It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

cheers

"freepo" wrote in message
...
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

cheers

www.diywetroom.com has some info.
as do http://www.impey-uk.com

I decided that a nice 900 x 1200 low access tray was the easiest, only 35 mm
high.
You could finish the floor flush and then have level access to the tray.

it was one of these
http://www.impey-uk.com/product-list...tray-range.php and
very nice.

On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. *Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. *The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

cheers

Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

In article ,
Phil writes:
On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. *Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. *The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

Might want to consider how wet you want the room to be.
If the whole floor is generally wet, and it's a frequently
used WC, you'll find walking through wet to get to the WC
and then leaving the room results in mud trails around the
house.

--
Andrew

freepo wrote:
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?


Yes, and have sufficient fall to drain it from that position
How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

Ok one solution is to build the floor UP and use the existing drainage:
otherwise you are in for some substantial groundwork.

The DPM is no big deal. Lay a new one under the new lowered part of the
floor where the drain is, and use foam or something to seal pipes
punching through it.

DPMs are not there to make things utterly watertight, just to slow the
rate of moisture ingress to the level where normal internal heating and
ventilation can reduce humidity below teh fungal growth pont.

I.e. the name of the game is no mould on walls and no rotten wood or plaster

In essence to do what you want, you ne to jack hammer up a large section
of the floor, and install a shower or room drain with a trap and a
decent fall to the drainage system.

Then you make good teh ground with gravel/sand and tack down new DPM
around the drain, and if fussy, use foam to make a good seal. Then cast
a concrete subfloor and put foam insulation on that and screed.

I have to say if I were to do this to an old solid floor property I
would strip the room and remove ALL the floor down to soil, and remove
that as well, and start again with new pipework.

It is only a day or two to do the removal, although its very messy
barrowing rubble out of the house.

BUT once you have done it, its very easy to get the pipework right, and
lay a new concrete subfloor, then DPM that, tanking upwards to above the
DPC layers and maybe higher yet. Then insulate and screed and form your
slopes in that.









cheers

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Phil writes:
On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?
Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

Might want to consider how wet you want the room to be.
If the whole floor is generally wet, and it's a frequently
used WC, you'll find walking through wet to get to the WC
and then leaving the room results in mud trails around the
house.

You need good heating insulation and ventilation in a wet room.

And some kind of shower screen between the shower and the bog/basin.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
freepo wrote:
It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?


Yes, and have sufficient fall to drain it from that position
How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

Ok one solution is to build the floor UP and use the existing drainage:
otherwise you are in for some substantial groundwork.

I did that last week..
I was using a pumped waste so I only needed 35 mm of clearance for the trap
so I put in two sheets of 18 mm WBP.
Made a small ramp to the rest of the room and it looks good.
I could then have tanked the WBP and tiled it but I decide a tray was much
easier and if he ever needed a wheel chair being on his own at home wasn't
going to be a good thing so it didn't matter.


The DPM is no big deal. Lay a new one under the new lowered part of the
floor where the drain is, and use foam or something to seal pipes punching
through it.

The screed is probably deep enough without having to touch the DPM/sub floor
if a pump is used.


The only problem with a pump (apart from power cuts) is the noise, you get
glugging from the waste, there are systems that "avoid" this but they cost
more cash, it didn't matter last week as the user is deaf anyway.

On May 7, 9:07*am, Phil wrote:
On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:





It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. *Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. *The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

cheers

Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

On 7 May, 12:10, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On May 7, 9:07 am, Phil wrote:



On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:

It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.

Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.

There is also a sink in the other corner.

But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.

Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?

How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?

cheers

Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Exactly, where do you get dry ?
Simon.

Man at B&Q wrote:
On May 7, 9:07 am, Phil wrote:
On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:





It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.
Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.
There is also a sink in the other corner.
But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.
Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?
How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?
cheers
Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?


Its very good for hosing down muddy dogs.

It saves tripping over the shower tray edge as well.

And sometimes there's room for two (or more) in the shower.

In our case,it means that the place the cat trays are, gets a good
sluice when they miss.


MBQ

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

On 7 May, 19:53, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Certainly isn't a 'fashion trend' in this house that has had one for
25 years - or perhaps for once we are fashion leaders; interesting
thought.

