Christina Websell wrote:
"Dave East" wrote in message
...
Our next door neighbours are very heavy smokers and we get a bit fed up
with the smell of it.

Wondering if we bought one of those fairly big house fans and placed it on
the garden table whether it would make any difference or would be it be a
waste of time?

Try it. I wish my new neighbours would just smoke rather than only occupy
their house when they are going to have a huge party. A car blocked me in,
and I asked them to move (this was at 9a.m. and he said he would only be
there for a few minutes, so I agreed ok) It was there until 7 pm. and
there were people spilling into the street talking at the top of their
voices all day.
This is a quiet area, this is the 2nd noisy party in a few weeks. They will
not fit in if they continue.
They do not even seem to be living there, just using it for parties.
It drives me wild.
Tina


Ah. You need the TNP secret weapon.

a 100W detuned ex police transmitter coupled to a noise generator.
Obliterates every hifi system within 30 meters.

The ultimate party pooper and, if they have it loud enough, destroys the
woofers as well. No home should be without one.

And they will never know who dunit

dennis@home wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Peter James wrote:
Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in
the world will do.

How about Roy Castle a man who died from lung cancer and who never
smoked. Said he picked up the disease from the night clubs he worked in
and where smoking was rampant.
For further information see the following URL's.

One swallow - even with a famous name - does not a summer make. And even
if it did, there's a very big difference between working all your life in
smoky rooms and having neighbours who smoke outdoors.

that's true.. you can choose not to go into smoke filled rooms.
in the other case they are taking away your freedom.

As you would take away theirs.

On 29/08/2011 01:06, Hugh - Was Invisible wrote:
On 29/08/2011 01:00, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 28/08/2011 23:45, dennis@home wrote:


"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:24:40 +0100 Steve Walker wrote :
As a smoker you won't have the experience, but I frequently recoil
from
the smell of tobacco smoke and look round to find someone smoking
20 or
30 feet away!

It's extraordinary now to think that there was a time (before I took up
travelling) when people smoked on planes. A good while back I had a
number of British Rail archive films of the 1950s and smoking at your
desk seemed to be the norm.

That was when most people didn't think smoking harmed them.
Now the sensible ones have realised the truth and stopped.

The ones that continue also don't believe smoking harms others.

That would be because there is no credible evidence to support that view.

Not really surprising as there are a lot of fools about.

You being their undisputed king ****wit.



TMH. Get your head out of the sand. You are making yourself look a
complete idiot.

Nice snipping HWI.

Do you have any comment to make, or do you want to make yourself look a
complete idiot?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 28/08/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Steve wrote:
The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me. I have worked with and
been friends with a number and two things stick out. Firstly, in the
days when you could smoke in pubs, the whole group had to sit and suffer
in the smoking area, even if there was only one smoker with us,
otherwise they'd whinge and moan so much that they'd ruin the evening.

I find it very amusing. Non smokers always said how much they hated pubs
because of the smoke. Now they're all non smoking, they're closing in
droves...

Govmint ministers also claimed that, but have very quiet since. I
wonder why?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2011 01:28, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 29/08/2011 01:06, Hugh - Was Invisible wrote:
On 29/08/2011 01:00, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 28/08/2011 23:45, dennis@home wrote:


"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:24:40 +0100 Steve Walker wrote :
As a smoker you won't have the experience, but I frequently recoil
from
the smell of tobacco smoke and look round to find someone smoking
20 or
30 feet away!

It's extraordinary now to think that there was a time (before I
took up
travelling) when people smoked on planes. A good while back I had a
number of British Rail archive films of the 1950s and smoking at your
desk seemed to be the norm.

That was when most people didn't think smoking harmed them.
Now the sensible ones have realised the truth and stopped.

The ones that continue also don't believe smoking harms others.

That would be because there is no credible evidence to support that
view.

Not really surprising as there are a lot of fools about.

You being their undisputed king ****wit.



