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Treated myself to one of these cordless screwdrivers today from the Screwfix
counter in Tunbridge Wells: Yes I know, could have got it cheaper on the web, but couldn't wait... http://www.screwfix.com/prods/87155/...ewdriver-Drill Very impressed that for something that is so small and light it seems to have some reasonable grunt. It made kitchen disassembly today very pleasant and much easier to do single handed. The Fein proved a lifesaver too when taking out a corner cupboard by the sink as I need to leave the sink in for now for coffee and cleaning up. So I had to make some fairly awkward cuts in the worktop. Jigsaw with a broken off blade did the long stretch more quickly, and the Fein did the impossibly difficult bit at the back. Looking at the water pipes I need to cut off and disconnect soon, looks like a Fein job too as there's not enough room to swing even a compact pipe cutter on some of them... Definitely no room for a hacksaw either. This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? Cheers Tim |
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On 16 Nov, 22:04, Tim S wrote:
Treated myself to one of these cordless screwdrivers today from the Screwfix counter in Tunbridge Wells: Yes I know, could have got it cheaper on the web, but couldn't wait... http://www.screwfix.com/prods/87155/...s-Screwdrivers... Very impressed that for something that is so small and light it seems to have some reasonable grunt. It made kitchen disassembly today very pleasant and much easier to do single handed. The Fein proved a lifesaver too when taking out a corner cupboard by the sink as I need to leave the sink in for now for coffee and cleaning up. So I had to make some fairly awkward cuts in the worktop. Jigsaw with a broken off blade did the long stretch more quickly, and the Fein did the impossibly difficult bit at the back. Looking at the water pipes I need to cut off and disconnect soon, looks like a Fein job too as there's not enough room to swing even a compact pipe cutter on some of them... Definitely no room for a hacksaw either. This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? Cheers Tim It's the "Only £79.99" that sticks in my craw. 9 years ago I bought out of Safeways a Bosch box that contained a battery drill driver, a torch and a cycle tyre compressor with two 9.6v batteries and a fast charger for £40. And all is still going wonderfully. A pox on all your fancy L-Ion batteries, 24v systems, etc; mine is light, reliable, works hard ....and no doubt will die tomorrow !! Rob |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:36:29 UTC, robgraham
wrote: It's the "Only £79.99" that sticks in my craw. 9 years ago I bought out of Safeways a Bosch box that contained a battery drill driver, a torch and a cycle tyre compressor with two 9.6v batteries and a fast charger for £40. And all is still going wonderfully. A pox on all your fancy L-Ion batteries, 24v systems, etc; mine is light, reliable, works hard ....and no doubt will die tomorrow !! I bought one of the little Bosch Li-ion Ixo models just after they came out, three or four years ago. It doesn't have the grunt for *really* stiff screws, but it's still been a lifesaver! Cost me £24.99, and must have been the earliest model. Battery died after 4 months, so I took it back to B&Q. They replaced it with the current model, £29.99 with an improved stand, a selection of bits and a clearly improved battery. The only gripe I have it that it gets rather warm while charging, and the two charging contacts on the handle are a bit too warm for comfort if using straight away. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Tim S wrote:
Treated myself to one of these cordless screwdrivers today from the Screwfix counter in Tunbridge Wells: Yes I know, could have got it cheaper on the web, but couldn't wait... http://www.screwfix.com/prods/87155/...ewdriver-Drill Very impressed that for something that is so small and light it seems to have some reasonable grunt. Blue Bosch - you aint gonna go wrong with that. It made kitchen disassembly today very pleasant and much easier to do single handed. SNIP This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. I have to be a bit careful about that, all to easy for me to fall into the "I need one for the business" trap. I sometimes have to give myself a good talking to! I am lucky though, in that I do now have a lot of good quality kit which I could never justify for DIY use, but when doing stuff for myself it makes life so easy. I am of the opinion that the right tools for the job are worth having. Especially for business use. If something saves me time & aggro its worth it because I'm more efficient. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? My dad used to say "good tools don't cost you money, they save you money". -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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writes: On 16 Nov, Tim S wrote: I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? I've still got my father's rawlplug jumpimg tool for No. 8 screws. Took some considerable time (½hour?) per hole in the brick the house was constructed with. More like 2 seconds with my SDS. I've got my father's rawlplug cold chisels he used to put 1/2" and 3/4" pipework through the brick walls when he installed heating in 1959(?). I last used them probably about 8 years ago -- I had an SDS drill, but not a big enough bit. Gave up and bought a bigger bit. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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robgraham coughed up some electrons that declared:
On 16 Nov, 22:04, Tim S wrote: Treated myself to one of these cordless screwdrivers today from the Screwfix counter in Tunbridge Wells: Yes I know, could have got it cheaper on the web, but couldn't wait... http://www.screwfix.com/prods/87155/...s-Screwdrivers... Very impressed that for something that is so small and light it seems to have some reasonable grunt. It made kitchen disassembly today very pleasant and much easier to do single handed. The Fein proved a lifesaver too when taking out a corner cupboard by the sink as I need to leave the sink in for now for coffee and cleaning up. So I had to make some fairly awkward cuts in the worktop. Jigsaw with a broken off blade did the long stretch more quickly, and the Fein did the impossibly difficult bit at the back. Looking at the water pipes I need to cut off and disconnect soon, looks like a Fein job too as there's not enough room to swing even a compact pipe cutter on some of them... Definitely no room for a hacksaw either. This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? Cheers Tim It's the "Only £79.99" that sticks in my craw. It is a "blue". I try not to buy cheap for things that are going to get a lot of use, as this will. Same with my drill (also blue Bosch). Jigsaw sees occasional use and that's a green Bosch, along with my planer. Single use stuff comes from ALDI specials or the hire shop ;- 9 years ago I bought out of Safeways a Bosch box that contained a battery drill driver, a torch and a cycle tyre compressor with two 9.6v batteries and a fast charger for £40. And all is still going wonderfully. My first (only) cordless drill was 20 quid from a Texas (remember them) closing down sale. That lasted 5 years before I abused it to having a pronounced wobble in the shaft, then another 5 years being good enough as a screwdriver and rough drill until the battery died. A pox on all your fancy L-Ion batteries, 24v systems, etc; mine is light, reliable, works hard ....and no doubt will die tomorrow !! :- |
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The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
Tim S wrote: Treated myself to one of these cordless screwdrivers today from the Screwfix counter in Tunbridge Wells: Yes I know, could have got it cheaper on the web, but couldn't wait... http://www.screwfix.com/prods/87155/...ewdriver-Drill Very impressed that for something that is so small and light it seems to have some reasonable grunt. Blue Bosch - you aint gonna go wrong with that. It made kitchen disassembly today very pleasant and much easier to do single handed. SNIP This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. I have to be a bit careful about that, all to easy for me to fall into the "I need one for the business" trap. I sometimes have to give myself a good talking to! It is easy to get carried away. I got a laser level because there was a good one on ebay, though with all the tiling and cubboard hanging, I can see it will make things go a lot quicker. But when I look at my spreadsheet, the budget for tools (budgeted entirely against the house renovation) is a comparatively small number when I consider how much it would cost to pay someone to do the job to the way I want it. I am lucky though, in that I do now have a lot of good quality kit which I could never justify for DIY use, but when doing stuff for myself it makes life so easy. I am of the opinion that the right tools for the job are worth having. Especially for business use. If something saves me time & aggro its worth it because I'm more efficient. That's my opinion. If I don't do something much, I make do, if I've got a year or two of solid use for it, I'll try to go for something that actually works. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? My dad used to say "good tools don't cost you money, they save you money". I've been cheap too many times and mostly regretted it. Just end up spending again to replace it. Cheers Tim |
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Tim S wrote:
This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. Yup, IIRC I acquired a few decent ones as part of my loft conversion. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? By not having to work with Ikea/MFI/Flatpack of your choice furniture that glibly expects you to wind in 1000 screws during assembly! ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Bob Eager coughed up some electrons that declared:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:36:29 UTC, robgraham wrote: It's the "Only £79.99" that sticks in my craw. 9 years ago I bought out of Safeways a Bosch box that contained a battery drill driver, a torch and a cycle tyre compressor with two 9.6v batteries and a fast charger for £40. And all is still going wonderfully. A pox on all your fancy L-Ion batteries, 24v systems, etc; mine is light, reliable, works hard ....and no doubt will die tomorrow !! I bought one of the little Bosch Li-ion Ixo models just after they came out, three or four years ago. It doesn't have the grunt for *really* stiff screws, but it's still been a lifesaver! Cost me £24.99, and must have been the earliest model. Battery died after 4 months, so I took it back to B&Q. They replaced it with the current model, £29.99 with an improved stand, a selection of bits and a clearly improved battery. The only gripe I have it that it gets rather warm while charging, and the two charging contacts on the handle are a bit too warm for comfort if using straight away. I was toying with the Ixo as B&Q had some on clearout a while back. But the one I got in the end was a similar model to the one they use at work and they love it, so that kind of swayed me. Having the torque limiter was a major consideration. Cheers Tim |
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John Rumm coughed up some electrons that declared:
Tim S wrote: This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. Yup, IIRC I acquired a few decent ones as part of my loft conversion. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? By not having to work with Ikea/MFI/Flatpack of your choice furniture that glibly expects you to wind in 1000 screws during assembly! ;-) Of course, MFI would only supply 993 of the required screws and you wouldn't notice until the end. And they'd be the really critical ones missing. And they wouldn't just send you a few in the post - oh no - had to disassemble it and take the whole lot back to the shop. At least Ikea have a load of grab bins on the way out full of spare cams and screws (well, Croydon does anyway) On an unrelated note, MFI in Tunbridge Wells has just gone to push the daisies up. Cheers Tim |
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John Rumm wrote:
Tim S wrote: This is what I like about doing a big job - no quandry about buying fancy tools. I'd never justify all these nice things for the odd spot of DIY. Yup, IIRC I acquired a few decent ones as part of my loft conversion. I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? By not having to work with Ikea/MFI/Flatpack of your choice furniture that glibly expects you to wind in 1000 screws during assembly! ;-) Sore point! Last week I built a 32 sq mtr deck & my Mak autofeed was in for repair [1], 1100 screws (& 240 coach bolts) put in with impact drivers :-( [1] long story, not yet resolved. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On an unrelated note, MFI in Tunbridge Wells has just gone to push the daisies up. I think I was told the whole lot has! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I remember sinking a backbox with my father. A double in the side of a chimney breast, with a club hammer and chisel and a power drill. Took a day (HARD bricks). I'll be upset if I can't manage at least 10-15 in a day with an SDS and sinking cutter, though that remains to be tried! I can do one in about 5 - 10 mins with ordinary chisels in the SDS... If the wall is hard then I usually use a 20mm flat chisel to cut round the periphery, and then a 40m flat one to chop out the waste working first from the middle toward the ends, before levelling the middle bit. (I have found its quite easy to develop a technique for planing down the back of the chase with the wider chisel - allowing it to skip across the surface removing a shaving of brick, rather than cutting deep. Not tried one of the sinking tools. I understand they are best with softer walls. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Tim S wrote:
My dad used to say "good tools don't cost you money, they save you money". I've been cheap too many times and mostly regretted it. Just end up spending again to replace it. Must admit I have never regretted buying any of my decent tools, but there are a few mid range ones I wish I had bought better versions of. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I've been cheap too many times and mostly regretted it. Just end up spending again to replace it. But, Tim - was that 'cheap' to save money, or 'cheap' because it was the first time you had a requirement for that tool and didn't know if the use was going to be on-going ? I'm long past my house renovation days - it was still in the 'hammer and chisel era', relative to the availability of power tools now - but there is an argument that applies across the board that says it is better value to buy at low cost to find the uses of an iteml and replace with good quality later. And extending that further, some items are better value at the lower end of the market - my chop saw from Aldi/Lidls has had almost 3 years of continuous use for constructional work and I wouldn't hesitate to go back and get another at £25, rather than a named one at anything up to £200. Rob |