I think the answer to the question of 'why' is just how many visitors
we've had who've said 'what a great shower'. If you like damp and
soggy shower curtains or screens/shower doors that don't shut properly
and are damp and cold, then carry on, but having a shower in a space
where nothing constricts you is just so much more comfortable.

On 7 Mai, 20:53, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room... we have one
installed by the previous owner of the place and hate it - the first
thing we did was putting up a shower curtain to avoid the WC getting
hosed down during every shower, including the paper roll on the far
wall behind the WC, away from the shower... never again!

Ranger

On May 8, 10:21*am, Ragnar Bartuska wrote:
On 7 Mai, 20:53, Mike Dodd wrote:

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room... we have one
installed by the previous owner of the place and hate it - the first
thing we did was putting up a shower curtain to avoid the WC getting
hosed down during every shower, including the paper roll on the far
wall behind the WC, away from the shower... never again!

Ranger

From what I've seen on "makeover shows" I suspect there are quite a
few like this.

MBQ

On May 7, 7:53*pm, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Why do you need "freedon between facilities"? You can always **** in
the shower instead of showering in the ****pot.

I don't understand the comment about not worrying about wet feet
marks. The whole bloody floor is wet!There has to be aboundary between
wet & dry somewhere, all you do is move the problem further from the
shower.

MBQ

On May 7, 7:24*pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On May 7, 9:07 am, Phil wrote:
On 6 May, 18:21, freepo wrote:

It's a downstairs (ground floor) loo with a concrete floor, tiled
walls. *Currently there is a loo in the corner, which may or may not
be moved depending on the design of the wet room and whether it is
necessary or not. *The loo has an outflow which goes vertically down
into the concrete.
Actually I just remembered I have bought a new bathroom suite and the
new loo has a horizontal outflow, I had decided to move the loo and
have the outflow going out through the wall.
There is also a sink in the other corner.
But anyhoo, the point is, how do you design and construct a wetroom
from this starting position because the drain for the wetroom will
have to be embedded into the concrete floor.
Same goes if I have a posh stone shower tray installed, I don't want a
shower tray on legs, I want a shower tray that sits directly onto the
concrete floor. So I have to dig out a channel into the concrete?
How do you do this without damaging the DPM?
And what do you do if you do damage the DPM?
cheers
Isn't the whole point of a wetroom that you don't have a tray?

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

Its very good for hosing down muddy dogs.

It saves tripping over the shower tray edge as well.

And sometimes there's room for two (or more) in the shower.

In our case,it means that the place the cat trays are, gets a good
sluice when they miss.

I (just about) take the point about washing the dogs but hosing down
the cat's litter tray whilst you have a shower? No thanks!

MBQ

On May 7, 10:50*pm, robgraham wrote:
On 7 May, 19:53, Mike Dodd wrote:

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Certainly isn't a 'fashion trend' in this house that has had one for
25 years - or perhaps for once we are fashion leaders; interesting
thought.

I think the answer to the question of 'why' is just how many visitors
we've had who've said 'what a great shower'. *If you like damp and
soggy shower curtains or screens/shower doors that don't shut properly

I have a great shower (pumped thermostatic mixer) and don't suffer any
of the alleged propblems of a non wet room.

and are damp and cold, then carry on, but having a shower in

Why would a wet room be any less damp & cold, given comparable levels
of heating & ventilation?

a space
where nothing constricts you is just so much more comfortable.

Depends what you do in the shower, I suppose.

MBQ

On 2008-05-08 10:41:49 +0100, "Man at B&Q" said:

On May 8, 10:21*am, Ragnar Bartuska wrote:
On 7 Mai, 20:53, Mike Dodd wrote:

What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room... we have one
installed by the previous owner of the place and hate it - the first
thing we did was putting up a shower curtain to avoid the WC getting
hosed down during every shower, including the paper roll on the far
wall behind the WC, away from the shower... never again!

Ranger

From what I've seen on "makeover shows" I suspect there are quite a
few like this.

MBQ

If you use makeover shows as an indication of anything, you will be
disappointed in one direction or another. It's perfectly possible to
design a wet room in a small space and have it work effectively. The
appropriate fitments and design are required - nothing more.

