from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

|from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?
|
|I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
|Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
|old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

No it ***ATTRACTS*** them. They thinks that another cat has peed there to
mark the place as belonging to that cat and pee over the place to mark it
as belonging to them. Wash places peed on by cats with *biological*
washing powder.
--
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method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

In ,
Dave Fawthrop scribed:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

No it ***ATTRACTS*** them. They thinks that another cat has peed there to
mark the place as belonging to that cat and pee over the place to mark it
as belonging to them. Wash places peed on by cats with *biological*
washing powder.

He wants it to clean his fingers of nicotine, really, but as he's a tight
git he wants another use for it too. )

Siggy wrote:
In ,
Dave Fawthrop scribed:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no
joy. Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever
happend to the old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

No it ***ATTRACTS*** them. They thinks that another cat has peed
there to mark the place as belonging to that cat and pee over the
place to mark it as belonging to them. Wash places peed on by
cats with *biological* washing powder.

He wants it to clean his fingers of nicotine, really, but as he's a
tight git he wants another use for it too. )

They're crapping in the yard not peeing,short of getting the hose on the
cat, I can't see scrubbing the walls and yard will deter moggys from
revisiting? I did jet wash the yard when I first moved in,so maybe this is
a new cat on the block? as I've only recently seen this happening.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Have you considered getting a dog? Or even a cat of your own? If you
get a big angry tom it'll attempt to murder anything with legs that
comes into its territory.

Possibly even you. Ah.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no
joy. Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever
happend to the old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Sussed,thin plywood with tacks/staples nailed through ply and glued or
screwed to top of wall.
I knew this nail/staple gun would come in handy.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no
joy. Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever
happend to the old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Sussed,thin plywood with tacks/staples nailed through ply and glued or
screwed to top of wall.

good lad you could top it all off with creosote for good measure :-)

Have you considered getting a dog? Or even a cat of your own? If you
get a big angry tom it'll attempt to murder anything with legs that
comes into its territory.

Possibly even you. Ah.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

I have bottles of the stuff here but it won't keep cats away.

Haven't we been here before and I upset you by answering lion ****?

Get some from a zoo, it scares the crap out of all other felines and
you will never be bothered again.

In message , The3rd Earl
Of Derby writes
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.
--
Clint Sharp

EricP wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no
joy. Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever
happend to the old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

I have bottles of the stuff here but it won't keep cats away.


Are you making bombs?

Haven't we been here before and I upset you by answering lion ****?


Nope!

Get some from a zoo, it scares the crap out of all other felines and
you will never be bothered again.

Resolved the issue.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Siggy wrote:
He wants it to clean his fingers of nicotine, really,

They're crapping in the yard not peeing,short of getting the hose on the
cat, I can't see scrubbing the walls and yard will deter moggys from
revisiting? I did jet wash the yard when I first moved in,so maybe this is
a new cat on the block? as I've only recently seen this happening.

A jet wash. There's a thought. There are also many ways of permanantly
removing the root of the problem.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?
Sussed,thin plywood with tacks/staples nailed through ply and glued or
screwed to top of wall.
I knew this nail/staple gun would come in handy.

Not gripper rods?

Someone'll be along in a minute to tell you it's all "illegal",
and that sort of thing. I take it that the wall *is* on your own
ground, and that casual passers-by won't get shredded on it...

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

I found some in a window cleaning product in one supermarket.

from visiting your yard if sprayed on...

If you hit them with a good squirt they won`t be too keen to return :-p

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

Boots sell it. Maybe a couple of quid for half a litre.


--

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:18:52 UTC, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

They're crapping in the yard not peeing,short of getting the hose on the
cat, I can't see scrubbing the walls and yard will deter moggys from
revisiting? I did jet wash the yard when I first moved in,so maybe this is
a new cat on the block? as I've only recently seen this happening.

Try orange juice.

--
The information contained in this post is copyright the
poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk

Chris Bacon wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?
Sussed,thin plywood with tacks/staples nailed through ply and glued
or screwed to top of wall.
I knew this nail/staple gun would come in handy.