TMH. Get your head out of the sand. You are making yourself look a
complete idiot.

Nice snipping HWI.

Do you have any comment to make, or do you want to make yourself look a
complete idiot?

What snipping?

The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 28/08/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Steve wrote:
The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me. I have worked with and
been friends with a number and two things stick out. Firstly, in the
days when you could smoke in pubs, the whole group had to sit and suffer
in the smoking area, even if there was only one smoker with us,
otherwise they'd whinge and moan so much that they'd ruin the evening.

I find it very amusing. Non smokers always said how much they hated pubs
because of the smoke. Now they're all non smoking, they're closing in
droves...

Govmint ministers also claimed that, but have very quiet since. I
wonder why?

I smoke. I used to drive. There is no pub within walking distance and I
am too old to cycle and frankly it ain't a worthwile experience to do
the pain bit.

So basically these days I don't go in a pub from one week to the next.

Last time I went was simply to get a decent meal . We sat outside in the
garden and smoked haha.

basically the pub has lost its purpose. We can drink at home cheaper. we
can smoke at home, we can watch the football/rugby/cricket at home. Its
warmer at home. Its not full of ******s at home who sniff disapprovingly
every time you roll a fag. We can take the dogs at home. We can eat for
1/10th the price and better food at home.

I cant afford the diesel and the risk to my license to drive to the pub,
and for what? to see a bunch of tired boring ****heads drinking and
being 'social' while they work out who they can shag tonight?

Or try and impress each other?

On 29/08/2011 00:46, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 28/08/2011 23:24, Steve Walker wrote:
On 27/08/2011 17:20, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 27/08/2011 16:18, Interloper wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" mocked:

Why don't you try getting a life?

Most likely Dave has already got a life and he is trying to hang on
to it
and his health by avoiding passive smoking.

Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in the
world will do.

Roy Castle?

Alas not. Lung cancer yes. 10% of lung cancer deaths occur in non smokers.

Most of the people I know who don't want anyone smoking near them are
not overly concerned about passive smoking, they just can't stand the
odour, the sore eyes, the sore throat and the smelly clothes they end up
with from being around smokers.

An entirely reasonable view.

I have no wish to inflict the by products of smoking on others.

Equally, I can't see why non smokers should inflict their views on smokers.

Because smokers are the ones carrying out an action and inflicting their
smoke on non-smokers, whereas non-smokers simply want them to stop doing
so. We don't care whether you smoke or not, we simply want you not to
inflict that smoke on us. If I kept squirting water around in a pub,
everyone near me would rightly want me to stop, they would however have
no objection to me watering my garden plants, as that wouldn't affect them.

As a smoker you won't have the experience, but I frequently recoil from
the smell of tobacco smoke and look round to find someone smoking 20 or
30 feet away! It's a foul odour that travels considerable distances.

As are many things, but we don't ban cheap perfume, body odour, farting,
fried onions, McDonalds, diesel fuel, rape seed etc.

I certainly wouldn't smell most of those from 30 feet away and those
that I might, are serving useful purposes, except possibly the fried
onions Funnily enough I did some work for a curry factory once - we
installed an odour reduction system, as the smell of onions coming from
their vents was irritating the nearby residents and the council were
threatening to close them down.

My wife is an ex-smoker (she promised her father a month before he was
diagnosed with terminal liver cancer and other than one lapse, she has
stuck to it), she frequently comments that she's amazed how she could
ever have smoked, as she too can't stand the smell.

I personally love the smell of secondhand smoke YMMY.

Your choice, but the difference is that if someone is not smoking, you
wouldn't find the clean air annoying, whereas I would find smoke in the
air annoying.

During the summer when it is hot we naturally like our patio door and
windows open to get a breeze. At night we sleep with our bedroom window
open. Our neighbours have a young child so they go outside to smoke and
we end up suffering their smoke. We either have to put up with it or
close the windows and struggle to sleep 'cos of the heat.

