Ignoramus26219 wrote:

I am not even sure if Tim McVeigh killed more liberals than
non-Liberals. I mean, they were government employees residing in
Oklahoma City. Chances are that most of them were not liberals.
McVeigh, like the Oslo killer, simply picked the easiest target.

It was an IRS office, and so fair game.

And he had no way to know that there would be children in the
building at a time in the wee hours of the morning when most people
are still asleep.

But, they did investigate, and capture and prosecute the perp.

That's what they should have done re 9/11, (investigate and
find and prosecute the perp(s)), not used it as an excuse to
start another eternal war.

Thanks,
Rich

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:30:35 -0500, Ignoramus26219

I am not even sure if Tim McVeigh killed more liberals than
non-Liberals. I mean, they were government employees residing in
Oklahoma City. Chances are that most of them were not liberals.
McVeigh, like the Oslo killer, simply picked the easiest target.

I'd be willing to bet that most BIG GOV'T workers are, indeed,
liberals, Ig.

Does anyone have stats on that?

I wonder if anyone has stats on how many of the 9/11 victims were
lawyers. Lawyers seem to have a tendency to proliferate in tall
buildings.

Thanks,
Rich

Steve B wrote:
"Larry Jaques"

I'd be willing to bet that most BIG GOV'T workers are, indeed,
liberals, Ig.

Does anyone have stats on that?

I would bet the pre-employment screening process and background check
would
eliminate any riff raff trying to enter public service. Lock steppers
MUST all be on the same page, and I've noticed more than a lot of lock
stepping
in government. Even in the media with their word du jour, which can be a
phrase, but it has never been heard before, and then is heard hundreds of
times in two days relating to any "news" event. I really think there's a
secret e mailer in Washington, and a secret e mail list, and these words
and
phrases are sent out daily. It's just too big a coincidence with the
octillions of combinations of words in the English vocabulary.

Of course, I could be wrong, too.

I think it's merely the 100th monkey phenomenon:
http://www.wowzone.com/monkey.htm

Cheers!
Rich

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus26219 wrote:

I am not even sure if Tim McVeigh killed more liberals than
non-Liberals. I mean, they were government employees residing in
Oklahoma City. Chances are that most of them were not liberals.
McVeigh, like the Oslo killer, simply picked the easiest target.

It was an IRS office, and so fair game.

And he had no way to know that there would be children in the
building at a time in the wee hours of the morning when most people
are still asleep.

But, they did investigate, and capture and prosecute the perp.

That's what they should have done re 9/11, (investigate and
find and prosecute the perp(s)), not used it as an excuse to
start another eternal war.

Duh...they were dead.

--
Ed Huntress


Thanks,
Rich

CaveLamb wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 4:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:38:21 -0400, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2011 5:50 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

id wrote in
message
...
On 2011-07-24, Steve wrote:
id wrote in
message
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...pe/24oslo.html

``He predicted a conflagration that would kill or injure more than
a
million ??oMarxists/multiculturalists,??? but added: ??oThe time
for
dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed
resistance has come.???

Mr. Breivik was also believed to have posted a video on Friday,
calling for Christian conservatives in Europe to rise up violently
as
a modern-day version of the Crusades-era Knights Templar to save
Europe from Islamic totalitarianism. In its closing moments, the
video
depicts Mr. Breivik in military uniform, holding assault weapons.''
I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some of
our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of freedom
shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.
Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in Tulsa
at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i
What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government was
taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were
stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was
referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the
responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly, but
the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

Steve

As sad and horrific as it is..the practical facts of the matter is..1
guy murdered some 90 people. Which is pretty good planning


Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

Who dreams about finding 90 unarmed victims? Who wants EVERYBODY to be
unarmed victims?
Dreams about? As for who wants EVERYBODY to be unarmed victims...that
would be the Leftwingers.

If any of the adults on that island had been armed...the body count
would have been much..much smaller.

Like having a school bus crash and only a few killed.

Shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Yet leftists portray legally armed, trained citizens as terrorists while
giving a free pass to leftist murderers, rapists, thieves, voting poll
intimidators, etc.

Uh, Tawwwwwwm, it's the righties who say there's going to be a "great cull"
shooting rampage against the left. The right is bragging about the upcoming
terror assault. Update your program.

snip


Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

CaveLamb wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 4:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:38:21 -0400, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2011 5:50 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

id wrote in
message
...
On 2011-07-24, Steve wrote:
id wrote in
message
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...pe/24oslo.html

``He predicted a conflagration that would kill or injure more
than
a
million ??oMarxists/multiculturalists,??? but added: ??oThe
time
for
dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed
resistance has come.???

