On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:45:44 UTC, "George"
wrote:

It is indeed. Anybody who takes a stand, however small, against the
petty bureaucrats wins my vote.

So you dont mind someone plonking their car outside your driveway entrance
then MrHall?

Do you know the facts of this particular case?

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On 2007-01-16 23:49:40 +0000, "Andy Dingley "
said:


The Medway Handyman wrote:

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be -

Yes.

but I'm going to do it anyway.

Do you think they care? Do you think they notice?

Console yourself with the concept of "right livelihood" and the fact
that they're traffic wardens, whilst you aren't.

They often seem to be short people as well...




The person taking the money will have no idea what you are griping about and
all you will have done is made yourself look a bit stupid in front of
someone who isn't involved.



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Parking rules where I live are there to raise revenue, thats the reason.
Since you have no idea of the circumstances you can't really comment can
you - ****wit.

PLONK!

But will the no life muppets at my local parking office know that?

You didn't - that must make you a no-life muppet.

George wrote:
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On 2007-01-16 23:16:20 +0000, said:

The Medway Handyman wrote:


Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.

Nice advert, good to know what type of person we could be dealing with.
It is indeed. Anybody who takes a stand, however small, against the
petty bureaucrats wins my vote.



So you dont mind someone plonking their car outside your driveway entrance
then MrHall?


Noy if they don't mind me backing a digger into it, no..

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:00 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Hi All

Recently had a PCN issued by the local fascist parking dept, in the course
of my handyman endeavours.

Three 5 page letters & a formal complaint to the CEO later, they haven't
caved in and are insisting on the £30.

I assume you have checked all the normal issues that might make it invalid?
In particular there has been hundreds of thousnads issued in the last few
years that the courts have ruled to be illegal (date of issue).

Have a read of the pacrking tickets forum here http://forums.pepipoo.com/
if you havn't already.

Steve

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hi All

Recently had a PCN issued by the local fascist parking dept, in the
course of my handyman endeavours.

Three 5 page letters & a formal complaint to the CEO later, they
haven't caved in and are insisting on the £30.

I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p
coins, £5 in 10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't
refuse to accept.
Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.

I'm wondering though, does it have to be bagged like the bank or can I
jumble the whole lot up & make them count it?

The person you're going to make count it all - was it their fault you got a
ticket?

Si

I was with you up to this point. If it makes you happy to go and dump
a pile of coins on their desk fair enough. But to assume that the
ordinary folk, doing what they are paid (probably poorly) to do are
"low life muppets" is just plain insulting.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
But will the no life muppets at my local parking office know that?

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:
"The Medway Handyman"
I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p
coins, £5 in 10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't
refuse to accept.

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be

No.,

It IS.

And silly to boot.

- but I'm going to do it anyway.

I'm wondering though, does it have to be bagged like the bank or can
I jumble the whole lot up & make them count it?

Is your time of so little value that you're prepared to stand over
them watching them do that?

Time? No. Satisfaction? Yes.


The poor sod who will have to count it all has not done you any harm;
he didn't make the rules or probably have anything to do with the
decisions. Why make his life a misery? This is little better than
punching a random stranger on the nose because you are feel cross.

Robert

Mary Fisher wrote:

PLONK!

Oh the irony.

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:00 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Hi All

Recently had a PCN issued by the local fascist parking dept, in the course
of my handyman endeavours.

Three 5 page letters & a formal complaint to the CEO later, they haven't
caved in and are insisting on the £30.

I sympathise. After several PCNs and a lot of faffing around buying
scratch'n'sniff 1-day tickets I bit the bullet and bought a
£100+lot-of-bureaucracy tradesma^H^Hperson's parking permit. So when I
got PCNed with my permit displayed I got somewhat ****ed off! Letters to
the parking dept were as much use as ****ing into the wind, but you have a
right to appeal to an independent adjudicator which I did, and I elected
to have the hearing in person (since I was fed up with writing letters).
In my case the parking dept sent 2 of their more senior droids to the
hearing which caused more effort from the sort of people who were
responsible for the dept's overzealousness than the minions further down
the food chain who'd have had to count my pennies if I'd done what you're
proposing. I still lost mind you, and had to pay the regular whack rather
than the half-price-special-offer :-(

And even if I'd won I'd still have been paying for the dept's staff's time
through my council tax, but it was the principle ...