Interesting point that. Smoking has been deliberately demonised over the
years to the point of stupdity. Were it not for that, your neighbours
would smoke indoors with no adverse affects to their child, in fact,
according to many (supressed) studies, it would promote a resistance to
smoking related illness..

Come on! My grandparents were heavy smokers, within weeks of
redecorating their living room, their walls were thick with the
polutants from cigarettes, with clear patches behind the pictures. With
or without evidence, that kind of coating is going to be bad for the
delicate tubes of a childs immature lungs!

The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me. I have worked with and
been friends with a number and two things stick out. Firstly, in the
days when you could smoke in pubs, the whole group had to sit and suffer
in the smoking area, even if there was only one smoker with us,
otherwise they'd whinge and moan so much that they'd ruin the evening.

The selfessness of non smokers amazes me. I'd suppot 'smoking' and 'non
smoking' areas. Majority rule?

As I've said, it doesn't work, the smokers are too selfish to follow the
wishes of the majority, they just ruin the evening for everyone unless
they get their way. Amongst my various groups of friends (ex school, ex
university, ex work) no group had more than two smokers out of eight to
ten people out for the night, yet everyone ended up stuck in the
smokers' areas. If the non-smokers insisted on sitting in the
non-smoking area, the smokers would reluctantly sit with us and then
moan continually.

My youngest daughter doesn't smoke. When she goes out with her mates,
most of them disappear outside for a fag & leave her on her own. Now she
goes out with them.

In other words, her friends have reached the point where the addiction
is calling and that is more important that staying chatting with her, so
she has to fall in with their wishes or be abandoned.

Secondly, every time one of the smokers tried to give up, the others
would smoke in front of them and each time they lit up, they'd offer
them one - as if they couldn't stand letting one get away!

However, I do think that the coucils that are trying to ban smokers from
lighting up in the street, parks, etc. are going too far; similarly with
the existing ban on smoking in company vehicles; and also the hospitals
and companies that ban employees from smoking in their own cars in their
car-parks.

Thank you for a reasoned view. :-)

I have nothing against people smoking, I just don't want to have to put
up with their smoke.

SteveW

En el artículo , The Medway
Handyman escribió:

Farting serves a useful purpose?

Considering that it stops you exploding, yes :-)

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

On 27/08/2011 17:37, 'Mike' wrote:
"The Medway wrote in message
...
On 27/08/2011 16:18, Interloper wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" mocked:

Why don't you try getting a life?

Most likely Dave has already got a life and he is trying to hang on to it
and his health by avoiding passive smoking.

Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in the
world will do.

Margaret Horsborough
25 Colchester Road
Leicester

My next door neighbour when I lived in Leicester in the 60's and 70's

A non smoker, died of Lung Cancer due to secondary/passive smoking whilst in
an office environment.

I would also like to add that the treatment that I received in hospital
recently when I firs,t had a quadruple heart by pass, followed by a LUNG
decortication, was enhanced because I didn't smoke and NEVER HAD SMOKED


Come off your 'I know my rights' high horse. YOU pollute the air I breath. I
don't pollute the air you breath.

We have the same argument with you very selfish polluters on the cruise
ships. I cruise a lot and have to endure you polluting MY balcony.

If you were meant to smoke, you would have been born with a chimney out of
you head.


And Roy Castle, a famous case if I am not mistaken.

TGH

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:04:41 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

I certainly wouldn't smell most of those from 30 feet away and those
that I might, are serving useful purposes, except possibly the fried
onions Funnily enough I did some work for a curry factory once - we
installed an odour reduction system, as the smell of onions coming from
their vents was irritating the nearby residents and the council were
threatening to close them down.

snip
SteveW

Please go and install odour reduction systems on every DeadLucky Fried
Buzzard outlet.

How can they make so much stink? And it hangs around so much.

