On 9/10/2010 5:50 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:88e60bb4-
:

They embraced Deming and now produce top notch stuff. Look at Nikon,
Cannon, etc.


They DID embrace Deming, until they realized that it was a bunch of
propagandistic malarky. They finally created their own models, and have
done much better since in terms of the social and emotional costs of
providing quality goods.

LLoyd


If that is true then why do the Japanese still keep giving out the
"Deming Award" to people?

Hawke

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave__67
wrote:

On Sep 9, 12:06*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message

...
On Sep 9, 1:29 am, "Steve B" wrote:



Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Steve

As an aside,
what he describes here is not what some of the RWNJs are drooling
over, the mythic 'great cull' (which will never happen, IMO).

Dave

Years ago, people said that we'd be shopping and doing all this stuff on the
Internet one day. *Yeah, right, I thought. *Just because your brain is
incapable of encapsulating the idea does not make it impossible.

Squat and watch. *Prepare first.

Steve

So hordes of lawless nut jobs are going to start roaming the US
shooting anyone they deem 'too liberal'?

It's a juvenile fantasy.


Dave

Google "Tire Necklace"

It couldnt happen there either...could it?

Here..let me help you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

One should notice that at one time, South Africa was very very
civilized. Then..the communists happened....and things went wryly to
****.

Same with Germany and a myrid number of other countries.

Germany was very very civilized in 1930....and had a very long history
of being civilized. Vienna...culture, literature, inventors..and
then...bad things happened.

So Dave..you are claiming that Bad Things cant happen in America?



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:28:00 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."


The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and setting
them right as to the facts.


Oddly old boy...the "wingnuts" as you so aptly mention...are the
Leftwingers. The conservatives are those who wish to continue the
government of the Founders.

And yes..they will be pacified and set to right. And the ditches filled
with their corpses will be horrific and wide.



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:28:00 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."


The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and setting
them right as to the facts.



Btw....I like a rather expanded quote from the same letter

The {} ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model
into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at
length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the
ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more
wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.

Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in
the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an
instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's
motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we
should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be
all, & always well informed.

The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the
importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under
such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the
public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years.

There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century &
a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a
half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if
their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve
the spirit of resistance?

Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon
& pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The
tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.


Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 9/9/2010 12:45 PM, Buerste wrote:
"Larry wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to
create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the
facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time
for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions
are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste
members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from
Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is
going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

There better not be a great cull, there is no reason. The experiment has
failed and almost everybody knows it. Sure the leftists will wail and
gnash
their teeth but they are in such a small minority they don't matter. The
rest of the country anxiously awaits for November third, a new optimism
will
burst forth and the country can get back to work. It's been proven once
again that Socialism doesn't work and doesn't sit well with 98% of
Americans. Somebody should document that fact so the country doesn't
have
to go through this again when memory dulls and the leftists try it again.
What IS wrong with them?




They're ****ed because trying to move the country ahead and to make it
better is made so very difficult by people like you, Tea Partiers, and the
rest of the right wing. If it weren't for people like you we wouldn't have
had the disaster that we got the last time the right wing was running
things. Now we try to move forward and all we get is road blocks from your
side. So first you nearly destroy us with the Bush administration, then
you obstruct every attempt to fix our problems. It's no wonder people on
the left and in the middle are ****ed off at you right wingers. You better
hope the culling never happens because you right wingers are going to be
extinct if it does.

Hawke

Can you type with a straight face? You must laugh your ass off when you
post. Do you cut/paste ALL your material or do you pay for it like a
comedian pays for his material? I envy the fun you must have trying to
assemble such good stuff!

I've come to the conclusion that you post the stuff you do in order to get a
reaction that you hope will amuse you.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:06:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.



What's the other 3%? Narcissist? That's way more than 3%.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

Google "Tire Necklace"

It couldnt happen there either...could it?

Here..let me help you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

Won't burning libtards contribute to Global Warming?

