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B&S Engine starts but won't run
Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432
Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote: Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary The main jet in the bottom of the carb is plugged. 99.99% |
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On 8/28/2016 7:03 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary My first thought is that it is gummed-up with varnish and other gasoline products. There is a product called "Gumout" carb ceaner that has worked well for me many times. https://gumout.com/maintenance-aeros...choke-cleaner/ |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote: Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary Ive got (3) B&S engines with the same issues I need to also correct. Ill be watching this thread with interest. Pressure washer 5kw generator Emglow air compressor Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. If there's gas in the bowl and it's not reaching the intake something is plugged, whether you can see it or not. If no better ideas come up I'd try dunking the casting (disassembled as far as it'll go) in a pot of Pine-Sol on a hotplate outdoors. It's a fairly aggressive treatment, if you have access to an ultrasonic cleaner that would be a good, cautious first step. Boiling Pine-Sol etches zinc rather harshly, removing galvanizing from steel and leaving brass jets pink. It'll likely do the same to zinc-based die casting alloys. A little etch might be ok, a lot is apt to be destructive. I used this method on carbs for a Suzuki SV650S and it cured a rough slow running problem very neatly, at the cost of removing all the surface zinc on both jets and brackets. hth, bob prohaska |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:23:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary wrote: Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary Ive got (3) B&S engines with the same issues I need to also correct. Ill be watching this thread with interest. Pressure washer 5kw generator Emglow air compressor Get a 1 or 5 gal bucket ($25-$200) of Berryman's Carb Dip. Strip and dip the carbs. Gumout works for gooey, but doesn't work at all for hardened deposits. Ditto my fave carb cleaner, Berryman's B-12 Chemtool. It's great, but not good enough for hardened crap. Hmm, looking at the SDS on both, I think the Greenies killed CarbDip. Maybe the Chemtool is the better of the two now, and Gumout tried to copy Chemtool. https://www.berrymanproducts.com/ass...96-SDS-R01.pdf https://www.berrymanproducts.com/ass...20-SDS-R01.pdf http://schmeling.com/msds/gumout_carburator_cleaner.pdf In any case, for you, Gunner, you'll likely have to import anything which will actually work. The R O Kalifornia bans the good stuff. -- The great thing about getting older is that you don't lose all the other ages you've been. -- Madeleine L'Engle |
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THANK YOU everybody.
Took off carb one more time thinking that the bowl fastener probably functions also as a gas inlet. (I've seen that before ) Wrong! But I found a tiny,tiny jet perpendicular to the gas flow that was plugged. A sewing needle and a hammer unclogged it, and the machine purrs rather nicely Thank you for pointing me to 'supply' problem. Ivan Vegvary |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:25:47 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:23:43 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary wrote: Briggs & Stratton one cylinder OHV Model 185432 Simpson Pressure Washer Not used for 9 years. Starts on first pull and runs as long as I keep spraying gas on the air filter. Cleaned carburetor (blew with compressed air). Bowl was clean, carb seems spotless. Does not seem to be anything to take apart on this one-piece casting except for what seems to be an air jet accessible from the top. Any ideas on what might be going on? Carb bowl always full. Needle float valve seems to be in very good condition. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Ivan Vegvary Ive got (3) B&S engines with the same issues I need to also correct. Ill be watching this thread with interest. Pressure washer 5kw generator Emglow air compressor Get a 1 or 5 gal bucket ($25-$200) of Berryman's Carb Dip. Strip and dip the carbs. Gumout works for gooey, but doesn't work at all for hardened deposits. Ditto my fave carb cleaner, Berryman's B-12 Chemtool. It's great, but not good enough for hardened crap. Hmm, looking at the SDS on both, I think the Greenies killed CarbDip. Maybe the Chemtool is the better of the two now, and Gumout tried to copy Chemtool. https://www.berrymanproducts.com/ass...96-SDS-R01.pdf https://www.berrymanproducts.com/ass...20-SDS-R01.pdf http://schmeling.com/msds/gumout_carburator_cleaner.pdf In any case, for you, Gunner, you'll likely have to import anything which will actually work. The R O Kalifornia bans the good stuff. A dine wite. like used on tags, poked up the jet dets the jod ctarted, then dode the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. Run ethanol free (generally premium) fuel - treated with SeaFoam particularly for storage - and run the carb cry for long term storage. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote:
A dine wite. like used on tags, poked up the jet dets the jod ctarted, then dode the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. Huh? "Mr. Weld, there are exactly three types of weapons of mass destruction: nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. Under which category does an AR-15, or any other firearm, fall? I, for one, would love to see a demonstration of, say, a nuclear-tipped 5.56mm round." Mark Walker --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: .... So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? I've seen this: http://www.jeepz.com/forum/all-other...ned-jelly.html --jsw |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? Greenies wherever there is any copper content - including brass jets. Greenies plug jets. Hooch absorbs water too - when things cool off you get phase separation - which leaves water in the bottom of the tank and float bowl - which rusts out the tank or float bowl eventually - and makes it hard to start the engine on the short term. Water doesn't burn very well.. The hooch is hard on some fuel lines and gaskets too - as well as diaphragms in "regulator" carbs. I've run across more than one instance of every one of these - not on MY equipment mind you - I stay clear of ethanol fuel for small engines (and airplanes) |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:03 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Typing in half-light on a keyboard with half the letters worn off and a strange feel - with a couple of previously mashed pinkies thrown in. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:39:57 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? Greenies wherever there is any copper content - including brass jets. Greenies plug jets. Hooch absorbs water too - when things cool off you get phase separation - which leaves water in the bottom of the tank and float bowl - which rusts out the tank or float bowl eventually - and makes it hard to start the engine on the short term. Water doesn't burn very well.. The hooch is hard on some fuel lines and gaskets too - as well as diaphragms in "regulator" carbs. I've run across more than one instance of every one of these - not on MY equipment mind you - I stay clear of ethanol fuel for small engines (and airplanes) Its nearly impossible to find non-hooch gas here in California. None close by, according to my research...close by being less than 100 miles. Is av gas hooched up too? There is a small airport here in town...not sure if theywould want to sell 5 gallons though..into a gas can. Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:39:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? Greenies wherever there is any copper content - including brass jets. Greenies plug jets. Hooch absorbs water too - when things cool off you get phase separation - which leaves water in the bottom of the tank and float bowl - which rusts out the tank or float bowl eventually - and makes it hard to start the engine on the short term. Water doesn't burn very well.. The hooch is hard on some fuel lines and gaskets too - as well as diaphragms in "regulator" carbs. I've run across more than one instance of every one of these - not on MY equipment mind you - I stay clear of ethanol fuel for small engines (and airplanes) Its nearly impossible to find non-hooch gas here in California. None close by, according to my research...close by being less than 100 miles. Is av gas hooched up too? There is a small airport here in town...not sure if theywould want to sell 5 gallons though..into a gas can. Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus AvGas is hooch free, but has several times more lead than the old Sunoco 260. Marinas usually have hooch free mid grade.. Any airport with mo-gas for STC will be hooch free. |
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... On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:................... AvGas is hooch free, but has several times more lead than the old Sunoco 260. Marinas usually have hooch free mid grade.. Any airport with mo-gas for STC will be hooch free. http://www.shell.com/business-custom...uel/avgas.html The lead content will ruin your catalytic converter if you put it in a car. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? Better. But 'Effin New Electron, like FNG? giggle -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:30:55 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Typing in half-light on a keyboard with half the letters worn off and a strange feel - with a couple of previously mashed pinkies thrown in. We can't help the half-light or old mashers, but if you get a new keyboard with the nibs still on F and J, that should help. http://tinyurl.com/guuhchh $13.59, delivered! I should get one myself. Me nibs're gone, too. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:29:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: .... So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? I've seen this: http://www.jeepz.com/forum/all-other...ned-jelly.html Strange, wot? I've never seen anything like it in anything I've rebuilt, and the count has to be over 50 through the years. Thin slime from water/algae buildup in long-stored vehicles was the worst I ran into. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:39:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? Greenies wherever there is any copper content - including brass jets. Greenies plug jets. Hooch absorbs water too - when things cool off you get phase separation - which leaves water in the bottom of the tank and float bowl - which rusts out the tank or float bowl eventually - and makes it hard to start the engine on the short term. Water doesn't burn very well.. The hooch is hard on some fuel lines and gaskets too - as well as diaphragms in "regulator" carbs. I've run across more than one instance of every one of these - not on MY equipment mind you - I stay clear of ethanol fuel for small engines (and airplanes) Its nearly impossible to find non-hooch gas here in California. None close by, according to my research...close by being less than 100 miles. Is av gas hooched up too? There is a small airport here in town...not sure if theywould want to sell 5 gallons though..into a gas can. When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:36:30 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:39:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? Greenies wherever there is any copper content - including brass jets. Greenies plug jets. Hooch absorbs water too - when things cool off you get phase separation - which leaves water in the bottom of the tank and float bowl - which rusts out the tank or float bowl eventually - and makes it hard to start the engine on the short term. Water doesn't burn very well.. The hooch is hard on some fuel lines and gaskets too - as well as diaphragms in "regulator" carbs. I've run across more than one instance of every one of these - not on MY equipment mind you - I stay clear of ethanol fuel for small engines (and airplanes) Its nearly impossible to find non-hooch gas here in California. None close by, according to my research...close by being less than 100 miles. Is av gas hooched up too? There is a small airport here in town...not sure if theywould want to sell 5 gallons though..into a gas can. Gunner --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus AvGas is hooch free, but has several times more lead than the old Sunoco 260. Marinas usually have hooch free mid grade.. Any airport with mo-gas for STC will be hooch free. I just paid $2.39.9/gal for regular 10% ethanol gas. Local sources of ethanol-free premium cost $4.69/gal. For weed-eater use, that's not a big hardship. But since I have yet to see any damage caused by regular gas, in any vehicle or implement, I continue to use the cheaper stuff instead. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:29:53 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: .... So, SeaFoam works to extend gas lifetime? Have you had trouble with ethanol gas? I mean, what kinds of trouble have you had? I've seen this: http://www.jeepz.com/forum/all-other...ned-jelly.html Strange, wot? I've never seen anything like it in anything I've rebuilt, and the count has to be over 50 through the years. Thin slime from water/algae buildup in long-stored vehicles was the worst I ran into. I saw this jelled crap in the carbs of a Kaw 250 Ninja . Comes from ethanol laced gas but i don't know why it does that other than age . -- Snag |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 07:22:35 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:................... AvGas is hooch free, but has several times more lead than the old Sunoco 260. Marinas usually have hooch free mid grade.. Any airport with mo-gas for STC will be hooch free. http://www.shell.com/business-custom...uel/avgas.html The lead content will ruin your catalytic converter if you put it in a car. When I worked for a Ford dealership in Vista in the '70s, a Pinto was towed in which was said to be running poorly. The mechanic diagnosed a plugged exhaust system. They had used leaded gas in the car for a long while, until it would still start but could barely run off-idle. When we ripped into the cat, we found the intake end of the honeycomb to be fused nearly shut. That was a hoot. I still have the piece around here somewhere. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:05:53 -0700
Larry Jaques wrote: snip I just paid $2.39.9/gal for regular 10% ethanol gas. Local sources of ethanol-free premium cost $4.69/gal. For weed-eater use, that's not a big hardship. But since I have yet to see any damage caused by regular gas, in any vehicle or implement, I continue to use the cheaper stuff instead. It usually costs a bit more but there are places offering gas without alcohol and not just premium stuff. Some are listed he http://pure-gas.org/ Maybe you'll see something there close by to check out. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate If you want ethanol-free gas, this is the list of stations that I see recommended most often. Tell Larry that there is a huge number of them in Oregon, and the most recent prices (last week) were running around $3.69. http://www.pure-gas.org/ NJ has only one ethanol-free dealer listed, and he's in the middle of the freaking Pine Barrens. d8-( I suspect, though, that they're missing a lot of marinas on the Jersey Shore that sell it. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 07:22:35 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:24 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:................... AvGas is hooch free, but has several times more lead than the old Sunoco 260. Marinas usually have hooch free mid grade.. Any airport with mo-gas for STC will be hooch free. http://www.shell.com/business-custom...uel/avgas.html The lead content will ruin your catalytic converter if you put it in a car. Who said anything about a car?? And the lead will foul the plugs and muffler on small engines too - which is why I said what I said. |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:17:54 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:30:55 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Typing in half-light on a keyboard with half the letters worn off and a strange feel - with a couple of previously mashed pinkies thrown in. We can't help the half-light or old mashers, but if you get a new keyboard with the nibs still on F and J, that should help. http://tinyurl.com/guuhchh $13.59, delivered! I should get one myself. Me nibs're gone, too. Salvation Army, Goodwill etc etc...have keyboards for a couple bucks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Leon Fisk wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:05:53 -0700 Larry Jaques wrote: snip I just paid $2.39.9/gal for regular 10% ethanol gas. Local sources of ethanol-free premium cost $4.69/gal. For weed-eater use, that's not a big hardship. But since I have yet to see any damage caused by regular gas, in any vehicle or implement, I continue to use the cheaper stuff instead. It usually costs a bit more but there are places offering gas without alcohol and not just premium stuff. Some are listed he http://pure-gas.org/ Maybe you'll see something there close by to check out. We buy 90%+ of our gas at one place , and they have both regular and premium w/o ethanol . They know what I'm going to buy when I pull up , premium non eth for the Harleys , regular non eth for the gas cans , cheap stuff for the car and truck . -- Snag |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:51:50 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:17:54 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:30:55 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Typing in half-light on a keyboard with half the letters worn off and a strange feel - with a couple of previously mashed pinkies thrown in. We can't help the half-light or old mashers, but if you get a new keyboard with the nibs still on F and J, that should help. http://tinyurl.com/guuhchh $13.59, delivered! I should get one myself. Me nibs're gone, too. Salvation Army, Goodwill etc etc...have keyboards for a couple bucks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus I've got about 20 spares at the one customer site and a few extras here at home too but they are all corded and this one is cordless. |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate So, how do you reduce smog when using 15% more fuel? It's all PC bull****. You add 10% ethanol to fuel and lose 15% fuel mileage, so you're still down 5% PLUS you have to make and buy the ethanol. Typical Algoreesque scheme, I tell ya. This morning I found out that it was the Oregon Global Warming Commission (what a farce) which caused us to be strapped with ethanol infected gasoline. Meanwhile, the corn going to make ethanol causes food prices to rise and all the while, the gov't is giving corn and ethanol producers windfall profits to make it. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:03:13 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate So, how do you reduce smog when using 15% more fuel? It's all PC bull****. You add 10% ethanol to fuel and lose 15% fuel mileage, so you're still down 5% PLUS you have to make and buy the ethanol. Typical Algoreesque scheme, I tell ya. This morning I found out that it was the Oregon Global Warming Commission (what a farce) which caused us to be strapped with ethanol infected gasoline. Meanwhile, the corn going to make ethanol causes food prices to rise and all the while, the gov't is giving corn and ethanol producers windfall profits to make it. If you're losing 15% of your gas mileage with E10, something is screwed up in your truck. Extensive testing shows around 3.7% average loss with E10. In fact, I think that a 15% loss with E10 is physically impossible, but stoichiometry is not my thing. If you want to see the results of some extensive testing with various blends, including with small, "non-road" engines, here's a summary: http://feerc.ornl.gov/pdfs/pub_int_b...t1_updated.pdf -- Ed Huntress |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:58:26 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:51:50 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:17:54 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:30:55 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:03 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:12 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:02:49 -0400, wrote: A fne wire. like used on tags, poked up the jet gets the job started, then dose the fuel with B-12 or Sea Foam and run on choke untill the jet clears. How's that?? (Grin) Much better!! Keyboard problem or did you mash a finger? Gunner, who has mashed a finger once or twice, causing him to type with a pencil eraser...slowly... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Typing in half-light on a keyboard with half the letters worn off and a strange feel - with a couple of previously mashed pinkies thrown in. We can't help the half-light or old mashers, but if you get a new keyboard with the nibs still on F and J, that should help. http://tinyurl.com/guuhchh $13.59, delivered! I should get one myself. Me nibs're gone, too. Salvation Army, Goodwill etc etc...have keyboards for a couple bucks. I've got about 20 spares at the one customer site and a few extras here at home too but they are all corded and this one is cordless. If you're a touch typist, simply dot the F and J keys with a mound of epoxy or fingernail polish, or superglue a rounded piece of broken key to the tops. If you're not a touch typist, shame on you. You should have learned that by now. When computers came out, I sure was glad I took typing in 9th grade. -- While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our creativity, or our glorious uniqueness. -- Gilda Radner |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:54:03 -0700, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
THANK YOU everybody. Took off carb one more time thinking that the bowl fastener probably functions also as a gas inlet. (I've seen that before ) Wrong! But I found a tiny,tiny jet perpendicular to the gas flow that was plugged. A sewing needle and a hammer unclogged it, and the machine purrs rather nicely Thank you for pointing me to 'supply' problem. Ivan Vegvary It's good to see the group getting on topic every once in a while. There's an amazing amount of internal combustion engine diagnosis that you can do if you just remember that fire needs fuel, air, and heat to burn, and that an internal combustion engine without fire is just an air pump. Air needs to get in, fuel needs to get in, the air & fuel need to be heated up to ignition temperature, it has to be able to work on the piston, and then it has to be expelled before the cycle repeats. If one of those is missing, it ain't gonna work. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com I'm looking for work -- see my website! |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. When Oregon mandated oxygenated (ethanol) gas in 2004?, my gas mileage went down 15%. If I have to burn 15% more gas when using 10% ethanol, how can that -possibly- be better for the environment or the attempt to stop importing foreign oil for fuel? Especially when ethanol has been proven to consume more energy to create than it gives back? I'd like to whup these idiots upside the haid, I would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate So, how do you reduce smog when using 15% more fuel? It's all PC bull****. You add 10% ethanol to fuel and lose 15% fuel mileage, so you're still down 5% PLUS you have to make and buy the ethanol. Typical Algoreesque scheme, I tell ya. This morning I found out that it was the Oregon Global Warming Commission (what a farce) which caused us to be strapped with ethanol infected gasoline. Meanwhile, the corn going to make ethanol causes food prices to rise and all the while, the gov't is giving corn and ethanol producers windfall profits to make it. "This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper" T.S.Eliot, "The Hollow Men" |
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