On 2008-05-08 10:42:21 +0100, "Man at B&Q" said:

On May 7, 7:53*pm, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Why do you need "freedon between facilities"? You can always **** in
the shower instead of showering in the ****pot.

I don't understand the comment about not worrying about wet feet
marks. The whole bloody floor is wet!There has to be aboundary between
wet & dry somewhere, all you do is move the problem further from the
shower.

MBQ

That is achieved by the slope in the floor and appropriate drain position.

In virtually every other country, bathroom construction easily permits
wet room use because it is taken into account in the building
construction. There can be a bath in there (or not) and a shower
(or not).

The shower cubicle and curtain idea has only arisen in the UK because
of bad design and the revolting habit that many people have of having
carpet in the bathroom. There is only one thing worse than that -
carpet in the kitchen.

Andy Hall wrote:

It's perfectly possible to design a wet room in a small space and have it
work effectively.

The hell it is. They're a really stupid idea, possibly designed for/by
those who miss the days of the communal cold shower at public school.
Every one I have used results in towels being unusable because they are
"pre-damped" by humidity and drying one's feet turns into some bloody
silly hopping around the room game.

A far better solution is to have a large glass shower screen and a
shallow tray installed at floor level. If an architect proposes a wet
room to me, I reach for a pen and start drafting a letter of dismissal.

On 8 May, 23:01, Andy Hall wrote:

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room...

It's perfectly possible to
design a wet room in a small space and have it work effectively. The
appropriate fitments and design are required - nothing more.

Is there a consensus on minimum dimensions?

One of my medium-term plans is to shift the downstairs loo
into the space under the stairs, and I quite fancy getting a
shower in there too. However, I reckon 1300 x 800 would be
unusably tight.

John

On 2008-05-08 23:26:52 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

Andy Hall wrote:

It's perfectly possible to design a wet room in a small space and have it
work effectively.

The hell it is. They're a really stupid idea, possibly designed for/by
those who miss the days of the communal cold shower at public school.
Every one I have used results in towels being unusable because they are
"pre-damped" by humidity and drying one's feet turns into some bloody
silly hopping around the room game.

Then it wasn't designed with proper ventilation, heating and drainage.



A far better solution is to have a large glass shower screen and a
shallow tray installed at floor level. If an architect proposes a wet
room to me, I reach for a pen and start drafting a letter of dismissal.

I imagine that they would feel relieved.

Andy Hall wrote:

On 2008-05-08 23:26:52 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

Andy Hall wrote:

It's perfectly possible to design a wet room in a small space and have it
work effectively.

The hell it is. They're a really stupid idea, possibly designed for/by
those who miss the days of the communal cold shower at public school.
Every one I have used results in towels being unusable because they are
"pre-damped" by humidity and drying one's feet turns into some bloody
silly hopping around the room game.

Then it wasn't designed with proper ventilation, heating and drainage.

That's every single one I have tried. So "they" not "it" and you're
still wrong, They're just a **** idea.

A far better solution is to have a large glass shower screen and a
shallow tray installed at floor level. If an architect proposes a wet
room to me, I reach for a pen and start drafting a letter of dismissal.

I imagine that they would feel relieved.

Imagine what you like.

wrote in message
...
On 8 May, 23:01, Andy Hall wrote:

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room...

It's perfectly possible to
design a wet room in a small space and have it work effectively. The
appropriate fitments and design are required - nothing more.

Is there a consensus on minimum dimensions?

One of my medium-term plans is to shift the downstairs loo
into the space under the stairs, and I quite fancy getting a
shower in there too. However, I reckon 1300 x 800 would be
unusably tight.

http://www.impey-uk.com/product-deta...et-cubicle.php

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Andy Hall wrote:

On 2008-05-08 23:26:52 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

Andy Hall wrote:

It's perfectly possible to design a wet room in a small space and have
it
work effectively.

The hell it is. They're a really stupid idea, possibly designed for/by
those who miss the days of the communal cold shower at public school.
Every one I have used results in towels being unusable because they are
"pre-damped" by humidity and drying one's feet turns into some bloody
silly hopping around the room game.

Then it wasn't designed with proper ventilation, heating and drainage.

That's every single one I have tried. So "they" not "it" and you're
still wrong, They're just a **** idea.


