One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10 years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus"; bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says Farr.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/new...nElectric.html

Best Regards

Tom.

"azotic" wrote in message
...
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009
Industrial Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by
Bloomberg, Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China
and India because they are "places where people want the products and
where the governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going
to hire anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing
everything possible to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10
years; a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus";
bailouts for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for
cap and trade legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the
tune of more than $1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a
"lack of U.S. $ support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will
fade," says Farr.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/new...nElectric.html

Best Regards

Tom.



Yep, sounds about right. The Democrats can't get everybody dependent on
Gov. cheese-checks if there are wealth-creating jobs available from
independent business. Therefore, the Democrats must destroy businesses that
they can't own or control completely. Look at the businesses the Democrats
have destroyed, commandeered, stolen or driven overseas. Notice how Obama
didn't have representatives from small businesses at his "Job Talk" thing.
Then he blamed small businesses for not hiring more employees. What a fool!
Can the Conservatives turn around this blatant power grab when they take
back Congress in 2010 and the WH in 2012? American citizens are already fed
up with the Democrats, I can't wait until they are tossed out.

Emerson Electric is where I bought two Syncrowave 250s for $150 each.

i

Ignoramus26134 wrote:
Emerson Electric is where I bought two Syncrowave 250s for $150 each.

I bought a cookie yesterday, I ate it after lunch. I am proud of myself.

On 2009-12-04, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:
Emerson Electric is where I bought two Syncrowave 250s for $150 each.

I bought a cookie yesterday, I ate it after lunch. I am proud of myself.

Considering the apparent lack of more interesting things that you have
reported, you have every reason to be proud of that.

i

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:25:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:
snip
Can the Conservatives turn around this blatant power grab when they take
back Congress in 2010 and the WH in 2012?
snip
============
It appears to be very late in the game for any such turnaround.

It increasingly appears that the "establishment's" idea of
economic recovery and development is the [re]inflation of asset
bubbles rather than the [re]establishment of a solid base of high
value added manufacturing.

For one thing the trained workforce has been dissipated, and for
another, much of the physical plant, infrastructure and
supporting businesses have been liquidated.

Even if there was the political will to again stress domestic
high value added manufacturing, the workforce must be
[re]trained, the plants, machines, and processes reconstructed,
and the supporting businesses reconstituted.

In any event, the RINOs and neo-con/closet fascists, even with a
new Republican/Conservative cost of camouflage paint won't/can't
get the job done.

Ignoramus26134 wrote:
On 2009-12-04, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:
Emerson Electric is where I bought two Syncrowave 250s for $150 each.

I bought a cookie yesterday, I ate it after lunch. I am proud of myself.

Considering the apparent lack of more interesting things that you have
reported, you have every reason to be proud of that.

I bought a drill bit at Ace Hardware once. I am very proud of my
accomplishment.

On Dec 4, 2:53*am, "azotic" wrote:
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10 years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus"; bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says Farr.

On Dec 4, 2:53*am, "azotic" wrote:
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10 years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus"; bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says Farr.

Ignoramus26134 wrote:
On 2009-12-04, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:
On 2009-12-04, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:
Emerson Electric is where I bought two Syncrowave 250s for $150 each.

I bought a cookie yesterday, I ate it after lunch. I am proud of myself.

Considering the apparent lack of more interesting things that you have
reported, you have every reason to be proud of that.

I bought a drill bit at Ace Hardware once. I am very proud of my
accomplishment.

Wow!

What is a drill bit?

i

my bad, I meant I bought welder from a company. I'm so proud of myself- I
just have to tell everybody!

Buerste wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Dec 4, 2:53 am, "azotic" wrote:
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything
possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10
years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus";
bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and
trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more
than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says
Farr.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/new...nElectric.html

Best Regards

Tom.

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

Possibly because there isn't any American company that makes the
product?

Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Dec 4, 6:51*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. Emerson products will be made by people that work and should be
rewarded for working. You seem to have a very provincial mind.

Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things, with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?
The US is headed towards (God willing) a short term as a "soft"
currency. Meaning that the US Dollar will not be a preferred currency
except locally, and then maybe not even then. (I'll give an example
of what having a "soft" currency means. Negotiating in the cashbah in
Tangiers, the guy would not go below six dinar. Till my friend pulled
out a US dollar bill - then going for four dinar at the exchange.
Ended the haggling, closed the deal, everybody got the better end.)
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

I would also expect firms like Emerson to reconsider moving their
production abroad, in case if dollar continues to decline in value
against other currencies and approaches a more realistic exchange
rate.

i

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:53:26 -0800, azotic wrote:

One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009
Industrial Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11.

