Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

On Sep 9, 1:29*am, "Steve B" wrote:
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. *The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. *And very soon. *It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. *Millions are losing their homes. *Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. *In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. *Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).


Dave

"Dave__67" wrote in message
...
On Sep 9, 1:29 am, "Steve B" wrote:
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).


Dave

Years ago, people said that we'd be shopping and doing all this stuff on the
Internet one day. Yeah, right, I thought. Just because your brain is
incapable of encapsulating the idea does not make it impossible.

Squat and watch. Prepare first.

Steve

--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Beauty times brains
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : is a constant..
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Sep 9, 12:06*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message

...
On Sep 9, 1:29 am, "Steve B" wrote:



Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create..

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members..
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).

Dave

Years ago, people said that we'd be shopping and doing all this stuff on the
Internet one day. *Yeah, right, I thought. *Just because your brain is
incapable of encapsulating the idea does not make it impossible.

Squat and watch. *Prepare first.

Steve

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.


Dave

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

"steamer" wrote in message
...
--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the
things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Beauty times brains
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : is a constant..
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Give that boy a cookie!

"Buerste" on Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.


There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work.

How? That's the concern. "Throwing the bums out" is only the
first of many steps. Then comes the removal of onerous laws, onerous
regulations, onerous taxes. Each of which will have a vocal support
group who are going to wail loudly about the approaching apocalypse if
their special little item is no longer funded/administered/regulated
by the Federal Government. The argument has been made for decades
that X is only a small amount, pennies per person. Which is true, but
that doesn't mean that those pennies do not add up to "real
Money(tm)". A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're
talking real money. (Only when Senator Dirksen said that, it was
"million")
With a complicit media considering Joe Lieberman to be a right
winger, you know that every line in the Federal Registry is going to
be presented as vital to the Health of the Nation, to National
Security.
If the newly elected House and the new Senate attempts "politics
as usual" - there is likely to be a rejection of the electoral method
of accomplishing change, and some who will figure that the only means
of achieving change is going to be direct application, as distasteful
as it might be. Revolutionary violence actually tends to occur when
things begin to improve, or are expected to improve, but are not
improving "quickly enough". It is when men begin to believe that they
can cross the chasm between where they are, and where they could be
with a violent application of force, (or they believe that violence is
their only alternative) that violence is probable. Attica Prison, The
American/French and Russian revolutions, the various civil wars of the
last two thousand years.


It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

Hope and Change. All to often, the "children" feel that they are
the first to discover that the world is not fair, and that Something
Must be Done. They do not know that Something Has Been Done, and that
solution was even worse than the previous problem. But when they have
not examined history, but only the proper perspective on history,
thyme do not know this. And fall for the old saws of a better living
through benevolent dictatorship. Even Plato fell for it.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400, Buerste wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
....
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

The politics of "gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme."

I fear that the backlash will result in the election of a whole
pack of theocratic, anti-choice war addicts.

My fantasy, of course, is that the Libertarians finally make a
showing.

They used to say, "would you rather be hung or shot?" Nowadays,
it's "would you rather be boiled in oil or flayed alive?"

Thanks,
Rich

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:57:52 +0000, steamer wrote:

--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

I'll buy American when the American products are better and cheaper, and
that won't happen as long as the Liberal/Union cabal is in charge.

Thanks,
Rich

In article , Larry Jaques wrote:


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

No worries there IMHO... Word has it that his "short list" for VP picks was
down to Biden and Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind., former Ind. governor). Why do you
suppose Obama picked the obvious buffoon Biden instead of the *vastly* better
qualified Bayh? Two words: life insurance.

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400, Buerste wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
...
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

The politics of "gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme."

I fear that the backlash will result in the election of a whole
pack of theocratic, anti-choice war addicts.



In other words, people of vision and action.



--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

"Dave__67" wrote

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.


Dave

Yes, Dave. You are right. The rest of the world is wrong. Terms like
"drive by shooting" that didn't exist twenty years ago are now known to a
five year old. This old world is moving fast, and apparently some of you
old ****ers aren't able to keep up.

Grab your ass, pard. The ride has only begun. Or get the **** out of the
way. Or stand there and be run over.

Who would have thought twenty years ago that today there would be one cell
phone for every two people on the planet?

Only those with a brain capable of accepting anything new that wasn't
already ossified into its present form of grey and white matter.

Change or die.

But then, you know it all, so what's the use of telling you anything?

