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Alas! the BSI have caught up with me.
Friends.
The BSI have rumbled my bid to democratise the Gas Fitting Standards. I don't currently have enough personal resources (time and karma) to fight this one. However my basic idea is that by making available the standards widely available no dishonest person can use ignorance of the standards to trade dishonestly. A tactic that is favoured by some of the larger companies as as well as the shabby end of the independent sector. Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote:
Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. NT |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote:
On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. I would replace the page with one that lists what standards are relevant, and the has links to the BSI with words to the effect you can buy them here. That way the folks following the links littering usenet for the next few years won't get a dead end, and the BSI get a warm fuzzy feeling you are driving business to them. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:20:46 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Ed Sirett wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. I would replace the page with one that lists what standards are relevant, and the has links to the BSI with words to the effect you can buy them here. That way the folks following the links littering usenet for the next few years won't get a dead end, and the BSI get a warm fuzzy feeling you are driving business to them. Ah can't google be persuaded to host it on their book free for all? or as google documents? -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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Ed Sirett wrote:
The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Could be less using a .torrent and no need to host the files directly. -- djc |
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On 25/07/2007 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote:
Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. Waybackmachine to the rescue, ROT13 just in case Mr BSI is listening uggc://jro.nepuvir.bet/jro/20070220060717ea_1/jjj.znxrjevgr.qrzba.pb.hx/TnfSvggvatFgnaqneqf/ |
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On 26/07/2007 00:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Waybackmachine to the rescue Sorry, I spoke too soon, it only has the index, not the documents :-( |
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Mogga wrote:
Ah can't google be persuaded to host it on their book free for all? or as google documents? These docs are PDFs to start with - so not directly. They could be converted into .doc files and then uploaded. But it is still traceable to who shared them. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Jul 26, 2:50 am, John Rumm wrote:
Mogga wrote: Ah can't google be persuaded to host it on their book free for all? or as google documents? These docs are PDFs to start with - so not directly. Hi Google Base will accept PDF's http://base.google.com/support/bin/a...y?answer=40029 Regards, Steve |
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Ed Sirett wrote:
Friends. The BSI have rumbled my bid to democratise the Gas Fitting Standards. I don't currently have enough personal resources (time and karma) to fight this one. However my basic idea is that by making available the standards widely available no dishonest person can use ignorance of the standards to trade dishonestly. A tactic that is favoured by some of the larger companies as as well as the shabby end of the independent sector. Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. Why not set up a website using dummy information on one of the free sites like http://www.freehostyou.com/ |
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NickNoxx wrote:
Ed Sirett wrote: Friends. The BSI have rumbled my bid to democratise the Gas Fitting Standards. I don't currently have enough personal resources (time and karma) to fight this one. However my basic idea is that by making available the standards widely available no dishonest person can use ignorance of the standards to trade dishonestly. A tactic that is favoured by some of the larger companies as as well as the shabby end of the independent sector. Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. Why not set up a website using dummy information on one of the free sites like http://www.freehostyou.com/ I would think a .torrent is probably the easiest way to keep something in the public domain regardless of who objects. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:01:32 +0000, djc wrote:
Ed Sirett wrote: The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Could be less using a .torrent and no need to host the files directly. Enough (of us) would have to seed the torrent permanently. The bandwidth is not an issue I was just saying it's not a big deal. So who wants to carry on the tradition of public service? -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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On Jul 25, 6:20 pm, Ed Sirett wrote:
Friends. The BSI have rumbled my bid to democratise the Gas Fitting Standards. I don't currently have enough personal resources (time and karma) to fight this one. However my basic idea is that by making available the standards widely available no dishonest person can use ignorance of the standards to trade dishonestly. A tactic that is favoured by some of the larger companies as as well as the shabby end of the independent sector. Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is athttp://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQhttp://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQhttp://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html How much for the DVD? |
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On 25 Jul, 19:43, Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. You are optimisitic. NT |
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Stuart Noble wrote:
I would think a .torrent is probably the easiest way to keep something in the public domain regardless of who objects. Looks like there's one here http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3754345 |
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Stuart Noble wrote: wrote: Stuart Noble wrote: I would think a .torrent is probably the easiest way to keep something in the public domain regardless of who objects. Looks like there's one here http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3754345 My, what a coincidence :-) A bloke in a pointed hat once told me that torrents need support to stay live, but I don't know what he meant It means that enough people have to be seeding them, and it helps to go on seeding after they've finished downloading. At the moment the torrent is only showing 2 seeders: if both of those go offline then nobody can download it anymore. If half a dozen people download it and continue seeding it then there's more resilience. |
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Stuart Noble wrote: wrote: Stuart Noble wrote: I would think a .torrent is probably the easiest way to keep something in the public domain regardless of who objects. Looks like there's one here http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3754345 My, what a coincidence :-) A bloke in a pointed hat once told me that torrents need support to stay live, but I don't know what he meant It means that enough people have to be seeding them, and it helps to go on seeding after they've finished downloading. At the moment the torrent is only showing 2 seeders: if both of those go offline then nobody can download it anymore. If half a dozen people download it and continue seeding it then there's more resilience. So how many seeders will this group generate I wonder, given it's in a good cause? I guess you need to get hold of Azureus or similar if your hat isn't pointed? |