I don't actually buy any takeaway foods but on the odd occasion that I
have had some chicken, it has been OK. I guess it is something to do with
the pressure cooker/frying technique that makes enough stink to fill
several football pitches (or microWales).

--
Rod

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:04:41 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

I certainly wouldn't smell most of those from 30 feet away and those
that I might, are serving useful purposes, except possibly the fried
onions Funnily enough I did some work for a curry factory once - we
installed an odour reduction system, as the smell of onions coming from
their vents was irritating the nearby residents and the council were
threatening to close them down.

snip
SteveW

Please go and install odour reduction systems on every DeadLucky Fried
Buzzard outlet.

How can they make so much stink? And it hangs around so much.

I don't actually buy any takeaway foods but on the odd occasion that I
have had some chicken, it has been OK. I guess it is something to do with
the pressure cooker/frying technique that makes enough stink to fill
several football pitches (or microWales).

--
Rod

If the wind is in the wrong direction for us we get the smell from 2
Chinese, 1 Indian and 1 Fish and Chip Take Away and now a Chinese
Restaurant/Buffet.

In the other direction in the Summer, Sun Tan Oil from the beach!

and from a neighbour? Cigarette smoke :-((

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................

On 29/08/2011 10:58 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 28/08/2011 23:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Steve wrote:
The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me. I have worked with and
been friends with a number and two things stick out. Firstly, in the
days when you could smoke in pubs, the whole group had to sit and
suffer
in the smoking area, even if there was only one smoker with us,
otherwise they'd whinge and moan so much that they'd ruin the evening.

I find it very amusing. Non smokers always said how much they hated pubs
because of the smoke. Now they're all non smoking, they're closing in
droves...

Govmint ministers also claimed that, but have very quiet since. I
wonder why?

I smoke. I used to drive. There is no pub within walking distance and I
am too old to cycle and frankly it ain't a worthwile experience to do
the pain bit.

So basically these days I don't go in a pub from one week to the next.

Last time I went was simply to get a decent meal . We sat outside in the
garden and smoked haha.

basically the pub has lost its purpose. We can drink at home cheaper. we
can smoke at home, we can watch the football/rugby/cricket at home. Its
warmer at home. Its not full of ******s at home who sniff disapprovingly
every time you roll a fag. We can take the dogs at home. We can eat for
1/10th the price and better food at home.

I cant afford the diesel and the risk to my license to drive to the pub,
and for what? to see a bunch of tired boring ****heads drinking and
being 'social' while they work out who they can shag tonight?

Or try and impress each other?



Sure, but how much good looking "strange" can you pick up at home?

On 27/08/2011 6:42 PM, Dave East wrote:
Our next door neighbours are very heavy smokers and we get a bit fed up with
the smell of it.

Wondering if we bought one of those fairly big house fans and placed it on
the garden table whether it would make any difference or would be it be a
waste of time?



The problem, like many problems, is really quite simple to solve if you
use a little thought and technology. Use a gas detector that will react
to nicotine. Like they use in aircraft toilets. Hook it up to a very
loud burglar alarm type siren/bell on the offending neighbour's side of
the house. When their smoke invades your living space the alarm will
sound. And keep on sounding while detecting cigarette smoke. They will
soon find another place to smoke.

We have them in our work areas to stop staff illicitly smoking when not
being observed by management.

Astounded from Medway wrote:

Your stupidity is simply astounding.

Firstly you say "Rather like 'TMH', if the best you can come up with is a
personal insult, then you have lost the argument".

Followed by "When you have an IQ lower than your shoe size, it's usually
best to keep quiet".

That was a generalisation, but of course, if the cap fits... !
--
Interloper

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
I find it very amusing. Non smokers always said how much they hated
pubs because of the smoke. Now they're all non smoking, they're
closing in droves...

That's because the pubs never catered for the non smokers and they all
went elsewhere.

Like home, given no-where is allowed to cater for smokers indoors?

