Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:45:21 -0700, "." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

So no nym once again posts opinion with no facts based on truth or
actual scientific agreement.


"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

"." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed,

Correlation is not causation, and there is significant lag between a
phased in ban and any direct effect, which clearly shows that there is
unlikely to be causation.

On May 31, 12:04*am, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. *Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. *NOT.

Joe

A) 30 pounds is a whole lot of refrigerant.

B) If you really only have $200 to your name, you probably have
bigger problems than your air conditioner.

On Tue, 31 May 2011 07:53:50 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?

There isn't. This guy's a typical ecofreak troll. The ozone hole as a
result of chlorine and fluorine in the atmosphere is but a _theory_.



Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed,

We banned CFC sales in the '80s, but...
http://www.livescience.com/10455-ozo...heal-2050.html
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/loo...ne_record.html

Yeah, entirely healed. giggle


Correlation is not causation, and there is significant lag between a
phased in ban and any direct effect, which clearly shows that there is
unlikely to be causation.

When did trolling idiots correlate with anything ? Just plonk 'em,
Pete.

--
Education is when you read the fine print.
Experience is what you get if you don't.
-- Pete Seeger

Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application?
If just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at
Walmart, I bought a couple yesterday.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"justme" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the
price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of
all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do
instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from
Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of
Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application?
If just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at
Walmart, I bought a couple yesterday.



Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a while
ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Pete C. wrote:

"." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed,

Correlation is not causation, and there is significant lag between a
phased in ban and any direct effect, which clearly shows that there is
unlikely to be causation.

R-12 is still *widely* used and produced in the 3rd
world.

And its banning in 1st world countries was supported
by Dow, who stood to vastly increase their franchise
by producing a patented, more expensive substitute
mandated by law.

Gunner Asch on Mon, 30 May 2011 22:47:34 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:45:21 -0700, "." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

So no nym once again posts opinion with no facts based on truth or
actual scientific agreement.

And once again, we see a nameless idiot feeling that because
somewhere else has it worse, then "I" should not complain. OF course,
forgotten in all that moral equivalency, is that the nameless ones are
probably living far above the world standard of living, so they should
have no qualms if we reduced their ration to be more in line with
world norms.
I, on the other hand, do like living in a country were even the
poor are fat, own cars, houses (with air conditioning) , and wide
screen TVs.


toodles
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:52:04 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application?
If just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at
Walmart, I bought a couple yesterday.



Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a while
ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

I have a 30 lb bottle of 134A

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:37:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Mon, 30 May 2011 22:47:34 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:45:21 -0700, "." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

So no nym once again posts opinion with no facts based on truth or
actual scientific agreement.

And once again, we see a nameless idiot feeling that because
somewhere else has it worse, then "I" should not complain. OF course,
forgotten in all that moral equivalency, is that the nameless ones are
probably living far above the world standard of living, so they should
have no qualms if we reduced their ration to be more in line with
world norms.
I, on the other hand, do like living in a country were even the
poor are fat, own cars, houses (with air conditioning) , and wide
screen TVs.


toodles
pyotr

Found my first Wide Screen LED TV at the range yesterday..shot to doll
rags. Big ******* too. Like 4x6 foot

Must have been an expensive one..maybe the price of a small color TV in
the mid 60s.

Gunner



"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Pete C. wrote:
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

THANK you! Reading this from you (or from anyone, actually) makes me feel
like the Kevin McCarthy character in "Invasion of the Body Snathers,"
toward the end at the cop shop when the patrol checks in and reports all
those weird seed pods that got spilled in some truck crash.

Like, "Thank GAWD! There's at least ONE other sane person left!"

Cheers!
Rich

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 07:53:50 -0500, "Pete C."
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?

There isn't. This guy's a typical ecofreak troll. The ozone hole as a
result of chlorine and fluorine in the atmosphere is but a _theory_.

The reason there's no ozone over Antarctica is because there's no
sunlight there during the southern winter, so nothing to MAKE ozone.

I fear that too many people these days are getting their "science" education
from the Propaganda Broadcasting System.

Thanks,
Rich

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application?
If just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at
Walmart, I bought a couple yesterday.

--

$8 at "Big Lot" this week. I bought two and the van only took 1/2 of
one can. I win! ...and it's cool, as is the house now.

"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.



Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.

On May 31, 3:43*pm, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message

...

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.

Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.

Big region then, through most of the Midwest and as far west as CO,
anyway. Autozone periodically has sales on the 12 oz. cans, though
not as cheap as $8 lately. Wouldn't want to do a full recharge with
them, but top-ups are affordable, anyway.

Stan

Tom Gardner wrote:

"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.



Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.


Just because it started in Ohio as Odd Lots...


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:42:09 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:37:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Mon, 30 May 2011 22:47:34 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:45:21 -0700, "." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

So no nym once again posts opinion with no facts based on truth or
actual scientific agreement.