By protecting the unions, who have caused the problem. Companies simply
can't afford to pay $50.00/hr for work that's only worth $20.

Cheers!
Rich

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:51:32 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT
=============
This seems to yet another example where the US legal structure,
policy and regulations are at least a generation behind reality.
I also find it hard to imagine a Japanese, Korean, Chinese, or
German CEO making such a public statement.

At one time, apparently up through the mid to late 80s, a
more-or-less accurate , albeit unconscious, syllogism summarized
the American economy.

When American companies do well, America does well,
.. and when America does well, Americans do well.

About the mid to late 80s, a wave of internationalism swept
through America's corporations with the result that the
corporations (and indeed their officers and directors) no longer
regard themselves as American corporations, but rather as
international corporations that happened to be, more-or-less by
historical accident, domiciled/chartered in the US.

FWIW -- this shift in corporate outlook has not stopped these
"international" companies from running to the Federal government
for assistance and "muscle" in trade disputes, nor has it slowed
down their avid and eager sucking on the Federal tit in the
slightest.


Unka George

(George McDuffee)

The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Dec 4, 6:51 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. Emerson products will be made by people that work and should
be rewarded for working. You seem to have a very provincial mind.

Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things,

LOL
They are moving to their markets. A global economy is served locally. It
couldn't be otherwise.
"the US Government" has nothing to do with that fact of life.


with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?

Why do you support the creation or promotion of "government" that would have
you embrace a five dollar per day standard of living?
Just head off to China, or Viet Nam. You are unemployed anyway. Go and do
somethin'!
Take Gummer with you. He's ripped of his fellows beyond his time.
The both of you need skills you don't have to be worth anything as
employees.

pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Obviously true in your case.


--
John R. Carroll

Let the Record show that Rich Grise on or
about Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:41:34 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:53:26 -0800, azotic wrote:

One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009
Industrial Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11.

By protecting the unions, who have caused the problem. Companies simply
can't afford to pay $50.00/hr for work that's only worth $20.

Paying $20.05 for work worth $20.00 is merely a slow way to ruin.

As we said in the machine shop "If the spindle ain't turning,you
ain't earning."
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

When your competition is moving to China and our current government thinks business is
still the cash cow to milk, I'd have similar views.

I really hate corporate taxes, those get paid by the consumers but we the consumers don't
see how those taxes empty our pockets.

This is a distinction between the Dems and the Republicans. Dems like taxing corporations
so consumers don't see how it affects them. Republicans don't like taxing corporations
since that is where jobs exist.

Eventually we have to pay for everything but I truly believe, the Republicans want the guy
or gal working for a living to see what government is costing him. The Dems, the party of
government, doesn't want you to see how the parasitic constituency empties your pocket.


Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Dec 4, 1:23*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

...
On Dec 4, 2:53 am, "azotic" wrote:





One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything
possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10
years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus";
bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and
trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more
than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says
Farr.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/new...nElectric.html

Best Regards

Tom.

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT
**********************
Why should any manufacturer care about the US markets? *The rest of the
world has some sane governments, friendly to manufacturing and have huge
markets for manufactured goods. *The US is broke, heavily in debt, with
shrinking markets and rapidly becoming a third-world country. *Enjoy your
libtard Utopia!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Says a winger whose largest market is in the United States.

Hypocrite.

How's that massive company expansion working for you?

TMT

On Dec 4, 1:40*pm, " wrote:
On Dec 4, 6:51*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. *Emerson products will be made by people that work and should be
rewarded for working. *You seem to have a very provincial mind.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

So you are saying that only the Chinese should buy Emerson products?

So why is Emerson even in the United States?

Are the Chinese paid enough to buy them?

TMT

On Dec 4, 2:02*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Buerste wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
....
On Dec 4, 2:53 am, "azotic" wrote:
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO
of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial
Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg,
Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India
because they are "places where people want the products and where the
governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States. I'm moving. They are doing everything
possible
to destroy jobs."

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site,
Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S.
economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP);
$12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10
years;
a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus";
bailouts
for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and
trade
legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more
than
$1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $
support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says
Farr.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/new...nElectric.html

Best Regards

Tom.

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

Possibly because there isn't any American company that makes the
product?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ever hear of going without?

And other AMERICAN companies who DO hire Americans do make comparable
products.