They lost the best part of a generation of customers
who don't see any reason to go to the pub now. There are plenty of
other places that did cater for non smokers that have a growing
customer base.

Like? In the days when smoking was allowed in public places, I can't think
of any that banned it. Given were I live they must have been pretty rare.

In this world its adapt or go bust.

Or be busted...

The hysterical anti smoking lobby got its way. It would have been
perfectly possible to either let pubs choose to be smoking or non smoking
- or to provide a properly ventilated smoking area indoors.
And the double standards are amazing. Of course smoking is a recreational
drug that no-one needs, and has anti-social consequences. But then so has
alcohol, and its use seems to be positively encouraged. And the side
effects of that cost society far more than fags do.

--
*If you can read this, thank a teecher

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
'Mike' wrote:
If the wind is in the wrong direction for us we get the smell from 2
Chinese, 1 Indian and 1 Fish and Chip Take Away and now a Chinese
Restaurant/Buffet.

In the other direction in the Summer, Sun Tan Oil from the beach!

and from a neighbour? Cigarette smoke :-((

Look on the bright side. No pig farm close by.

--
*Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 29/08/2011 9:36 a.m., John Williamson wrote:
Fuschia wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:41:10 +0100, Ron Lowe wrote:
So you think it's perfectly reasonable to inflict your smoking stench
on others?

A straight 'yes' will suffice.

Of course he does.
He doesn't care that it causes other people to cough,make their eyes
sore and their clothes smell.
He doesn't care that it may start an asthmatic attack.
He's happy to ignore these things.
He's a smoker.

AKA a drug addict.

Nicotine has been shown to be more addictive than heroin in a
controlled, peer-reviewed, experiment involving American college students.

That's why they deserve our sympathy. OK, so someone made a bad choice
in starting to smoke (probably as a teenager). We all make bad choices
when young, it's just that this decision is very hard to reverse.

On 29/08/2011 10:47 a.m., The Medway Handyman wrote:

Perhaps you could cite an incident of a smoker mugging someone to get a
'fix'?

I'd wager that people have been killed for a packet of cigarettes - in
prison.

Huge wrote:
On 2011-08-28, Steve Walker wrote:

The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me.

They're junkies. Junkies will lie, cheat, steal, do *anything* to get their
fix. Junkies deny realities obvious to non-junkies. The life of the junky
revolves around their addiction. Nothing else matters.

How true, these clean air addicts, will thump the ground with their
heels and go purple in the face if you try to take it away from them..

On 29/08/2011 09:51, Huge wrote:
On 2011-08-28, The Medway wrote:

Equally, I can't see why non smokers should inflict their views on smokers.

Revenge. We've had to breathe that **** for decades, and now it's our turn.

Eventually we get to the real reason.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2011 09:52, Huge wrote:
On 2011-08-29, Steve wrote:

Because smokers are the ones carrying out an action and inflicting their
smoke on non-smokers, whereas non-smokers simply want them to stop doing
so. We don't care whether you smoke or not, we simply want you not to
inflict that smoke on us. If I kept squirting water around in a pub,

A better metaphor would be if you went round the pub urinating on people.

Still not a good metaphor. Passive smoking is dangerous as well as
unpleasant. How about the smokers playing Russian roulette?

On 29/08/2011 10:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
If the wind is in the wrong direction for us we get the smell from 2
Chinese, 1 Indian and 1 Fish and Chip Take Away and now a Chinese
Restaurant/Buffet.

In the other direction in the Summer, Sun Tan Oil from the beach!

and from a neighbour? Cigarette smoke :-((

Look on the bright side. No pig farm close by.


Pig farms are not that bad unless you have to go into a just opened pig
house. Turkey offal is the weapon of choice as spread on fields near
travellers.

On 28/08/2011 3:10 a.m., wrote:

Well, if we ignore the obvious trolling and prejudice, cigarette
smoke makes a lot of people with breathing problems cough very
badly.