Mr. Breivik was also believed to have posted a video on Friday,
calling for Christian conservatives in Europe to rise up
violently
as
a modern-day version of the Crusades-era Knights Templar to
save
Europe from Islamic totalitarianism. In its closing moments,
the
video
depicts Mr. Breivik in military uniform, holding assault
weapons.''
I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some
of
our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of
freedom
shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.
Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in
Tulsa
at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i
What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government
was
taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were
stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was
referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the
responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly,
but
the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

Steve

As sad and horrific as it is..the practical facts of the matter
is..1
guy murdered some 90 people. Which is pretty good planning


Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

Who dreams about finding 90 unarmed victims? Who wants EVERYBODY to
be
unarmed victims?
Dreams about? As for who wants EVERYBODY to be unarmed
victims...that
would be the Leftwingers.

If any of the adults on that island had been armed...the body count
would have been much..much smaller.

Like having a school bus crash and only a few killed.

Shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Yet leftists portray legally armed, trained citizens as terrorists
while
giving a free pass to leftist murderers, rapists, thieves, voting poll
intimidators, etc.

Uh, Tawwwwwwm, it's the righties who say there's going to be a "great
cull"
shooting rampage against the left. The right is bragging about the
upcoming
terror assault. Update your program.

snip


Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

Right you are.

But there was an interesting study done lately that showed almost everyone
has a distinct leaning to one party or the other. They're just embarrassed
to be identified with them, because both parties say and do some stupid
things. So they avoid criticism and having to defend either side by
declaring themselves "independents."

They're not really independent, in other words. But they are centrists, and
they may, on occasion, vote for the party they lean against.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

CaveLamb wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 4:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:38:21 -0400, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 7/24/2011 5:50 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

id wrote in
message
...
On 2011-07-24, Steve wrote:
id wrote in
message
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...pe/24oslo.html

``He predicted a conflagration that would kill or injure more
than
a
million ??oMarxists/multiculturalists,??? but added: ??oThe
time
for
dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed
resistance has come.???

Mr. Breivik was also believed to have posted a video on Friday,
calling for Christian conservatives in Europe to rise up
violently
as
a modern-day version of the Crusades-era Knights Templar to
save
Europe from Islamic totalitarianism. In its closing moments,
the
video
depicts Mr. Breivik in military uniform, holding assault
weapons.''
I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some
of
our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of
freedom
shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.
Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in
Tulsa
at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i
What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government
was
taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were
stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was
referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the
responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly,
but
the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

Steve

As sad and horrific as it is..the practical facts of the matter
is..1
guy murdered some 90 people. Which is pretty good planning


Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

Who dreams about finding 90 unarmed victims? Who wants EVERYBODY to
be
unarmed victims?
Dreams about? As for who wants EVERYBODY to be unarmed
victims...that
would be the Leftwingers.

If any of the adults on that island had been armed...the body count
would have been much..much smaller.

Like having a school bus crash and only a few killed.

Shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Yet leftists portray legally armed, trained citizens as terrorists
while
giving a free pass to leftist murderers, rapists, thieves, voting poll
intimidators, etc.

Uh, Tawwwwwwm, it's the righties who say there's going to be a "great
cull"
shooting rampage against the left. The right is bragging about the
upcoming
terror assault. Update your program.

snip


Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

Right you are.

But there was an interesting study done lately that showed almost everyone
has a distinct leaning to one party or the other. They're just embarrassed
to be identified with them, because both parties say and do some stupid
things. So they avoid criticism and having to defend either side by
declaring themselves "independents."

They're not really independent, in other words. But they are centrists, and
they may, on occasion, vote for the party they lean against.

I guess I'm not "almost everyone" since I definitely have no distinct
leaning towards either wing. I certainly have positions that mesh with
one side or another (i.e. pro choice and pro gun), but they average to
center.

In article , lid
says...

Ignoramus26219 wrote:

I am not even sure if Tim McVeigh killed more liberals than
non-Liberals. I mean, they were government employees residing in
Oklahoma City. Chances are that most of them were not liberals.
McVeigh, like the Oslo killer, simply picked the easiest target.

It was an IRS office, and so fair game.

And he had no way to know that there would be children in the
building at a time in the wee hours of the morning when most people
are still asleep.

