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I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I
just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Satisfying, isn't it! The best part of my favorite revolver is NOT policing brass. I'll bet the .308 throws 'em a mile in all directions. I found these nice grabbers for old people at the drug store to pick up brass...I qualify, don't I? They didn't ask for my AARP card. I'm trying to think of a way to color my auto-loader brass so I can retrieve them at the local range easily. What have you learned about headspacing? |
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a light mist of blue (or your choice of colors) layout dye works nicely,
cleans up easily later. Bu Satisfying, isn't it! The best part of my favorite revolver is NOT policing brass. I'll bet the .308 throws 'em a mile in all directions. I found these nice grabbers for old people at the drug store to pick up brass...I qualify, don't I? They didn't ask for my AARP card. I'm trying to think of a way to color my auto-loader brass so I can retrieve them at the local range easily. What have you learned about headspacing? |
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What have you learned about headspacing? I guess I haven't learned any more. I'm just resizing the neck down to the shoulder and it works fine in my gun. I've reloaded a few bullets three times and they still work fine. I'll just worry about it when I have a problem, i guess. Karl |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote:
I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. I use a swaging die to fix the pocket but there are other ways. Reloading is a pretty pleasant way to spend an evening. There seems to be an ingrained desire to produce something in my kind of people. The rest tend to be useless eaters. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:33:35 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl One assumes you fired some of your ammo in testing before cranking out 1000 rds? And jervelcomen! Its good to see folks actually reloading rather than spending more and more money on factory ammo. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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One assumes you fired some of your ammo in testing before cranking out 1000 rds? We fired a dozen into the dark friday night before the kid went out with his buddies. He had a bit of trouble waking up this morning (lots o' beer does that to you) and we had tons o' customers cutting down Xmas trees in the firing range all day. Mom thought it poor form to waste a customer. The kid said we'd only scare them and maybe wing one but she wasn't convinced VBG Karl |
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:42:16 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: What have you learned about headspacing? I guess I haven't learned any more. I'm just resizing the neck down to the shoulder and it works fine in my gun. I've reloaded a few bullets three times and they still work fine. I'll just worry about it when I have a problem, i guess. Karl You did good. Just be sure to try them in another rifle if you decide to give some to somone else or get a second rifle of the same cartridge type. Next we will teach you about neck sizing dies.....G Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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"RoyJ" wrote in message ... a light mist of blue (or your choice of colors) layout dye works nicely, cleans up easily later. Bu I tried Dykem but it leaves too much in the chamber, maybe a lighter application. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:42:16 -0600, "Karl Townsend" wrote: What have you learned about headspacing? I guess I haven't learned any more. I'm just resizing the neck down to the shoulder and it works fine in my gun. I've reloaded a few bullets three times and they still work fine. I'll just worry about it when I have a problem, i guess. Karl You did good. Just be sure to try them in another rifle if you decide to give some to somone else or get a second rifle of the same cartridge type. Next we will teach you about neck sizing dies.....G Gunner Is it the same with all shouldered rimmless cartridges? In .308 there is this imaginary circle in the shoulder. Rimmed or belted cartridges have a different reference point. When you start looking at pressure wave deflection and focus, my eyes start to glaze over. Sometimes I'm amazed that any of this **** works at all. The more I know, the less I know...the variables start to really pile up. On the other hand, it all DOES work to a greater or lesser extent, it's chasing the tiny details that ballistic experts have been dealing with for years that I find interesting yet mind boggling. |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... One assumes you fired some of your ammo in testing before cranking out 1000 rds? We fired a dozen into the dark friday night before the kid went out with his buddies. He had a bit of trouble waking up this morning (lots o' beer does that to you) and we had tons o' customers cutting down Xmas trees in the firing range all day. Mom thought it poor form to waste a customer. The kid said we'd only scare them and maybe wing one but she wasn't convinced VBG Karl Fertilizer? |
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"Buerste" wrote in message ... "RoyJ" wrote in message ... a light mist of blue (or your choice of colors) layout dye works nicely, cleans up easily later. Bu I tried Dykem but it leaves too much in the chamber, maybe a lighter application. Dilute it with acetone. You can get it so thin it won't flake off. Harold |
