wrote:

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane,
then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to
exit on Fairground way.


I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a
roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.

The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like
there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore
approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle
lane until
I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and
move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

OK, to be clearer.

By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you
include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed
from the approach.

There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.

To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those
taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should
approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed
from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right
around, should approach in the right lane.


In other words, those travelling from A to B

http://g.co/maps/t9rjp

on the link above.... which lane shouuld they approach the roundabout in?

The answer is Lane 2 or 3. Both would be satisfactory, provided you made
your intentions clear by indicating correctly.

I would hold my position (in an imaginary lane) on the roundabout, and
start (and keep) indicating right until I was passing Exit 1. I would
then stop indicating.

Then, when was opposite the exit lane for Exit 2, I would start
indicating left, and (if OK to do so) progressively begin moving to the
left - but keeping a good watch to my left in case anyone about to enter
(my) Exit 2 appeared to be entering the roundabout and coming up on my
left side, thus preventing me from taking Exit 3.

If all was going OK, I would then continue moving left and exit safely
at Exit 3.
--
Ian

In message , Adrian C
writes
On 22/03/2012 16:12, tony sayer wrote:


Nah!, that ones simple, the really odd one is the Magic Roundabout in
Hemel Hempstead..

Wonder what they were smokin when they dreamt this one up;?...


http://g.co/maps/u77jm

Nah, try Swindon....

http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289

These magic roundabouts hold no terrors for me. They work great -
provided those using them know what they are doing.
--
Ian

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , Brian Watson
writes

"funkyoldcortina" wrote in message
...

This one does my head in...


http://g.co/maps/gfj42

Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the
picture).

Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit
onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).

Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a
right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then
get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on
Fairground way.

Approach the roundabout in lane 2, indicate left as you arrive at 2nd exit
(Ferris Row) and take position to exit (lane 1) into Fairground Way.

Unless there happens to be a lady driver in a huge Mercedes who has
arrived at the inside lane and plans to drive round to exit 3:-(

Happened to me at Costco, Watford.

This sort of thing happens all the time at roundabouts. The moral is
"Always expect the unexpected", and act accordingly.
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:

This sort of thing happens all the time at roundabouts. The moral is
"Always expect the unexpected", and act accordingly.

Be Prepared! Dib! Dib!

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To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.