Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork. I have bin welding, plastic cutting, cutting 5mm
aluminium sheet for salvaged fans from PC power supplies....welding,
measuring, getting it wrong and rewelding after cutting...and lots of
other stuff which, if not metalwork, is related as the same methodical
thinking and analysis is required.

Who, really, gives a stuff about politics. If you lucky, 50% of your
country turns out to vote. Wingers, Democrats - crapping on here will
NEVER change anyone's ideas, or how they vote. Are you all Old Farts,
for whom the only thing left to moan about is politics?

Global Warming? - who cares, we will be dead before we know if its
bull**** or not. Pity about our descendants if the nay-sayers have got
it wrong......

Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Andrew VK3BFA.

On 3/3/2010 4:45 AM, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork.

(...)

Hear Hear!

Though I am on the 'one a day' plan, with 200 entries in my Bozo Bin.

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1" plywood.

Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?



--Winston

Winston fired this volley in news:hmls2q08u3
@news4.newsguy.com:

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1" plywood.

Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something
like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.


The drywall guys call that a "scatter dolly". If you check out a dealer,
you'll see they offer both "boom" and "scatter" delivery.

LLoyd

On 3/3/2010 6:38 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:hmls2q08u3
@news4.newsguy.com:

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1" plywood.

Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something
like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.


The drywall guys call that a "scatter dolly". If you check out a dealer,
you'll see they offer both "boom" and "scatter" delivery.

LLoyd


I see 'Sheet Rock Dolly'. That looks promising.

Thanks, Lloyd!

--Winston

Winston wrote:
On 3/3/2010 6:38 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:hmls2q08u3
@news4.newsguy.com:

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1"
plywood. Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so
that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than
having to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen
something like that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.


The drywall guys call that a "scatter dolly". If you check out a
dealer, you'll see they offer both "boom" and "scatter" delivery.

LLoyd


I see 'Sheet Rock Dolly'. That looks promising.

Thanks, Lloyd!

--Winston

The sheet rock dolly I'm familiar with has four wheels and can hold about 25
sheets at a time . If I understand you want something that can move one
sheet at a time into position for fastening ?
Something like an extra-extra wide hand truck (aka two-wheel dolly) should
work quite well . If you're talking about rolling it over to put on a saw ,
think carpet dolly type , two larger wheels , so you can slide the ply onto
it vertical , then break it over to horizontal at or near saw table height .
I usually work alone , and hate to lift heavy stuff ... especially awkward
stuff like plywood and particle board .
--
Snag
Still learnin'
after all
these years .

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
...
Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork. I have bin welding, plastic cutting, cutting 5mm
aluminium sheet for salvaged fans from PC power supplies....welding,
measuring, getting it wrong and rewelding after cutting...and lots of
other stuff which, if not metalwork, is related as the same methodical
thinking and analysis is required.

Who, really, gives a stuff about politics. If you lucky, 50% of your
country turns out to vote. Wingers, Democrats - crapping on here will
NEVER change anyone's ideas, or how they vote. Are you all Old Farts,
for whom the only thing left to moan about is politics?

Global Warming? - who cares, we will be dead before we know if its
bull**** or not. Pity about our descendants if the nay-sayers have got
it wrong......

Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Andrew VK3BFA.

One question: Have all your posts been on topic? I know mine haven't. But
I'm on a path to getting better. If we all would, this would lessen here.
If we simply quit responding to the known trolls, they would go find another
bridge.

So, I'll TRY to do my part. Not guaranteeing you perfection, mind you.

How about it, everyone?

Steve

On 3/3/2010 8:41 AM, Snag wrote:

(...)

The sheet rock dolly I'm familiar with has four wheels and can hold about 25
sheets at a time . If I understand you want something that can move one
sheet at a time into position for fastening ?

Sort of. My pal the contractor places 4x8 sheets of 1" plywood on
pavers. It prevents paver damage when the skid-steer loader makes
it's commute into the back yard several times a day.

One of the guys dead-lifts each of these sheets off the pile every morning
and makes a 'wood road' across the driveway. Every afternoon, he dead-lifts
each sheet and stacks it neatly in the side yard once again. It makes
my back hurt just thinking about this.