But if you do do the coin trick do make sure to throw in a few
similar-looking foreign coins so they have to fish them out ;-)

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:00 GMT The Medway Handyman wrote :
I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p coins, £5 in
10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't refuse to accept.

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.

I'm wondering though, does it have to be bagged like the bank or can I
jumble the whole lot up & make them count it?

You might irritate the staff: if it's like our parking shop, the people who
will be really miffed are those in the queue behind you who just want to
renew their parking permits. I speak from experience ....

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The poor sod who will have to count it all has not done you any harm;
he didn't make the rules or probably have anything to do with the
decisions. Why make his life a misery?

S/he might enjoy the change from routine though, that would thwart the
poster's intentions :-)

Mary

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:00 GMT The Medway Handyman wrote :

I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p coins, £5 in
10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't refuse to accept.

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.

Dave, suggest you call up the local press and tell them the story and
explain that you will pay the fine magically.
Then go to the office with a journalist present and produce bank notes
and coins etc from various impossible locations.
Bit of publicity for both your businesses.
But I would suggest you should pay in full, you will look good, the
council looks bad.

Tim

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"Andy Hall" wrote:
On 2007-01-16 23:16:20 +0000, said:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going
to do it anyway.

Nice advert, good to know what type of person we could be dealing
with.

It is indeed. Anybody who takes a stand, however small, against the
petty bureaucrats wins my vote.

So you dont mind someone plonking their car outside your driveway
entrance
then MrHall?

Who said the OP had parked outside the entrance to someone's driveway?

God, how I hate 'po-faced' prats! Good on him, I say!! I'd pay in 1p's!!

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Silly tart, I didn't state this had happened its a scenario.

Anyone would be quick enough to phone the local council about someone
illegally parked outside their own parking space ie their front driveway.

I live not far from a football ground and when fans come from outside the
area they think they have the right to park their car anywhere they like ie
outside residents houses making it impossible for them residents to find a
parking space themselves.
These fans know full well there is ample official car parking areas dotted
around the ground at £3 and £5 charge.
But no they would rather not pay that amount and illegally park their car
and get uptight when a £25/30 fine is slapped on the window screen.

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George wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-01-16 23:16:20 +0000, said:

The Medway Handyman wrote:


Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do
it
anyway.

Nice advert, good to know what type of person we could be dealing
with.
It is indeed. Anybody who takes a stand, however small, against the
petty bureaucrats wins my vote.



So you dont mind someone plonking their car outside your driveway
entrance
then MrHall?


Noy if they don't mind me backing a digger into it, no..

Do always have a digger at hand?

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:02:21 UTC, John Rumm
wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote:

PLONK!

Oh the irony.

Hear hear.

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:58:56 UTC, wrote:



On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:00 GMT The Medway Handyman wrote :

I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p coins, £5 in
10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't refuse to accept.

Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.

Dave, suggest you call up the local press and tell them the story and
explain that you will pay the fine magically.
Then go to the office with a journalist present and produce bank notes
and coins etc from various impossible locations.
Bit of publicity for both your businesses.
But I would suggest you should pay in full, you will look good, the
council looks bad.

Now that *is* a good idea.

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On Jan 16, 9:12 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
I've checked on the Royal Mint site and I can pay them £5 in 5p coins, £5 in
10p's, £10 in 20p's and £10 in 50p's - which they can't refuse to accept.

They probably deal with tons of change from parking meters, none of
which they count manually.

They'll tip it in the counting machine, hand you a receipt , say
'Thank you" and stifle a yawn.

Many wardens are liars and the wardens who are the most devious and
persistent work dodgers get promoted to supervisory positions. I
sympathise.

You won't be the first to try it and they will almost certainly have a
rule
book that tells them how to respond.

I would count it, tell you you are short and ask if you want to check it.