Not gripper rods?

Someone'll be along in a minute to tell you it's all "illegal",
and that sort of thing. I take it that the wall *is* on your own
ground, and that casual passers-by won't get shredded on it...

Then someone should tell the councils its illegal to put razor wire on the
ally gates.
If they object and say..."its for keeping out unwanted riffraff,then I'll
say same here. :-)

Gripper rods...now why didn't I think of that,hmmm! plenty o those in the
loft.
Good stuff MrBacon.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
[...] someone should tell the councils its illegal to put razor wire on the
ally gates.
If they object and say..."its for keeping out unwanted riffraff,then I'll
say same here. :-)

Surprised the unwanted riff-raff haven't swiped the ally gates
for scrap!

In article
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I doubt it. What you need is lion urine:

http://www.predatorpee.com/

or search eBay or Google for "Silent Roar" which is available in the UK.

In article
Clint Sharp wrote:
In message , The3rd Earl
Of Derby writes
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.

The message
from "The3rd Earl Of Derby" contains these words:

Then someone should tell the councils its illegal to put razor wire on the
ally gates.

I'm surprised the pikeys haven't nicked 'em for scrap. Ally's expensive!

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

The message
from Chris Bacon contains these words:

Surprised the unwanted riff-raff haven't swiped the ally gates
for scrap!

Hah! The rays!

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Guy King wrote:
The message
from "The3rd Earl Of Derby" contains these words:

Then someone should tell the councils its illegal to put razor wire
on the ally gates.

I'm surprised the pikeys haven't nicked 'em for scrap. Ally's
expensive!

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Yup at 500GBP a gating...or at least thats what council lead you to
believe,even the key is a tenner a go if you need a replacement.
Cheeky barstewards.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

"EricP" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:51 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(

I have bottles of the stuff here but it won't keep cats away.

Haven't we been here before and I upset you by answering lion ****?

Get some from a zoo, it scares the crap out of all other felines and
you will never be bothered again.

Be careful how much you use

http://tinyurl.com/k9u7w

Adam

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
from visiting your yard if sprayed on the top of walls?

I'm trying to locate a source for obtaing the amonia,but having no joy.
Tried four chemist in the area and none stock it,whatever happend to the
old chemist where you could buy almost anything. :-(


Get some "cat nip" fluid, I think it's called, from a pet shop.
101% guaranteed to stop them peeing on carpets.


john2

In message , Rob Morley
writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.
--
Clint Sharp

Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.

It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal.

If you cause "unnecessary suffering" and are found out, then you may
be in some trouble. This applies to things from flies to anything
lower than us. If you kill the thing outright, there's no "cruelty"
angle at all - however, the owner *might* be able to sue for damages,
since you've destroyed his property.

In article , Clint Sharp
wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

As far as I am concerned, those who advocate such barbaric behaviour are all
vermin and therefore fair game with whatever measures others wish to take to
prevent such barbarity.

Although I could never condone, or agree with the methods of the ALF, I can
understand their motivation with sadists like you.

--
AJL

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:53:05 +0100, Clint Sharp
wrote:

In message , Rob Morley
writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

Try that near me and you'd end up as a patio foundation


--

In message , "Andy Luckman
(AJL Electronics)" writes
As far as I am concerned, those who advocate such barbaric behaviour are all
vermin and therefore fair game with whatever measures others wish to take to
prevent such barbarity.
Barbaric? So, you never kill vermin then? It all boils down to how
humanely you do it. Note, I don't own an air rifle or any other
projectile weapon, my kitchen knifes and DIY knifes could, at a stretch
be called weapons but I value them too much to use as such. The OP also
advocated use of ammonia which is a very unpleasant chemical to use on
any animal, it can cause severe burns, respiratory problems and you
really wouldn't want to get it in your eyes as you'd be lucky to have
any sight left afterwards but I notice you really don't have a problem
with that?