I'd like to reduce their medical costs by providing a way to roll each
sheet on wheels instead. It'd be cool if the wheels locked when the
dolly had less than 10 lbs load, so that it wouldn't roll away when
loading & unloading.

Something like an extra-extra wide hand truck (aka two-wheel dolly) should
work quite well . If you're talking about rolling it over to put on a saw ,
think carpet dolly type , two larger wheels , so you can slide the ply onto
it vertical , then break it over to horizontal at or near saw table height .

That'd work but I don't want the cart to zip into the street, propelled
by the angled driveway.

I usually work alone , and hate to lift heavy stuff ... especially awkward
stuff like plywood and particle board .

"Working smarter". I like that.


--Winston

On Mar 3, 7:35*am, Winston wrote:
On 3/3/2010 4:45 AM, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork.

(...)

Hear Hear!

Though I am on the 'one a day' plan, with 200 entries in my Bozo Bin.

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1" plywood.

Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. *I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

--Winston

The big-box home improvement stores around here have carts for moving
sheet goods around for the customers to use, look like second-cousins
to the luggage carts at the larger hotels. Just a 4-wheeled flat with
bent tubing welded fore and aft creating slots for the sheet goods to
be wheeled around on edge. A couple of the castors are non-swiveling
and lockable for loading. The tubing is about 4' high on the center
one, the outside ones are more like 2'. Just square upside-down
"U"s. Castors are about 4-6" in dia. If a fellow really wanted to
get fancy, he could provide some holes in the plywood close to the
edges, then put some kind of light boom arrangement on the cart to
pick the sheets up to slide them on. Probably a light block and
tackle would be sufficient for the pick-up portion with hooks to go in
the holes in the sheets.

Stan

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA
Art

Aha ha: so if you took the best parts of each of those, welded a couple
of big wheels to the side of a 'U' channel with a handle, you could hook
the U onto the plywood, tilt it up, and run it over moderately rough
ground by pushing one end. To unload,just lay the sheet down, pull the
cart off.

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA
Art

On 3/3/2010 1:34 PM, wrote:

(...)

The big-box home improvement stores around here have carts for moving
sheet goods around for the customers to use, look like second-cousins
to the luggage carts at the larger hotels. Just a 4-wheeled flat with
bent tubing welded fore and aft creating slots for the sheet goods to
be wheeled around on edge. A couple of the castors are non-swiveling
and lockable for loading. The tubing is about 4' high on the center
one, the outside ones are more like 2'. Just square upside-down
"U"s. Castors are about 4-6" in dia. If a fellow really wanted to
get fancy, he could provide some holes in the plywood close to the
edges, then put some kind of light boom arrangement on the cart to
pick the sheets up to slide them on. Probably a light block and
tackle would be sufficient for the pick-up portion with hooks to go in
the holes in the sheets.

I know what you're talking about here, Stan.
I was hoping for something smaller and more portable, though.

Thanks!

--Winston

On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA


Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

Thank you, Art.

--Winston

On 3/3/2010 2:23 PM, RoyJ wrote:
Aha ha: so if you took the best parts of each of those, welded a couple
of big wheels to the side of a 'U' channel with a handle, you could hook
the U onto the plywood, tilt it up, and run it over moderately rough
ground by pushing one end. To unload,just lay the sheet down, pull the
cart off.

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0

http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA

Art

I think that 'Telpro' tool will work great as-is.

Thanks, everyone!

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration

http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA


Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

Thank you, Art.

--Winston

Glad to help.
Art

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration

http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA


Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

Thank you, Art.

--Winston

Glad to help.
Art

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something
like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA


Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

Thank you, Art.

--Winston

BTW, this may not be exactly what you need, but did you ever see the drywall
carrier published in _Fine Homebuilding_ ...sheesh, maybe a decade or two
ago? g

Picture the bottom part of that Telpro thingy, without the wheels, and with
a loop of rope for a handle. This lets you carry sheets of drywall with your
arm hanging down straight, rather than trying to hold on to both sides. You
just put your other arm on the other edge of the drywall sheet (now the top)
to steady it. The rope loop is the right length to keep the carrier a few
inches off the ground, and the carrier part is made of three scraps of
plywood screwed together. I think the configuration should be obvious -- I
hope.