Steve

"steamer" wrote in message
...
--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the
things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

When I'm not paying $73 an hour for a specialist who only knows how to
install left front fenders on a Ford, and who has benefits to the grave that
are better than mine shall I entertain your idea.

Steve

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

========
Does the phrase "If at first you don't succeed, try, try
again" ring any bells?

One of the major problems is that while "socialism," (with a
small s) has proven to be very workable in certain
countries, primarily Scandinavia, their
socio-economic/political conditions and environments [and
hence view of the world] are entirely different from those
of the United States. Some marked differences are
population homogeneity, high education levels, and absence
of a permanent underclass.

IMNSHO -- because these are *HIGHLY* politically incorrect
topics to broach, these are the elephants and gorillas in
the room, the policy makers on both political wings ignore,
with the result there is no common/majority U.S. view of the
world and thus no possibility of a majority consensus,
although a selected minority "reality" is indeed imposed
from time to time.

Operationally, Uncle Sam is a manic-depressive
schizophrenic, with increasingly frequent lapses into
paranoia and sociopathy. John Carroll appears to be 100%
correct when he observes that most of the current U.S.
problems have little to do with economics, finance or
technology, but are almost entirely driven by "mental
health" concerns, e.g. denial and projection.

-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
news
"Buerste" on Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time
for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions
are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste
members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is
going
to change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.


There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and
gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism
will
burst forth and the country can get back to work.

How? That's the concern. "Throwing the bums out" is only the
first of many steps. Then comes the removal of onerous laws, onerous
regulations, onerous taxes. Each of which will have a vocal support
group who are going to wail loudly about the approaching apocalypse if
their special little item is no longer funded/administered/regulated
by the Federal Government. The argument has been made for decades
that X is only a small amount, pennies per person. Which is true, but
that doesn't mean that those pennies do not add up to "real
Money(tm)". A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're
talking real money. (Only when Senator Dirksen said that, it was
"million")
With a complicit media considering Joe Lieberman to be a right
winger, you know that every line in the Federal Registry is going to
be presented as vital to the Health of the Nation, to National
Security.
If the newly elected House and the new Senate attempts "politics
as usual" - there is likely to be a rejection of the electoral method
of accomplishing change, and some who will figure that the only means
of achieving change is going to be direct application, as distasteful
as it might be. Revolutionary violence actually tends to occur when
things begin to improve, or are expected to improve, but are not
improving "quickly enough". It is when men begin to believe that they
can cross the chasm between where they are, and where they could be
with a violent application of force, (or they believe that violence is
their only alternative) that violence is probable. Attica Prison, The
American/French and Russian revolutions, the various civil wars of the
last two thousand years.


It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

Hope and Change. All to often, the "children" feel that they are
the first to discover that the world is not fair, and that Something
Must be Done. They do not know that Something Has Been Done, and that
solution was even worse than the previous problem. But when they have
not examined history, but only the proper perspective on history,
thyme do not know this. And fall for the old saws of a better living
through benevolent dictatorship. Even Plato fell for it.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

It's a deep hole, and it only stops when we stop digging. That is still
going on in earnest. I don't think we will get out of this one, but I'm not
concerned because the end is on my event horizon before social, political or
moral stability is.

Steve

"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" wrote


The politics of "gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme."

I fear that the backlash will result in the election of a whole
pack of theocratic, anti-choice war addicts.

My fantasy, of course, is that the Libertarians finally make a
showing.

They used to say, "would you rather be hung or shot?" Nowadays,
it's "would you rather be boiled in oil or flayed alive?"

Thanks,
Rich

I am 62, and have been registered as Libertarian since I first registered to
vote.

Keep the hell out of people's business. Make war. Defend the boundaries of
the United States.

Just keep it simple and follow the Constitution, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
....................

So, we are where we are today.

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Steve

On 09 Sep 2010 16:57:52 GMT, steamer wrote:

--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

Sorry, Ed, but America no longer even _produces_ many of the tools one
can purchase from HF.

We have to free ourselves of the speaking weasels (and people who use
them) which have caused this mess in our legal, medical, educational,
penal, and unionized industrial systems. This will likely take more
than ten minutes.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave__67
wrote:

On Sep 9, 12:06*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message

...
On Sep 9, 1:29 am, "Steve B" wrote:



Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).

Dave

Years ago, people said that we'd be shopping and doing all this stuff on the
Internet one day. *Yeah, right, I thought. *Just because your brain is
incapable of encapsulating the idea does not make it impossible.