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Sep 10, 9:24*pm, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:23:57 -0700, Larry Jaques





wrote:
On 09 Sep 2010 16:57:52 GMT, steamer wrote:

* * * *--It's not millions; it's billions. The problem is global and
toppling the current administration is not the fix. The problem is buying
crap from the Harbor Freight-type stores that was made by people earning
ten cents a day in China or some other cheap-labor country. We've got to
knuckle down and buy American or British or French; it may hurt the wallet
a little at first but you'll be glad you did so down the road when the things
you bought haven't fallen apart. Quality has a quality all its own, so to
speak..

Sorry, Ed, but America no longer even _produces_ many of the tools one
can purchase from HF.

We have to free ourselves of the speaking weasels (and people who use
them) which have caused this mess in our legal, medical, educational,
penal, and unionized industrial systems. *This will likely take more
than ten minutes.

A bit of a problem. You can buy an automobile made in the USA for
35,000 dollars or one made in India for 7,000. Are you really, really
going to buy the US product?

By the way, blaming it all on the lower pay scales in foreign
countries is not really the answer. Try looking, for example, on why
the identical medicine is cheaper in Canada then in the US, and maybe
you will realize that the high costs of doing business in the U.S is
what is causing the problem.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A simple solution to that, which would probably cause plety of other
problems (I don't pretend to know - I'm not an economist), would be to
place exorbitant import duties on items that are or *could be*
produced in the US. Several years ago, I was working with an engineer
in Brazil, and we had a hell of a time sending parts to him because of
their import policies. Years before that, I had designed a device that
was being manufactured (to my dismay)in Korea. The product contained a
Seiko printer mechanism which was made in Japan. It was actually
cheaper to ship the printer to New York and then to Korea than to ship
it direct from Japan to Korea.

Again, I don't pretend to know whether these protectionist policies
are good or bad (I expect that it's some of each), but these are two
of my experiences.

On the other hand, we lost a pretty large graphics production job
because our client found a person in the Philipines who does Photoshop
work for $4.00 per hour.

Level playing field, my ass.

You make a mistake talking about salaries and referencing US salaries
as a reference. You need to compare foreign salaries to foreign cost
of living. In a country where food costs might be $2.00 a day, $4.00
an hour is pretty good wages.

Closing the US to foreign imports (your suggestion of hefty import
duties) isn't workable. If you were to do that then China wouldn't be
selling all that stuff to the US and wouldn't have enough money to buy
US Government Bonds. Bonds sales, i.e., borrowing, stops and the US
government doesn't have sufficient money to keep running. Now what?

Not to get all involved in economics but punitive tariffs have been
tried in the past. They don't work well as effected nations simply
apply the same tactic and then nothing moves in international trade.
The thought that the US doesn't need those foreigners is hardly
correct - where does the bulk of the oil used in the US come from, for
example?

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

Hawke fired this volley in news:i6ev0v$q1m
:


If that is true then why do the Japanese still keep giving out the
"Deming Award" to people?

Same reason we name things after politicians. They were popular (once),
the _thing_ named is a good thing (like any award given for excellence),
and it becomes a comfortable habit to continue giving it, and calling it
by its name.

The Japanese developed the award in the 1950s (IIRC) while they were
still completely enamoured of the entire method. When they learned that
not every part of the method works so well in their society, they didn't
abandon giving the award. That would be like saying "We misspelled a
word in the orginal document, so we're not going to reward excellence
anymore."

I don't disagree with everything W.E. Deming taught. He was required
reading in college. For the most part, I even agree with his 14
imperatives. What most businesses who've attempted to adopt it realize,
though, is that a LOT of his sidebar advice is just plain weird, and
doesn't fit well with phyisical reality or how people act or how they
will act, even if coerced.

For instance, he teaches that one should not ever rely on mass
inspections to ensure QC. OK... how' bout a product line that has to be
absolutely 100% out the door?

His response was that the correct statistical methods and corporate
attitudes will guarantee _any_ desired level of QA!
Bull**** -- Propaganda to promote selling his method; nothing more.