And once again, we see a nameless idiot feeling that because
somewhere else has it worse, then "I" should not complain. OF course,
forgotten in all that moral equivalency, is that the nameless ones are
probably living far above the world standard of living, so they should
have no qualms if we reduced their ration to be more in line with
world norms.
I, on the other hand, do like living in a country were even the
poor are fat, own cars, houses (with air conditioning) , and wide
screen TVs.


toodles
pyotr

Found my first Wide Screen LED TV at the range yesterday..shot to doll
rags. Big ******* too. Like 4x6 foot

Must have been an expensive one..maybe the price of a small color TV in
the mid 60s.

Gunner



"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

The earliest known usage in Western media is in a 1948 article in the
social-democratic Italian paper L'Umanita - as cited in the New York
Times article on Italian politics. Despite often being attributed to
Lenin, in 1987, Grant Harris, senior reference librarian at the
Library of Congress, declared that "We have not been able to identify
this phrase among [Lenin's] published works."[3]

3. Boller, Jr., Paul F.; George, John (1989). They Never Said It: A
Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions. New York:
Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-505541-1.

Tom Gardner wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.


Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.



I know of 4 within 50 miles.

Amsterdam
Utica
Rome
Oneida

--
Steve W.

wrote:
On May 31, 3:43 pm, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message

...

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.
Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.
Also have a full and partial of R-12!
--
Steve W.
Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.

Big region then, through most of the Midwest and as far west as CO,
anyway. Autozone periodically has sales on the 12 oz. cans, though
not as cheap as $8 lately. Wouldn't want to do a full recharge with
them, but top-ups are affordable, anyway.

Stan

Full charge isn't that bad IF you have a good scale and gauges.

I'd rather use my machine but when you're out and about that isn't
always possible...

--
Steve W.

wrote:
Big region then, through most of the Midwest and as far west as CO,
anyway. Autozone periodically has sales on the 12 oz. cans, though
not as cheap as $8 lately. Wouldn't want to do a full recharge with
them, but top-ups are affordable, anyway.

The r-134a I saw at my local parts store had oil and some kind of snake oil
to restore seals. Not sure I'd want to put any of that in a system that
might one day get professionaly serviced, but I'd probably put straight
stuff in if I could find it unadulterated.

Jon

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:40:42 +0700, john B.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:42:09 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:37:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Mon, 30 May 2011 22:47:34 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:45:21 -0700, "." wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, justme wrote:
Recently, I was whining about the central Texas heat and the price of
a 30 lb. jug of R-134A. Well, I got results in the form of all kinds
of suggestions and comments but I wound up being confused.

I sure would like a concrete suggestion as what to do instead of
spending my life's savings on a $200.00 30lb. jug of it from Sam's',
plus the cost of a membership.

I'll take a swag that the U.S. is the highest in the cost of Freon.

Thanks, US Gov't. NOT.

Joe

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble, and given that after
banning the use of R-12 the hole largely healed, you feel that it's OK
to waste the stuff? And, by the way, 30 pounds is a lot - you can
compare your price to the UK - 410 grams for 10 pounds or 11.6 euros - I
think you will find your price is quite a bargain - quit whining

So no nym once again posts opinion with no facts based on truth or
actual scientific agreement.

And once again, we see a nameless idiot feeling that because
somewhere else has it worse, then "I" should not complain. OF course,
forgotten in all that moral equivalency, is that the nameless ones are
probably living far above the world standard of living, so they should
have no qualms if we reduced their ration to be more in line with
world norms.
I, on the other hand, do like living in a country were even the
poor are fat, own cars, houses (with air conditioning) , and wide
screen TVs.


toodles
pyotr

Found my first Wide Screen LED TV at the range yesterday..shot to doll
rags. Big ******* too. Like 4x6 foot

Must have been an expensive one..maybe the price of a small color TV in
the mid 60s.

Gunner



"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

The earliest known usage in Western media is in a 1948 article in the
social-democratic Italian paper L'Umanita - as cited in the New York
Times article on Italian politics. Despite often being attributed to
Lenin, in 1987, Grant Harris, senior reference librarian at the
Library of Congress, declared that "We have not been able to identify
this phrase among [Lenin's] published works."[3]

3. Boller, Jr., Paul F.; George, John (1989). They Never Said It: A
Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions. New York:
Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-505541-1.

Of course not. It was actually Trotsky that said it...but Lenin had
better press.

It was still a Communist that it came from.

Here is some data on it...

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=135140

Im rather found of the Lenin "utter simpleton" useful and descriptive
for the American Left.

And of course the term Useless Eaters...which has been attributed to
Kissinger. That fits leftwingers very well also.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 31, 3:43*pm, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message

...

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Only 200? More like 250 in NY state. What's the application? If
just your car, the 12 ounce small cans are ten bucks at Walmart, I
bought a couple yesterday.

Hit a big lots store. They had straight R-134A for 8 bucks a can.
Picked up a case of it myself. I already have a couple 30# from a
while ago when it was cheaper.

Also have a full and partial of R-12!

--
Steve W.

Hmmm, I thought "Big Lots" was regional.

Big region then, through most of the Midwest and as far west as CO,
anyway. Autozone periodically has sales on the 12 oz. cans, though
not as cheap as $8 lately. Wouldn't want to do a full recharge with
them, but top-ups are affordable, anyway.