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On Dec 5, 8:33*am, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another *brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl |
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message . .. "Buerste" wrote in message ... "RoyJ" wrote in message ... a light mist of blue (or your choice of colors) layout dye works nicely, cleans up easily later. Bu I tried Dykem but it leaves too much in the chamber, maybe a lighter application. Dilute it with acetone. You can get it so thin it won't flake off. Harold Mmmmm...acetone...mmmmmm! |
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:53:30 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:42:16 -0600, "Karl Townsend" wrote: What have you learned about headspacing? I guess I haven't learned any more. I'm just resizing the neck down to the shoulder and it works fine in my gun. I've reloaded a few bullets three times and they still work fine. I'll just worry about it when I have a problem, i guess. Karl You did good. Just be sure to try them in another rifle if you decide to give some to somone else or get a second rifle of the same cartridge type. Next we will teach you about neck sizing dies.....G Gunner Is it the same with all shouldered rimmless cartridges? In .308 there is this imaginary circle in the shoulder. Rimmed or belted cartridges have a different reference point. When you start looking at pressure wave deflection and focus, my eyes start to glaze over. Sometimes I'm amazed that any of this **** works at all. The more I know, the less I know...the variables start to really pile up. On the other hand, it all DOES work to a greater or lesser extent, it's chasing the tiny details that ballistic experts have been dealing with for years that I find interesting yet mind boggling. Yes..it really does work for nearly all shouldered cartridges, rimmed and rimless. Including the belted magnums. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33*am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another *brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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"Buerste" wrote:
I'm trying to think of a way to color my auto-loader brass so I can retrieve them at the local range easily. I just color the primer with a permanent marker. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Yes..it really does work for nearly all shouldered cartridges, rimmed and rimless. Including the belted magnums. Gunner STILL have e-mail issues, I assume the Internet gods are at fault. |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. -- Steve W. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I made a fixture to drill out some .223 steel cases Berdan and converted them to Boxer. If I had a lot of them, I would have bought or made a collet for my W&S #2 turret lathe. That would have been FAST! I reloaded the Wolf cases just to see if I could...still don't like 'em. (I fixed the e-mail) |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I made a fixture to drill out some .223 steel cases Berdan and converted them to Boxer. If I had a lot of them, I would have bought or made a collet for my W&S #2 turret lathe. That would have been FAST! I reloaded the Wolf cases just to see if I could...still don't like 'em. (I fixed the e-mail) |
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"Steve W." wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. -- Steve W. Save the empties, it's not hard to convert them to Boxer. |
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On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:33:35 -0600, Karl Townsend wrote:
I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. When I read the subject line, I thought this was gong to be about generals and stuff. ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:15:49 -0500, "Steve W."
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. Its probably..though not always...probably made for a machine gun. Lots and lots of machine gun ammo came into the US and sold. Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:31 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. -- Steve W. Save the empties, it's not hard to convert them to Boxer. Blink blink....what method is used? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. Its probably..though not always...probably made for a machine gun. Lots and lots of machine gun ammo came into the US and sold. Gunner This stuff is Turkish made, comes all preloaded in strippers and set up for the Mauser. I have to remind folks that it is NOT civilian ammo. The problem with 8MM is that many of the early guns used a smaller bore in the barrel. The early (model 1888 and 1898) 8mm was loaded to a nominal 2,034 fps with a 227-grain .318 inch bullet. This one referred to as the 8x57J. In 1905 it was replaced with a high-velocity version loaded with a 154-grain Spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,936 fps. The new loading was officially designated as the 8x57JS, and bullet diameter was increased to .323 inch. So to make it safe for ALL guns they load down civilian ammo to make up for the problem. However if your sure you have the later bore the mil-surp stuff really wakes up the gun. Also corrects the minor problem of the low zero from the sights being set to zero at 300 meters. I am currently looking at pulling down the GEW I have and putting a new barrel on it in 8mm but shorter and thicker. Then a good stock. Make it into a nice carry gun.(The current barrel is SHOT so it's not a big loss) -- Steve W. |
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On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:32:32 -0500, "Steve W."