I think this is the main issue. Except in very smoky confined spaces,
I'm guessing that the cancer risk from other people's smoke is pretty
minimal, but those particulates can be very troubling for some. Any
smoke is air pollution, regardless of what's being burnt.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
I find it very amusing. Non smokers always said how much they hated
pubs because of the smoke. Now they're all non smoking, they're
closing in droves...

So the predatory behaviour of brewers, discount alcohol from supermarkets
and the drink-drive laws have nothing to do with it?

You think these only started after the smoking ban? Have you tried asking
those publicans who's pubs have had to close?

--
*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 28/08/2011 5:23 a.m., ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave wrote:
Our next door neighbours are very heavy smokers and we get a bit fed
up with the smell of it.

Wondering if we bought one of those fairly big house fans and placed
it on the garden table whether it would make any difference or would
be it be a waste of time?

I would wait until the wind blows their way and then set fire to a couple of
car tyres.


First, ask nicely, then if that fails, fight fire with fire.

On 29/08/2011 3:53 a.m., Christina Websell wrote:

Try it. I wish my new neighbours would just smoke rather than only occupy
their house when they are going to have a huge party. A car blocked me in,
and I asked them to move (this was at 9a.m. and he said he would only be
there for a few minutes, so I agreed ok) It was there until 7 pm. and
there were people spilling into the street talking at the top of their
voices all day.
This is a quiet area, this is the 2nd noisy party in a few weeks. They will
not fit in if they continue.
They do not even seem to be living there, just using it for parties.
It drives me wild.
Tina

Noise pollution drives me up the wall, too.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:38:48 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:


He doesn't care that it causes other people to cough,make their eyes
sore and their clothes smell.

Nope, wrong again.
You DO care? But you still inflict it on them. How nice of you.

He doesn't care that it may start an asthmatic attack.

Like many other things can.
Well done, a true statement at last.
Many things cause asthmatic attacks. But that doesn't give you the
right to cause one to an innocent victim.


He's happy to ignore these things.

No I'm not.
Wrong. You have just told us that you will continue inflicting your
smoke on others.


He's a smoker.

You are a fascist.
Ah. The final resort of the lost argument.

In article ,
Gib Bogle wrote:
On 29/08/2011 10:47 a.m., The Medway Handyman wrote:

Perhaps you could cite an incident of a smoker mugging someone to get a
'fix'?

I'd wager that people have been killed for a packet of cigarettes - in
prison.

I've worked in prisons on a number of occasions and never once saw a
packet of cigarettes.

--
*Hang in there, retirement is only thirty years away! *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Gib Bogle" wrote in message
...
On 28/08/2011 3:10 a.m., wrote:

Well, if we ignore the obvious trolling and prejudice, cigarette
smoke makes a lot of people with breathing problems cough very
badly.

I think this is the main issue. Except in very smoky confined spaces, I'm
guessing that the cancer risk from other people's smoke is pretty minimal,
but those particulates can be very troubling for some. Any smoke is air
pollution, regardless of what's being burnt.

The smoker's attitude.'It's legal and therefore I can do it. If it pollutes
your airspace, .... tough'

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................

In article ,
Gib Bogle wrote:

Well, if we ignore the obvious trolling and prejudice, cigarette
smoke makes a lot of people with breathing problems cough very
badly.

I think this is the main issue. Except in very smoky confined spaces,
I'm guessing that the cancer risk from other people's smoke is pretty
minimal, but those particulates can be very troubling for some. Any
smoke is air pollution, regardless of what's being burnt.

It's not just cancer, but that is what the statistics show. Actually,
one of the biggest dangers is to babies, and that is a problem with
the parents smoking at home and in cars rather than in 'public places'.
Unusually, the trolls have got one fact right - the absolute nature
of the ban was entirely due to fanaticism, largely driven by that
unspeakable prime minister of the time.

