I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached. The
bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about 4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty of
space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local home
improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever need to
install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still preferable
to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough. I'm not crazy
about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so the wood would
need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish. Also, wood screws
tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This strip
would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the strip
where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install (plenty of
room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and best of all,
I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace the dishwasher in
the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either with
aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is much more
rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure the thickness,
but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!

Bas Pluim wrote:
I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached. The
bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about 4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty of
space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local home
improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever need to
install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still preferable
to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough. I'm not crazy
about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so the wood would
need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish. Also, wood screws
tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This strip
would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the strip
where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install (plenty of
room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and best of all,
I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace the dishwasher in
the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either with
aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is much more
rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure the thickness,
but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!


You're close to a solution......expanding on your steel strip idea

use a 1/2" x 1/2" square aluminum tube as your "metal strip"..... a
lot stiffer than a steel strip of any reasonable thickness & a lot
easier to drill

Mount the tube behind the existing brackets & just screw thru the new
dishwasher

this should work fine unless I'm not understanding the installation
geometry


btw removing epoxy is really simple....slowing heat the brackets to
170F+ and the stuff will soften...scrape it off

cheers
Bob

Bas Pluim wrote:
I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached. The
bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about 4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty of
space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local home
improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever need to
install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still preferable
to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough. I'm not crazy
about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so the wood would
need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish. Also, wood screws
tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This strip
would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the strip
where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install (plenty of
room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and best of all,
I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace the dishwasher in
the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either with
aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is much more
rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure the thickness,
but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!

Buy the optional "side mount" brackets for your dishwasher and screw it
into the two cabinets on either side. No sense reinventing the wheel.

http://www.vincistone.com/marble_and...htm#dishwasher

Why does it need to be attached to the top anyway? Isn't gravity enough to
keep it in place???

"Bas Pluim" wrote in message
...
I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached.
The bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about 4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty
of space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local
home improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever
need to install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still
preferable to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough.
I'm not crazy about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so
the wood would need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish.
Also, wood screws tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty
much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This
strip would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the
strip where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install
(plenty of room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and
best of all, I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace
the dishwasher in the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either
with aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is
much more rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure
the thickness, but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!

glenn P wrote:
Why does it need to be attached to the top anyway? Isn't gravity enough to
keep it in place???


Yes, and gravity is enough to have it tip forward when a rack full of
dishes is slid forward.

"RayV" wrote in message
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glenn P wrote:
Why does it need to be attached to the top anyway? Isn't gravity enough
to
keep it in place???


Yes, and gravity is enough to have it tip forward when a rack full of
dishes is slid forward.


I have the same problem, here's the "solution"

http://www.vincistone.com/marble_and...htm#dishwasher

Attach it to the sides. I'll be trying it right away.

S

"RayV" wrote in message
ups.com...
(snipped)
Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against
something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!

Buy the optional "side mount" brackets for your dishwasher and screw it
into the two cabinets on either side. No sense reinventing the wheel.

http://www.vincistone.com/marble_and...htm#dishwasher


Several of the brands of dishwashers that I sold had holes predrilled (and
plugged) in the front side edge of the dishasher already. Simply pull the
rubber plugs and screw to the cabinet.

Bob,

This is a brilliant idea!!!! I took a U-shaped piece of aluminum, drilled
two holes in it, and mounted it using the existing brackets (the open piece
part of the "tube" faces the countertop, over the existing brackets/ nuts).
It's not quite flush (the brackets are about 1/16" thick), but it looks
great.

I also drilled holes at the edges of the "tube" for the dishwasher clips.
Epoxied two nuts inside the tube so that I don't have to fiddle with a
wrench. Now just waiting for the epoxy to harden before I install it, but
the dry fit looked good. Very strong, no flexing.

Thanks!

"BobK207" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bas Pluim wrote:
I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached.
The
bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about
4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty
of
space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local
home
improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever need
to
install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I
don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to
route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still
preferable
to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough. I'm not
crazy
about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so the wood
would
need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish. Also, wood screws
tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This
strip
would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the strip
where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install (plenty
of
room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and best of
all,
I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace the dishwasher
in
the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either
with
aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is much
more
rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure the
thickness,
but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against
something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!