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. Its probably..though not always...probably made for a machine gun. Lots and lots of machine gun ammo came into the US and sold. Gunner This stuff is Turkish made, comes all preloaded in strippers and set up for the Mauser. I have to remind folks that it is NOT civilian ammo. The problem with 8MM is that many of the early guns used a smaller bore in the barrel. The early (model 1888 and 1898) 8mm was loaded to a nominal 2,034 fps with a 227-grain .318 inch bullet. This one referred to as the 8x57J. In 1905 it was replaced with a high-velocity version loaded with a 154-grain Spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,936 fps. The new loading was officially designated as the 8x57JS, and bullet diameter was increased to .323 inch. True indeed. However....318 barrels are actually rather rare, due to the amount of time between 1909...G and now. Ive seen (1) that was .318. Most military arms were returned to the arsenal and rebarreled long before WW1. Ive been a Mauser fan for many years, and have at one time or another, owned probably more than 150 Mausers, from the 71/84 to post WW2. Ive got a civilian 98..made by Kornbush (pre DWM) and its .323..made in 1915 for civilian market. Obviously pre WW1. When Kornbush started making them for the Wermacht..they were so marked and the Co. was dropped http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww1/gew98.pdf So to make it safe for ALL guns they load down civilian ammo to make up for the problem. However if your sure you have the later bore the mil-surp stuff really wakes up the gun. Also corrects the minor problem of the low zero from the sights being set to zero at 300 meters. True indeed. I am currently looking at pulling down the GEW I have and putting a new barrel on it in 8mm but shorter and thicker. Then a good stock. Make it into a nice carry gun.(The current barrel is SHOT so it's not a big loss) Other than having a massive quantity of 8mm on hand..why not barrel it in .308/7.62 Nato? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:32:32 -0500, "Steve W." wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. Its probably..though not always...probably made for a machine gun. Lots and lots of machine gun ammo came into the US and sold. Gunner This stuff is Turkish made, comes all preloaded in strippers and set up for the Mauser. I have to remind folks that it is NOT civilian ammo. The problem with 8MM is that many of the early guns used a smaller bore in the barrel. The early (model 1888 and 1898) 8mm was loaded to a nominal 2,034 fps with a 227-grain .318 inch bullet. This one referred to as the 8x57J. In 1905 it was replaced with a high-velocity version loaded with a 154-grain Spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,936 fps. The new loading was officially designated as the 8x57JS, and bullet diameter was increased to .323 inch. True indeed. However....318 barrels are actually rather rare, due to the amount of time between 1909...G and now. Ive seen (1) that was .318. Most military arms were returned to the arsenal and rebarreled long before WW1. Ive been a Mauser fan for many years, and have at one time or another, owned probably more than 150 Mausers, from the 71/84 to post WW2. I've had a couple of the small bores. Probably a total of 25 various Mausers myself. Ive got a civilian 98..made by Kornbush (pre DWM) and its .323..made in 1915 for civilian market. Obviously pre WW1. When Kornbush started making them for the Wermacht..they were so marked and the Co. was dropped http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww1/gew98.pdf So to make it safe for ALL guns they load down civilian ammo to make up for the problem. However if your sure you have the later bore the mil-surp stuff really wakes up the gun. Also corrects the minor problem of the low zero from the sights being set to zero at 300 meters. True indeed. I am currently looking at pulling down the GEW I have and putting a new barrel on it in 8mm but shorter and thicker. Then a good stock. Make it into a nice carry gun.(The current barrel is SHOT so it's not a big loss) Other than having a massive quantity of 8mm on hand..why not barrel it in .308/7.62 Nato? Already have a "couple" in 7.62 Plus I like having the occasional oddball. They make the gun cabinets more fun... Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost -- Steve W. |
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On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:47:33 -0500, "Steve W."
