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Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding
around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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"Indestructable fences" are a good way to get sued.
Make a fuss and get a guardrail put up, sell your house and buy one in a different location, or... Dig out the yard 12-18" deep for a 10-20 foot strip near the road. Pile this dirt into a berm on the house side of the dug-out area. Fill the area with ball bearings. Place no trespassing signs, and charge the drivers that end up stuck in the ball-bearing pit with trespassing. Or, put a pond or marsh there, which is cheaper than ball bearings. If you can get a nice rounded grade of pea stone that might work too, but the usual stuff can't be depended upon to get the car good and stuck. -- Cats, Coffee, Chocolate...vices to live by |
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Roust your Congressman
wrote in message oups.com... Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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Buy a $100 used car - 70s Buick or similar. Keep it licensed, inspected, and
parked beside the road in the Target Zone. You might also put a reflective red stripe down it's flanks. After it gets wacked, collect insurance, sell car for scrap, replace car, pocket difference. New Game On 29 Nov 2004 10:35:08 -0800, wrote: ||Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding ||around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they ||drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. || ||I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway ||department. I have written letters and attached photos. || ||I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but ||wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. || ||I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the ||road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! || ||I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I ||dont know what to do. || Texas Parts Guy |
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Build a nice cedar fence. This will both hide the road from your house, and
give a visual obstacle to the drivers. Most drivers will avoid it where now there is no consequence to cutting the corner. If they do hit it, collect the insurance, and put the money into your kid's college account. This could turn into a nice little nickel machine... wrote in message oups.com... Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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The 6x6 posts will just be sheared off to little avail. If you're on a
slope up, putting in a retaining wall of about 2' high will stop all but the big trucks without any legal problems if you put a fence at the top of the wall to keep things from falling off the wall. If you're level, there's always a few large (4'-8' diameter) rocks that will provide a good splat zone but you do want several to fill out other parts of the yard. Brick fences will work only if they are reinforced as the bricks do tend to break apart easily. The only thing the general fence does is to attempt to show the driver where the road isn't. Finally, there is always the steel barrier to slow down the drivers. You might want to work with your neighbor to work the barrier all the way around the turn. -- Why isn't there an Ozone Hole at the NORTH Pole? |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:43:24 GMT, "Emmo" wrote:
||Build a nice cedar fence. This will both hide the road from your house, and ||give a visual obstacle to the drivers. Most drivers will avoid it where ||now there is no consequence to cutting the corner. || ||If they do hit it, collect the insurance, and put the money into your kid's ||college account. This could turn into a nice little nickel machine... Might want something more substantial to make sure the car and driver hang around to offer insurance information. wrote in message groups.com... || Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding || around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they || drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. || || I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway || department. I have written letters and attached photos. || || I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but || wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. || || I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the || road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! || || I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I || dont know what to do. || || || Texas Parts Guy |
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They told me unless there is a 6 foot or more drop off, they cant put a
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The rode level is higher than where my house is.
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In article ,
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:30:13 GMT, ) wrote:
Buy a $100 used car - 70s Buick or similar. Keep it licensed, inspected, and parked beside the road in the Target Zone. You might also put a reflective red stripe down it's flanks. After it gets wacked, collect insurance, sell car for scrap, replace car, pocket difference. New Game LOL On 29 Nov 2004 10:35:08 -0800, wrote: ||Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding ||around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they ||drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. || ||I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway ||department. I have written letters and attached photos. || ||I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but ||wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. || ||I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the ||road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! || ||I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I ||dont know what to do. || Texas Parts Guy |
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In my area, it is pretty common to place large stones (rocks) which would
fit into a 1foot cube about every 3-4 feet as landscaping. Doesn't keep peope from hitting them, but they seem to be a pretty good deterrent. If run over, serious damage is done to underside of vehicle. I guess the trick is avoid something "lethal". Good luck! wrote in message oups.com... Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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You have seen posts about using large rocks. That is probably what I would
do, but use a little bit larger rock like maybe 24". That would give room for the car to get lifted (hopefully they aren't going fast enough to actually get airborn), or the rock to be pushed further down into the soil, and still do quite a bit of damage to the car. Perhaps enough where it wouldn't be driving off again. As a backup plan, and to make sure the house was safe, I think I would sink some 6-8" concrete filled steel pipes up close to the house. If they are still coming after the car has gone over the large rocks, the pipes should stop them. Wayne wrote in message oups.com... Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. |
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In article 6HNqd.208562$df2.2883@edtnps89,
machineman wrote: wrote: The rode level is higher than where my house is. Steel punji sticks for them to impale the bottom of the car on :-) Don't even need that, a rock garden will disable the car nicely when it falls in. I still like the idea of putting a registered cheap car for them to run into, if they try to get away it is hit & run. Your kid could have been sleeping inside, especially when you see how much $$$$ they offer for you to drop felony charges. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show machineman
wrote back on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:48:34 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : wrote: The rode level is higher than where my house is. Steel punji sticks for them to impale the bottom of the car on :-) Fun idea, as is the one with the anti-tank mines. Unfortunately, there are so many killjoys out there, and far too many of them either work for the government, or have fiends in low places (aka lawyers). I have heard that a properly anchored chain link fence has good "crash barrier" properties. Considering what happened when the acetylene tank crashed into one, it might work for a car. [Tank fell over, knocked off the valve, rocketed across the shop, through the wall, twenty five feet to the chain link fence, was snagged by the chain link fence and pulled about a hundred and fifty feet of it loose from the fence posts.] The idea of a solid appearing fence might work as well, as it will cause people to realize "The road turns ahead"). Put some reflectors on it - about car headlight apart ... tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Jeff Wisnia
wrote back on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:10:19 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking : wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. This isn't intended to be serious... But, I just thought of a wide elastic rubber "guard rail" connected only at its ends to two hefty pilings. Cars would decellerate when they ran into and stretched out the rubber, and then be launched back off the property, as though from a giant sling shot. Could make for some pretty funny videos. Hmmm, could look around for Navy surplus aircraft arresting gear. Couple of those would serve to "trap" a car quite nicely. Or could hang a sign out front: "Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, Attorneys at law. No case too small No judgement too large!" -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. See if you can get a concrete barrier - those they use on highways - one chunk or two as a deflection line. Requesting those by e-mail is an urgent need and must be responded to. Something might be done. e-mail the county rep or city rep as the case is - Around here, they have to reply by law if it is at all possible. Sometimes it is by proxy, but the message is logged in. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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I cant dig the state owned ditch out nay more can I?
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
snipped I have heard that a properly anchored chain link fence has good "crash barrier" properties. Considering what happened when the acetylene tank crashed into one, it might work for a car. [Tank fell over, knocked off the valve, rocketed across the shop, through the wall, twenty five feet to the chain link fence, was snagged by the chain link fence and pulled about a hundred and fifty feet of it loose from the fence posts.] I have been under the impression for a long time that valves used on portable high pressure tanks have a definite designed in "weak point" with an orifice below it small enough to limit gas flow to rates which won't cause "rocketing." When impacted hard enough, the valve is supposed to snap off beyond that orifice. At least that's what I heard 40+ years ago about the "J" and "K" valves we used on our Scuba tanks. Can someone straighten me out on this point? 'Course there's alsways some fool who will beat the most foolproof systems man can think up. Lots of us used fire extinguisher bottles as diving tanks in the early days of Scuba, they were rated for 1800 psi and were a heck of a lot cheaper than "official" tanks. Worked just fine if you used them correctly. I still get shivers when I remember what happened to a guy in our diving club. We had to use 3/4" to 1/2" NPT reducing bushings to adapt the 1/2" threaded Scuba valves to the fire extinguisher bottles. Only this poor guy didn't know the difference between materials and used a cast iron plumbing bushing instead of a steel one. The threads sheared off the bushing the first time he filled the tank. The valve blew out and entered his head under his chin, killing him on the spot. Sad story, but it sure increased my respect for the amount of energy in compressed gasses. I think of that guy everytime I see a compressed gas bottle standing up without a safety chain to keep it from falling. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:18:59 GMT, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote: wrote: Any idea on what I can do about people driving too fast and sliding around a curve landing in my front yard? The speedlimit is 35 but they drive about 60. I got home to find huge ruts in my yard the other day. I have talked to the county executive , judge madjestrate, highway department. I have written letters and attached photos. I was thinking of putting a fence up using 6x6 posts in concrete but wondered if somehow someone would try to sue me if they got hurt. I have a daughter and a son on the way and their bedroom faces the road. I am scared to death someone is going to end up in my house! I can attach pictures if that helps. I am just so fed up right now I dont know what to do. See if you can get a concrete barrier - those they use on highways - one chunk or two as a deflection line. Requesting those by e-mail is an urgent need and must be responded to. Something might be done. e-mail the county rep or city rep as the case is - Around here, they have to reply by law if it is at all possible. Sometimes it is by proxy, but the message is logged in. Martin XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Well, here I am as the Devils Advocate again, as usual, arguing with some of what's been said. I'm sure that your first priority is to keep your family safe, and then to avoid damage to your property, but I'd be a bit wary of "forcing" the municipality to "do something", as you may not be very pleased with what they do. How would you and the neighbours like to have a nice grey concrete barrier 5 feet high for 200 feet along your frontage? What would it do to the access to your driveway? How would the neighbours like to have the "rumble strips" in front of their house? That's the kind of thing that can happen if you attempt to force the authorities into believing that a danger and risk exist. Better for you to plant some really decently heavy and substantial low evergreen shrubbery on the actual property line, maybe widening into your yard along the latest tire tracks. Cuts down on the grass cutting too. Does the grass-wrecking occur at any time, or just nights, or what? Do you think that there is a reason people "miss" the curve/corner? Would better warning signs be useful? A bit far-fetched and maybe expensive, but how about a radar gun, set up on your property, to watch the zone, attached to a control for a strobe beacon. Any vehicle travelling over the posted safe speed for the curve would activate the strobe. You might even consider breaking the law yourself by making it look like a cop cars bubble gum machine. That gets the brakes on real quick! Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. |
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![]() Or could hang a sign out front: "Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, Attorneys at law. No case too small No judgement too large!" -- Do this and you will have a line of people at your door 24x7 Wayne |
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In our case, the guy went through the arborvitae hedge (destroying
about 4) and was stopped (very luckily, he probably would have kept driving into our livingroom) by the fact that it had been raining and our front yard has poor drainage - he sank up to his axles in the ground. So if it happened a lot (it doesn't this was just an exceptionally skilled drunk) I would probably go with a similar mud trap - or water feature. I think a good thick mud would absorb most of the energy. Mythbusters made a quicksand tank - maybe that would work. First time I've ever called the cops on a guy... |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:05:47 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Or could hang a sign out front: "Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, Attorneys at law. No case too small No judgement too large!" Forget the sign, hang an actual lawyer out front. Gary |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:10:45 -0500, Nick Hull wrote:
||In article , || ) wrote: || || Buy a $100 used car - 70s Buick or similar. Keep it licensed, inspected, and || parked beside the road in the Target Zone. You might also put a reflective red || stripe down it's flanks. || After it gets wacked, collect insurance, sell car for scrap, replace car, || pocket difference. New Game || ||I love it, best idea so far ![]() Is there a prize? percentage of the take? Texas Parts Guy |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:07:36 -0500, Gary Coffman
wrote: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:05:47 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote: Or could hang a sign out front: "Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, Attorneys at law. No case too small No judgement too large!" Forget the sign, hang an actual lawyer out front. Gary I like it! Gunner "I mean, when's the last time you heard of a college where the Young Republicans staged a "Sit In" to close down the Humanities building? On the flip side, how many sit in's were staged to close the ROTC building back in the '60's? Liberals stage protests, do civil disobedience, etc. Conservatives talk politely and try to work out a solution to problems through discourse until they believe that talking won't work... they they go home and open the gun cabinets. Pray things never get to the point where the conservatives decide that "civil disobedience" is the next step, because that's a very short route to "voting from the rooftops" Jeffrey Swartz, Misc.Survivalism |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:32:01 -0800, Felice Luftschein and Nicholas
Carter wrote: In our case, the guy went through the arborvitae hedge (destroying about 4) and was stopped (very luckily, he probably would have kept driving into our livingroom) by the fact that it had been raining and our front yard has poor drainage - he sank up to his axles in the ground. So if it happened a lot (it doesn't this was just an exceptionally skilled drunk) I would probably go with a similar mud trap - or water feature. I think a good thick mud would absorb most of the energy. Mythbusters made a quicksand tank - maybe that would work. First time I've ever called the cops on a guy... If you owned a backhoe and a shotgun, you could have avoided calling the cops. They say drunk drivers are really nice people, down deep. Gunner "I mean, when's the last time you heard of a college where the Young Republicans staged a "Sit In" to close down the Humanities building? On the flip side, how many sit in's were staged to close the ROTC building back in the '60's? Liberals stage protests, do civil disobedience, etc. Conservatives talk politely and try to work out a solution to problems through discourse until they believe that talking won't work... they they go home and open the gun cabinets. Pray things never get to the point where the conservatives decide that "civil disobedience" is the next step, because that's a very short route to "voting from the rooftops" Jeffrey Swartz, Misc.Survivalism |
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In article ,
Brian Lawson wrote: A bit far-fetched and maybe expensive, but how about a radar gun, set up on your property, to watch the zone, attached to a control for a strobe beacon. Any vehicle travelling over the posted safe speed for the curve would activate the strobe. You might even consider breaking the law yourself by making it look like a cop cars bubble gum machine. That gets the brakes on real quick! Actually I see the nucleus of a good idea here. How about getting a contract from the city to raise revenue by operating a radar/camera speed trap at that location. You just send the photo proof of speeding to the city and they send out the fine and give you a cut. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show "NoOne N Particular"
wrote back on Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:11:13 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : Or could hang a sign out front: "Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, Attorneys at law. No case too small No judgement too large!" -- Do this and you will have a line of people at your door 24x7 Well, there are drawbacks, but at least they will be walking,a nd not driving up tot he door. :-) Wayne -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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Friend of my dad's lived at the bottom of a hill on a sharp corner and
people were always driving into his yard, aimed at his bedroom. He looked into concrete barriers but discovered there are all sorts of rules about artificial barriers. So he put the word out to everybody that he'd take their big rocks (took 4 of us to get my dad's biggest one into a pickup). He built a nice rock garden with BIG rocks (some the size of small cars) on that end of his lot and the cars stopped coming in. Made a hell of a noise once in a while, but nobody ever came over, and, because it was "gardening material" not "an artificial barrier" he was safe from lawyers. You better check this out in your area though. Actually, the old Buick idea is a good one, as long as your local cops don't try to ticket it for being abandoned. Jim |
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Instead of the hassel of insuring it and tagging it and risking a ticket get
a convertible or cut the top off and make a planter out of it. Put up a sign that sez "Planter boxes for sale" "Nick Hull" wrote in message ... In article , ) wrote: Buy a $100 used car - 70s Buick or similar. Keep it licensed, inspected, and parked beside the road in the Target Zone. You might also put a reflective red stripe down it's flanks. After it gets wacked, collect insurance, sell car for scrap, replace car, pocket difference. New Game I love it, best idea so far ![]() -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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