There is no difference between a wet room and a shower.. if it isn't big
enough to keep the dry area dry without a screen you need a screen.
You can't build a wet room in a modern house without a screen unless you
lose the master bedroom IMO.
You obviously don't live in a mansion like Andy does and haven't used a
proper wet room.


I have once, in a hotel at CeBit, it was 16 feet square approx, that was OK
but it was £400 a night and the only room I could get.

On May 9, 1:14*am, wrote:
On 8 May, 23:01, Andy Hall wrote:

Entirely depends on the size and layout of the room...
*It's perfectly possible to
design a wet room in a small space and have it work effectively. The
appropriate fitments and design are required - nothing more.

Is there a consensus on minimum dimensions?

One of my medium-term plans is to shift the downstairs loo
into the space under the stairs, and I quite fancy getting a
shower in there too. However, I reckon 1300 x 800 would be
unusably tight.

John

As a wet room that a feckin stupid idea, and just goes to illustrate
my point.

MBQ

On May 8, 11:07*pm, Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-05-08 10:42:21 +0100, "Man at B&Q" said:





On May 7, 7:53*pm, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Why do you need "freedon between facilities"? You can always **** in
the shower instead of showering in the ****pot.

I don't understand the comment about not worrying about wet feet
marks. The whole bloody floor is wet!There has to be aboundary between
wet & dry somewhere, all you do is move the problem further from the
shower.

MBQ

That is achieved by the slope in the floor and appropriate drain position.

The floor is still wet, even if most of the standing water has drained
away.

The shower cubicle and curtain idea has only arisen in the UK

If that's true then it's been well copied around the world.

MBQ

dennis@home wrote:

You obviously don't live in a mansion like Andy does and haven't used a
proper wet room.

You're obviously blowing it out of your behind. I've tried wet rooms in
several places not one of them has been satisfactory, they're simply a
really stupid idea.

Huge wrote:

On 2008-05-09, Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-05-08 23:26:52 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

Andy Hall wrote:

It's perfectly possible to design a wet room in a small space and have
it work effectively.

The hell it is. They're a really stupid idea, possibly designed for/by
those who miss the days of the communal cold shower at public school.
Every one I have used results in towels being unusable because they are
"pre-damped" by humidity and drying one's feet turns into some bloody
silly hopping around the room game.

Then it wasn't designed with proper ventilation, heating and drainage.

In which case I've never seen a properly designed one. Wet rooms are a
stupid idea in UK homes in our climate. If you can have a huge one with
nothing in it other than a shower (IOW, an enormous walk-in shower) in a
warm climate (or put up with the costs of heating it) then they may be
tolerable. But I'd as soon not have damp towels, soggy loo roll and wet
footprints in the bedroom, which have been the inevitable consequences of
every wet room I've ever used.

Same here.

Even the ones in the Villa d'Este suck. IMO it's simply wannabee middle
class crap, and I prefer a decent shower with a screen and a tray level
with the floor so that there's no lip to stub one's toe on.

On 2008-05-09 11:00:32 +0100, "Man at B&Q" said:

That is achieved by the slope in the floor and appropriate drain position.


The floor is still wet, even if most of the standing water has drained
away.

Correct choice of ventilation, heating and tiles ensures that this is a
non-issue.




The shower cubicle and curtain idea has only arisen in the UK

If that's true then it's been well copied around the world.



Really?

I don't think I've been in a place with a shower curtain outside the UK
for a good five years. Glass screens, possibly, but not curtains.

Shower curtains are revolting things - almost as revolting as bathroom carpet.

"Man at B&Q" wrote in message
...
On May 8, 11:07 pm, Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-05-08 10:42:21 +0100, "Man at B&Q" said:





On May 7, 7:53 pm, Mike Dodd wrote:
What is the point of a wet room? Other than following the latest
fashion trend?

MBQ

Try one.

I have to admit to sharing your skepticism until we spent a night in a
hotel with a wet-room. Absolutely fantastic. Showering without a
shower
screen or curtain, complete freedom between facilities, not worrying
about wet feet marks, etc. The whole experience was quite liberating.

Why do you need "freedon between facilities"? You can always **** in
the shower instead of showering in the ****pot.