Anyway, I use one for carrying a couple of sheets around at a time, with no
problem. I also use it for carrying sheets of plywood. It's one heck of a
lot easier than manhandling them.

--
Ed Huntress

Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Okay, just to make you happy.

I've been looking high and low for my 6" 3 jaw scroll chuck. I know I have one because I
have photographic proof it was on the lathe when I brought it home.
http://wess.freeshell.org/clausing_6900.jpg

I pulled it off over two years ago to use the 4 jaw independant chuck in rebulding the
lathe and sorta lost contact with the 3 jaw. Well, I *thought* it was in the rear of the
chip tray until I started looking for it.

Finally I gave up looking for it in my garage and called my uncle to ask if he remembered
if I did anything with it when we rolled the lathe to the rear of the garage last fall. He
didn't remember anything other than he thought it was sitting in the chip pan.

He mentioned he needed to bring over some tools he borrowed to work on his house and I
piped up, while you are over, take a look around and see if you can find the chuck.

I come home today, took a quick look in the machine room and didn't see the chuck so I
poked around for a while and gave uncle a call. Uncle tells me he found it and laid it on
my lathe. Yup, there it is.

So I ask him, where did you find it? He tells me, on the shelf behind your bridgeport.
You had the lid to a cased set of micrometers open that obscured it from view. Hidden in
plain sight. I kept thinking the chuck was on the shelf but I didn't see it and I did
look. Just didn't fip that lid. Sheese.

Now for the metalworking stuff. The poor chuck is a bit covered with drywall dust. That
is the result of me building the heated room for my machines with the machines in them. So
I took it apart and cleaned it. While I had it apart, I could see the jaws are damaged.
I have a bit of bellmouth at the end. At the rear of the jaws clamping surface, they look
fine.

I'm not sure who made this chuck. It was made in England and shows fine workmanship.

Fine enough that the back of the jaws where there are scroll cuts are, the flat surfaces
are ground parallel to the slots that the jaws ride in the chuck body which means they are
90 degrees to the damaged clamping surface.

I measured the height of each jaw for reference using the undamaged clamping surface.

Then I put it back together and mounted to my lathe. It has consistant 0.007" run out on
various diameters. That could be fixed by bumping the chuck body a bit in relation to the
backing plate.

I still have to clean up the jaw surface to get rid of the bellmouthing. For that, I can
take a 3x3" right angle plate and stick it to the magnetic chuck on his grinder, then
clamp the jaw using the flat surface of the scroll side while using a machinist square to
orient things properly. Then grind to clean up, measure, make sure the other jaws are
taken down the same amount.

For extra bonus points, I can carefully measure the run out and relationship to each jaw
and calculate the amount of grinding variation to get the chuck to center w/o moving the
body around.

I'm still looking for the box with all the reamers, dowels, hex bushings, spring wire,
fasteners, ect for my gatling build. I now I boxed that stuff up for the time I had my
lathe running and in a heated enviroment.

Wes

On 3/3/2010 3:01 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

BTW, this may not be exactly what you need, but did you ever see the drywall
carrier published in _Fine Homebuilding_ ...sheesh, maybe a decade or two
ago?g

Missed it by *that* much.

Picture the bottom part of that Telpro thingy, without the wheels, and with
a loop of rope for a handle. This lets you carry sheets of drywall with your
arm hanging down straight, rather than trying to hold on to both sides. You
just put your other arm on the other edge of the drywall sheet (now the top)
to steady it. The rope loop is the right length to keep the carrier a few
inches off the ground, and the carrier part is made of three scraps of
plywood screwed together. I think the configuration should be obvious -- I
hope.

Slick! The "Secret Agent" version is the 'Pocket Troll' Model 29.
http://www.telproinc.com/

I like the way it folds up into 'pocket size'.
At 26 bucks it is a tad more expensive than some scrap plywood and rope,
though.

Anyway, I use one for carrying a couple of sheets around at a time, with no
problem. I also use it for carrying sheets of plywood. It's one heck of a
lot easier than manhandling them.

