Our Whirlpool ADP 4504 dishwasher looks like it needs new PCB at a cost
of £104.73!

I don't mind repairing it but, as it's ~5 years old and already had a
couple of other parts replaced, I'm tempted to replace it.

Anyone care to comment on continuing (un)reliability and/or recommend a
replacement?

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F

On 19 July, 17:22, F news@nowhere wrote:
Our Whirlpool ADP 4504 dishwasher looks like it needs new PCB at a cost
of £104.73!

I don't mind repairing it but, as it's ~5 years old and already had a
couple of other parts replaced, I'm tempted to replace it.

Anyone care to comment on continuing (un)reliability and/or recommend a
replacement?

--
F

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

We have had a Siemens integrated one for 6-7 years, it gets used a lot
and has only had one part replaced, however I have heard that Siemens/
Bosch/Neff are not the same good quality as they once were.

On 19/07/2009 18:10 David wrote:

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

That seems to be the consensus but they're too expensive for me, even
taking into account the argument that 'you can buy one Miele that will
outlast two cheaper whatever'.

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F

On 19 July, 19:32, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 19/07/2009 18:10 David wrote:

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

That seems to be the consensus but they're too expensive for me, even
taking into account the argument that 'you can buy one Miele that will
outlast two cheaper whatever'.

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F

Have a look at AEG, Zanussi and top end Bosch models.

"David" wrote in message
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On 19 July, 19:32, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 19/07/2009 18:10 David wrote:

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

That seems to be the consensus but they're too expensive for me, even
taking into account the argument that 'you can buy one Miele that will
outlast two cheaper whatever'.

--
F

Have a look at AEG, Zanussi and top end Bosch models.

I've gone over to Bosch dishwasher and washing machines and they both seem
to do German reliability at more like Italian prices.....

In message , newshound
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"David" wrote in message
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On 19 July, 19:32, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 19/07/2009 18:10 David wrote:

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

That seems to be the consensus but they're too expensive for me, even
taking into account the argument that 'you can buy one Miele that will
outlast two cheaper whatever'.

--
F

Have a look at AEG, Zanussi and top end Bosch models.

I've gone over to Bosch dishwasher and washing machines and they both
seem to do German reliability at more like Italian prices.....

Italian prices as in 'kin expensive ?

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geoff

In article ,
F news@nowhere writes:
Our Whirlpool ADP 4504 dishwasher looks like it needs new PCB at a cost
of £104.73!

I don't mind repairing it but, as it's ~5 years old and already had a
couple of other parts replaced, I'm tempted to replace it.

Anyone care to comment on continuing (un)reliability and/or recommend a
replacement?

I look after two Whirlpools (IKEA ones) for different relatives.
Both have had problems, but have not been unduely unreliable.
They are 8 and 9 years old.

One was DOA - sprayed water everywhere on first switch-on.
Whirlpool engineer looked inside and said it looked like it
never completed it's passage down the production line as several
bits were missing. He fitted lots of parts and left. Next wash
cycle, it did the same. They sent another engineer, but I had
uninstalled it and packed it all up carefully again in its
original packing crate, so they wouldn't try repairing it again.
That worked, and instead of trying to repair it as he'd intended,
he ordered a new one.

New one was fine, except the door brakes both broke after a
couple of years (plastic pulleys which don't rotate and generate
friction to stop the door falling open/closed too quickly).
Got replacements from CPC.

The second one developed a leak - the outlet from the main pump
split (apparently a common fault with that pump, which is used
on lots of dishwashers), but its leak detection tray caught this
and it didn't do any damage to the solid maple floor it stands on.
I repaired by cutting off the integral outlet hose, and using a
piece of car radiator hose, which is still in place now a few
years later.

More recently I checked this one after a leak which turned out to
be user error (something shut in the door seal). However, I noticed
the two door brakes were also broken on this one, but are still
working. Also, the pump is starting to leak from the shaft seal,
but not enough yet to cause a problem.

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Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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In article ,
F news@nowhere writes:
Our Whirlpool ADP 4504 dishwasher looks like it needs new PCB at a cost
of £104.73!

I don't mind repairing it but, as it's ~5 years old and already had a
couple of other parts replaced, I'm tempted to replace it.

Anyone care to comment on continuing (un)reliability and/or recommend a
replacement?