Although I could never condone, or agree with the methods of the ALF, I can
understand their motivation with sadists like you.
A sadist enjoys inflicting pain, I don't but I wonder if you've ever
seen a cat tormenting a captured creature, tell me that doesn't fit the
definition of sadism? I hate cleaning up the detritus that irresponsible
owner's 'pets' leave in my garden, including excrement (it's not true
that cats always bury) and dead animals that haven't been killed for
anything but pleasure by cats ( I know, I've watched them).


--
Clint Sharp

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:53:05 +0100, Clint Sharp
wrote:

In message , Rob Morley
writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.


--

..andy

Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.

What could the law do?

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:16:10 +0100, Chris Bacon
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.

What could the law do?


It is an offence under the Protection of Animals Acts 1911-1988 and
carries a fine of up to £5000 or six months imprisonment.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section12/chapter_m.html

http://www.yorkcats.org.uk/catlaw.htm


--

..andy

Andy Hall wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.
You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.
What could the law do?


It is an offence under the Protection of Animals Acts 1911-1988 and
carries a fine of up to £5000 or six months imprisonment.

That's for cruelty to animals. If the animal is killed instantly,
iy's not cruelty, apparently, so the above does not apply.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:58 +0100, Chris Bacon
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.
You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.
What could the law do?


It is an offence under the Protection of Animals Acts 1911-1988 and
carries a fine of up to £5000 or six months imprisonment.

That's for cruelty to animals. If the animal is killed instantly,
iy's not cruelty, apparently, so the above does not apply.


A hypothetical question since most people do not have legal access to
weapons able to guarantee instant killing of an animal the size of a
cat.

Note also that if a cat is somebody's domestic pet, it is their
property and is not feral. This can also easily be established if
the animal has been microchipped. Cats are excluded from being
livestock under the 1971 Animals Act and therefore cannot be guilty of
trespass and their owners cannot be held liable for damage caused by a
single animal. The exception to that might be if there were a large
number of cats having a single owner roaming around.


--

..andy

Andy Hall wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
[snip caticide]
What could the law do?

It is an offence under the Protection of Animals Acts 1911-1988 and
carries a fine of up to £5000 or six months imprisonment.

That's for cruelty to animals. If the animal is killed instantly,
iy's not cruelty, apparently, so the above does not apply.

A hypothetical question since most people do not have legal access to
weapons able to guarantee instant killing of an animal the size of a
cat.

It's not a question, it's a statement, and has been tested
in court (not by me, I hasten to add). If an animal is
killed instantly, by a blow from a stick, or a shot, or
whatever, it isn't cruelty.


Note also that if a cat is somebody's domestic pet, it is their
property and is not feral.

Which is why I said in another post that the owner might take
action against the cat-slayer, since his property has been
destroyed.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:16:10 +0100, Chris Bacon
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.

You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.

What could the law do?

Quite a bit.

Quote:-

• It is an offence to shoot pet animals. Besides being abhorrent to
most people, this is, above all others, the offence that gives all air
weapon shooters a bad name.
***************

I wanted a particular air gun, common a few years ago and was amazed
to find it now a "prohibited weapon", along with machine guns etc.

EricP wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
Clint Sharp wrote:
Rob Morley writes
Air rifle, you thought it was feral as it didn't have a collar on and it
was a legitimate pest control measure.

That won't stand up in court. Good job too.
It might not.... AFAIK though, shooting feral cats is a pest control
exercise and not illegal. As far as I'm concerned, moggies are all
vermin and any animal that the 'owner' can't control is feral.
You may think that. The law would disagree with you and act
accordingly.
What could the law do?

Quite a bit.

Quote:-

• It is an offence to shoot pet animals. Besides being abhorrent to
most people, this is, above all others, the offence that gives all air
weapon shooters a bad name.
***************

The above is not true in law, see my reply to A.H. I am not saying
that it is a good thing, note.

I wanted a particular air gun, common a few years ago and was amazed
to find it now a "prohibited weapon", along with machine guns etc.

I wonder what that was... a "B-k", perhaps? One of the air-
guns with a pumped up cartridge?

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Does amonia deter cats...

Yes, fill a supersoaker with it and aim carefully.