I found it truly mind-boggling that he pushed through a new crime,
driven entirely by some proven falsehoods in the Murdoch press;
that of making necrophilia a crime, because of the claimed widepread
practice by undertakers. Someone investigated the article and the
journalist admitted that he had invented it from whole cloth, because
he had been told to find a scandal. He also included bestiality, on
the grounds that there was no evidence that it actually occurred,
and therefore needed forbidding so that people were reminded of it.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...

that's true.. you can choose not to go into smoke filled rooms.
in the other case they are taking away your freedom.

What about the freedom of smokers to go into smoke filled rooms?

Idiot!
No one has stopped smokers going and killing themselves in smoke filled
rooms.
You can go and do it if you want.

What is banned is employers allowing workers to do so.
The same as they aren't allowed to go into paint shops, asbestos cleanup,
etc.
This is because the overwhelming evidence is that smoke filled rooms are
dangerous to staff and you are not allowed to send employees into danger.


Or is 'freedom' a one way street?

It would appear to be, smokers certainly don't allow others to enjoy smoke
free air if it means delaying their fix.

On 29 Aug 2011 08:45:35 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2011-08-28, Steve Walker wrote:

The selfishness of smokers has always amazed me.

They're junkies. Junkies will lie, cheat, steal, do *anything* to get their
fix. Junkies deny realities obvious to non-junkies. The life of the junky
revolves around their addiction. Nothing else matters.

It's only natural for addicts to claim that they enjoy the habit and
that they are being persecuted. It's so much easier than admitting
they are too weak minded to give it up.
Fortunately, smoking IS gradually dying out. Too slowly, but it is
happening.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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On 28/08/2011 19:35, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:37:43 +0100,
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"The Medway wrote in message
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On 27/08/2011 16:18, Interloper wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" mocked:

Why don't you try getting a life?

Most likely Dave has already got a life and he is trying to hang on
to
it
and his health by avoiding passive smoking.

Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in
the
world will do.

Margaret Horsborough
25 Colchester Road
Leicester

My next door neighbour when I lived in Leicester in the 60's and 70's

A non smoker, died of Lung Cancer due to secondary/passive smoking
whilst
in
an office environment.


Was this the result of an autopsy - or just your guess.
Did it say on the death certificate : Lung Cancer caused by passive
smoking?

- or are you just guessing or suggesting that Lung Cancer is *only*
caused
by
inhaling cigarette smoke?

Oh dear :-((

Oh dear, oh dear.

Another smoker trying to justify their addiction to the obnoxious weed.

Another non smoker unable to support his biased opinion.

Why can't they just admit that they are wrong, pack up their vile habit
and
stop polluting the air WE breath and the pavements with their dog ends?

Why can't you appreciate that anally retentive, small minded people like
you will believe anything that supports your cause?

Many of your habits might well be vile to me.



On Monday March 7th, 2011, my eldest brother died, quite nastily, from lung
cancer caused by smoking. Smoking can cause lung cancer and lung cancer can
kill. Fact.

--
Kathy

On 29/08/2011 9:51 p.m., Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Gib wrote:
On 29/08/2011 10:47 a.m., The Medway Handyman wrote:

Perhaps you could cite an incident of a smoker mugging someone to get a
'fix'?

I'd wager that people have been killed for a packet of cigarettes - in
prison.

I've worked in prisons on a number of occasions and never once saw a
packet of cigarettes.


You probably never saw marijuana, cocaine or heroin either. Do you
think they are not there?

In article ,
Fuschia wrote:
It's only natural for addicts to claim that they enjoy the habit and
that they are being persecuted. It's so much easier than admitting
they are too weak minded to give it up.

Sounds just like you with that glass of wine you so enjoy.

--
*(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 29/08/2011 10:23 p.m., Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
It's only natural for addicts to claim that they enjoy the habit and
that they are being persecuted. It's so much easier than admitting
they are too weak minded to give it up.

Sounds just like you with that glass of wine you so enjoy.


Do you think everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic?