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robgraham coughed up some electrons that declared:
I've been cheap too many times and mostly regretted it. Just end up spending again to replace it. But, Tim - was that 'cheap' to save money, or 'cheap' because it was the first time you had a requirement for that tool and didn't know if the use was going to be on-going ? Both Rob. Unfortunately in most of the few cases I've experienced, it's meant the tool was sufficiently crap to not do the job very well at all leading to the nashing of teeth. The Texas drill was the exception in that it did perform perfectly well and it couldn't be blamed for me abusing it to death. Cheers Tim |
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, robgraham wrote: I'm long past my house renovation days - it was still in the 'hammer and chisel era', relative to the availability of power tools now - but there is an argument that applies across the board that says it is better value to buy at low cost to find the uses of an iteml and replace with good quality later. And extending that further, some items are better value at the lower end of the market - my chop saw from Aldi/Lidls has had almost 3 years of continuous use for constructional work and I wouldn't hesitate to go back and get another at £25, rather than a named one at anything up to £200. I've done this in the past - buy a cheap version of a power tool to see how much use it gets and then replace it with a better one. But these days there's less difference between decent cheapies - like those sold by Lidl - and the better makes. Certainly not the same as changing my basic B&D jigsaw for a pendulum Bosch one. -- *I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message et... Tim S wrote: I remember sinking a backbox with my father. A double in the side of a chimney breast, with a club hammer and chisel and a power drill. Took a day (HARD bricks). I'll be upset if I can't manage at least 10-15 in a day with an SDS and sinking cutter, though that remains to be tried! I can do one in about 5 - 10 mins with ordinary chisels in the SDS... If the wall is hard then I usually use a 20mm flat chisel to cut round the periphery, and then a 40m flat one to chop out the waste working first from the middle toward the ends, before levelling the middle bit. (I have found its quite easy to develop a technique for planing down the back of the chase with the wider chisel - allowing it to skip across the surface removing a shaving of brick, rather than cutting deep. Its a lot easier if you drill the corners first and a couple of holes in the center so you know when its level. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:59:42 +0000, Tim S wrote:
coughed up some electrons that declared: On 16 Nov, Tim S wrote: I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? I've still got my father's rawlplug jumpimg tool for No. 8 screws. Took some considerable time (½hour?) per hole in the brick the house was constructed with. More like 2 seconds with my SDS. I remember those I think - aren't they like a drift or a round chisel, with a cross cut shank, and banged into the wall to make the hole? Star drill. http://www.answers.com/topic/star-dr...gn-engineering I still have one bought for my first home and used it a couple of times in the last few years to put a bigger than 15mm hole in a brick wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? |
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Alang coughed up some electrons that declared:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:59:42 +0000, Tim S wrote: coughed up some electrons that declared: On 16 Nov, Tim S wrote: I remember the old days when my father would curse, and get the hammer and chisel out and spend 2 days doing something like this that I can sort in less than an hour with the right equipment How did people survive? I've still got my father's rawlplug jumpimg tool for No. 8 screws. Took some considerable time (½hour?) per hole in the brick the house was constructed with. More like 2 seconds with my SDS. I remember those I think - aren't they like a drift or a round chisel, with a cross cut shank, and banged into the wall to make the hole? Star drill. http://www.answers.com/topic/star-dr...gn-engineering That's the thing. I still have one bought for my first home and used it a couple of times in the last few years to put a bigger than 15mm hole in a brick wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? A perfectly good point |