But, they did investigate, and capture and prosecute the perp.

That's what they should have done re 9/11, (investigate and
find and prosecute the perp(s)), not used it as an excuse to
start another eternal war.

So how do you "investigate and find and prosecute the perp(s)" when the
perps are hiding in a country that refuses to cooperate in the
invetigation and shoots at your investigators?

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
.com...

CaveLamb wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 4:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:38:21 -0400, Tom Gardnermars@tacks
wrote:

On 7/24/2011 5:50 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

id wrote
in
message
...
On 2011-07-24, Steve wrote:
id wrote
in
message
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...pe/24oslo.html

``He predicted a conflagration that would kill or injure
more
than
a
million ??oMarxists/multiculturalists,??? but added: ??oThe
time
for
dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed
resistance has come.???

Mr. Breivik was also believed to have posted a video on
Friday,
calling for Christian conservatives in Europe to rise up
violently
as
a modern-day version of the Crusades-era Knights Templar to
save
Europe from Islamic totalitarianism. In its closing moments,
the
video
depicts Mr. Breivik in military uniform, holding assault
weapons.''
I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to
some
of
our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of
freedom
shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.
Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in
Tulsa
at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i
What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the
government
was
taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were
stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was
referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the
responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and
lowly,
but
the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

Steve

As sad and horrific as it is..the practical facts of the matter
is..1
guy murdered some 90 people. Which is pretty good planning


Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

Who dreams about finding 90 unarmed victims? Who wants EVERYBODY
to
be
unarmed victims?
Dreams about? As for who wants EVERYBODY to be unarmed
victims...that
would be the Leftwingers.

If any of the adults on that island had been armed...the body
count
would have been much..much smaller.

Like having a school bus crash and only a few killed.

Shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Yet leftists portray legally armed, trained citizens as terrorists
while
giving a free pass to leftist murderers, rapists, thieves, voting
poll
intimidators, etc.

Uh, Tawwwwwwm, it's the righties who say there's going to be a
"great
cull"
shooting rampage against the left. The right is bragging about the
upcoming
terror assault. Update your program.

snip


Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of
centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

Right you are.

But there was an interesting study done lately that showed almost
everyone
has a distinct leaning to one party or the other. They're just
embarrassed
to be identified with them, because both parties say and do some stupid
things. So they avoid criticism and having to defend either side by
declaring themselves "independents."

They're not really independent, in other words. But they are centrists,
and
they may, on occasion, vote for the party they lean against.

I guess I'm not "almost everyone" since I definitely have no distinct
leaning towards either wing. I certainly have positions that mesh with
one side or another (i.e. pro choice and pro gun), but they average to
center.

I promise I won't ask you who you've voted for in the last few elections.
d8-)

However, that split you describe -- which is one that I share, BTW -- is
just the kind of disconnection I feel, and many people feel, with the party
postures. To me, being pro-choice and pro-gun are two ideas that are of a
single piece, since I'm strongly oriented toward civil liberties.

So I find both parties to be embarrassing. I can't get over the way they
pack seemingly unrelated ideas into an ideological box. My feeling is that
we share that view with a fairly large majority of Americans. At least, the
ones I know and interact with. And polls seem to confirm that those views
extend across the country.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:56:47 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:36:46 -0400, lid wrote:
AFAIK only Gunner and some of his pals are gearing up for a "cull"
(that being where I first heard mention of some supposed "cull"). They
are all stuck in the Left-Right paradigm and can't see the forest for
the trees.
Dave

So will you be murdered in the coming removal of Leftwingers?
Gunner

Do you have a pass-key/identification card granting you access to the
D.U.M.B.'s (Deep Underground Military Bunkers)? I didn't think you
did. You, therefore, (whether you want to believe it or not) are
slated for extermination. If you weren't, you would have such a
pass-key to the "Ark" of the survival bunkers.

And when the characters fomenting WW-III (or IV depending on how you
count them) get it fully under way (you are watching the very
beginnings even as we speak), you will be stuck on the planet's
surface in a nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare environment.
You, and billions like you, will die in most incomprehensible
fashions. Probably coughing up your bloody lung tissue from what ever
infectious biological plague agent they choose to release in your
area.

So don't think you are part of some chosen elite who will be fighting
to correct any of the world's ills through the righteousness of your
ideals and the effect of your military firepower. The people creating
the world's ills want you dead and have the WMD mechanisms in place to
carry their agenda out. It's called "eugenics" (look it up). You are
merely being used as a tool in their divide and conquer techniques of
global conquest. They must create infighting and division amongst the
masses so that the outcome of the created chaos can be controlled and
a new order imposed.