Very nifty. I love that kind of stuff.

Also many articles in _Fine Homebuilding_ that made me smack my forehead,
because of the ingenious methods revealed to solve 'impossible' problems.

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item...your-old-paint

--Winston

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
scrawled the following:


"Winston" wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)


Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0

Oh, that is so suhweeeeet! I love that li'l beastie.

Will have to make one, _soonest_ and save what's left of my back!

Remember, guys: HF has those 10-inch pneumatic wheels on sale next
week for $3.79 each!

WAIT A MINUTE! HOW'D THIS MAKE IT ONTO RCM? IT DEALS WITH METAL.

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:53:39 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
wrote in message
...
Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0
http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA


Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

A pair of inline skate wheels ($1 at the Dollar Store) could be
used...

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2010 3:01 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

BTW, this may not be exactly what you need, but did you ever see the
drywall
carrier published in _Fine Homebuilding_ ...sheesh, maybe a decade or two
ago?g

Missed it by *that* much.

Picture the bottom part of that Telpro thingy, without the wheels, and
with
a loop of rope for a handle. This lets you carry sheets of drywall with
your
arm hanging down straight, rather than trying to hold on to both sides.
You
just put your other arm on the other edge of the drywall sheet (now the
top)
to steady it. The rope loop is the right length to keep the carrier a few
inches off the ground, and the carrier part is made of three scraps of
plywood screwed together. I think the configuration should be obvious --
I
hope.

Slick! The "Secret Agent" version is the 'Pocket Troll' Model 29.
http://www.telproinc.com/

Very slick. However, at 5' 9", I think I'm better off with the device on my
side of the panel, so I don't have to reach over it. Either that, or I need
stilts to go with it. g I use the device I described on the side of the
panel that I'm facing, and use my other hand to stabilize the top of the
panel.


I like the way it folds up into 'pocket size'.
At 26 bucks it is a tad more expensive than some scrap plywood and rope,
though.

Yes. If you're working on construction jobs or re-doing the walls in your
whole house, I can see it. As it is, I can make one of those scrap-wood
thingies in ten minutes, so I don't even keep them around from year to year.


Anyway, I use one for carrying a couple of sheets around at a time, with
no
problem. I also use it for carrying sheets of plywood. It's one heck of
a
lot easier than manhandling them.

Very nifty. I love that kind of stuff.

Also many articles in _Fine Homebuilding_ that made me smack my forehead,
because of the ingenious methods revealed to solve 'impossible' problems.

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item...your-old-paint

Yeah, old copies are worth their weight in gold for things like that.

--
Ed Huntress

On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
scrawled the following:


wrote in message
...

(...)

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

OW! Wad I do to you, Larry?

Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Do.../dp/B00020BON0

Oh, that is so suhweeeeet! I love that li'l beastie.

Will have to make one, _soonest_ and save what's left of my back!

Remember, guys: HF has those 10-inch pneumatic wheels on sale next
week for $3.79 each!

WAIT A MINUTE! HOW'D THIS MAKE IT ONTO RCM? IT DEALS WITH METAL.

Um. Sorry.

--Winston

On 3/3/2010 7:12 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
...

(...)

Slick! The "Secret Agent" version is the 'Pocket Troll' Model 29.
http://www.telproinc.com/

Very slick. However, at 5' 9", I think I'm better off with the device on my
side of the panel, so I don't have to reach over it. Either that, or I need
stilts to go with it.g I use the device I described on the side of the
panel that I'm facing, and use my other hand to stabilize the top of the
panel.

I didn't think of that.

I like the way it folds up into 'pocket size'.
At 26 bucks it is a tad more expensive than some scrap plywood and rope,
though.

Yes. If you're working on construction jobs or re-doing the walls in your
whole house, I can see it. As it is, I can make one of those scrap-wood
thingies in ten minutes, so I don't even keep them around from year to year.

Plus, tools tend to 'wander' on construction jobs.


--Winston

On 3/3/2010 7:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

A pair of inline skate wheels ($1 at the Dollar Store) could be
used...

The wheels on the Troll appear to be ~5" diameter.

I like.