TMT

On Dec 4, 2:20*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking *the following:

On Dec 4, 6:51*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. *Emerson products will be made by people that work and should be
rewarded for working. *You seem to have a very provincial mind.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

* * * * I have a question for the TMT types. *If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things, with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?
* * * * The US is headed towards (God willing) a short term as a "soft"
currency. *Meaning that the US Dollar will not be a preferred currency
except locally, and then maybe not even then. * (I'll give an example
of what having a "soft" currency means. Negotiating in the cashbah in
Tangiers, the guy would not go below six dinar. Till my friend pulled
out a US dollar bill - then going for four dinar at the exchange.
Ended the haggling, closed the deal, everybody got the better end.)
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Answer my question...that you are avoiding to answer.

The CEO has publicly stated that he WILL NOT HIRE AMERICANS.

So he has publically stated that he only expects Americans to pay him
through buying his Chinese products and WILL NOT HIRE AMERICANS
thereby not creating wealth here in the United States.

Sounds like an economic domestic terrorist to me who is feeding upon
the wealth of the United States.

TMT

On Dec 4, 2:20*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking *the following:

On Dec 4, 6:51*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. *Emerson products will be made by people that work and should be
rewarded for working. *You seem to have a very provincial mind.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

* * * * I have a question for the TMT types. *If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things, with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?
* * * * The US is headed towards (God willing) a short term as a "soft"
currency. *Meaning that the US Dollar will not be a preferred currency
except locally, and then maybe not even then. * (I'll give an example
of what having a "soft" currency means. Negotiating in the cashbah in
Tangiers, the guy would not go below six dinar. Till my friend pulled
out a US dollar bill - then going for four dinar at the exchange.
Ended the haggling, closed the deal, everybody got the better end.)
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

You are so full of BS.

So why isn't Emerson requiring currency instead of the American
dollar?

TMT

On Dec 4, 2:27*pm, Ignoramus26134 ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26134.invalid wrote:
Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

I would also expect firms like Emerson to reconsider moving their
production abroad, in case if dollar continues to decline in value
against other currencies and approaches a more realistic exchange
rate.

i

As usual Ig is correct.

The CEO is throwing his typical fit because we now actually have an
Adminstration.....a Democratic Adminstration...that is not rubber
stamping corporate interests.

The man actually will have to start earning his pay.

Cry me a river winger....

TMT

On Dec 4, 3:41*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:53:26 -0800, azotic wrote:
One of the country's most important industrial companies says the United
States is not a good place to manufacture and it will continue moving its
assets offshore.

The federal government is "doing everything in [its] manpower [and]
capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing," says David Farr, chairman and
CEO of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009
Industrial Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11.

By protecting the unions, who have caused the problem. Companies simply
can't afford to pay $50.00/hr for work that's only worth $20.

Cheers!
Rich

Another BS statement.

Do you get paid by the shovel?

TMT

On Dec 5, 1:12*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So you are saying that only the Chinese should buy Emerson products?

No

So why is Emerson even in the United States?
Ask Emerson.


Are the Chinese paid enough to buy them?

Yes

TMT

On Dec 4, 4:44*pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking *the following:
On Dec 4, 6:51 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. *Emerson products will be made by people that work and should
be rewarded for working. *You seem to have a very provincial mind.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. *If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things,

LOL
They are moving to their markets. A global economy is served locally. It
couldn't be otherwise.
"the US Government" has nothing to do with that fact of life.

with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?

Why do you support the creation or promotion of "government" that would have
you embrace a five dollar per day standard of living?
Just head off to China, or Viet Nam. You are unemployed anyway. Go and do
somethin'!
Take Gummer with you. He's ripped of his fellows beyond his time.
The both of you need skills you don't have to be worth anything as
employees.

pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Obviously true in your case.

--
John R. Carroll- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Likely he wants it because his economic situation is five dollars a
day.

But one must wonder why he and Gunner don't move to China?

But then again they would have to actually work wouldn't they?

And all their BS Usenet postings would come to a screeching halt.

TMT

On Dec 4, 4:22*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:51:32 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools

wrote:
I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

=============
This seems to yet another example where the US legal structure,
policy and regulations are at least a generation behind reality.
I also find it hard to imagine a Japanese, Korean, Chinese, or
German CEO making such a public statement. *

At one time, apparently up through the mid to late 80s, a
more-or-less accurate , albeit unconscious, syllogism summarized
the American economy.

* * * * * *When American companies do well, America does well,
. * * * * *and when America does well, Americans do well.

About the mid to late 80s, a wave of internationalism swept
through America's corporations with the result that the
corporations (and indeed their officers and directors) no longer
regard themselves as American corporations, but rather as
international corporations that happened to be, more-or-less by
historical accident, domiciled/chartered in the US.

