BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks, new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

Mark

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:50:44 +0100, mark harrison
wrote:

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

Did the British Gas bloke have a pair of binoculars?

sponix

In message , mark harrison
writes

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

Mark


Without checking, I would guess that you could buy the boiler for around
£1,000 - £1500, and get the work done for around £1,000.


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"mark harrison" wrote in message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Above all, get some more quotes

Regards Jeff

"mark harrison" wrote in message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.
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.. wrote:
"mark harrison" wrote in message
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BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.


BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish


Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.

Well surely it was still BG that would be guaranteeing the work so the
householder should still be happy in the knowledge that if you went
under BG would have to find somebody else to sort it out if the work was
wrong.

PS. I'm not endorsing BG, just playing devil's advocate!

In message , Richard
Conway writes
. wrote:
"mark harrison" wrote in message
. ..

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.


BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.

Well surely it was still BG that would be guaranteeing the work so the
householder should still be happy in the knowledge that if you went
under BG would have to find somebody else to sort it out if the work
was wrong.

How could that make it worth paying an extra £1400 for the same job.
AFAIK, if you get a new boiler, BG will provide a service contract for
around £150 per year - they will probably offer and recommend the same
on their "own" product.

--
Richard Faulkner

Richard Faulkner wrote:
In message , Richard
Conway writes

. wrote:

"mark harrison" wrote in
message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin
tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler
price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.


BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.


Well surely it was still BG that would be guaranteeing the work so the
householder should still be happy in the knowledge that if you went
under BG would have to find somebody else to sort it out if the work
was wrong.


How could that make it worth paying an extra £1400 for the same job.
AFAIK, if you get a new boiler, BG will provide a service contract for
around £150 per year - they will probably offer and recommend the same
on their "own" product.


As I implied at the bottom of my post - I wasn't agreeing that this was
a good idea. The reason the householder originally chose BG was that
they were worried the smaller firm might go under rendering any
guarentee useless. On those grounds, even though the smaller firm
carried out the work, the guarentee would still be valid even if they
did go under as it would be BG that would be answerable to the work.
Therefore the householder shouldn't have cared that the smaller firm got
the contract from BG as their reasons for doing what they did still held.

IYSWIM.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:12:13 +0100, "Jeff"
wrote:


"mark harrison" wrote in message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Above all, get some more quotes

Regards Jeff

Well my thoughts are that it is a free market economy and that if the
BG quote doesnt suit,then go elsewhere. As for subbing out,well I
would make it a condition of sale that the work is donr by BGs' own in
house staff. As an aside,i worked for BG for many years and i did
loads of central heating installs. In the late 80's BG thought that
its own in house tams were too expensive so they started subbing out.
Punters thought that me and my colleagues would turn up in our smart
BG vans and overalls but instead, sometimes a clapped out old trannie
(the van that is..) would turn up with some other guys in it. Some
were fine,many were not and i have seen some truly horrific jobs in
which it was clear that the installers didnt even have a rudimentary
understanding of system design (not combi installs). One truly
memorable example and i wish i had taken a picture,system install in a
bungalow,main flow from boiler taken straight up into the loft to
header tank,tee off for expansion over tank then another tee,pump
fitted (above water level in tank!!!!) then down supposedly to feed
the heating and hot water!. Needless to say when things went wrong,the
useless managers would send us round to troubleshoot/reinstall. I cut
that piece of plumbing out and lobbed it on the managers desk in the
office. I quit not long after that.

So then,if you go with the BG quote,try and barter it down AND insist
in writing that BG own staff do the install. Unfortunately these
days,your paying for a certain level of piece of mind and guarantee
backup. There are loads of excellent independant installers out
there,its just finding them thats tricky. The British public are their
own worst enemy.




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In message , Richard
Conway writes
Richard Faulkner wrote:
In message , Richard
Conway writes

. wrote:

"mark harrison" wrote in
message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store,
twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler
price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.


BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.