--Winston

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:42:59 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
scrawled the following:


wrote in message
...

(...)

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

OW! Wad I do to you, Larry?

Nuttin', Winsome. You asked for political insults. Surely, _that_ was
one, was it not?

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

On 3/3/2010 8:20 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:42:59 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
scrawled the following:


wrote in message
...

(...)

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

OW! Wad I do to you, Larry?

Nuttin', Winsome. You asked for political insults. Surely, _that_ was
one, was it not?

You aim to please?

--Winston

On Mar 4, 9:37*am, Wes wrote:
Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Okay, just to make you happy.

Wes

Wow - that was a mental exercise there - (the latter) - I knew what
you were talking about, but had to actually "think" while I was
reading it - (an arduous task I prefer to avoid). You are fortunate
that you are able to do these things in your own shop,...
But thanks - a good exercise in finding, testing, planning a job.
Logical thinking - you probably do it automatically after all these
years.

AND - as for "losing" the 3 jaw chuck - Sorry Wes, it aint going to
get any better. Same here, hate it. The worst is when the phone rings
while you are holding something - you put it down automatically to
answer the phone, and then it vanishes, sometimes for ever......

My current job - not nearly as grand. Cut sheet of 3mm aluminium,
used a flycutter to cut 2 holes, the same exhaust diameter of 2 hard
rubbish PC power supplies. This was then mounted, recessed, into the
original vent outlet plate on the caravan refrigerator. And a *******
of a job that was - the plastic was brittle, in the end the only thing
that could touch it was the Dremel with mini-cutoff wheels - still
finding bits of them everywhere.. The thermo syphon fridge does like
hot weather, it cant get the heat out of the back, so the fans should
help.
Also welded up a frame to hold a portable mast for when I go bush
amateur radio - its hanging on the clothes line, the first coat of
paint drying.

So. My commiserations on finding the lost chuck, and thanks for a nice
metalwork story.

Andrew VK3BFA

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:14:58 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 7:03 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

A pair of inline skate wheels ($1 at the Dollar Store) could be
used...

The wheels on the Troll appear to be ~5" diameter.

I like.

Ayup. With wheels, larger is almost always better. I use 5" casters
exclusively. They'll roll my WW tools and mobile benches over the air
hoses without much bother.

Well, that's when there's not so much crap in my shop that I have any
place to move anything larger than a pencil. sigh

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:23:25 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 8:20 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:42:59 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
scrawled the following:


wrote in message
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(...)

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

OW! Wad I do to you, Larry?

Nuttin', Winsome. You asked for political insults. Surely, _that_ was
one, was it not?

You aim to please?

Ayup, using a 1200 grit diamond paddle to hone it to a fine edge.

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:35:07 -0800, Winston
wrote:

On 3/3/2010 4:45 AM, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork.

(...)

Hear Hear!

Though I am on the 'one a day' plan, with 200 entries in my Bozo Bin.

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1" plywood.

Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.

Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?



--Winston

Perhaps you could try a design similar to the sheetrock lifts? Or
maybe modify one of them for the additional weight and stresses.

I found out I'm too old to throw rock around like I used to and rented
one last Summer. That's a tool I might buy if I stumble across a good
deal.

Newb

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:41:52 -0600, "Snag"
wrote:

Winston wrote:
On 3/3/2010 6:38 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:hmls2q08u3
@news4.newsguy.com:

BTW, I'm thinking of welding up some wheeled brackets that would
allow a contractor friend to easily move 100 lb. sheets of 1"
plywood. Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so
that
he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than
having to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen
something like that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.


The drywall guys call that a "scatter dolly". If you check out a
dealer, you'll see they offer both "boom" and "scatter" delivery.

LLoyd


I see 'Sheet Rock Dolly'. That looks promising.

Thanks, Lloyd!

--Winston

The sheet rock dolly I'm familiar with has four wheels and can hold about 25
sheets at a time . If I understand you want something that can move one
sheet at a time into position for fastening ?
Something like an extra-extra wide hand truck (aka two-wheel dolly) should
work quite well . If you're talking about rolling it over to put on a saw ,
think carpet dolly type , two larger wheels , so you can slide the ply onto
it vertical , then break it over to horizontal at or near saw table height .
I usually work alone , and hate to lift heavy stuff ... especially awkward
stuff like plywood and particle board .

