I'm about to get a new free-standing range cooker delivered, that's going in
place of the existing hob / oven combination. I would like to have it
removable from its space. Are flexible rubber gas supply pipes with a
detachable bayonet fitting still ok for this sort of thing ? If so, I will
insist that the gas-fitter puts one on, as I seem to recall that in the
past, they were frowned on a bit by the 'pros', although I did have that
arrangement on a cooker at a previous house, and it never caused any
problems over a number of years' service.

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
I'm about to get a new free-standing range cooker delivered, that's going in
place of the existing hob / oven combination. I would like to have it
removable from its space. Are flexible rubber gas supply pipes with a
detachable bayonet fitting still ok for this sort of thing ? If so, I will
insist that the gas-fitter puts one on, as I seem to recall that in the
past, they were frowned on a bit by the 'pros', although I did have that
arrangement on a cooker at a previous house, and it never caused any
problems over a number of years' service.

as far as I am aware flexi hoses are still commonly used for
free-standing cooker. Its built in hobs that need rigid piping. Make
sure your fitter fits the anti tilt device on the cooker as well.

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John.

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:37:20 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

as far as I am aware flexi hoses are still commonly used for
free-standing cooker. Its built in hobs that need rigid piping. Make
sure your fitter fits the anti tilt device on the cooker as well.

Or a chain: an anti-tilt bracket on a range is particularly ridiculous
since you'd have to be built like a sumo wrestler to tilt it over whereas
there's still a danger of straining the hose by moving the cooker to get
access behind it.


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- until I realised what was telling me that

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:37:20 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

as far as I am aware flexi hoses are still commonly used for
free-standing cooker. Its built in hobs that need rigid piping. Make
sure your fitter fits the anti tilt device on the cooker as well.

Or a chain: an anti-tilt bracket on a range is particularly ridiculous
since you'd have to be built like a sumo wrestler to tilt it over whereas
there's still a danger of straining the hose by moving the cooker to get
access behind it.


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John Stumbles


Good point. Now I come to think back, the flexi-hose installation that I had
some years back, had a chain on a hook in the wall.

Arfa

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:37:20 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

as far as I am aware flexi hoses are still commonly used for
free-standing cooker. Its built in hobs that need rigid piping. Make
sure your fitter fits the anti tilt device on the cooker as well.

Or a chain: an anti-tilt bracket on a range is particularly ridiculous
since you'd have to be built like a sumo wrestler to tilt it over whereas
there's still a danger of straining the hose by moving the cooker to get
access behind it.


--
John Stumbles


Good point. Now I come to think back, the flexi-hose installation that I
had some years back, had a chain on a hook in the wall.


Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti tilt so
that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff over the
front edge. The chain ensures that, when the cooker is pulled out to clean
behind (or whatever) no strain is taken by the hose as the chain tightens
first. I think a gas installer would only worry about the second as it's
part of the gas safety.


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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:44:34 +0100, Bob Mannix wrote:

Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti
tilt so that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff
over the front edge.

And with lightweight modern cookers with big heavy glass oven doors you
don't need to put much weight on the door to tip it either. Just resting
the weight of your arm on it can do it. BTDTGTTS, fortunately whilst
installing.

I think a gas installer would only worry about the second as it's
part of the gas safety.

Second being the safety chain first anti tilt device. Any "competent"
installer would fit and test both. See other thread "CORGI engineer
required to install new radiator?"

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Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:44:34 +0100, Bob Mannix wrote:

Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti
tilt so that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff
over the front edge. The chain ensures that, when the cooker is pulled
out to clean behind (or whatever) no strain is taken by the hose as the
chain tightens first. I think a gas installer would only worry about the
second as it's part of the gas safety.

The chain or anti-tilt device is to protect the hose, not the user from
spilling pans of chip fat. (Otherwise we'd have the same regs for electric
cookers.)


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John Stumbles

Women always generalise

John Stumbles wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:44:34 +0100, Bob Mannix wrote:

Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti
tilt so that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff
over the front edge. The chain ensures that, when the cooker is pulled
out to clean behind (or whatever) no strain is taken by the hose as the
chain tightens first. I think a gas installer would only worry about the
second as it's part of the gas safety.

The chain or anti-tilt device is to protect the hose, not the user from
spilling pans of chip fat. (Otherwise we'd have the same regs for electric
cookers.)

I have electric ones with the same anti tilt mechanisms...

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John.

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John Stumbles wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:44:34 +0100, Bob Mannix wrote:

Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti
tilt so that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff
over the front edge. The chain ensures that, when the cooker is pulled
out to clean behind (or whatever) no strain is taken by the hose as the
chain tightens first. I think a gas installer would only worry about the
second as it's part of the gas safety.

The chain or anti-tilt device is to protect the hose, not the user from
spilling pans of chip fat. (Otherwise we'd have the same regs for
electric
cookers.)

I have electric ones with the same anti tilt mechanisms...

Indeed, and how does the anti tilt device protect the hose if you pull it
forward.? The only reliable way is to have a chain next to the hose but
shorter than it!


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John.

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Bob Mannix wrote:
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John Stumbles wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:44:34 +0100, Bob Mannix wrote:

Well there are two functions. The cooker requires [may need] an anti
tilt so that leaning on the oven door doesn't tip pans of boiling stuff
over the front edge. The chain ensures that, when the cooker is pulled
out to clean behind (or whatever) no strain is taken by the hose as the
chain tightens first. I think a gas installer would only worry about the
second as it's part of the gas safety.
The chain or anti-tilt device is to protect the hose, not the user from
spilling pans of chip fat. (Otherwise we'd have the same regs for
electric
cookers.)
I have electric ones with the same anti tilt mechanisms...

Indeed, and how does the anti tilt device protect the hose if you pull it
forward.? The only reliable way is to have a chain next to the hose but
shorter than it!

Regs aside, I can see real practical and worthwhile reasons for having
anti-tilt - but less so for protection of the hose. ISTM that the danger
from tipping some free standing cookers is quite significant -
especially those with bottom hinged oven doors. I would expect many
people never bother to pull the cooker out however.

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John.

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