If someone convinced me that I could have ZERO product failures across
all of my lines of goods simply by adopting a method I can have taught
for only $1000 per staff member -- well, I'd JUMP at it.

But it's a figment. It was trumped up to promote the system. That's one
reason very few firms worldwide adopt the system in toto. Of course we
all use some of the methods. We'd be stupid not to.

LLoyd

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:14:28 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:06:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

Yabbut, if anyone whapped him upside the haid, it would still light
off that race war.


The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.

What's the other 3%? Narcissist? That's way more than 3%.

You also need to figure in the Messiah Complex.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:18:17 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .

Google "Tire Necklace"

It couldnt happen there either...could it?

Here..let me help you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

Won't burning libtards contribute to Global Warming?

It's _their_ AGWK, so does it matter?

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:28:00 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."


The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and
setting
them right as to the facts.


Oddly old boy...the "wingnuts" as you so aptly mention...are the
Leftwingers.

No, it's people who get angry and take up arms against the government.

The conservatives are those who wish to continue the
government of the Founders.

Fantasizing over a great cull and mass murder is not a conservative mindset.
Using the political process and constitution is the way to preserve our
liberties.

And yes..they will be pacified and set to right. And the ditches filled
with their corpses will be horrific and wide.

It's the government that pacifies in the passage you cited. You seem to be
on the other side of our constitutional government.

Gunner Asch on Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:52:27 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.

And 100% narcissistic.


--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:14:28 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:06:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.



What's the other 3%? Narcissist? That's way more than 3%.

Most Marxists are narcissist. Its part of their nature.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:18:17 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .

Google "Tire Necklace"

It couldnt happen there either...could it?

Here..let me help you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

Won't burning libtards contribute to Global Warming?

IT might help stem the Global Cooling we are undergoing.

Think of the children kept warm!!



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:45:20 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and
setting
them right as to the facts.


Oddly old boy...the "wingnuts" as you so aptly mention...are the
Leftwingers.

No, it's people who get angry and take up arms against the government.

Who has talked about killing off the Government?

The conservatives are those who wish to continue the
government of the Founders.

Fantasizing over a great cull and mass murder is not a conservative mindset.
Using the political process and constitution is the way to preserve our
liberties.

Thats not worked very well since the 1960s, has it?

And yes..they will be pacified and set to right. And the ditches filled
with their corpses will be horrific and wide.

It's the government that pacifies in the passage you cited. You seem to be
on the other side of our constitutional government.

No son..its the People who are mentioned...you seem to be unable to
comprehend what you read.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:58:09 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:20:05 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


One of the major problems is that while "socialism," (with a
small s) has proven to be very workable in certain
countries, primarily Scandinavia,

Pay attention to the last sentence....

http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/Sweden.htm

The Future That Didn't Work
snip
"Right now I'd rather be in Sweden than in the U.S., because we have
seen the problems and are moving away from the welfare state," says
Wachtmeister. "On your side, you are moving right into it, and you risk
destroying your country."

===========
There is a big difference between a socio-economic system
that works tolerably well for the large majority of its
citizens and one that makes everybody happy. Remember that
even the Garden of Eden had a snake...

My point is that even if a more socialist/nanny state can be
made to work [and work well] for certain countries under
certain conditions, those conditions do not exist [and most
likely will never exist] in the U.S. Specifically: (1)
highly homogeneous population, with common language and
weltanschauung/zeitgeist [vital for reaching consensus and
trust]; (2) high (or at least adequate) levels of education,
literacy and numeracy for the large majority of the
population; and (3) absence of a significant, and
particularly growing/multigenerational, permanent under
class.

Another very significant difference is the size of the
populations, and relative lack of delusions of grandeur and
exceptionalism, that frequently result in foreign
interventions/adventures, with huge wastes of blood and
treasure and/or financial bubbles.