Which reminds me that glaziers also use a dolly for moving large
sheets of glass and mirrors. I have no idea what it's called anymore.

Newb

fired this volley in
:

Perhaps you could try a design similar to the sheetrock lifts? Or
maybe modify one of them for the additional weight and stresses.

I found out I'm too old to throw rock around like I used to and rented
one last Summer. That's a tool I might buy if I stumble across a good
deal.

$169 delivered to my door from Ebay. I often coveted one, but wouldn't
pay the $500+ bill plus shipping from the likes of Northern Tools. Then
I found the ones on Ebay, and couldn't pass up the opportunity. 'never
looked back! I wouldn't part with it.

LLoyd

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:11:17 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

fired this volley in
:

Perhaps you could try a design similar to the sheetrock lifts? Or
maybe modify one of them for the additional weight and stresses.

I found out I'm too old to throw rock around like I used to and rented
one last Summer. That's a tool I might buy if I stumble across a good
deal.

$169 delivered to my door from Ebay. I often coveted one, but wouldn't
pay the $500+ bill plus shipping from the likes of Northern Tools. Then
I found the ones on Ebay, and couldn't pass up the opportunity. 'never
looked back! I wouldn't part with it.

LLoyd

That's a good deal. I'll look into it, thanks.

Drove 250 miles to buy one from a rental company that was going under
last year. The guy told me on three seperate occasions that it would
go 10' high. I have to have that, anything less won't work. I get
there and guess how high it went? Yeah, 8' 6".

Newb

fired this volley in
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The guy told me on three seperate occasions that it would
go 10' high. I have to have that, anything less won't work. I get
there and guess how high it went? Yeah, 8' 6".

Mine goes 10'2", but even if it doesn't, you can either buy or easily
build an extension to get another 4-5' out of it. It's a simple tool,
and every one I've seen is _exactly_ the same design, even though the
vendors are really cut-throat about driving down the competition's
features and quality.

(ps... I got the "red" one. The "blue" one is inferior G. Whatever...
but I'm really happy with the "red" one.)

LLoyd

On 3/4/2010 10:11 AM, wrote:

(...)

Perhaps you could try a design similar to the sheetrock lifts? Or
maybe modify one of them for the additional weight and stresses.

I'm 'way lazier than you guys.
Those 100 lb. sheets of plywood are about 30 lb over my max limit,
even with a convenient handle.

I found out I'm too old to throw rock around like I used to and rented
one last Summer. That's a tool I might buy if I stumble across a good
deal.

Newb


Art mentioned the Telpro Troll model 49. As opposed to the Troll 29
or the Troll 112, though they are cool, too. (I'm sure glad they like
that name.)

It appeals to my sedentary natu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYHiE...layer_embedded

http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA

I wouldn't be able to locate the parts to build one for 37 bux.

I ordered one yesterday.

--Winston

Andrew VK3BFA wrote:

On Mar 4, 9:37*am, Wes wrote:
Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Okay, just to make you happy.

Wes

Wow - that was a mental exercise there - (the latter) - I knew what
you were talking about, but had to actually "think" while I was
reading it - (an arduous task I prefer to avoid). You are fortunate
that you are able to do these things in your own shop,...
But thanks - a good exercise in finding, testing, planning a job.
Logical thinking - you probably do it automatically after all these
years.

I don't do it automatically. While I do have an associate degree related to metalworking,
it wasn't what I did for many years. In the last 7 years, 15 years after I earned the
degree is when I actually started using some of what I was taught.

I primarily diagnose and repair things. A bit of machining is like icing on the cake.


AND - as for "losing" the 3 jaw chuck - Sorry Wes, it aint going to
get any better. Same here, hate it. The worst is when the phone rings
while you are holding something - you put it down automatically to
answer the phone, and then it vanishes, sometimes for ever......