"George" wrote in message
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I live not far from a football ground and when fans come from outside the
area they think they have the right to park their car anywhere they like
ie
outside residents houses making it impossible for them residents to find a
parking space themselves.

Unless its a designated residents bay they *do* have the right to park
outside your house.
Or at least they have the same rights as you do.
Generally you do not own the road outside your house or have any special
rights.

"George" wrote in message
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Noy if they don't mind me backing a digger into it, no..

Do always have a digger at hand?



Is it taxed and insured to go on the road?

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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paul wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Hi All

Recently had a PCN issued by the local parking dept.

Good, it might teach you a lesson. Parking rules are there for a
reason and apply to everyone. Why should you be any different.

Parking rules where I live are there to raise revenue, thats the reason.
Since you have no idea of the circumstances you can't really comment can
you - ****wit.

I suppose you think speed cameras are there to raise revenue too.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
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I live not far from a football ground and when fans come from outside
the
area they think they have the right to park their car anywhere they like
ie
outside residents houses making it impossible for them residents to find
a
parking space themselves.

Unless its a designated residents bay they *do* have the right to park
outside your house.
Or at least they have the same rights as you do.
Generally you do not own the road outside your house or have any special
rights.





Short of going out and reading the sign on the post at the top of the road I
do know it says...residents parking permit only,Dennis.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:



Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do
it anyway.


Nice advert, good to know what type of person we could be dealing
with.

Great comment from a regular & valued contributor to the group.

Whats that got to do with the price of fish

Local authorities have to raise money one way or another as you have
acknowledged
I would rather they Mugged Small minded, petty, mean shallow,
inconsiderate idiot drivers,
then increase council tax for the rest of the population that don't
attract speeding and parking fines.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-01-16 23:16:20 +0000, said:


The Medway Handyman wrote:



Small minded, petty, mean & shallow it may be - but I'm going to do it
anyway.


Nice advert, good to know what type of person we could be dealing with.

It is indeed. Anybody who takes a stand, however small, against the
petty bureaucrats wins my vote=rules are for other people, I should be able to park wherever I like, I will drive as fast as I consider safe, I have such a powerful job and make so much money I can look down upon traffic wardens and council workers,

"Aidan" wrote in message
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Many wardens are liars

Evidence?

and the wardens who are the most devious and
persistent work dodgers get promoted to supervisory positions.

Evidence?

Mary

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:08:48 UTC, "dennis@home"
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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paul wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Hi All

Recently had a PCN issued by the local parking dept.

Good, it might teach you a lesson. Parking rules are there for a
reason and apply to everyone. Why should you be any different.

Parking rules where I live are there to raise revenue, thats the reason.
Since you have no idea of the circumstances you can't really comment can
you - ****wit.

I suppose you think speed cameras are there to raise revenue too.

Some of them are. Sited not near an accident blackspot, but in a place
designed to trap the unwary.

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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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but in a place designed to trap the unwary.

Do you think driving while unwary is a good thing?

clive

"Robert Laws" wrote in message
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The poor sod who will have to count it all has not done you any harm;
he didn't make the rules or probably have anything to do with the
decisions. Why make his life a misery? ...

I used to cash up after Jumble Sales and counting a large number of mixed
coins isn't much of a problem, if you are organised and have a coin counting
tray. You simply dump the lot on a hard, smooth table top and use the
fingers of one hand to sweep two or three coins of the same denomination at
a time off the edge of the table into your cupped hand. When you have a
handful, you stack them and drop the stack into the appropriate column in
the counting tray. When you fill enough cavities in any one column to have
the right amount to fill a bank coin bag, you dump them in that. When you
run out of coins, you count the value of the bank coin bags, count the
number of full cavities in the tray (10 coins per cavity) and then count any
odd coins left over.

Mind you, if they do accept payment this way, which they don't have to, they
will probably have an automatic coin counter, which would take between 30
and 60 seconds to check the lot.

Colin Bignell

Colin Bignell wrote;

Mind you, if they do accept payment this way, which they don't have
to, they will probably have an automatic coin counter, which would
take between 30 and 60 seconds to check the lot.


Of course they have to - all the coins will be below the maximum for legal
tender.