Well surely it was still BG that would be guaranteeing the work so
the householder should still be happy in the knowledge that if you
went under BG would have to find somebody else to sort it out if the
work was wrong.
How could that make it worth paying an extra £1400 for the same
job. AFAIK, if you get a new boiler, BG will provide a service
contract for around £150 per year - they will probably offer and
recommend the same on their "own" product.


As I implied at the bottom of my post - I wasn't agreeing that this was
a good idea.

Agreed

The reason the householder originally chose BG was that they were
worried the smaller firm might go under rendering any guarentee
useless. On those grounds, even though the smaller firm carried out the
work, the guarentee would still be valid even if they did go under as
it would be BG that would be answerable to the work. Therefore the
householder shouldn't have cared that the smaller firm got the contract
from BG as their reasons for doing what they did still held.

IYSWIM.

Yes, but it would still seem better to use the cheaper quote and get a
service contract. I agree that they may not have thought of this.

--
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Richard Faulkner wrote:
In message , Richard
Conway writes

Richard Faulkner wrote:

In message , Richard
Conway writes

. wrote:

"mark harrison" wrote in
message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old
gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed
for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store,
twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler
price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.


BG do not do the work, they sub it out to a local company = extra
cost
google will find you a price for this boiler iirc its about £1400 ish

Firm I used to work for did a quote for a new boiler and some other
minor work for £1200.
BG quoted £2600.
Householder thought we were too cheap and might not be around to
provide
guarantee.
They took the BG quote.
BG subbed it to us.
Householder less than pleased.



Well surely it was still BG that would be guaranteeing the work so
the householder should still be happy in the knowledge that if you
went under BG would have to find somebody else to sort it out if the
work was wrong.

How could that make it worth paying an extra £1400 for the same
job. AFAIK, if you get a new boiler, BG will provide a service
contract for around £150 per year - they will probably offer and
recommend the same on their "own" product.


As I implied at the bottom of my post - I wasn't agreeing that this
was a good idea.


Agreed

The reason the householder originally chose BG was that they were
worried the smaller firm might go under rendering any guarentee
useless. On those grounds, even though the smaller firm carried out
the work, the guarentee would still be valid even if they did go under
as it would be BG that would be answerable to the work. Therefore the
householder shouldn't have cared that the smaller firm got the
contract from BG as their reasons for doing what they did still held.

IYSWIM.


Yes, but it would still seem better to use the cheaper quote and get a
service contract. I agree that they may not have thought of this.

Yes, but this option was always available to them, even before they knew
that it was the smaller firm that would get the contract from BG, they
chose not to go for it though.

There is a difference between a guarantee and a service contract - in
fact I would imagine it would be pretty pointless paying for a service
contract on a system where the installation is still fully covered by
the installer's gurantee and the components are covered by their
manufacturer's guarentee.

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The British public are their own worst enemy.

I used to say the very same thing in relation to the estate agency
service which "we" get.

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mark harrison wrote:
BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

Take advice on whether a combi will suit your needs. And make sure you get
the spec in writing. Because most combis will not match the temperature or
flow of your existing hot water system.

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"mark harrison" wrote in message
...

BG came round yesterday to quote to replace our old 30 ry old gravity
system (glow worm hide away) with a new combi.
After we explained our requirements and the extension proposed for the
property they proposed the following boiler.

Worcester Greenstar 440 Highflow - 201/min, 60l primary store, twin tap
operation.
So the best bit, with the removal of our old system, quite a bit of
additional pipework, external bricking up, removal of all old tanks,
new radiator valves and wirless control comes to - £4156 (boikler price
in BG paperwork was £2.2k)

Thoughts and opinions on the quote please.

Mark


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mark harrison

We had the same work plus more done in April for around £2200.

It included all you've been quoted for plus 7 day progammer, new rad,
cylinder stat, room stat, 6 or so rad stats, power flush etc.

Do what we did...go to the Worcester Bosch web site

http://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/ind...&from_id=10364

and use the Find An Installer link. It will then give you a local WB trained
and recommended installer. Ours was very good and quoted me happy.