I don't understand the comment about not worrying about wet feet
marks. The whole bloody floor is wet!There has to be aboundary between
wet & dry somewhere, all you do is move the problem further from the
shower.

MBQ

That is achieved by the slope in the floor and appropriate drain
position.

The floor is still wet, even if most of the standing water has drained
away.

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

If the ones you have seen don't have heating to warm and dry the floor they
are not wet rooms but a bodge.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
dennis@home wrote:

You obviously don't live in a mansion like Andy does and haven't used a
proper wet room.

You're obviously blowing it out of your behind. I've tried wet rooms in
several places not one of them has been satisfactory, they're simply a
really stupid idea.

Or badly implemented.

dennis@home wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
dennis@home wrote:

You obviously don't live in a mansion like Andy does and haven't used a
proper wet room.

You're obviously blowing it out of your behind. I've tried wet rooms in
several places not one of them has been satisfactory, they're simply a
really stupid idea.

Or badly implemented.

There's no "or" about it. They are all badly implemented, no matter how
much they cost, no matter where they installed or by whom no matter what
is lavished on underfloor heating, or on ventilation or indeed fittings
and fixtures. Wet rooms mean damp towels, condensation on fittings and
damp toilet tissue. It's an inevitable consequence of how they are
constructed. And before you start of puffing yourself up about hotel
prices, £400 is chump change for a hotel room compared to some of the
places where I have tried and been disappointed with, wet rooms.

dennis@home wrote:

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

To turn the room into a Turkish bath if anyone uses the shower.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
dennis@home wrote:

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

To turn the room into a Turkish bath if anyone uses the shower.

Turn the fan on!

On 2008-05-09 18:05:48 +0100, Huge said:

On 2008-05-09, Andy Hall wrote:

I don't think I've been in a place with a shower curtain outside the UK
for a good five years.

Don't go to the USA much?

I try to minimise it.

Where it happens, I remov the shower curtain if it exists completely.

On 2008-05-09 19:30:58 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

dennis@home wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
dennis@home wrote:

You obviously don't live in a mansion like Andy does and haven't used a
proper wet room.

You're obviously blowing it out of your behind. I've tried wet rooms in
several places not one of them has been satisfactory, they're simply a
really stupid idea.

Or badly implemented.

There's no "or" about it. They are all badly implemented, no matter how
much they cost, no matter where they installed or by whom no matter what
is lavished on underfloor heating, or on ventilation or indeed fittings
and fixtures. Wet rooms mean damp towels, condensation on fittings and
damp toilet tissue. It's an inevitable consequence of how they are
constructed. And before you start of puffing yourself up about hotel
prices, £400 is chump change for a hotel room compared to some of the
places where I have tried and been disappointed with, wet rooms.

Then you are not being discerning enough. It isnt a question of price.

I have never had a problem and I am extremely picky about details like this.

Three things are certain. If a hotel has a shower curtain in the
bathroom it is removed. I have not removed many in the last few
years. Secondly, if it has an eco notice about putting the towels on
the rack vs. the bath on the pretence of saving detergent, then *all*
towels go into the bath, If it has a card device to control
electricity to room lighting, a business card goes into the reader and
remains there for the whole visit, the air conditioner is turned on
full and windows are opened.

On 2008-05-09 19:32:20 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

dennis@home wrote:

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

To turn the room into a Turkish bath if anyone uses the shower.

There isn't enough water around to do that.

dennis@home wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
dennis@home wrote:

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

To turn the room into a Turkish bath if anyone uses the shower.

Turn the fan on!

You and Andy keep repeating this ******** as if it were fact and as if
it made a difference. All fans active, in every single wet room I have
tried. The only "wet rooms" that work aren't in fact wet rooms, they are
rooms with a large walk-in shower enclosure without doors. Those designs
I like whether they are helical walls or large glass screens.

This sort of design works:

http://www.homesupply.co.uk/prodimag...hower-wall.jpg.
jpg

Wet rooms don't.

Andy Hall wrote:

On 2008-05-09 19:32:20 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

dennis@home wrote:

Under floor heating.. why do you think wet rooms have heating under the
tiles?

To turn the room into a Turkish bath if anyone uses the shower.

There isn't enough water around to do that.


I'm coming to the conclusion that you don't even know what a wet room
is.