In article , geoff
writes

Exactly the same problem I had with my Epson C1000

It was cheaper to buy a new printer than the fuser unit

Simple - they're crap.

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In article , Mike Tomlinson
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Ooh, that would be really handy, thanks. (It might not be me that fits
the kit.) mike AT jasper DOT org DOT uk

Received ok, thank you very much Bob.

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In message , Mike Tomlinson
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In article , geoff
writes

Exactly the same problem I had with my Epson C1000

It was cheaper to buy a new printer than the fuser unit

Simple - they're crap.

Other than that particular problem, for the price (about £300 IIRC), it
wasn't


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Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:31:22 +0000, Dave wrote:

I had a 5L and as you say, it would print forever.

He said 5, not 5L...radically different I am afraid.

Sorry, I didn't notice that.

Dave

TheOldFellow wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:26:42 +0000
Lobster wrote:

I currently have an old LaserJet 5 printer - bought it off ebay for
about £35 delivered a few months ago and have been delighted with it
(not least of which because I can get original HP toner carts for it via
the same route for a tenner - many thousands of sheets of paper later
and I'm still on the first cart - what's not to like?!)

Unfortunately it's just developed a paper jam error and I'm wondering if
any of the IT gurus here might be able to advise? It's gone straight
from never jamming at all, to doing so 100% of the time: the paper is
picked up OK but jams just before it enters the fuser assembly. I've
asked a couple of commercial outfits locally but they tell me it's not
worth the cost of them even looking at it, which nearly makes my hair
bleed - I'm convinced the problem is going to be something really
trivial to someone who knows what to look for, and I'm appalled at the
thought of just skipping the printer, as advised.

I've been trawling the net for solutions; best site appears to be
www.fixyourownprinter.com which (I think) seems to be suggesting paper
sensors; if that's the case I can't find them! (I can't relate the
photos at http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ref...des/sensors/ex
to my own machine TBH).

Any ideas, anyone? Does the paper sensor thing make sense?

Thanks
David


Pretty sure that this won't help in your case, but I had lots of problems with paper jams on printers that were
solved by cleaning the picking rollers with double-sided adhesive tape
stuck to a sheet of paper in line with the rollers.

The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.

That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.

Dave

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:30 +0000, Dave wrote:

The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.

That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.

IME, they just get old and hard with age. I've seen 'rubber roller
restorer' but never tried any; I fitted new rollers as they weren't very
expensive. (this was on the LJ4/4+5 exit rollers; instructions on
request!)




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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:30 +0000, Dave wrote:

The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.

That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.

IME, they just get old and hard with age. I've seen 'rubber roller
restorer' but never tried any;

I've heard of castor oil working well to cure hardness issues on rubber
parts, but I don't know if it's prone to causing staining when it contacts
the paper (not very useful in a printer). Might be one for someone to try
sometime though if they're otherwise just going to order new rollers.

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

On 5 Nov, 21:47, Jules
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:30 +0000, Dave wrote:

The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.

That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.

IME, they just get old and hard with age. I've seen 'rubber roller
restorer' but never tried any;

I've heard of castor oil working well to cure hardness issues on rubber
parts, but I don't know if it's prone to causing staining when it contacts
the paper (not very useful in a printer). Might be one for someone to try
sometime though if they're otherwise just going to order new rollers.

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

yeah I'll look out for you on ebay then!
I fondly remember these laserjets from my time in academia in the 90s
- didn;t realise until this thread, that they were regarded so well -
I fancy one too! Inkjets are sh1te :))

JimK

JimK wrote:
On 5 Nov, 21:47, Jules
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:30 +0000, Dave wrote:
The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.
That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.
IME, they just get old and hard with age. I've seen 'rubber roller
restorer' but never tried any;
I've heard of castor oil working well to cure hardness issues on rubber
parts, but I don't know if it's prone to causing staining when it contacts
the paper (not very useful in a printer). Might be one for someone to try
sometime though if they're otherwise just going to order new rollers.

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

yeah I'll look out for you on ebay then!
I fondly remember these laserjets from my time in academia in the 90s
- didn;t realise until this thread, that they were regarded so well -
I fancy one too! Inkjets are sh1te :))

JimK
I'm on my second ebay derived laserjet 6MP, the first having died from
being ****ed on by the cat.


So if anyone needs spares..oh. No. WE threw the stripped chassis in the
skip.

Anwyay the 6MP is a fine machine. £50 every couple of years for a
genuine new HP drum/toner assy, or chance your arm with a refill.

Friend has 2 Ricoh A3 color lasers..few hundred each. Just don't use 3rd
party ink..destroyed one..which is how he ended up with two..one P/ex on
the old, the second hastily bought in off ebay.

loads of offices going bust or being downsized. great time too buy S/H
or refurbed kit.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:13 -0800, JimK wrote:

On 5 Nov, 21:47, Jules
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:30 +0000, Dave wrote:

The roller tyres gets impregnated with paper dust and it makes them
slippy instead of grippy.

That's something to keep in mind. Thanks.

IME, they just get old and hard with age. I've seen 'rubber roller
restorer' but never tried any;

I've heard of castor oil working well to cure hardness issues on rubber
parts, but I don't know if it's prone to causing staining when it
contacts the paper (not very useful in a printer). Might be one for
someone to try sometime though if they're otherwise just going to order
new rollers.

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

yeah I'll look out for you on ebay then! I fondly remember these
laserjets from my time in academia in the 90s - didn;t realise until
this thread, that they were regarded so well - I fancy one too! Inkjets
are sh1te :))

There are still some around at work. Not in my department - the last one,
a LJ 4M+, went when its user retired. I grabbed it before it was
skipped...!