FWIW -- this shift in corporate outlook has not stopped these
"international" companies from running to the Federal government
for assistance and "muscle" in trade disputes, *nor has it slowed
down their avid and eager sucking on the Federal tit in the
slightest.

Unka George

(George McDuffee)

The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

Making CEO compensation a function of USA (labor and content) sales
would go a long ways to adjusting attitude.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 4, 4:44 pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause
to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Dec 4, 6:51 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer
or business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. Emerson products will be made by people that work and should
be rewarded for working. You seem to have a very provincial mind.

Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things,

LOL
They are moving to their markets. A global economy is served
locally. It couldn't be otherwise.
"the US Government" has nothing to do with that fact of life.

with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?

Why do you support the creation or promotion of "government" that
would have you embrace a five dollar per day standard of living?
Just head off to China, or Viet Nam. You are unemployed anyway. Go
and do somethin'!
Take Gummer with you. He's ripped of his fellows beyond his time.
The both of you need skills you don't have to be worth anything as
employees.

pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Obviously true in your case.

--
John R. Carroll- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Likely he wants it because his economic situation is five dollars a
day.

But one must wonder why he and Gunner don't move to China?

But then again they would have to actually work wouldn't they?

I think Pyotr would be willing and able to put in an honest days work.
He's described his job here a couple of times and it isn't gravy.
That description, however, is the problem. I could replcae him with a robot
and an optical scanning inspection station.
It would be more reliable than any human and be without the costs related to
employment.

He needs to train out of a discipline that supports this as a smart business
descision.
His competition isn't some Chinaman, it's GE Fanuc Robotics.


--
John R. Carroll

On Dec 4, 7:29*pm, " wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:12*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So you are saying that only the Chinese should buy Emerson products?

No

So why is Emerson even in the United States?

Ask Emerson.



Are the Chinese paid enough to buy them?

Yes





TMT- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So why isn't Emerson totally in China...production and sales?

And why does the CEO still live in the USA...can't find a house in
China?

Does the door have to hit them in the butt before the CEO quits
whining?

TMT

On Dec 4, 8:27*pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 4, 4:44 pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that " on or
about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause
to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Dec 4, 6:51 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer
or business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. Emerson products will be made by people that work and should
be rewarded for working. You seem to have a very provincial mind.

Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things,

LOL
They are moving to their markets. A global economy is served
locally. It couldn't be otherwise.
"the US Government" has nothing to do with that fact of life.

with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?

Why do you support the creation or promotion of "government" that
would have you embrace a five dollar per day standard of living?
Just head off to China, or Viet Nam. You are unemployed anyway. Go
and do somethin'!
Take Gummer with you. He's ripped of his fellows beyond his time.
The both of you need skills you don't have to be worth anything as
employees.

pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Obviously true in your case.

--
John R. Carroll- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Likely he wants it because his economic situation is five dollars a
day.

But one must wonder why he and Gunner don't move to China?

But then again they would have to actually work wouldn't they?

I think Pyotr would be willing and able to put in an honest days work.
He's described his job here a couple of times and it isn't gravy.
That description, however, is the problem. I could replcae him with a robot
and an optical scanning inspection station.
It would be more reliable than any human and be without the costs related to
employment.

He needs to train out of a discipline that supports this as a smart business
descision.
His competition isn't some Chinaman, it's GE Fanuc Robotics.

--
John R. Carroll- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And the Chinese programmers that GE has doing the programming.

TMT

On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

When your competition is moving to China and our current government
thinks business is still the cash cow to milk, I'd have similar
views.

I really hate corporate taxes, those get paid by the consumers but
we the consumers don't see how those taxes empty our pockets.

This is a distinction between the Dems and the Republicans. Dems
like taxing corporations so consumers don't see how it affects them.
Republicans don't like taxing corporations since that is where jobs
exist.

Eventually we have to pay for everything but I truly believe, the
Republicans want the guy or gal working for a living to see what
government is costing him. The Dems, the party of government,
doesn't want you to see how the parasitic constituency empties your
pocket.
1
I think that we should separate the "what" from "why".

Republicans like corporations and "the wealthy" to pay less income
taxes.

I think that you are right by saying so.

The next question is why exactly they do so. Maybe it is because they
like downtrodden people? Or maybe it is accidental? Or, perhaps, maybe
it is because Republicans get donations from those welthy people?

In any case, as you pointed out, eventually we have to pay for
everything.

i

"Ignoramus26134" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and
other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

Ridge Tool is owned by Emerson.

Emerson is widely diversified in industrial, home, medical, and other
industries, and they're always looking for growth.