You're close to a solution......expanding on your steel strip idea

use a 1/2" x 1/2" square aluminum tube as your "metal strip"..... a
lot stiffer than a steel strip of any reasonable thickness & a lot
easier to drill

Mount the tube behind the existing brackets & just screw thru the new
dishwasher

this should work fine unless I'm not understanding the installation
geometry


btw removing epoxy is really simple....slowing heat the brackets to
170F+ and the stuff will soften...scrape it off

cheers
Bob

Yes, side mount brackets would have been a good idea. Of course, I need a
quick solution since I'm washing dishes by hand right now (I know - not the
end of the world, but there are more fun things to do). Ordering the side
clips would probably take at least a week.

Experience...that what you get right after you needed it.

"RayV" wrote in message
ups.com...

Buy the optional "side mount" brackets for your dishwasher and screw it
into the two cabinets on either side. No sense reinventing the wheel.

http://www.vincistone.com/marble_and...htm#dishwasher

G'day,

http://www.applianceaid.com/dish_countertop.html

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Bas Pluim wrote:
Bob,

This is a brilliant idea!!!! I took a U-shaped piece of aluminum, drilled
two holes in it, and mounted it using the existing brackets (the open piece
part of the "tube" faces the countertop, over the existing brackets/ nuts).
It's not quite flush (the brackets are about 1/16" thick), but it looks
great.

I also drilled holes at the edges of the "tube" for the dishwasher clips.
Epoxied two nuts inside the tube so that I don't have to fiddle with a
wrench. Now just waiting for the epoxy to harden before I install it, but
the dry fit looked good. Very strong, no flexing.

Thanks!

"BobK207" wrote in message
ups.com...

Bas Pluim wrote:
I bought a new dishwasher. The old one was attached to the granite
countertop via two machine screws and metal "brackets".
These brackets are nothing but a metal square with a fixed nut attached.
The
bracket is mounted under countertop with some epoxy, then a screw goes
through the dishwasher clips into the nut. Real easy.

In their infinite wisdom, dishwasher manufacturers decided to not have a
standard spacing of the clips. The clips on my new dishwasher are about
4"
further apart. So, now I have a few options.

1) Install a second set of brackets besides the old one. There is plenty
of
space for this, but (a) I don't have any of the brackets, and the local
home
improvement store doesn't seem to carry them and (b) what if I ever need
to
install a dishwasher with yet another clip spacing?

2) Install a wood rail (with epoxy), then use a wood screw through the
dishwasher clips into the rail. The nice thing with a rail is that I
don't
have to worry about a bracket being in the exact right spot. However, the
existing brackets make it difficult to install the rail, I'd have to
route
out some pieces so it fits snug over the brackets. This is still
preferable
to taking down the existing brackets, the epoxy is very tough. I'm not
crazy
about wood though. It will be a damp, warm area (steam), so the wood
would
need to be prepared with a good stain and or/ varnish. Also, wood screws
tend to loosen over time, whereas a bolt/ nut is pretty much permanent.

3) Install a metal strip (1/2" wide) using the existing brackets. This
strip
would be long enough so that I can drill holes at the ends of the strip
where the dishwasher clips will be attached. It's easy to install (plenty
of
room between dishwasher and countertop), uses a bolt & nut, and best of
all,
I can drill additional holes in the strip should I replace the dishwasher
in
the future.

My only concern with the metal strip is that it's slightly flexible, i.e.
will "give" a little. But...we're only talking 2" beyond the bracket.
I checked out what's available in the hardware store, I could go either
with
aluminum or steel. Aluminum is lighter and easier to use, steel is much
more
rigid but more difficult to cut to size etc. I didn't measure the
thickness,
but it's about 3 credit cards thick, pretty solid.

Should I be concerned about not having the clips mounted against
something
not completely rigid? Is there an option 4?

Thanks!


You're close to a solution......expanding on your steel strip idea

use a 1/2" x 1/2" square aluminum tube as your "metal strip"..... a
lot stiffer than a steel strip of any reasonable thickness & a lot
easier to drill

Mount the tube behind the existing brackets & just screw thru the new
dishwasher

this should work fine unless I'm not understanding the installation
geometry


btw removing epoxy is really simple....slowing heat the brackets to
170F+ and the stuff will soften...scrape it off

cheers
Bob



Forget the nuts.... I'd use a coarse thread sheet metal screw & be done
with it.

It ain't goin' to be removed a replaced very often.

Use a #10 (or #12 if the hole is already too big)

cheers
Bob