Squat and watch. *Prepare first.

Steve

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.

Uh, Dave. You say that like it's a -bad- thing.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

Um, Tawm. Nobody on the Left has ever noticed that it has never
worked. What happens now?

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."


The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and setting
them right as to the facts.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:45:47 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and
gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism
will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?

Um, Tawm. Nobody on the Left has ever noticed that it has never
worked. What happens now?


It'll work THIS time! snicker

Larry Jaques wrote:

Um, Tawm. Nobody on the Left has ever noticed that it has never
worked. What happens now?


Come on, Larry. Those knuckle draggers don't even notice, when they
step on their hands.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Sep 9, 8:17*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.

Dave

Yes, Dave. *You are right. *The rest of the world is wrong. *Terms like
"drive by shooting" that didn't exist twenty years ago are now known to a
five year old. *This old world is moving fast, and apparently some of you
old ****ers aren't able to keep up.

Grab your ass, pard. *The ride has only begun. *Or get the **** out of the
way. *Or stand there and be run over.

Who would have thought twenty years ago that today there would be one cell
phone for every two people on the planet?

Only those with a brain capable of accepting anything new that wasn't
already ossified into its present form of grey and white matter.

Change or die.

But then, you know it all, so what's the use of telling you anything?

Steve

I wasn't aware the rest of the world was drooling over an opportunity
to shoot liberals.

Anyway, I think you are assuming my skepticism of a great cull aimed
at citizens means I do not agree with the driving forces in the
article.

Dave

On Sep 9, 10:25*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave__67



wrote:
On Sep 9, 12:06*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message

....
On Sep 9, 1:29 am, "Steve B" wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).

Dave

Years ago, people said that we'd be shopping and doing all this stuff on the
Internet one day. *Yeah, right, I thought. *Just because your brain is
incapable of encapsulating the idea does not make it impossible.

Squat and watch. *Prepare first.

Steve

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.

Uh, Dave. *You say that like it's a -bad- thing.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Storm Jameson

Who gets to decide- each person with a gun?
One of them will think you are 'too liberal'. Doesn't matter how far
'to the right' you are, you'll be someone's outlier.


Dave

Dave__67 fired this volley in news:3b55cdad-9119-
:

Who gets to decide- each person with a gun?

Dave, when _each_ person has a gun, it tends to sort itself out.

Governments don't want it to sort out. That's one reason they don't want
us to have guns.

LLoyd

On Sep 9, 12:57*pm, steamer wrote:
* * * * --It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

--
* * * * "Steamboat Ed" Haas * * * * : *Beauty times brains *
* * * * Hacking the Trailing Edge! *: *is a constant..
* * * * * * * * * * * * *www.nmpproducts.com
* * * * * * * * * *---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

I agree about buying cheap crap ( unless it is for a one time use ),
but the solution is not to blindly buy American, British, or French.
The Japanese used to sell crap, but have moved up to selling quality.
They embraced Deming and now produce top notch stuff. Look at Nikon,
Cannon, etc.

The South Koreans have also improved. Look at the Korean cars or the
stuff Samsung makes.


Dan
The solution is to raise the rest of the world up.

" fired this volley in news:88e60bb4-
:

They embraced Deming and now produce top notch stuff. Look at Nikon,
Cannon, etc.


They DID embrace Deming, until they realized that it was a bunch of
propagandistic malarky. They finally created their own models, and have
done much better since in terms of the social and emotional costs of
providing quality goods.

LLoyd

On 9/10/2010 8:50 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:88e60bb4-
:

They embraced Deming and now produce top notch stuff. Look at Nikon,
Cannon, etc.


They DID embrace Deming, until they realized that it was a bunch of
propagandistic malarky. They finally created their own models, and have
done much better since in terms of the social and emotional costs of
providing quality goods.

Well, the picked Deming's brain in the '50s, just as they picked
Gilbreth's in the '20s, and they've since built on what they learned
from both. But if you think that statistical process control is
"propagandistic malarky" you're an example of the reason that American
business is in collapse.

"J. Clarke" fired this volley in news:i6dbkn07t9
@news7.newsguy.com:

But if you think that statistical process control is
"propagandistic malarky" you're an example of the reason that American
business is in collapse.