(the 4M+ has network card and PostScript).



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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:47:20 -0600, Jules wrote:

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

Tell her the one I use every day was built just after you left
university....

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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:01:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:47:20 -0600, Jules wrote:

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

Tell her the one I use every day was built just after you left
university....

:-) I'll work on it... whilst a modern laser might be faster and do more
stuff, I still think an old 4- or 5- will outlast it, and we don't print
huge docs where the speed's an issue (hmm, can you overclock a laserjet?

Problem is new lasers are stupidly cheap this side of the Atlantic, so by
the time I've bought a laserjet and paid for shipping there's not a lot in
it - and then there's the risk of being sold a lemon if I can't see the
physical printer before buying.

cheers

Jules

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:26:34 -0600, Jules wrote:

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:01:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:47:20 -0600, Jules wrote:

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

Tell her the one I use every day was built just after you left
university....

:-) I'll work on it... whilst a modern laser might be faster and do more
stuff, I still think an old 4- or 5- will outlast it, and we don't print
huge docs where the speed's an issue (hmm, can you overclock a laserjet?


Problem is new lasers are stupidly cheap this side of the Atlantic, so
by the time I've bought a laserjet and paid for shipping there's not a
lot in it - and then there's the risk of being sold a lemon if I can't
see the physical printer before buying.

I bought my last two from a town 10 miles away (Faversham) and collected
myself. More difficult in the US though! Paid 7 quid for those
two....both non-working but took a total of about 40 minutes to fix both
of them.




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On 6 Nov, 07:35, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:26:34 -0600, Jules wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:01:22 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:47:20 -0600, Jules wrote:

I've been trying to convince the missus that we need an old laserjet
lately (we're both sick of the inkjet she has) and I like their
reputation for being built like tanks and reasonably easy to fix when
they do break.

Tell her the one I use every day was built just after you left
university....

:-) I'll work on it... whilst a modern laser might be faster and do more
stuff, I still think an old 4- or 5- will outlast it, and we don't print
huge docs where the speed's an issue (hmm, can you overclock a laserjet?


Problem is new lasers are stupidly cheap this side of the Atlantic, so
by the time I've bought a laserjet and paid for shipping there's not a
lot in it - and then there's the risk of being sold a lemon if I can't
see the physical printer before buying.

I bought my last two from a town 10 miles away (Faversham) and collected
myself. More difficult in the US though! Paid 7 quid for those
two....both non-working but took a total of about 40 minutes to fix both
of them.

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Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p
- apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the
first page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a
"paper jam" and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the
printed pages as they appear all is well......if infuriating....

TIA

JimK

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:

Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p -
apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the first
page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a "paper jam"
and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the printed pages as
they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16 x
17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper could
jam anything. A 5L, however....



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On 6 Nov, 22:10, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:
Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p -
apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the first
page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a "paper jam"
and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the printed pages as
they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16 x
17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper could
jam anything. A 5L, however....

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will check asap

cheers
JimK

On Nov 6, 10:10 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:
Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p -
apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the first
page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a "paper jam"
and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the printed pages as
they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16 x
17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper could
jam anything. A 5L, however....

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yes it's a 5p (ex office printer)

like this
http://www.cariaprint.ru/cnt/pic/pri...LaserJet5P.jpg

will have a play with it and make sure they have described symptoms
accurately....

cheers
JimK

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:46:15 -0800, JimK wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:10 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:
Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p
- apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the
first page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a
"paper jam" and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the
printed pages as they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16
x 17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper
could jam anything. A 5L, however....

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yes it's a 5p (ex office printer)

like this
http://www.cariaprint.ru/cnt/pic/pri...LaserJet5P.jpg

will have a play with it and make sure they have described symptoms
accurately....

cheers
JimK

Want the service manual?



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On 7 Nov, 09:46, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:46:15 -0800, JimK wrote:
On Nov 6, 10:10 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:
Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p
- apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the
first page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a
"paper jam" and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the
printed pages as they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16
x 17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper
could jam anything. A 5L, however....

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yes it's a 5p (ex office printer)

like this
http://www.cariaprint.ru/cnt/pic/pri...LaserJet5P.jpg

will have a play with it and make sure they have described symptoms
accurately....

cheers
JimK

Want the service manual?

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yes please!

(email is valid)

Cheers
JimK

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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:46:15 -0800, JimK wrote:

On Nov 6, 10:10 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:04:22 -0800, JimK wrote:
Just been to my folks and I got the symptom wrong on the faulty LJ 5p
- apparently what happens is that if you print a document, when the
first page exits, unless it is removed from the hopper, there is a
"paper jam" and printing stops. If you sit there and remove the
printed pages as they appear all is well......if infuriating....

Are you sure it's a 5P? That's a fairly hefty desktop beast, roughly 16
x 17.5 inch footprint? Can't quite see how paper in the output hopper
could jam anything. A 5L, however....

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yes it's a 5p (ex office printer)

like this
http://www.cariaprint.ru/cnt/pic/pri...LaserJet5P.jpg

will have a play with it and make sure they have described symptoms
accurately....

cheers
JimK

Want the service manual?



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Bob, if that manual also covers the 5MP could I have a copy, pretty please.
Is rde42@************ your valid email?

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:43:02 +0000, brass monkey wrote:

Bob, if that manual also covers the 5MP could I have a copy, pretty
please. Is rde42@************ your valid email?

It does. Yes.


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