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:32:32 -0500, "Steve W." wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: I have a ton of Berdan primed ammo on hand for the 8mm Mauser. Surplus ammo. Loaded REAL hot though. Not bad stuff as long as you don't try it in some lightweight rifles. Its probably..though not always...probably made for a machine gun. Lots and lots of machine gun ammo came into the US and sold. Gunner This stuff is Turkish made, comes all preloaded in strippers and set up for the Mauser. I have to remind folks that it is NOT civilian ammo. The problem with 8MM is that many of the early guns used a smaller bore in the barrel. The early (model 1888 and 1898) 8mm was loaded to a nominal 2,034 fps with a 227-grain .318 inch bullet. This one referred to as the 8x57J. In 1905 it was replaced with a high-velocity version loaded with a 154-grain Spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,936 fps. The new loading was officially designated as the 8x57JS, and bullet diameter was increased to .323 inch. True indeed. However....318 barrels are actually rather rare, due to the amount of time between 1909...G and now. Ive seen (1) that was .318. Most military arms were returned to the arsenal and rebarreled long before WW1. Ive been a Mauser fan for many years, and have at one time or another, owned probably more than 150 Mausers, from the 71/84 to post WW2. I've had a couple of the small bores. Probably a total of 25 various Mausers myself. Ive got a civilian 98..made by Kornbush (pre DWM) and its .323..made in 1915 for civilian market. Obviously pre WW1. When Kornbush started making them for the Wermacht..they were so marked and the Co. was dropped http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww1/gew98.pdf So to make it safe for ALL guns they load down civilian ammo to make up for the problem. However if your sure you have the later bore the mil-surp stuff really wakes up the gun. Also corrects the minor problem of the low zero from the sights being set to zero at 300 meters. True indeed. I am currently looking at pulling down the GEW I have and putting a new barrel on it in 8mm but shorter and thicker. Then a good stock. Make it into a nice carry gun.(The current barrel is SHOT so it's not a big loss) Other than having a massive quantity of 8mm on hand..why not barrel it in .308/7.62 Nato? Already have a "couple" in 7.62 Plus I like having the occasional oddball. They make the gun cabinets more fun... Oh..ok. Then simply go to Numrich Arms or the various gun auction sites and order a new barrel. http://www.98mauser.com/ http://sst.benchrest.com/ Gunner Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Dec 6, 2:11*am, "Snag" wrote:
wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl * Boxer . Berdan cases are too much of a PITA to decap , and I've yet to find a source for the primers . Wish it were easier , I've got lots of Berdan primed cases ... and I really hate to toss them after only one use |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:34:19 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Dec 5, 8:33 am, "Karl Townsend" wrote: I'm mostly posting to say thanks to Gunner, Tom, and Don. "The Kid" and I just finished reloading 1000 rounds 9mm. It went smooth as silk once we learned the trick to chamfer the primer ring on military brass. Just put a counter sink in the lathe and run it at about 500. Touch the brass to it for a second and its perfect. I got to grabbing another brass with one hand and transferring it to the other to chamfer really fast. Thanks again for all the help getting us in the reloading bidness. Karl Are these Berdan or boxer primed? Karl One assumes boxer. Berdan is rather rare in the US and is a pain in the ass to reload for. Gunner I made a fixture to drill out some .223 steel cases Berdan and converted them to Boxer. If I had a lot of them, I would have bought or made a collet for my W&S #2 turret lathe. That would have been FAST! I reloaded the Wolf cases just to see if I could...still don't like 'em. (I fixed the e-mail) How did you close up the existing multiple flash holes? Gunner "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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