The masses are to be driven to ever more extreme positions on the Left
and Right. This will be accomplished through monetary policy, inflated
national debt, inflationary and deflationary spirals, imposition of
bizarre laws, and provocateured racial, religious, or other socially
fracturous incidents. Only then can the required chaos for the
creation of a new order come to a boil.

Personally, I am neither Left or Right. I am a Constitutionalist. I am
smart enough to see past the bought and paid for puppets of both the
Reps. and Dems. to the monetary puppet masters who have high-jacked
and are running the system of government. Try to get some concept of
the real power structure at the top of the pyramid. That is where the
actual policies being pursued are created (Council of 300, Bilderberg
Group, U.N., Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Rand
Corporation, etc.). The chosen political puppets merely implement
their master's policies for the meager monetary sums necessary to get
reelected and further their political careers while allowing
themselves to also financially profit from insider trading and special
business dealings. That is why, no matter whom you vote for at the
national level, things (say like foreign policy) NEVER change. And
they WILL never change until a critical mass of the people wake up to
the scam and take action. It may be too late already.

It amazes me that someone can attain you age, and yet, still be so
naive and blinded to the actual workings of the system.

Whatdaya think, the power structure sent you to SE Asia to fight
communism? No. They sent you for fun and profit. You see, there is a
military-industrial complex owned by them. They have to run
inventories (bombs, bullets, etc.) through their system to make a
profit and gain in political power and influence. Naturally, this
requires an ENEMY. If one is not convenient, they will MAKE one. They
will create a false-flag Gulf of Tonkin incident and kick off a war.

Just like they (and their neocon operatives) did with their false-flag
terrorist operations on 9-11.

They don't care if you and vast numbers of America's youth are killed
and maimed in their operations. You are scum to them......not even
legally a human being (they have a system of laws stemming from the
Talmud....look into it....and don't mistake the Talmud for the Torah,
they are NOT the same thing).

You are a mere tool to use and discard in pursuit of their "business"
agenda. And their "business" agenda is complete and total domination
of the entire world, its resources, and complete control over its
entire population......so an orderly extermination of most of the
(non-human to them) population can proceed and a New Order for the
Ages can be brought forth.

A New World Order under their complete and eternal control with no
possibility that it will ever be thrown off by a citizenry thirsting
for freedom. The very concept of freedom and free will will be
expunged from history much as many of Joseph Stalin's cronies were
officially expunged from ever having existed in the history of the
Soviet Union.....painted over in paintings and airbrushed out of
photographs.

Remember that when you're dying in the street coughing up your lungs
.....or wake up to the system now and agitate to uncover the treasonous
criminals running it. Seriously.
Dave

On 2011-07-25, Pete C. wrote:
Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

This is a very profound analysis. A+

i

wrote in message
news
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:56:47 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:36:46 -0400, lid wrote:
AFAIK only Gunner and some of his pals are gearing up for a "cull"
(that being where I first heard mention of some supposed "cull"). They
are all stuck in the Left-Right paradigm and can't see the forest for
the trees.
Dave

So will you be murdered in the coming removal of Leftwingers?
Gunner

Do you have a pass-key/identification card granting you access to the
D.U.M.B.'s (Deep Underground Military Bunkers)? I didn't think you
did. You, therefore, (whether you want to believe it or not) are
slated for extermination. If you weren't, you would have such a
pass-key to the "Ark" of the survival bunkers.

And when the characters fomenting WW-III (or IV depending on how you
count them) get it fully under way (you are watching the very
beginnings even as we speak), you will be stuck on the planet's
surface in a nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare environment.
You, and billions like you, will die in most incomprehensible
fashions. Probably coughing up your bloody lung tissue from what ever
infectious biological plague agent they choose to release in your
area.

So don't think you are part of some chosen elite who will be fighting
to correct any of the world's ills through the righteousness of your
ideals and the effect of your military firepower. The people creating
the world's ills want you dead and have the WMD mechanisms in place to
carry their agenda out. It's called "eugenics" (look it up). You are
merely being used as a tool in their divide and conquer techniques of
global conquest. They must create infighting and division amongst the
masses so that the outcome of the created chaos can be controlled and
a new order imposed.