Stan

Got em in California too.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Pete C. wrote:
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

THANK you! Reading this from you (or from anyone, actually) makes me feel
like the Kevin McCarthy character in "Invasion of the Body Snathers,"
toward the end at the cop shop when the patrol checks in and reports all
those weird seed pods that got spilled in some truck crash.

Like, "Thank GAWD! There's at least ONE other sane person left!"

Cheers!
Rich

You might find the following link of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

Regards,

Chas.

(To email me, replace "xxx" with letters tango papa golf.)

On 6/1/2011 10:22 PM, Chas wrote:
"Rich wrote in message
...
Pete C. wrote:
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

THANK you! Reading this from you (or from anyone, actually) makes me feel
like the Kevin McCarthy character in "Invasion of the Body Snathers,"
toward the end at the cop shop when the patrol checks in and reports all
those weird seed pods that got spilled in some truck crash.

Like, "Thank GAWD! There's at least ONE other sane person left!"

Cheers!
Rich

You might find the following link of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

Regards,

Chas.



The people with whom you are attempting to hold a rational debate will
not consider facts, they wish to believe that they are pure as the halo
on an idol's head and that no real world truth that is adverse to their
belief exists. Of course they are wrong, but noting you can do will
dissuade them - they do not have the intelligence nor the intellect to
understand this.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:36:25 -0700, "." wrote:

On 6/1/2011 10:22 PM, Chas wrote:
"Rich wrote in message
...
Pete C. wrote:
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

THANK you! Reading this from you (or from anyone, actually) makes me feel
like the Kevin McCarthy character in "Invasion of the Body Snathers,"
toward the end at the cop shop when the patrol checks in and reports all
those weird seed pods that got spilled in some truck crash.

Like, "Thank GAWD! There's at least ONE other sane person left!"

Cheers!
Rich

You might find the following link of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

Regards,

Chas.



The people with whom you are attempting to hold a rational debate will
not consider facts, they wish to believe that they are pure as the halo
on an idol's head and that no real world truth that is adverse to their
belief exists. Of course they are wrong, but noting you can do will
dissuade them - they do not have the intelligence nor the intellect to
understand this.

Odd that a person so desperate to hide his nym..or his
identity...blabs so ****ing much buffoonery.

Well..not really odd. Must be a Leftwinger. They are simply insane.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On May 31, 10:26*pm, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:
wrote:
*Big region then, through most of the Midwest and as far west as CO,
anyway. *Autozone periodically has sales on the 12 oz. cans, though
not as cheap as $8 lately. *Wouldn't want to do a full recharge with
them, but top-ups are affordable, anyway.

The r-134a I saw at my local parts store had oil and some kind of snake oil
to restore seals. *Not sure I'd want to put any of that in a system that
might one day get professionaly serviced, but I'd probably put straight
stuff in if I could find it unadulterated.

Jon

That's probably the most common ones you'll see in places like wally
world, most of the chain parts stores have both that and the straight
stuff on the shelf. Unless you've got a seal leak on the compressor
or some kind of puncture on the receiver, oil usually doesn't migrate
out of the system. My experience has been that usually the O-rings on
the various connections get hard and start leaking, went through my
system and replaced every O-ring I could find when I did the
conversion bit. Most were so hard they had to be cut off. O-rings
are cheap compared with refrigerant these days. Don't know how well
that seal restorer would work on those hard O-rings, have never used
it and I'm picky about what oil goes into the system, too.

Stan

Gunner Asch on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:54:56
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:36:25 -0700, "." wrote:

On 6/1/2011 10:22 PM, Chas wrote:
"Rich wrote in message
...
Pete C. wrote:
"." wrote:

so, given solid evidence that flurochlorocarbons, specifically freon,
destroy the ozone layer and cause serious trouble,

Where is this mythical "solid evidence" that this has ever occurred?
Fluorocarbons certainly react with ozone in the lab, everything reacts
with O3 since it's unstable. Fluorocarbons however are heavy molecules,
tend to stay at ground level and decompose when exposed to high heat as
when sucked into a cars engine or a home furnace. I find no evidence
that Fluorocarbons ever make it as high up as the ozone layer in any
quantity. There is solid evidence however that the noted polar hole in
the ozone layer is directly related to cyclical variations in the amount
of UV radiation hitting the polar regions, which is what creates the
ozone in the first place.

THANK you! Reading this from you (or from anyone, actually) makes me feel
like the Kevin McCarthy character in "Invasion of the Body Snathers,"
toward the end at the cop shop when the patrol checks in and reports all
those weird seed pods that got spilled in some truck crash.

Like, "Thank GAWD! There's at least ONE other sane person left!"

Cheers!
Rich

You might find the following link of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

Regards,

Chas.
The people with whom you are attempting to hold a rational debate will
not consider facts, they wish to believe that they are pure as the halo
on an idol's head and that no real world truth that is adverse to their
belief exists. Of course they are wrong, but noting you can do will
dissuade them - they do not have the intelligence nor the intellect to
understand this.

Odd that a person so desperate to hide his nym..or his
identity...blabs so ****ing much buffoonery.

Oh don't be so harsh on it. It is just repeating what the little
voices are saying.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!