A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on 9/11
to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story
cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the fuselage
of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th anniversary
of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on 9/11
to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story
cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the fuselage
of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th anniversary
of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.


Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...

"azotic" wrote in message
...
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on 9/11
to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story
cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the
fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


so, could you please explain the problem with this? is there any evidence
that the lease was acquired in an illegal manner? is there any evidence of
fraud or other bad dealings? I don't see how any objection could be
possible except if there was evidence of fraud

"Bill Noble" wrote in message
...


"azotic" wrote in message
...
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story
cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the
fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


so, could you please explain the problem with this? is there any evidence
that the lease was acquired in an illegal manner? is there any evidence of
fraud or other bad dealings? I don't see how any objection could be
possible except if there was evidence of fraud



Res ipsa loquitur

Best regards
Tom.

Bill Noble wrote:


"azotic" wrote in message
...
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged
by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


so, could you please explain the problem with this? is there any
evidence that the lease was acquired in an illegal manner? is there any
evidence of fraud or other bad dealings? I don't see how any objection
could be possible except if there was evidence of fraud

I'm sure he'd be mortally offended if someone wanted to build a Southern
Baptist church across the street from where a slave massacre happened, too.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged
by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.


Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...

What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the
fault of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That
convention was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there some
reason to postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington, D.C.,
where the high murder rate in that disarmed city could easily have
accounted for the same number of victims in the same amount of time?

Or is it just another mindless issue for anti-gun zealots to whine about?

David

My understanding is that the construction of the mosque is nothing
more than just a proposal, at this point. They do not even have
financing.

i

On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:21:01 -0700, "azotic" wrote
the following:

A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on 9/11
to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story
cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the fuselage
of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th anniversary
of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

Oh, Tommyboy! You insensitive cad, you. Don't you know that it's
only proper to embrace those who are against you? Our fearless leader
has been doing that for just over a year now, after apologizing for
us.


P.S: Um, NYC, if you do this, you can GFY!


--
Work and struggle and never accept an evil that you can change.
-- Andre Gide

"Ignoramus19744" wrote in message
...
My understanding is that the construction of the mosque is nothing
more than just a proposal, at this point. They do not even have
financing.

i

I was hoping someone in NY has more information since the
article is confusing. On one hand the say there is no funding
on the other hand they plan to open on 911 2011.

Best Regards
Tom.




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On 2010-05-17, Azotic wrote:
"Ignoramus19744" wrote in message
My understanding is that the construction of the mosque is nothing
more than just a proposal, at this point. They do not even have
financing.

I was hoping someone in NY has more information since the
article is confusing. On one hand the say there is no funding
on the other hand they plan to open on 911 2011.

The article was very hysterical and it was hard to understand what
exactly was going on. I would also like a clarification.

i

Stuart Wheaton wrote:

Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...

Insensitive was the cops standing back waiting for everything to be over before going in.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying,
"No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged
by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade
Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.


Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...

What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the fault
of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That convention
was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there some reason to
postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington, D.C., where the high
murder rate in that disarmed city could easily have accounted for the
same number of victims in the same amount of time?

Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset? Seems to me that in a capitalist
society, anybody who wants to buy a building, and turns that building
into a house of worship, (especially for one of the worlds major
religions) can do so.




Or is it just another mindless issue for anti-gun zealots to whine about?

David

On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:40:45 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying,
"No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged
by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade
Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.


Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...

What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the fault
of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That convention
was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there some reason to
postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington, D.C., where the high
murder rate in that disarmed city could easily have accounted for the
same number of victims in the same amount of time?

Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset?

The Muslims that flew into WTC are dead so nevermind, right?

Seems to me that in a capitalist
society, anybody who wants to buy a building, and turns that building
into a house of worship, (especially for one of the worlds major
religions) can do so.

The symbolism and insult is the chosen site as opposed to perhaps
Fargo or somewhere in Queens.

Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:40:45 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are crying,
"No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones on
9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged
by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade
Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their convention
in Denver right after Columbine...
What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the fault
of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That convention
was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there some reason to
postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington, D.C., where the high
murder rate in that disarmed city could easily have accounted for the
same number of victims in the same amount of time?
Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset?

The Muslims that flew into WTC are dead so nevermind, right?

Seems to me that in a capitalist
society, anybody who wants to buy a building, and turns that building
into a house of worship, (especially for one of the worlds major
religions) can do so.

The symbolism and insult is the chosen site as opposed to perhaps
Fargo or somewhere in Queens.

So, how many miles from the Oklahoma City site should all Christian
churches be banned?

It wasn't christian law nor rule nor decision to bomb the building.
Chanting to our supreme being wasn't done nor was it considered.
It was in revenge of prior attacks by the Federal forces of several type
driven by the FBI.

It was a couple of extremist that did that.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 5/18/2010 4:20 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:40:45 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are
crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones
on 9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the
teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building
damaged by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the
World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...XuAnQau5 uLPC
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their
convention in Denver right after Columbine...
What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the
fault of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That
convention was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there
some reason to postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington,
D.C., where the high murder rate in that disarmed city could easily
have accounted for the same number of victims in the same amount of
time?
Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset?