I don't. But if you were a reasonable person, instead of a knee-jerk
mudslinger, you'd remember that Deming also espoused all kinds of
"magic" process enhancement methods that depended upon building weird-
mentality societies within a company, and a sort of mass-hypnosis to
accomplish.

One should use the good parts of a method and discard the junk. The
Japanese did. You apparently didn't.

LLoyd

On 9/10/2010 11:29 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
"J. fired this volley in news:i6dbkn07t9
@news7.newsguy.com:

But if you think that statistical process control is
"propagandistic malarky" you're an example of the reason that American
business is in collapse.

I don't. But if you were a reasonable person, instead of a knee-jerk
mudslinger, you'd remember that Deming also espoused all kinds of
"magic" process enhancement methods that depended upon building weird-
mentality societies within a company, and a sort of mass-hypnosis to
accomplish.

One should use the good parts of a method and discard the junk. The
Japanese did. You apparently didn't.

Prove it.

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:23:57 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On 09 Sep 2010 16:57:52 GMT, steamer wrote:

--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

Sorry, Ed, but America no longer even _produces_ many of the tools one
can purchase from HF.

We have to free ourselves of the speaking weasels (and people who use
them) which have caused this mess in our legal, medical, educational,
penal, and unionized industrial systems. This will likely take more
than ten minutes.

A bit of a problem. You can buy an automobile made in the USA for
35,000 dollars or one made in India for 7,000. Are you really, really
going to buy the US product?

By the way, blaming it all on the lower pay scales in foreign
countries is not really the answer. Try looking, for example, on why
the identical medicine is cheaper in Canada then in the US, and maybe
you will realize that the high costs of doing business in the U.S is
what is causing the problem.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On Sep 10, 9:24*pm, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:23:57 -0700, Larry Jaques





wrote:
On 09 Sep 2010 16:57:52 GMT, steamer wrote:

* * * *--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

Sorry, Ed, but America no longer even _produces_ many of the tools one
can purchase from HF.

We have to free ourselves of the speaking weasels (and people who use
them) which have caused this mess in our legal, medical, educational,
penal, and unionized industrial systems. *This will likely take more
than ten minutes.

A bit of a problem. You can buy an automobile made in the USA for
35,000 dollars or one made in India for 7,000. Are you really, really
going to buy the US product?

By the way, blaming it all on the lower pay scales in foreign
countries is not really the answer. Try looking, for example, on why
the identical medicine is cheaper in Canada then in the US, and maybe
you will realize that the high costs of doing business in the U.S is
what is causing the problem.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A simple solution to that, which would probably cause plety of other
problems (I don't pretend to know - I'm not an economist), would be to
place exorbitant import duties on items that are or *could be*
produced in the US. Several years ago, I was working with an engineer
in Brazil, and we had a hell of a time sending parts to him because of
their import policies. Years before that, I had designed a device that
was being manufactured (to my dismay)in Korea. The product contained a
Seiko printer mechanism which was made in Japan. It was actually
cheaper to ship the printer to New York and then to Korea than to ship
it direct from Japan to Korea.

Again, I don't pretend to know whether these protectionist policies
are good or bad (I expect that it's some of each), but these are two
of my experiences.

On the other hand, we lost a pretty large graphics production job
because our client found a person in the Philipines who does Photoshop
work for $4.00 per hour.

Level playing field, my ass.

On 9/8/2010 10:29 PM, Steve B wrote:
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve


Sounds like the words of a Tea Party crackpot.


Hawke

On 9/9/2010 12:45 PM, Buerste wrote:
"Larry wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?




They're ****ed because trying to move the country ahead and to make it
better is made so very difficult by people like you, Tea Partiers, and
the rest of the right wing. If it weren't for people like you we
wouldn't have had the disaster that we got the last time the right wing
was running things. Now we try to move forward and all we get is road
blocks from your side. So first you nearly destroy us with the Bush
administration, then you obstruct every attempt to fix our problems.
It's no wonder people on the left and in the middle are ****ed off at
you right wingers. You better hope the culling never happens because you
right wingers are going to be extinct if it does.

Hawke

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve


Indeed. Oh yes indeed.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:06:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:20:05 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


One of the major problems is that while "socialism," (with a
small s) has proven to be very workable in certain
countries, primarily Scandinavia,

Pay attention to the last sentence....

http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/Sweden.htm

The Future That Didn't Work

Among those countries afflicted with the more advanced stages of
welfare statism are Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Sweden --
especially Sweden. In the past, Sweden has been held up by some as the
model mixed economy -- how to combine a vigorous capitalist industrial
base with a lavish social welfare system. It was even touted as "market
socialism" -- a future that seemed to work. Not any more. The negative
consequences of decades of the heavy welfare state burden can no longer
be postponed. The May 24, 1993 issue of FORBES reported on Sweden's
welfare state ("The Swedish Disease") -- and the condition it has left
that country.