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wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? You may find other occasions to use it if it were easier and quicker though ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I can do one in about 5 - 10 mins with ordinary chisels in the SDS... If the wall is hard then I usually use a 20mm flat chisel to cut round the periphery, and then a 40m flat one to chop out the waste working first from the middle toward the ends, before levelling the middle bit. (I have found its quite easy to develop a technique for planing down the back of the chase with the wider chisel - allowing it to skip across the surface removing a shaving of brick, rather than cutting deep. Its a lot easier if you drill the corners first and a couple of holes in the center so you know when its level. I find if you sink the periphery cut to the same depth on the chisel then you have an all around depth indicated. Pencil line or bit of tape on the chisel shank can help for occasions where the depth is not equal to some easily identifiable point on the chisel (like the end of the flat section etc) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:23:49 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: Alang wrote: wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? You may find other occasions to use it if it were easier and quicker though ;-) The only time I would have used a SDS hammer drill was when I took our back wall down to get the car in. I still haven't trimmed the bricks off at one side. I have a B&D bought in 1974 with a circular saw attachment and a B&D BD154R bought some time in the 80s. Does almost everything I need. The only things I never use are an arc welder bought for one job in 1990 and a router I bought a few years ago. Again for one job and never used again. For DIY I have a good selection of hand tools and all the time in the world. |
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Alang coughed up some electrons that declared:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:23:49 +0000, John Rumm wrote: Alang wrote: wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? You may find other occasions to use it if it were easier and quicker though ;-) The only time I would have used a SDS hammer drill was when I took our back wall down to get the car in. I still haven't trimmed the bricks off at one side. Heh. All those 'tuits ;-o For my project, my pair of SDS drills (nice Hitachi 2kg and a rough but dirt cheap 8kg ALDI) are going to see: Much tile removal, Back box sinking (loads) Finishing chases Heavy drilling little bit of core drilling random small scale concrete breaking That's the dead-certain list. I expect I'll find a few more uses... I have a B&D bought in 1974 with a circular saw attachment and a B&D BD154R bought some time in the 80s. Does almost everything I need. The only things I never use are an arc welder bought for one job in 1990 and a router I bought a few years ago. Again for one job and never used again. For DIY I have a good selection of hand tools and all the time in the world. I agree - it's in the time. I have until next September to gut and redo the ground floor of a bungalow, or I'm dead ;- I'll also be doing it full time without monetary employment from next February so time really does equate to money. Anything which costs 100-200 quid and turns 20 days of work into a week has more than paid for itself. Cheers Tim |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:35:48 +0000, Tim S wrote:
Alang coughed up some electrons that declared: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:23:49 +0000, John Rumm wrote: Alang wrote: wall. Took me about 30 minutes with a 2lb hammer to go through two bricks. Not easy but did I need to buy a special drill for something I would only do once a decade? You may find other occasions to use it if it were easier and quicker though ;-) The only time I would have used a SDS hammer drill was when I took our back wall down to get the car in. I still haven't trimmed the bricks off at one side. Heh. All those 'tuits ;-o Just mostly given up. Gets done when have time. Two outside doors and two internal doors to strip and repaint next spring For my project, my pair of SDS drills (nice Hitachi 2kg and a rough but dirt cheap 8kg ALDI) are going to see: Much tile removal, Back box sinking (loads) Finishing chases Heavy drilling little bit of core drilling random small scale concrete breaking I do very little of that now That's the dead-certain list. I expect I'll find a few more uses... I have a B&D bought in 1974 with a circular saw attachment and a B&D BD154R bought some time in the 80s. Does almost everything I need. The only things I never use are an arc welder bought for one job in 1990 and a router I bought a few years ago. Again for one job and never used again. For DIY I have a good selection of hand tools and all the time in the world. I agree - it's in the time. I have until next September to gut and redo the ground floor of a bungalow, or I'm dead ;- I'll also be doing it full time without monetary employment from next February so time really does equate to money. Anything which costs 100-200 quid and turns 20 days of work into a week has more than paid for itself. Yebbut I'm semi retired. If I drop dead first it wouldn't matter if the doors got painted or not |
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Install basement dehumidifier? (power tools, tools, damp air) | Woodworking | |||
TOOLS! Great Holiday Gifts, selling a shop full of tools (AUBURN, WA pickup only): | Woodworking |