Unless you know something I don't?


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On 17 Jan 2007 15:46:49 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:


in a place designed to trap the unwary.

There is a very easy way not to get caught by a speed camera, don't break
the speed limit. There are signs and the type, location and lighting
should tell you what the speed limit is without signs. If the limit
differs from what it should be for the type, location and lighting then
there must be small repeator boards telling you the speed limit.

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:51:01 UTC, "Clive George"
wrote:

but in a place designed to trap the unwary.

Do you think driving while unwary is a good thing?

Oh, don't be silly.

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:19:11 -0000 Nightjar wrote :
Mind you, if they do accept payment this way, which they don't
have to, they will probably have an automatic coin counter, which
would take between 30 and 60 seconds to check the lot.

My Tesco now has one for the use of customers: I haven't tried it
myself but you toss in load of odd coins and it gives you real
money!

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:52:20 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On 17 Jan 2007 15:46:49 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

in a place designed to trap the unwary.

There is a very easy way not to get caught by a speed camera, don't break
the speed limit. There are signs and the type, location and lighting
should tell you what the speed limit is without signs. If the limit
differs from what it should be for the type, location and lighting then
there must be small repeator boards telling you the speed limit.

As I said, 'designed'. There have been cases (I know it's not legal)
where the boards are missing or obscured, and that is where the cameras
do well. A lot of the cases that are overturned are where that has
occurred. Unfortunately, for every one that is overturned, many more,
caught in the same trap (I use the word advisedly) have just paid up.

Incidentally, I have no axe to grind. I have never been caught speeding!
Nor do I condone it, but I do object to cases where cameras are clearly
treated as a cash cow.

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Tony Bryer wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:19:11 -0000 Nightjar wrote :
Mind you, if they do accept payment this way, which they don't
have to, they will probably have an automatic coin counter, which
would take between 30 and 60 seconds to check the lot.

My Tesco now has one for the use of customers: I haven't tried it
myself but you toss in load of odd coins and it gives you real
money!

A coinstar? - I've used them a few times at Asda, they take about 10% for
profit and then offer you the opportunity to donate it all to charity, or
get a printout which you can exchange for goods or cash at the services
desk.

I'm not convinced they are accurate though, I tested it one day with a bag
of change, 2p, 1p, 5's and 10's, and counted it twice, then re-checked again
just to make sure there was *exactly* £4...the machine took it's cut and
offered me about 30p less than it should have been, about £3.30 IIRC....I
still use it though, CBA with all that bagging up and taking to the bank,
occasionally shops will take it if they know you, but it's easier to tip it
into a machine even if you are getting ripped off...£91 last time I went :-p

paul wrote:

Good, it might teach you a lesson.

I wish someone would teach the "tiscali idiot" a lesson


Parking rules are there for a reason and
apply to everyone. Why should you be any different. The way you have
posted a completely off topic post shows you have a disregard for rules and
others. My message is not off topic as it is a direct reply to the subject
of yours.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:47:02 GMT Phil L wrote :
A coinstar? - I've used them a few times at Asda, they take about
10% for profit and then offer you the opportunity to donate it all
to charity, or get a printout which you can exchange for goods or
cash at the services desk.

Thanks for the info: I'd seen the machine but not investigated
further since I use up my small change as I collect it.

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On Jan 17, 3:35 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Aidan" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

Many wardens are liarsEvidence?

and the wardens who are the most devious andpersistent work dodgers get promoted to supervisory positions.

Evidence?

Mary

Circumspice.

Haven't you, or anyone you know, ever received a ticket where the
warden has misrepresented the time, location, etc.?

There's a well-known fictitious law case about a cheque written on a cow.
I think most banks now have contractual conditions allowing them to
dishonour or surcharge for cheques on non-approved forms.

After a mistake in the office earlier (someone printed an A5 letter on
an A0 plotter) I had an idea...

I wonder if you can provide all the details a cheque legally requires,
but printed in such a small font that they need a magnifying glass to
read it - sadly this would affect your ability to sign it unless you
made it roughly normal-size, but with the necessary other text in a tiny
tiny font :-)