The Muslims that flew into WTC are dead so nevermind, right?
Seems to me that in a capitalist society, anybody who wants to buy a
building, and turns that building into a house of worship,
(especially for one of the worlds major religions) can do so.

The symbolism and insult is the chosen site as opposed to perhaps
Fargo or somewhere in Queens.

So, how many miles from the Oklahoma City site should all Christian
churches be banned?

On May 19, 8:57*pm, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:
It wasn't christian law nor rule nor decision to bomb the building.
Chanting to our supreme being wasn't done nor was it considered.
It was in revenge of prior attacks by the Federal forces of several type
driven by the FBI.

It was a couple of extremist that did that.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.http://lufkinced.com/

On 5/18/2010 4:20 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:



Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:40:45 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are
crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones
on 9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the
teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building
damaged by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the
World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa..._ground_zero_O...
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their
convention in Denver right after Columbine...
What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the
fault of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That
convention was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there
some reason to postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington,
D.C., where the high murder rate in that disarmed city could easily
have accounted for the same number of victims in the same amount of
time?
Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset?

The Muslims that flew into WTC are dead so nevermind, right?
Seems to me that in a capitalist society, anybody who wants to buy a
building, and turns that building into a house of worship,
(especially for one of the worlds major religions) can do so.

The symbolism and insult is the chosen site as opposed to perhaps
Fargo or somewhere in Queens.

So, how many miles from the Oklahoma City site should all Christian
churches be banned?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



On 9/11 the mulims prayed to Mohamed as they killed over 3000
people. They prayed to Mohamed for the death of all infidels.

Stuart Wheaton wrote:

So, how many miles from the Oklahoma City site should all Christian
churches be banned?

Explain the correlation.

While you are at it why did one of David Koresh's followers get a clue that a raid was
going to happen by a news crew asking for directions?

Oh, publicity is more important than a raid where the innocents are not harmed and few
notice. The feds turned this into a media event.

Koresh was a bad actor imho but the Feds acted criminally by making it a media event and
no one paid the price for that. Well no one unless McVeigh got lucky but he killed
innocents so he doesn't get any points either.

Wes

--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

We were talking about Oklahoma Not 9/11 New York.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 5/20/2010 8:07 AM, sparky wrote:
On May 19, 8:57 pm, "Martin H.
wrote:
It wasn't christian law nor rule nor decision to bomb the building.
Chanting to our supreme being wasn't done nor was it considered.
It was in revenge of prior attacks by the Federal forces of several type
driven by the FBI.

It was a couple of extremist that did that.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH& Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker& member.http://lufkinced.com/

On 5/18/2010 4:20 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:



Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 22:40:45 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

David R.Birch wrote:
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
azotic wrote:
A mosque rises over Ground Zero. And fed-up New Yorkers are
crying, "No!"

A chorus of critics -- from neighbors to those who lost loved ones
on 9/11 to me -- feel as if they've received a swift kick in the
teeth.

Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a
13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building
damaged by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the
World Trade Center.

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th
anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa..._ground_zero_O...
run amuck or are they just nuts?Best RegardsTom.

Wow, that is almost as insensitive as the NRA holding their
convention in Denver right after Columbine...
What does the NRA convention have to do with Columbine? Is it the
fault of the NRA every time a criminal act is done with a gun? That
convention was planned for Denver long before Columbine, is there
some reason to postpone it? Would it have been OK in Washington,
D.C., where the high murder rate in that disarmed city could easily
have accounted for the same number of victims in the same amount of
time?
Gotcha!!!!

I'm pretty certain these Muslims are not the ones that flew into WTC
either, so why are we so upset?

The Muslims that flew into WTC are dead so nevermind, right?
Seems to me that in a capitalist society, anybody who wants to buy a
building, and turns that building into a house of worship,
(especially for one of the worlds major religions) can do so.

The symbolism and insult is the chosen site as opposed to perhaps
Fargo or somewhere in Queens.

So, how many miles from the Oklahoma City site should all Christian
churches be banned?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



On 9/11 the mulims prayed to Mohamed as they killed over 3000
people. They prayed to Mohamed for the death of all infidels.

In , on Thu, 20 May
2010 18:50:11 -0400, Wes, wrote:

Koresh was a bad actor imho but the Feds acted criminally by making it
a media event and no one paid the price for that.

So you don't think the FBI acted criminally in burning
the compound down? Admitted by ATF head John W. Magaw
on CSPAN 25 Sept. '95.

Sonja Hillgram asks:

You certainly told us how you have changed training
in the ATF, yet nonetheless, some macho FBI agent
types think that ATF should be folded into the FBI
because they criticize ATF training and they feel
that they have to go and mop up after ATF makes
mistakes. Uh, how do you respond?

[during the second half of this question especially,
MaGaw's face begins to betray a clear discomfiture,
possibly even anger]

MaGaw answers:

[clears throat] Well I believe that uh, had we been
left in charge of um... uh, the Waco incident, um...
uh, we would _not_ have burned that building...


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