FWIW -- Iceland had hallucinations that it was a global
economic power and is now paying the price.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2...nancial_crisis
The citizens of Iceland, having far more say in how the
country is run than the citizens do in many of the larger
nations, refused to allow their government to bail-out the
banks and their foreign creditors, with tax money.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...repayment-plan

For those that were confused by the term "Scandinavia," this
commonly refers to the northern European countries of
Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and most English speakers include
Finland and Iceland in this grouping. Another common
identifier for this group is the Nordic Countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:45:20 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and
setting
them right as to the facts.


Oddly old boy...the "wingnuts" as you so aptly mention...are the
Leftwingers.

No, it's people who get angry and take up arms against the government.

Who has talked about killing off the Government?

You seem to believe the government is run by leftists, and that all leftists
will die in the "Great Cull."

The conservatives are those who wish to continue the
government of the Founders.

Fantasizing over a great cull and mass murder is not a conservative
mindset.
Using the political process and constitution is the way to preserve our
liberties.

Thats not worked very well since the 1960s, has it?

And yes..they will be pacified and set to right. And the ditches filled
with their corpses will be horrific and wide.

It's the government that pacifies in the passage you cited. You seem to be
on the other side of our constitutional government.

No son..its the People who are mentioned...you seem to be unable to
comprehend what you read.

Gunner

Try reading it again- uninformed people get angry, take up arms, and are
pacified and set right. The good part is that the government does not get
complacent. I see nothing in there that suggests that the uninformed people
end up the winners. In other words, sometimes it's necessary to pacify the
Timothy McVeigh's and other domestic terrorists and set them right.

One of the major problems is that while "socialism," (with a
small s) has proven to be very workable in certain
countries, primarily Scandinavia,

I remember a story about "Scandinavian" countries. There was a natural
disaster, a storm, or something of sorts. Dormitories were set up in
schools. Food and everything was provided.

NO ONE WOULD GET UP AND MAKE COFFEE. Coffee was there, urns were there.
They were all waiting for some governmental agent to come along and do it.
When you are purposefully training people to be stupid, what is the
expectation?

The expectation is, " Wait, wait. You're much to stupid to do that for
yourself. Making it yourself is dangerous, and you MUST wait until some
$200,000 a year plus benefits government worker lackey comes to take care of
your sorry pathetic bum."

Steve

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:22:58 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:45:20 -0400, "ATP"
wrote:


He's talking about either killing the wingnuts or pacifying them and
setting
them right as to the facts.


Oddly old boy...the "wingnuts" as you so aptly mention...are the
Leftwingers.

No, it's people who get angry and take up arms against the government.

Who has talked about killing off the Government?

You seem to believe the government is run by leftists, and that all leftists
will die in the "Great Cull."

Most of the most grevious ones will indeed be murdered.
Hide and watch. And it includes a lot of Leftists NOT in government,
such as college professors and so forth.

Of course..they will also kill the Klanners, gang bangers and white
supremists. So its not all one sided.

The conservatives are those who wish to continue the
government of the Founders.

Fantasizing over a great cull and mass murder is not a conservative
mindset.
Using the political process and constitution is the way to preserve our
liberties.

Thats not worked very well since the 1960s, has it?

And yes..they will be pacified and set to right. And the ditches filled
with their corpses will be horrific and wide.

It's the government that pacifies in the passage you cited. You seem to be
on the other side of our constitutional government.

No son..its the People who are mentioned...you seem to be unable to
comprehend what you read.

Gunner

Try reading it again- uninformed people get angry, take up arms, and are
pacified and set right. The good part is that the government does not get
complacent. I see nothing in there that suggests that the uninformed people
end up the winners. In other words, sometimes it's necessary to pacify the
Timothy McVeigh's and other domestic terrorists and set them right.


Yep. And Timmy and the Rev. Wright are of the same nature.

Timmy just was killed first.

Shrug

Hide and watch.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:14:28 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:06:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:29:51 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

Thomas Jefferson wrote the following text, but only one line has been
made
famous and put on T shirts. The rest is highly relevant and shows the
context of the snippet and the timelessness of our genius forefather's
foresight into the affairs of the nation they fought and died to create.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

End of quote.