The masses are to be driven to ever more extreme positions on the Left
and Right. This will be accomplished through monetary policy, inflated
national debt, inflationary and deflationary spirals, imposition of
bizarre laws, and provocateured racial, religious, or other socially
fracturous incidents. Only then can the required chaos for the
creation of a new order come to a boil.

Personally, I am neither Left or Right. I am a Constitutionalist. I am
smart enough to see past the bought and paid for puppets of both the
Reps. and Dems. to the monetary puppet masters who have high-jacked
and are running the system of government. Try to get some concept of
the real power structure at the top of the pyramid. That is where the
actual policies being pursued are created (Council of 300, Bilderberg
Group, U.N., Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Rand
Corporation, etc.). The chosen political puppets merely implement
their master's policies for the meager monetary sums necessary to get
reelected and further their political careers while allowing
themselves to also financially profit from insider trading and special
business dealings. That is why, no matter whom you vote for at the
national level, things (say like foreign policy) NEVER change. And
they WILL never change until a critical mass of the people wake up to
the scam and take action. It may be too late already.

It amazes me that someone can attain you age, and yet, still be so
naive and blinded to the actual workings of the system.

Whatdaya think, the power structure sent you to SE Asia to fight
communism? No. They sent you for fun and profit. You see, there is a
military-industrial complex owned by them. They have to run
inventories (bombs, bullets, etc.) through their system to make a
profit and gain in political power and influence. Naturally, this
requires an ENEMY. If one is not convenient, they will MAKE one. They
will create a false-flag Gulf of Tonkin incident and kick off a war.

Just like they (and their neocon operatives) did with their false-flag
terrorist operations on 9-11.

They don't care if you and vast numbers of America's youth are killed
and maimed in their operations. You are scum to them......not even
legally a human being (they have a system of laws stemming from the
Talmud....look into it....and don't mistake the Talmud for the Torah,
they are NOT the same thing).

You are a mere tool to use and discard in pursuit of their "business"
agenda. And their "business" agenda is complete and total domination
of the entire world, its resources, and complete control over its
entire population......so an orderly extermination of most of the
(non-human to them) population can proceed and a New Order for the
Ages can be brought forth.

A New World Order under their complete and eternal control with no
possibility that it will ever be thrown off by a citizenry thirsting
for freedom. The very concept of freedom and free will will be
expunged from history much as many of Joseph Stalin's cronies were
officially expunged from ever having existed in the history of the
Soviet Union.....painted over in paintings and airbrushed out of
photographs.

Remember that when you're dying in the street coughing up your lungs
....or wake up to the system now and agitate to uncover the treasonous
criminals running it. Seriously.
Dave

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Underground sealed bunkers. Sounds like a very good place to
confine those who deserve it. And an actual trap which a rat cannot escape.

Steve

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:57:06 -0500, Ignoramus2004
wrote:

On 2011-07-25, Pete C. wrote:
Left = libertards?
Right = conservatards?

Are there any Americans here any more?

Yep, the some 60-70% of the population who are decidedly centrist. The
"polarization" of the US is a myth, the reality is that the political
apathy of the 60-70% in the center has allowed the only two viable
political parties to be overrun by the minority of wingers on both
sides. As a result, the center appears split due to the lack of centrist
candidates to vote for, but they are most certainly not supporters of
either party, they are just voting against whoever they think is worst.

This is a very profound analysis. A+

Agreed. +1

--
[Television is] the triumph of machine over people.
-- Fred Allen

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:15:08 -0400, lid wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:56:47 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:36:46 -0400, lid wrote:
AFAIK only Gunner and some of his pals are gearing up for a "cull"
(that being where I first heard mention of some supposed "cull"). They
are all stuck in the Left-Right paradigm and can't see the forest for
the trees.
Dave

So will you be murdered in the coming removal of Leftwingers?
Gunner

Do you have a pass-key/identification card granting you access to the
D.U.M.B.'s (Deep Underground Military Bunkers)? I didn't think you
did. You, therefore, (whether you want to believe it or not) are
slated for extermination. If you weren't, you would have such a
pass-key to the "Ark" of the survival bunkers.

So you would rather bumble around posting buffoonery that makes you look
even worse the fool, than answer a very simply question?

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:21:32 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:15:08 -0400, lid wrote:

Do you have a pass-key/identification card granting you access to the
D.U.M.B.'s (Deep Underground Military Bunkers)? I didn't think you
did. You, therefore, (whether you want to believe it or not) are
slated for extermination. If you weren't, you would have such a
pass-key to the "Ark" of the survival bunkers.

So you would rather bumble around posting buffoonery that makes you look
even worse the fool, than answer a very simply question?