"The Clinton Administration's liberals who are pushing for more
taxes, a bigger welfare state, bigger labor unions, currency devaluation
and an industrial policy should take note: The Swedish model is doing
abysmally.

"Sweden's industrial production has plunged 15 percent since 1989.
The jobless rate is 12% and rising. The budget deficit accounts for a
third of the central government's spending and 13% of the country's GDP
(compared with 5% in the U.S.). The currency is sinking even faster than
the dollar."

What is Sweden's problem? "The Swedish model is Sweden's problem,"
observes Ian Wachtmeister, a former aluminum company executive who heads
the recently formed, market-oriented New Democracy Party, and who was
elected to the Swedish parliament in 1991.

"People are sick of the Big Brother-type of state. It's all
connected with what's happening in Eastern Europe, because they had 100%
socialism and we had 70%," reports Wachtmeister.

"Sweden's welfare state has all but destroyed the country's work
ethic. The absentee rate in Swedish industry reached an astounding 25%
several years ago before recent welfare cutbacks encouraged people to
work more. Many companies used to overstaff themselves by 25% just to
make sure that they had enough workers on the production line."

When the Swedish welfare system was at its peak a few years ago, the
national health care system tended to encourage people to become sick.
According to the statistics, Sweden was the sickest society on earth at
that time. LIke anything else, when medical care is "free", an
increasing number of people find ways to take advantage of it. Sweden's
national health care system became a national scandal.

As Forbes points out, by becoming every Swede's rich grandfather,
the state has destroyed most peoples' incentive to save. According to
Sweden's current Finance Minister, Anne Wibble, "Most households in our
country do not have any private savings, and that means they are not
independent of either employers or or politicians."

Meanwhile, another hangover from Sweden's socialistic welfare binge
is that some of the world's highest taxes on capital and income have
driven Swedish entrepreneurs to less hostile environments in continental
Europe and America. The productive private sector began to shrink at an
accelerated rate. Three years ago Swedish banks collapsed, real estate
prices plunged fifty percent, and the government's budget deficit
exploded. The semi-capitalistic goose that had been laying the golden
eggs had finally keeled over. Sweden was in a hell of a mess. A
Soviet-style economic collapse was eminent.

"In 1991 Carl Bildt's conservative coalition was elected to clean up
the socialists' mess. Like some ancient hero of Norse legend, Carl Bildt
has been swinging a mighty ax to clear away the tangles of the welfare
state. Government expenditure has been cut by $11 billion (80 billion
kronor, equal to 6% of GDP). Welfare payments have been cut. Inflation
has been tamed to an underlying rate of 2%. A voucher system had been
introduced in the public school system. Capital gains taxes are 30%. The
top marginal tax rates on income are still 50% -- high, but that's a big
improvement over the 85% of the recent past."

But, will it be too little too late to turn Sweden around? Many of
Bildt's more ambitious reforms and privatization attempts have been
stalled partly by political opposition from the old-line reactionary
Social Democrats who held power for so long and brought Sweden to its
crisis situation.

The Forbe's article concludes with the following: "Sweden may or may
not recover fully from its socialistic experimentation. But this isn't
just a story about Sweden. It's about any country where politicians
believe in the infinite ability of the private sector to fund an
ambitious social agenda, be it through high taxes, mandates, regulations
or other forms of state interventions.

"The New Democracy Party's Wachtmeister worries that Sweden's
experience with market socialism has been lost on many of the liberals
in the Clinton Administration. The key lesson, as Sweden is now finding,
is that once in place this kind of socialism is very hard to dislodge."

"Right now I'd rather be in Sweden than in the U.S., because we have
seen the problems and are moving away from the welfare state," says
Wachtmeister. "On your side, you are moving right into it, and you risk
destroying your country."

I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:37:54 -0700 (PDT), Dave__67
wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:29*am, "Steve B" wrote:
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. *The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. *And very soon. *It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. *Millions are losing their homes. *Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. *In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. *Some little farmer from Ohio who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).


Dave


Are you willing to bet your life and the life of your family on that?



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)