I wish to see some of this natural manure. And very soon. It's time for
a
rebellion, or we all will either perish or become slaves to the ruling
class.

Millions are losing jobs. Millions are losing their homes. Millions are
losing health care in a nation where free health care is available only
to
aliens. In a nation where citizens are treated like lower caste members.
Let the nutjobs come to the front and start the rebellion like they are
doing, and like I have stated in the past. Some little farmer from Ohio
who
has lost everything and is dying from cancer and can't be saved is going
to
change the path of the nation.

Mark my words.

Here's to hoping that when the Great Cull (which is being breathlessly
waited for) starts, it is NOT with our commandeering chief. That would
light off a global race war, too. Nobody wants that.

The issue is not that Obabamassiah is black..he isnt. He is 50% white,
44% middle easter and only 6% black.

Yabbut, if anyone whapped him upside the haid, it would still light
off that race war.

The issue is that he is 97% Marxist.

What's the other 3%? Narcissist? That's way more than 3%.

You also need to figure in the Messiah Complex.



He's neither a messiah, or complex.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

"F. George McDuffee" wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:58:09 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:20:05 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


One of the major problems is that while "socialism," (with a
small s) has proven to be very workable in certain
countries, primarily Scandinavia,

Pay attention to the last sentence....

http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/Sweden.htm

The Future That Didn't Work
snip
"Right now I'd rather be in Sweden than in the U.S., because we have
seen the problems and are moving away from the welfare state," says
Wachtmeister. "On your side, you are moving right into it, and you risk
destroying your country."

===========
There is a big difference between a socio-economic system
that works tolerably well for the large majority of its
citizens and one that makes everybody happy. Remember that
even the Garden of Eden had a snake...



The White House is full of Lawyers, er 'Snakes'.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:37:54 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:
snip
FWIW -- Iceland had hallucinations that it was a global
economic power and is now paying the price.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2...nancial_crisis
The citizens of Iceland, having far more say in how the
country is run than the citizens do in many of the larger
nations, refused to allow their government to bail-out the
banks and their foreign creditors, with tax money.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...repayment-plan
snip
=========
As a follow-up to this observation see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-collapse.html
and
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4eb1076c-b...44feab49a.html

Iceland MPs call for trial of ex-ministers

By Andrew Ward in Stockholm

Published: September 12 2010 18:18 | Last updated: September
12 2010 18:18

Icelandic lawmakers are expected to decide within days
whether to charge the ex-premier and three other former
ministers with negligence for their role in the 2008 banking
crisis after a parliamentary committee recommended criminal
action.

A majority of the committee voted at the weekend to bring
charges against Geir Haarde, the prime minister at the time
of the banking crash, and the three others.

A move by parliament to accept the recommendation would mark
the first concrete step towards holding politicians
accountable for leading the island nation into financial
turmoil.

snip

First time this special Icelandic court, established in 1906
will be used. A shame that the U.S. does not have similar
legal provisions...


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

They're ****ed because trying to move the country ahead and to make it
better is made so very difficult by people like you, Tea Partiers, and the
rest of the right wing. If it weren't for people like you we wouldn't have
had the disaster that we got the last time the right wing was running
things. Now we try to move forward and all we get is road blocks from your
side. So first you nearly destroy us with the Bush administration, then
you obstruct every attempt to fix our problems. It's no wonder people on
the left and in the middle are ****ed off at you right wingers. You better
hope the culling never happens because you right wingers are going to be
extinct if it does.

Hawke

Can you type with a straight face? You must laugh your ass off when you
post. Do you cut/paste ALL your material or do you pay for it like a
comedian pays for his material? I envy the fun you must have trying to
assemble such good stuff!

I've come to the conclusion that you post the stuff you do in order to get a
reaction that you hope will amuse you.


No, not really. It's just like the quote from Harry Truman when someone
said to him he should give the republicans Hell. He said all I do is
tell the truth and they think it's Hell. That's all I do. I tell the
truth and you think you're in Hell. And I don't need any help from
anywhere else. It all comes straight from me.

Hawke