Gunner

No. I just happen to think that anyone who actually believes that only
leftist are going to be sorted out and "culled" by some type of
program doesn't understand the nature of the comming chaos/World
War/New World Order.

You know, the comming New World Order announced by rightest super
hero/Skull and Bones man GHW Bush?

Did you think he was kidding? Do you think he and the globalist
minions don't have a plan to carry their agenda of forming a New World
Order out? What do you think their New World Order is?

I didn't see your inclusion of you pass-key/DUMB addmission card
number in your post. Because you don't have one and either do I.
Because WE are not a planned for part of the New World Order.
Dave

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 04:42:05 -0400, lid wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:15:08 -0400, lid wrote:

Do you have a pass-key/identification card granting you access to the
D.U.M.B.'s (Deep Underground Military Bunkers)? I didn't think you
did. You, therefore, (whether you want to believe it or not) are
slated for extermination. If you weren't, you would have such a
pass-key to the "Ark" of the survival bunkers.

So you would rather bumble around posting buffoonery that makes you look
even worse the fool, than answer a very simply question?

Gunner

No. I just happen to think that anyone who actually believes that only
leftist are going to be sorted out and "culled" by some type of
program doesn't understand the nature of the comming chaos/World
War/New World Order.

You know, the comming New World Order announced by rightest super
hero/Skull and Bones man GHW Bush?

So now you admit to bleeving in fairy dust, unicorns and the Vast
Conspriacy.

Of course you do. Your ilk is your ilk..because you are all mentally
ill.

Pity about that.

Shrug

Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

"Steve B" on Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some of our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of freedom shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.

Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in Tulsa at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i

What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government was taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly, but the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

I fear that this sort of thing might occur in the future. "Nits
become lice" as the saying went. So, the greatest harm to the ruling
class is to kill the next generation. But I agree it is "ne
kulturni", a barbaric, terrible sort of thing to do.

Fnord.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich on Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:08
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Steve B" on Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some of our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of freedom shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.

Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in Tulsa at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i

What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government was taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly, but the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

I fear that this sort of thing might occur in the future. "Nits
become lice" as the saying went. So, the greatest harm to the ruling
class is to kill the next generation. But I agree it is "ne
kulturni", a barbaric, terrible sort of thing to do.

Fnord.

I forgot. There was a blog post, where the author interviewed a
couple Norwegian friends, for their take. In short, while they agree
with Breivik's assessment of "the threat" and of the need to do
something. they were not so agreeing of the logic for "direct action".
In short, they were most upset that he concluded, and acted on, the
need to kill people.
And I agree with them. Something needs be done. But can we do
that "something" without killing people?
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:12:53 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

pyotr filipivich on Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:08
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Steve B" on Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:46:07
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I am totally amazed that this has not happened in the US to some of our
anointed leaders. Time will write history, and the tree of freedom shall
be
fertilized with the blood of tyrants.

Steve, about same thing happened in Oklahoma City. I lived in Tulsa at
the time and I remember that event quite well.

i

What was sad is that the brunt of the rage against the government was taken
by lowly workers and their families, and not the ones who were stealing,
raping, burning, and pillaging. As in this case. What I was referring to
was an orchestrated attack by one person or a group against the responsible
government officials. We don't need to cull the weak and lowly, but the
high and mighty. In their eyes, anyway.

I fear that this sort of thing might occur in the future. "Nits
become lice" as the saying went. So, the greatest harm to the ruling
class is to kill the next generation. But I agree it is "ne
kulturni", a barbaric, terrible sort of thing to do.

Fnord.

I forgot. There was a blog post, where the author interviewed a
couple Norwegian friends, for their take. In short, while they agree
with Breivik's assessment of "the threat" and of the need to do
something. they were not so agreeing of the logic for "direct action".
In short, they were most upset that he concluded, and acted on, the
need to kill people.
And I agree with them. Something needs be done. But can we do
that "something" without killing people?

Unfortunately, I doubt anything else could be kept cohesive enough
long enough to bring necessary changes, and we aren't talking about
hope'n'change here.

Bloodless would be nice, but I believe any attempt at real change
would be dealt with by the PsTB in a deadly manner, so there would
likely be death involved in any attempt. I strongly feel that most
people would rather see tyrants, not the oppressed, put in pine boxes
six feet under. shrug

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air…
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Remember the Red Book from... oh, twenty years ago?
If only it were required reading. Some of the sheeple might wake up.

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