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In message , Stuart Noble
writes I guess you need to get hold of Azureus or similar if your hat isn't pointed? I prefer uTorrent. -- Chris French |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:51:39 -0700, meow2222 wrote:
On 25 Jul, 19:43, Ed Sirett wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. You are optimisitic. I've not heard anymore from them yet. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:25:30 -0700, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 25, 6:20 pm, Ed Sirett wrote: Friends. The BSI have rumbled my bid to democratise the Gas Fitting Standards. I don't currently have enough personal resources (time and karma) to fight this one. However my basic idea is that by making available the standards widely available no dishonest person can use ignorance of the standards to trade dishonestly. A tactic that is favoured by some of the larger companies as as well as the shabby end of the independent sector. Would someone like to host the standards for a while? My guess is that it will take some while perhaps a year or so before they are on to you and then you can delete them and so on. The amount of data is under 10Mb. The typical bandwidth is about 150 Mb /month. Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is athttp://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQhttp://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQhttp://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html How much for the DVD? Sorry I've lost the context to what you are driving at. I purchased the gas fitting BSI pdfs on ebay for a modest cost (tiny compared to the printed versions). It was never on a DVD. However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:57:16 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:51:39 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 19:43, Ed Sirett wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. You are optimisitic. I've not heard anymore from them yet. As a self-employed engineer, I'm always annoyed at the high prices of standards, especially when I can need dozens on any single job. What really winds me up though is that the standards are written by committees, which are generally formed from individuals sent free of charge by companies working in the area! Steve W |
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On 27 Jul, 14:06, chris French
wrote: In message , Stuart Noble writes I guess you need to get hold of Azureus or similar if your hat isn't pointed? I prefer uTorrent. I tried that and wouldnt recommend it. Makes a simple job time consuming / wasting. NT |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:01:53 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:
However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. And is there a torrent of that anywhere? ;-) -- John Stumbles Women always generalise |
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John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:01:53 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote: However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. And is there a torrent of that anywhere? ;-) I'd put a few copies on EBay. Might as well get some reward for the effort it must have taken. |
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:22:26 GMT, Stuart Noble
mused: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:01:53 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote: However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. And is there a torrent of that anywhere? ;-) I'd put a few copies on EBay. Might as well get some reward for the effort it must have taken. I wouldn't. I have about 6,000 manuals here for my trade. They will not be sold to anyone, they are mine for me, not for some clueless numpty to buy from eBay and claim to know as much as me. -- Regards, Stuart. |
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:05:06 +0100, Lurch wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:22:26 GMT, Stuart Noble mused: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:01:53 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote: However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. And is there a torrent of that anywhere? ;-) I'd put a few copies on EBay. Might as well get some reward for the effort it must have taken. I wouldn't. I have about 6,000 manuals here for my trade. They will not be sold to anyone, they are mine for me, not for some clueless numpty to buy from eBay and claim to know as much as me. I was the clueless numpty who bought the original DVDs. There are of some use. But the really old appliances are not covered. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:34:47 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett
mused: On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:05:06 +0100, Lurch wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:22:26 GMT, Stuart Noble mused: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:01:53 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote: However I do have a DVD of several hundred (mostly) boiler manuals. And is there a torrent of that anywhere? ;-) I'd put a few copies on EBay. Might as well get some reward for the effort it must have taken. I wouldn't. I have about 6,000 manuals here for my trade. They will not be sold to anyone, they are mine for me, not for some clueless numpty to buy from eBay and claim to know as much as me. I was the clueless numpty who bought the original DVDs. insert backpedalling There are of some use. But the really old appliances are not covered. That's why I never bother with any of these DVD's that say they have everythign you need to be great at everything. I hit a problem, I solve it, if it needs exotic manuals or software, i find them and add them to my own collection. It's fun. -- Regards, Stuart. |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:57:16 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:51:39 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 19:43, Ed Sirett wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:46:58 -0700, meow2222 wrote: On 25 Jul, 18:20, Ed Sirett wrote: Alas, I will be sending an email back to the BSI to say I have removed the Standards from my web site. That sounds like an admission, and if construed as such could do you no favours. 'I will not distribute said information' etc is non- admissive. IANAL though. I just want them off my back. They say remove from website so that should be the end of the matter. You are optimisitic. I've not heard anymore from them yet. As a self-employed engineer, I'm always annoyed at the high prices of standards, especially when I can need dozens on any single job. What really winds me up though is that the standards are written by committees, which are generally formed from individuals sent free of charge by companies working in the area! True, but that is only part of the picture. BSi standards are more often than not either ISO or CEN standards. I speak as one who represented BSi on CEN standards committees for about 10 years. BSi pay for travel and accommodation costs of representatives on these committees (and they are not a boondoggle); BSi are strict in determining what are appropriate costs - rightly in my opinion. If we want standards that are relevant and only necessary rather than being burdensome, then we need to have our interests strongly represented on CEN/ISO committees. It takes commitment by individuals over and above the time afforded by their employers in my experience. BSi also have the overhead of hosting committee meetings. Having said that, the costs of purchasing the Standards are high - particularly to one man bands or SMEs. |
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