I look after two Whirlpools (IKEA ones) for different relatives.
Both have had problems, but have not been unduely unreliable.
They are 8 and 9 years old.

One was DOA - sprayed water everywhere on first switch-on.
Whirlpool engineer looked inside and said it looked like it
never completed it's passage down the production line as several
bits were missing. He fitted lots of parts and left. Next wash
cycle, it did the same. They sent another engineer, but I had
uninstalled it and packed it all up carefully again in its
original packing crate, so they wouldn't try repairing it again.
That worked, and instead of trying to repair it as he'd intended,
he ordered a new one.

New one was fine, except the door brakes both broke after a
couple of years (plastic pulleys which don't rotate and generate
friction to stop the door falling open/closed too quickly).
Got replacements from CPC.

The second one developed a leak - the outlet from the main pump
split (apparently a common fault with that pump, which is used
on lots of dishwashers), but its leak detection tray caught this
and it didn't do any damage to the solid maple floor it stands on.
I repaired by cutting off the integral outlet hose, and using a
piece of car radiator hose, which is still in place now a few
years later.

More recently I checked this one after a leak which turned out to
be user error (something shut in the door seal). However, I noticed
the two door brakes were also broken on this one, but are still
working. Also, the pump is starting to leak from the shaft seal,
but not enough yet to cause a problem.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

My Indesits lasted seven years, but now have a five year old Bosch needing
atention !!, Daughter has Beko no problems yet ,

In article ,
"Leveled" writes:

My Indesits lasted seven years, but now have a five year old Bosch needing
atention !!, Daughter has Beko no problems yet ,

I can add a few more data points from dishwashers around the family
which I know of and in some cases maintain.

A bottom-of-the-range Creda is 19 years old, and still working perfectly.
It needed a new wash pump at 2 years old (drive shaft seal leaked, and
water ran back into the motor bearing making it seize). After replacing
that, nothing has needed doing for past 17 years, although I've noticed
some of the internal rubber hoses are looking like they're starting to
perish.

A Zanussi my parents had for, possibly 10 years, up to 10 years ago,
was on a maintenance contract and probably needed a callout about once
a year to keep it working. There would also be an urgent safety recall
about once every 2 years, requiring Zanussi to come and replace some
part, or wrap insulating tape around something. (More than one of the
recalls involved chafing of the cable bundle going into the door.)

Two Homark compact dishwashers. First lasted about 10 years and the
drain pump seized. I couldn't find a spare quickly, and owner
couldn't wait so it was written off. Second one is 8 years old and
still working fine, except it stopped heating at one point. I took
the controller apart, couldn't find anything wrong, but it worked
fine after reassembly. Also noticed the mains interference suppressor
on the mains inlet had exploded at some time, presumably when no
one was around. Looked like an after-thought anyway, possibly added
just for the UK or EU market, and remained connected even when
dishwasher switched off (but not after exploding;-). Good thing it
didn't start a fire.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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"David" wrote in message
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On 19 July, 19:32, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 19/07/2009 18:10 David wrote:

I don't think you can go far wrong with a Miele.

That seems to be the consensus but they're too expensive for me, even
taking into account the argument that 'you can buy one Miele that will
outlast two cheaper whatever'.

--
F

Have a look at AEG, Zanussi and top end Bosch models.

I've gone over to Bosch dishwasher and washing machines and they both seem
to do German reliability at more like Italian prices.....

Agreed- we've had nothing but trouble with a Hotpoint/Whirlpool/Hoover
washer and d/washer. A brand new hotpoint flooded the kitchen overnight
after its maiden voyage. Since gone to Bosch. Washer is now 7 yrs old and
does at least one cycle per day and hasnt missed a beat.

They are both mid rangers, not top or bottom end .

My 2p...

Tim

didn't start a fire.

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Andrew Gabriel
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I think people place too much trust in a brand name. Pity we can't examine
the internals before we buy - but they are much cheaper than they used to
be - so we can only assume that components are build to a price and
serviceability is no longer a consideration.

I believe many production lines in Germany have many Turkish workers.
However, most stuff is designed for foolproof ergonomic assembly nowadays.

In many parts of Europe this make is considered good:
http://www.gorenje.co.uk/6936

but it hasn't made much headway in the UK because of 'name badge resistance'
(by retailers and customers). Made in Slovenia.