Oh if that isn't the truth. My machine room is fairly tiny by American standards. Eight
foot by 11 feet with a lathe and a bridgeport. Heated and insulated. I can loose
anything in that room in a second and take minutes to find it again. Heck, I spent more
time in that room this winter than the rest of my garage and I couldn't find that darn
chuck.


My current job - not nearly as grand. Cut sheet of 3mm aluminium,
used a flycutter to cut 2 holes, the same exhaust diameter of 2 hard
rubbish PC power supplies. This was then mounted, recessed, into the
original vent outlet plate on the caravan refrigerator. And a *******
of a job that was - the plastic was brittle, in the end the only thing
that could touch it was the Dremel with mini-cutoff wheels - still
finding bits of them everywhere.. The thermo syphon fridge does like
hot weather, it cant get the heat out of the back, so the fans should
help.
Also welded up a frame to hold a portable mast for when I go bush
amateur radio - its hanging on the clothes line, the first coat of
paint drying.

So you cut outlets for two muffin fans to help out your fridge's efficency using the fly
cutter as a treplanning tool and did some welding for a portable mast for field days and
such.

What bands and modes do you work? I only have a technican class license and I'm currently
not radiating. One of these days really soon I'm going to start studying to upgrade to
General class before I have to renew my tech license. Might as well get full value for my
money

Sounds like you had a "Good Day in the Shop (TM)".

I'm still looking for the box of Gatling parts and tooling.

Wes



So. My commiserations on finding the lost chuck, and thanks for a nice
metalwork story.

Andrew VK3BFA

Larry Jaques wrote:

Ayup. With wheels, larger is almost always better. I use 5" casters
exclusively. They'll roll my WW tools and mobile benches over the air
hoses without much bother.


I have 5" casters on my 20" vertical bandsaw. I sure don't want it to stop suddenly on
some little bit of debris on my floor.

Well, that's when there's not so much crap in my shop that I have any
place to move anything larger than a pencil. sigh

I have just enough space left to start moving things to the trash bin. If after 20 years,
I haven't used it, it is time to refuse it.

Wes

Wes wrote in
:

I have just enough space left to start moving things to the trash bin.
If after 20 years, I haven't used it, it is time to refuse it.

20 minutes after the trash is hauled away you'll have an urgent need for it
and it'll prove to be made of Unobtanium.

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On 3/4/2010 10:11 AM, wrote:

(...)

Perhaps you could try a design similar to the sheetrock lifts? Or
maybe modify one of them for the additional weight and stresses.

I'm 'way lazier than you guys.
Those 100 lb. sheets of plywood are about 30 lb over my max limit,
even with a convenient handle.

I found out I'm too old to throw rock around like I used to and rented
one last Summer. That's a tool I might buy if I stumble across a good
deal.

Newb


Art mentioned the Telpro Troll model 49. As opposed to the Troll 29
or the Troll 112, though they are cool, too. (I'm sure glad they like
that name.)

It appeals to my sedentary natu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYHiE...layer_embedded

http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-3.../dp/B0000224PA

I wouldn't be able to locate the parts to build one for 37 bux.

I ordered one yesterday.

--Winston


good for you. i made something similar years ago for hauling sheetrock, a
few scraps of 1x and some fixed caster wheels. too small a diameter wheels
to do what you want though. the one you ordered is nice, i'm surprised it's
only $37.
i clicked on your youtube link, and then was scrolling down the "related"
list and watched this one. made me laugh out loud (in particular, his
frustration with a wedgie). silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmCpP9tiek

On 3/4/2010 4:47 PM, William Wixon wrote:

(...)

good for you. i made something similar years ago for hauling sheetrock, a
few scraps of 1x and some fixed caster wheels. too small a diameter wheels
to do what you want though. the one you ordered is nice, i'm surprised it's
only $37.

I hope to continue being delighted by that price.

i clicked on your youtube link, and then was scrolling down the "related"
list and watched this one. made me laugh out loud (in particular, his
frustration with a wedgie). silly.

Or the n+1 TV commercials showing complete incompetents tackling
you - name - it and failing miserably. The latest of which is
implicit, showing a bunch of ingredients necessary to prepare
authentic fried chicken, arrayed very messily on a table.

Identify the sponsor of this "finger lickin' good" ad...


--Winston