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Fed up about cars ending up in yard because of driving too fast
Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding
around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:35:27 -0800, stryped wrote:
Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. In an ideal world you could get the local authorities to erect a barrier. As an inducement to get them to act make sure that your concern over the safety issues are in the public record. And then point out (privately) that injuries resulting from a failure of the officals to act on a clearly unsafe road condition/use would be grounds for a civil suit. But failing in that you might be on safe legal grounds if the barrier is located entirely within the property lines (and doesn't run into zoning restrictions). You'd certainly want to consult with a lawyer first w/respect to potential liability issues. I doubt that 6x6's would be big enough if we are talking about speeds in the 60'sh range. Something on the order of telephone poles sunk 6' deep would seem more reasonable. -- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat. |
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Ian Stirling wrote: wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. Where are you? The technical answer is trivial - a really huge wall. The legal answe may be more complex. You don't need a huge wall, just some very short posts. Too short for anyone to hit them, excapt with their transaxle. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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I live in Kentucky.
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What about when thye fly through the windshield on their sudden stop?
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Jim Levie wrote: I doubt that 6x6's would be big enough if we are talking about speeds in the 60'sh range. Something on the order of telephone poles sunk 6' deep would seem more reasonable. You don't actually have to stop the speeding vehicle on the spot. Just absorb enough enbergy so the ground will finish the job. How far back is the house from the road? Some posts that partially break and partially are pulled out of the ground on impact might be the best to absorb energy. Yes, you really don't want the thing to be a death trap, but you ought to be able to protect your family. If fences are not permitted in your area, you can just plant some trees. Even the little 6' trees you buy at the local nursery will offer quite a lot of resistance once they get their roots into the ground, and after a couple of years will be quite resistant to anything larger than a motorcycle getting past them. As for liability, there's a guy a couple blocks from me who has this lean-to think built out of stacked 2x4's around his mailbox. If somebody ever hit it, it really looks like it could roll over practically anything smaller than a semi. He hasn't gotten cited that I know of, it has been there 15+ years (with, I think, one complete rebuild due to weathering.) Jon |
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"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. Where are you? The technical answer is trivial - a really huge wall. The legal answe may be more complex. Actually, the technical and legal answers are exactly the same, use standard guard rail with standard mounting poles and all standard hardware. It will protect you and your family without unduly endangering the people who accidently plow into it. You could possibly hide it behind a hedge for esthetics. If you can't get the local government to do the job, install it on your own property at your own expense, and then bill the driver's insurance company every time it gets hit and needs repair, (just like the government does). Vaughn |
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While the insured beater car idea has merit, and is possibly a profitable
venture, I think it would be more fun to cause them a bit more damage than they've caused you. Nothing extremely dangerous mind you, just bad enough to be fun. Consider a rock garden. Do it up nicely with a base of polished river rock or something, maybe some 6" stones around the border. Then, strategically placed within the border in line with their most likely trajectory, some 12-15" stones or concrete ornaments arranged in an obstacle course fashion. Imagine the satisfaction you'll get each time you come home to find the rock garden all knocked askew!! All you'll really have to do is re-rake the river rock smooth and possibly reposition some of the larger rocks. You might even get enough oil dumped into the mix to keep the weeds at bay. AND........... Along the same lines as the insured road block, get someone to write you an obscene bill for the building of the garden, and then collect an equally obscene amount for re-construction from the insurance company of the vehicle that occasionally becomes lodged in your rock garden. Fun-Fun........... Tom wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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In article ,
Nick Hull wrote: In article , Ian Stirling wrote: wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. Where are you? The technical answer is trivial - a really huge wall. The legal answe may be more complex. You don't need a huge wall, just some very short posts. Too short for anyone to hit them, excapt with their transaxle. This sounds like a good idea.... If I understand the situation right, your yard is about 6 inches lower than the roadway and people are taking the turn too fast and sliding into the yard... then driving away. I assume that you have three goals he 1) Prevent cars from sliding off the road. 2) Stop errant cars from ending up in the living room. 3) Keep said errant cars from leaving the scene of the crime (personal property damage / single vehicle accident) 1) This should be the realm of the local trafic engineer. Reflectors, signs, rumble strips, speed humps... all should be well known and effective. Of course, actually getting these in place could take an act of god. Send polite letters documenting the situation and document the replies. Send often. You may get somewhere and at the least, it may cover you later. 2) I don't know if the cars just forget to turn entirely, or if they begin the turn and physics takes over landing them in your yard. I will assume the later. You are looking for a way to dissipate the energy of the car before it gets too far. The barrier should not be a hazard to pedestrians or other passers by and ideally, it should not cause injury to the occupants of the errant vehicle. 3) Is a strange area... as it seems to be contrary to 2), but it may not be. Ok, idea time... Water filled plastic barrels in front of a stout wooden fence. Car hits barrels, barrels rupture, water everywhere, car dumps a lot of energy (by folding up the body work), probably takes out the fence, but doesn't likely go very far after that. Works on the highways at off ramps. Of course, if you live in a cold environment you may have to use antifreeze or the barrels become an impeneterable barrier six months of the year. Perhaps add a dye to the water to mark the offending vehicle. Small "Water feature" near road. Six inches of water will slow a car down quite a bit. Ever drive through a deep puddle? Same idea. Of course, once again, in the winter it is a skating rink and into the house they go... Bowling balls. Concrete bowling balls teathered to each other (about 3 or 4 neighbors). Keep the teathers burried under an inch of dirt or so so no one will trip on them and place them about every 3 feet. Car comes off road, hits balls (absorbing energy by denting car and trying to drag several of its buddies along with it) probably high centering itself and unless it is a large truck, they aren't driving back out. Nothing to impale the car or driver, nothing to hurt pedestrians, replacable, repairable, and should stop a car. If you don't like the look of the balls, plant bushes around them. I don't know... just ideas... -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Mechanical Engineering and stuff Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet |
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Anthony wrote:
wrote in news:1101753327.359184.297780 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. A 10-12' wide strip of sand about 18"-24" deep in the landing zone ought to be legal and non-lethal, it also will keep them there until they get a tow truck. Erect a sign in a place visible to cars approaching the curve, large enough for them to see, stating: FEES FOR RUNNING OFF ROAD: TOW: $150 DAMAGE FEE: $500 min PARKING FEE: $100/hr I like that one. Maybe a long log chain locked to a post ready to attach property. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:49:41 -0800, Winston
vaguely proposed a theory .......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email Yeah. We have rather been here before! Google Groups: Search on "Advice to keep cars from sliding into my yard on bad curve." It ran 138 postings. Good luck! --Winston |
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wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. Railroad track fence posts buried 36" deep with 2' sticking out with a piece of 5/8 steel cable between them as a "fence" Its not something they will drive away from....... Gunner "I mean, when's the last time you heard of a college where the Young Republicans staged a "Sit In" to close down the Humanities building? On the flip side, how many sit in's were staged to close the ROTC building back in the '60's? Liberals stage protests, do civil disobedience, etc. Conservatives talk politely and try to work out a solution to problems through discourse until they believe that talking won't work... they they go home and open the gun cabinets. Pray things never get to the point where the conservatives decide that "civil disobedience" is the next step, because that's a very short route to "voting from the rooftops" Jeffrey Swartz, Misc.Survivalism |
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Where would I find one of these guard rails I could purchase on my own?
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The cars take the turn too fast I think. The speedlimit is 25 but they
go alot faster. One of the problesm is they slide from going too fast after even a light rain because it is so slippery. I like your idea about the fence and water but I would hate to have to replace that fence every year. |
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I think it wouldbe ugly unless you cover it like you said. But if I
cover it would there be a legal problem. I mean the drive just sees a hedge and "aims" his car for the hedge thinking it is safer? |
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Cheap solution.
professionally painted sign "Nudist Resort - 500 Ft." On 30 Nov 2004 06:24:38 -0800, wrote: ||The cars take the turn too fast I think. The speedlimit is 25 but they ||go alot faster. One of the problesm is they slide from going too fast ||after even a light rain because it is so slippery. || ||I like your idea about the fence and water but I would hate to have to ||replace that fence every year. || Texas Parts Guy |
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wrote in message ups.com... I think it wouldbe ugly unless you cover it like you said. But if I cover it would there be a legal problem. I mean the drive just sees a hedge and "aims" his car for the hedge thinking it is safer? Not if the hedge happens to be in your yard! Besides, the hedge would actually cushion the impact for the car. Guard rail is made to deform and absorb the energy of the car. As someone else mentioned, the poles also absorb lots of the energy by being pulled out of the ground. I used the stuff for years to stop cars from smashing my traffic signal boxes and concrete poles. I had to replace each instalation every year or so when it got hit, but that was much easier than replacing a traffic signal control box. We never got sued, but we sure filed claims against lots of people after they bent our guard rail. I remember that we had no problem buying the stuff locally. If you can't find it in the yellow pages, ask your local county Streets Department who their vendor is. From: http://projects.ch2m.com/coalcreek/d...icbarrier1.htm Galvanized Guardrail Description:Traffic barriers are used to reduce the severity of accidents that occur when an errant vehicle leaves the traveled way. Galvanized steel beam guardrail provides a steel shiny appearance. Approximate Cost: $ 20 - 25 per Linear Foot Advantages: - Low maintenance and repair cost - Choice in end terminals Disadvantages: - Some reflectivity - Color of Guardrail sections may not be consistent. - Does not blend into natural surroundings. - Not pedestrian friendly. - Pedestrian rail is needed for vertical drop protection. Another information source: http://www.big-o.com/catalog/constru...tr/c-guard.pdf |
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In article .com,
wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. You could do a "volleyball pit" by the edge of the road. Won't really trap cars that get in it too effectively, but it'll slow 'em down very quickly and it's easy to repair. Even if you let it grow over with grass it will probably still work. A rock garden with lots of gravel and a few big rocks would probably work too and you could make it look nice. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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