On 29/08/2011 10:25, Gib Bogle wrote:
On 29/08/2011 9:36 a.m., John Williamson wrote:
Fuschia wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:41:10 +0100, Ron Lowe wrote:
So you think it's perfectly reasonable to inflict your smoking stench
on others?

A straight 'yes' will suffice.

Of course he does.
He doesn't care that it causes other people to cough,make their eyes
sore and their clothes smell.
He doesn't care that it may start an asthmatic attack.
He's happy to ignore these things.
He's a smoker.

AKA a drug addict.

Nicotine has been shown to be more addictive than heroin in a
controlled, peer-reviewed, experiment involving American college
students.

That's why they deserve our sympathy. OK, so someone made a bad choice
in starting to smoke (probably as a teenager). We all make bad choices
when young, it's just that this decision is very hard to reverse.

Always assuming one wanted to.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2011 10:28, Gib Bogle wrote:
On 29/08/2011 10:47 a.m., The Medway Handyman wrote:

Perhaps you could cite an incident of a smoker mugging someone to get a
'fix'?

I'd wager that people have been killed for a packet of cigarettes - in
prison.

But you have no evidence whatsoever. Rather like the passive smoking lobby.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2011 11:18, Kathy wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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On 28/08/2011 19:35, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:37:43 +0100,

wrote:





"The Medway wrote in message
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On 27/08/2011 16:18, Interloper wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" mocked:

Why don't you try getting a life?

Most likely Dave has already got a life and he is trying to hang
on to
it
and his health by avoiding passive smoking.

Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in
the
world will do.

Margaret Horsborough
25 Colchester Road
Leicester

My next door neighbour when I lived in Leicester in the 60's and 70's

A non smoker, died of Lung Cancer due to secondary/passive smoking
whilst
in
an office environment.


Was this the result of an autopsy - or just your guess.
Did it say on the death certificate : Lung Cancer caused by passive
smoking?

- or are you just guessing or suggesting that Lung Cancer is *only*
caused
by
inhaling cigarette smoke?

Oh dear :-((

Oh dear, oh dear.

Another smoker trying to justify their addiction to the obnoxious weed.

Another non smoker unable to support his biased opinion.

Why can't they just admit that they are wrong, pack up their vile
habit and
stop polluting the air WE breath and the pavements with their dog ends?

Why can't you appreciate that anally retentive, small minded people
like you will believe anything that supports your cause?

Many of your habits might well be vile to me.



On Monday March 7th, 2011, my eldest brother died, quite nastily, from
lung cancer caused by smoking. Smoking can cause lung cancer and lung
cancer can kill. Fact.

No one is disputing that. Which bit of 'passive' confused you?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 29/08/2011 08:00, TGH wrote:
On 27/08/2011 17:37, 'Mike' wrote:
"The Medway wrote in message
...
On 27/08/2011 16:18, Interloper wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" mocked:

Why don't you try getting a life?

Most likely Dave has already got a life and he is trying to hang on
to it
and his health by avoiding passive smoking.

Could you name someone who as died from passive smoking? Anywhere in the
world will do.

Margaret Horsborough
25 Colchester Road
Leicester

My next door neighbour when I lived in Leicester in the 60's and 70's

A non smoker, died of Lung Cancer due to secondary/passive smoking
whilst in
an office environment.

I would also like to add that the treatment that I received in hospital
recently when I firs,t had a quadruple heart by pass, followed by a LUNG
decortication, was enhanced because I didn't smoke and NEVER HAD SMOKED


Come off your 'I know my rights' high horse. YOU pollute the air I
breath. I
don't pollute the air you breath.

We have the same argument with you very selfish polluters on the cruise
ships. I cruise a lot and have to endure you polluting MY balcony.

If you were meant to smoke, you would have been born with a chimney
out of
you head.


And Roy Castle, a famous case if I am not mistaken.

A famous case of someone who didn't die from passive smoking.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk