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On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:11:01 -0800, "Fred C. Dobbs"
wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:08 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:39:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: All my life, I consider what my friends think of me to be a mirror of my own activity, and so long as I'm a decent friend, that mirror will be pretty reliable most of the time. Racists tend to have racist friends, because "racist" - a meaningless left-wing swearword. Racists are ignorant - like you and Steve B, both of whom imagine that nobody can figure out that you're as helpless in real life as you are here. |
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On 1/3/2013 9:57 AM, little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*,
****ed away some more of his worthless time in Usenet with: It's obvious that ....that little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*, doesn't actually *do* anything with CAD/CAM. He's a *fraud*. He just ****es away the hours in Usenet, and collects a few more LinkedIn "friends". -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On 1/3/2013 9:57 AM, little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*,
****ed away some more of his worthless time in Usenet with: It's obvious that ....that little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*, doesn't actually *do* anything with CAD/CAM. He's a *fraud*. He just ****es away the hours in Usenet, and collects a few more LinkedIn "friends". -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On 1/3/2013 9:57 AM, little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*,
****ed away some more of his worthless time in Usenet with: It's obvious that ....that little jonny "bozo" banqueer, CAD/CAM *FRAUD*, doesn't actually *do* anything with CAD/CAM. He's a *fraud*. He just ****es away the hours in Usenet, and collects a few more LinkedIn "friends". -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On 1/3/2013 10:35 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:11:01 -0800, "Fred C. Dobbs" wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:08 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:39:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: All my life, I consider what my friends think of me to be a mirror of my own activity, and so long as I'm a decent friend, that mirror will be pretty reliable most of the time. Racists tend to have racist friends, because "racist" - a meaningless left-wing swearword. Racists are ignorant - Racists are left-wingers: those who think race matters. Stupid ****-eating leftists like you, for example. -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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"jon_banquer" wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 9:58 am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: ... The college boys stopped fighting them and made me the shop liaison, partly because if they made too much trouble I could do the job at home or bid it out to experimental shops I'd worked with in the past. -For the twenty years I've been machining there has always been a wall -between engineering and machining. I don't see any improvement coming -in this area anytime soon. I started at an auto industry custom machinery builder after the Army and asked if I could try working up to engineer, so they ran me through the sheet metal, machine shop, drafting and assembly departments before apprenticing me to an EE. Then a recession killed them so I've more or less repeated the process at several interesting but risky startups. The result is that I can take a proposal and budget and come back a few months later with a finished prototype ready for production. In my experience most of the non-technical employees in a high-tech company are defensive and insecure about their jobs and need to be handled carefully. The funny one was the way computer support reacted to lab techs who knew considerably more about electronics and computers but were too busy to mess with them. The IT guys couldn't have been more wary of us if we had Doberman fangs. |
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"jon_banquer" wrote in message
... -Arrogant, ignorant engineers who don't understand machining and who -don't think they need to learn anything from a machinist calling for -needless small radius's in the bottom of deep pockets. They whine like -spoiled little bitches when their part is so expensive / takes to long -to machine. That too, electrical engineers in particular learn next to nothing of mechanical subjects. I had to show one how to clamp a block in a vise, and explain Pemnuts to a highly respected mechanical engineering professor. |
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On 1/3/2013 10:58 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"jon_banquer" wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 9:58 am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: ... The college boys stopped fighting them and made me the shop liaison, partly because if they made too much trouble I could do the job at home or bid it out to experimental shops I'd worked with in the past. -For the twenty years I've been machining there has always been a wall -between engineering and machining. I don't see any improvement coming -in this area anytime soon. I started at an auto industry custom machinery builder after the Army and asked if I could try working up to engineer, so they ran me through the sheet metal, machine shop, drafting and assembly departments before apprenticing me to an EE. Then a recession killed them so I've more or less repeated the process at several interesting but risky startups. The result is that I can take a proposal and budget and come back a few months later with a finished prototype ready for production. In my experience most of the non-technical employees in a high-tech company are defensive and insecure about their jobs and need to be handled carefully. The funny one was the way computer support reacted to lab techs who knew considerably more about electronics and computers but were too busy to mess with them. The IT guys couldn't have been more wary of us if we had Doberman fangs. Fangs like these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4H0WfuiM8 - about 3:53 into it. -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On Jan 3, 10:35*am, whoyakidding's ghost
wrote: On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:11:01 -0800, "Fred C. Dobbs" wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:08 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:39:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: All my life, I consider what my friends think of me to be a mirror of my own activity, and so long as I'm a decent friend, that mirror will be pretty reliable most of the time. Racists tend to have racist friends, because "racist" - a meaningless left-wing swearword. Racists are ignorant - like you and Steve B, both of whom imagine that nobody can figure out that you're as helpless in real life as you are here. Trying to figure out whether Steve B. or Fred C. Dobbs is more ignorant is not an easy task. |
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On Jan 3, 11:11*am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:
"jon_banquer" wrote in message ... -Arrogant, ignorant engineers who don't understand machining and who -don't think they need to learn anything from a machinist calling for -needless small radius's in the bottom of deep pockets. They whine like -spoiled little bitches when their part is so expensive / takes to long -to machine. That too, electrical engineers in particular learn next to nothing of mechanical subjects. I had to show one how to clamp a block in a vise, and explain Pemnuts to a highly respected mechanical engineering professor. I spent over two years working in Qualcomm's machine shop. It was a very small prototype machine shop. There were only three of us and all of us had to deal directly with whatever Qualcomm engineer wanted parts made. We all had to quote the part, program the job, machine the part, make all the arrangements for whatever the part needed (anodizing, heat treat, etc.) as well as handle packaging and shipping of the part. The majority of parts I programmed and machined were designed by Qualcomm's electrical engineers. We have very serious issues with manufacturing in America that other countries like Germany seem to be much better at than we are. We also have a very serious problem with machining education in America. When I got into the machining trade in 1993 the apprenticeship programs that companies like Pratt and Whitney had were being discontinued / phased out. Like most other machinists who got into the trade at the time I did and who wanted a well rounded education I moved from shop to shop doing new and different parts using different methods, machines and CADCAM programming systems. |
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On 1/3/2013 11:54 AM, Jonathan Banquer wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:35 am, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:11:01 -0800, "Fred C. Dobbs" wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:08 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:39:52 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: All my life, I consider what my friends think of me to be a mirror of my own activity, and so long as I'm a decent friend, that mirror will be pretty reliable most of the time. Racists tend to have racist friends, because "racist" - a meaningless left-wing swearword. Racists are ignorant - like you and Steve B, both of whom imagine that nobody can figure out that you're as helpless in real life as you are here. Trying to figure out ....figure out if you know *anything* about CAD/CAM is like pulling teeth. I don't think you do. You're a dabbler. -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On Jan 3, 12:09*pm, Jonathan Banquer
wrote: On Jan 3, 11:11*am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "jon_banquer" wrote in message ... -Arrogant, ignorant engineers who don't understand machining and who -don't think they need to learn anything from a machinist calling for -needless small radius's in the bottom of deep pockets. They whine like -spoiled little bitches when their part is so expensive / takes to long -to machine. That too, electrical engineers in particular learn next to nothing of mechanical subjects. I had to show one how to clamp a block in a vise, and explain Pemnuts to a highly respected mechanical engineering professor. I spent over two years working in Qualcomm's machine shop. It was a very small prototype machine shop. There were only three of us and all of us had to deal directly with whatever Qualcomm engineer wanted parts made. We all had to quote the part, program the job, machine the part, make all the arrangements for whatever the part needed (anodizing, heat treat, etc.) as well as handle packaging and shipping of the part. The majority of parts I programmed and machined were designed by Qualcomm's electrical engineers. We have very serious issues with manufacturing in America that other countries like Germany seem to be much better at than we are. We also have a very serious problem with machining education in America. When I got into the machining trade in 1993 the apprenticeship programs that companies like Pratt and Whitney had were being discontinued / phased out. Like most other machinists who got into the trade at the time I did and who wanted a well rounded education I moved from shop to shop doing new and different parts using different methods, machines and CADCAM programming systems. Here is a picture of Qualcomm's small prototype machine shop. The sheet metal shop is attached to it. The toolbox setup you see in the picture is mine. My gauge pin library is on top of the side box on the right. http://s636.beta.photobucket.com/use...ml?sort=3&o=22 |
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On 1/3/2013 12:09 PM, Jonathan Banquer wrote:
On Jan 3, 11:11 am, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "jon_banquer" wrote in message ... -Arrogant, ignorant engineers who don't understand machining and who -don't think they need to learn anything from a machinist calling for -needless small radius's in the bottom of deep pockets. They whine like -spoiled little bitches when their part is so expensive / takes to long -to machine. That too, electrical engineers in particular learn next to nothing of mechanical subjects. I had to show one how to clamp a block in a vise, and explain Pemnuts to a highly respected mechanical engineering professor. I spent over two years working in Qualcomm's machine shop. It was a very small prototype machine shop. There were only three of us and all of us had to deal directly with whatever Qualcomm engineer wanted parts made. We all had to quote the part, program the job, machine the part, make all the arrangements for whatever the part needed (anodizing, heat treat, etc.) as well as handle packaging and shipping of the part. The majority of parts I programmed and machined were designed by Qualcomm's electrical engineers. We have very serious issues with manufacturing in America that other countries like Germany seem to be much better at than we are. That's because manufacturing in America is plagued with argumentative know-nothing ****wits like you. -- Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs. |
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On 2013-01-03, John B wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:08:40 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer wrote: On Jan 2, 4:59?pm, John B. wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:40:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Ignoramus24272" wrote in ... plonk Your loss... Considering that you're also seemingly incapable of tying your ****ing shoelaces without asking a bunch of stupid-assed-off-topic questions on a metalworking news group. And considering that you have never provided any evidence of any knowledge of metalworking while Iggy is smart enough to ask questions... plonk! John B. John B. would you please plonk me as well since you can't see that for years Iggy has done everything possible to run away from what he needs to do to build his machining skills. Iggy is focused on one thing and one thing only: buying stuff as cheap as he can. Not a bad skill to have but when it blinds you, like it blinds Iggy, towards paying the price and building his machining skills, I think it's a major problem. I guess he runs an Algebra help website and writes software and that's great but he seems to think he doesn't need adult eduction for machining, which is too bad because the Chicago area probably has some great programs for machining and for welding. He's tried to buy very high quality stuff that I sell dirt cheap from me and I told him forget it. I don't sell the high quality stuff I own for nothing. I guess he was insulted that I wouldn't lower my prices. Well, I've been here about as long as Iggy and I've certainly seen him post questions. But why not? Unless you happen to be one of those folks who "know everything" you will certainly, from time to time have a question to ask. Are you arguing that one should never help out anyone by answering their questions? As for "engineering skills", where did that come from? I don't believe Iggy ever claimed to be a machinist, or a welder for that matter, and why should he? He's not in the machine shop or welding shop business. Although I will say that instead of arguing about which version of CAM is the best he goes out and actually does something. In addition to "machining", sometimes I do "de-machining", too, say, right now we are parting out a 20" by 10' Lodge and Shipley lathe. I think that it is fun, I am not complaining about the money part, and I could not care less about opinions of uptight and underpaid John Banquer. i i |
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On 2013-01-03, Steve B wrote:
"Gunner" wrote I was here when he first came in and asked about how to do simple welding...probably 10-12 yrs ago. He has come a long way. Gunner If I recall, his first posts were about 7018 welding. And from what I see, he mastered that pretty well. And I see he's still asking questions, and learning. Unlike some here, who know it all. It has to be hard to be perfect. These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i |
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On Jan 3, 3:30*pm, Ignoramus9117
wrote: On 2013-01-03, John B wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:08:40 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer wrote: On Jan 2, 4:59?pm, John B. wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:40:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Ignoramus24272" wrote in ... plonk Your loss... Considering that you're also seemingly incapable of tying your ****ing shoelaces without asking a bunch of stupid-assed-off-topic questions on a metalworking news group. And considering that you have never provided any evidence of any knowledge of metalworking while Iggy is smart enough to ask questions... plonk! John B. John B. would you please plonk me as well since you can't see that for years Iggy has done everything possible to run away from what he needs to do to build his machining skills. Iggy is focused on one thing and one thing only: buying stuff as cheap as he can. Not a bad skill to have but when it blinds you, like it blinds Iggy, towards paying the price and building his machining skills, I think it's a major problem. I guess he runs an Algebra help website and writes software and that's great but he seems to think he doesn't need adult eduction for machining, which is too bad because the Chicago area probably has some great programs for machining and for welding. He's tried to buy very high quality stuff that I sell dirt cheap from me and I told him forget it. I don't sell the high quality stuff I own for nothing. I guess he was insulted that I wouldn't lower my prices. Well, I've been here about as long as Iggy and I've certainly seen him post questions. But why not? Unless you happen to be one of those folks who "know everything" you will certainly, from time to time have a question to ask. Are you arguing that one should never help out anyone by answering their questions? As for "engineering skills", where did that come from? I don't believe Iggy ever claimed to be a machinist, or a welder for that matter, and why should he? He's not in the machine shop or welding shop business. *Although I will say that instead of arguing about which version of CAM is the best he goes out and actually does something. In addition to "machining", sometimes I do "de-machining", too, say, right now we are parting out a 20" by 10' Lodge and Shipley lathe. I think that it is fun, I am not complaining about the money part, and I could not care less about opinions of uptight and underpaid John Banquer. i i How do I pronounce your last name again? http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/681...hristoph-waltz |
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"Jonathan Banquer" wrote in message
... -I spent over two years working in Qualcomm's machine shop. It was a -very small prototype machine shop. There were only three of us and all -of us had to deal directly with whatever Qualcomm engineer wanted -parts made. We all had to quote the part, program the job, machine the -part, make all the arrangements for whatever the part needed -(anodizing, heat treat, etc.) as well as handle packaging and shipping -of the part. The majority of parts I programmed and machined were -designed by Qualcomm's electrical engineers. Hmm. Drs Bernard Sklar and Andrew Viterbi were VERY highly regarded by the Ph.D. engineers and mathematicians at Mitre. I attended Dr Sklar's two week short course in digital communications theory and have never before or since struggled so hard to understand something. I knew I was in trouble when he asked for a numerical energy value of the entropy of a data pattern. My Chemistry degree had been relatively light on calculus and advanced statistics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viterbi_algorithm |
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On Jan 3, 4:01*pm, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:
"Jonathan Banquer" wrote in message ... -I spent over two years working in Qualcomm's machine shop. It was a -very small prototype machine shop. There were only three of us and all -of us had to deal directly with whatever Qualcomm engineer wanted -parts made. We all had to quote the part, program the job, machine the -part, make all the arrangements for whatever the part needed -(anodizing, heat treat, etc.) as well as handle packaging and shipping -of the part. The majority of parts I programmed and machined were -designed by Qualcomm's electrical engineers. Hmm. Drs Bernard Sklar and Andrew Viterbi were VERY highly regarded by the Ph.D. engineers and mathematicians at Mitre. I attended Dr Sklar's two week short course in digital communications theory and have never before or since struggled so hard to understand something. I knew I was in trouble when he asked for a numerical energy value of the entropy of a data pattern. My Chemistry degree had been relatively light on calculus and advanced statistics.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viterbi_algorithm Viterbi was long gone when I worked for Qualcomm. I don't think he has had much to do with Qualcomm for many years now and has moved on. So have I. |
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"Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. Steve |
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On Jan 3, 6:24*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. *I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. Steve God forbid either of these two ****ing morons finally get a clue and check out Welding Tips And Tricks.com http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/ Anyone want to wager on if either will ever get of their ass and take adult education for welding? |
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On 2013-01-04, Steve B wrote:
"Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. A 7 year old can use 6013 |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:48:25 -0600, Ignoramus9117
wrote: On 2013-01-04, Steve B wrote: "Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. A 7 year old can use 6013 It's commonly referred to as "farmer's rod." http://www.ehow.com/list_7553038_sti...-types.htmland It's a popular choice for AC only machines and for thin work. It's frequently used for early stick training. And it was no surprise to me that alleged experienced weldor SteveB has yet to sample it. |
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On Jan 4, 7:19*am, whoyakidding's ghost
wrote: On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:48:25 -0600, Ignoramus9117 wrote: On 2013-01-04, Steve B wrote: "Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. *I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. A 7 year old can use 6013 It's commonly referred to as "farmer's rod."http://www.ehow.com/list_7553038_stick-welding-rod-types.htmlandIt's a popular choice for AC only machines and for thin work. It's frequently used for early stick training. And it was no surprise to me that alleged experienced weldor SteveB has yet to sample it. There is a high school kid living on a farm that does You Tube welding videos that both of these losers would greatly benefit from: https://www.youtube.com/user/ChuckE2009 Just one of his videos contains more helpful advice on welding then Gunner and his cult of morons have ever posted to Usenet: |
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"whoyakidding's ghost" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:48:25 -0600, Ignoramus9117 wrote: On 2013-01-04, Steve B wrote: "Ignoramus9117" wrote These days I use more 6013 for quick and easy stuff. i I WILL have to go buy a few pounds and try it out. I keep hearing it's so good, maybe I'm missing something. A 7 year old can use 6013 It's commonly referred to as "farmer's rod." http://www.ehow.com/list_7553038_sti...-types.htmland It's a popular choice for AC only machines and for thin work. It's frequently used for early stick training. And it was no surprise to me that alleged experienced weldor SteveB has yet to sample it. Real farmers know how to use a coat hanger. -- |
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