What's going on here is that they're planning to move to high-growth parts
of the world and their CEO is trying to make them look like heroes for doing
so, rather than like the heels they'll be seen as, as they close their US
plants.

Among the many ironies is that Dave Farr is bitching about the US embarking
on a universal health care system, while he's planning to move a lot of
plant to China, where they embarked on an even more extreme nationalization
of health care in January of this year. The rest of his complaint is of
similar substance and character.

China and India will have growth rates that the West is not likely to see
again. My impression of Emerson has always been that they talk a good line
about long-term growth, while they make tactical moves to enhance short-term
profit. They seem to have their eyes on nothing so much as the value of
their stock, quarter-to-quarter. They are loyal to nothing and to nobody.

So, Farr is following the money, heading for parts of the world that are
digging out of the middle ages and growing at twice the West's growth rate.
Expect some surprise plant closings and trucks moving in and out in the
middle of the night.

--
Ed Huntress

On 2009-12-05, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Ignoramus26134" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and
other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

Ridge Tool is owned by Emerson.

yep, you are right.

i

Emerson is widely diversified in industrial, home, medical, and other
industries, and they're always looking for growth.

What's going on here is that they're planning to move to high-growth parts
of the world and their CEO is trying to make them look like heroes for doing
so, rather than like the heels they'll be seen as, as they close their US
plants.

Among the many ironies is that Dave Farr is bitching about the US embarking
on a universal health care system, while he's planning to move a lot of
plant to China, where they embarked on an even more extreme nationalization
of health care in January of this year. The rest of his complaint is of
similar substance and character.

China and India will have growth rates that the West is not likely to see
again. My impression of Emerson has always been that they talk a good line
about long-term growth, while they make tactical moves to enhance short-term
profit. They seem to have their eyes on nothing so much as the value of
their stock, quarter-to-quarter. They are loyal to nothing and to nobody.

So, Farr is following the money, heading for parts of the world that are
digging out of the middle ages and growing at twice the West's growth rate.
Expect some surprise plant closings and trucks moving in and out in the
middle of the night.

On Dec 4, 9:35*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Ignoramus26134" wrote in message

...

On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and
other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

Ridge Tool is owned by Emerson.

Emerson is widely diversified in industrial, home, medical, and other
industries, and they're always looking for growth.

What's going on here is that they're planning to move to high-growth parts
of the world and their CEO is trying to make them look like heroes for doing
so, rather than like the heels they'll be seen as, as they close their US
plants.

Among the many ironies is that Dave Farr is bitching about the US embarking
on a universal health care system, while he's planning to move a lot of
plant to China, where they embarked on an even more extreme nationalization
of health care in January of this year. The rest of his complaint is of
similar substance and character.

China and India will have growth rates that the West is not likely to see
again. My impression of Emerson has always been that they talk a good line
about long-term growth, while they make tactical moves to enhance short-term
profit. They seem to have their eyes on nothing so much as the value of
their stock, quarter-to-quarter. They are loyal to nothing and to nobody.

So, Farr is following the money, heading for parts of the world that are
digging out of the middle ages and growing at twice the West's growth rate.
Expect some surprise plant closings and trucks moving in and out in the
middle of the night.

--
Ed Huntress

I agree.

F*ckhead Farr has worked hard to earn his nickname.

A real Republican hypocrite.

TMT

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:37:26 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:25:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:
snip
Can the Conservatives turn around this blatant power grab when they take
back Congress in 2010 and the WH in 2012?
snip
============
It appears to be very late in the game for any such turnaround.

It increasingly appears that the "establishment's" idea of
economic recovery and development is the [re]inflation of asset
bubbles rather than the [re]establishment of a solid base of high
value added manufacturing.

For one thing the trained workforce has been dissipated, and for
another, much of the physical plant, infrastructure and
supporting businesses have been liquidated.

Even if there was the political will to again stress domestic
high value added manufacturing, the workforce must be
[re]trained, the plants, machines, and processes reconstructed,
and the supporting businesses reconstituted.

In any event, the RINOs and neo-con/closet fascists, even with a
new Republican/Conservative cost of camouflage paint won't/can't
get the job done.

Indeed.

Gunner, Independant


"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

wrote:
On Dec 4, 6:51?pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I am passing on a question that I was just asked about this post.

If Emerson will not hire any Americans (" I am not going to hire
anybody in the United States."), why should any American consumer or
business buy a product that contains Emerson content?

TMT

Easy. Emerson products will be made by people that work and should be
rewarded for working. You seem to have a very provincial mind.

Dan

Emerson has absorbed quite a few respected companies that make good
products over the years.

They're pretty much the Vishay of the electrical world. If you don't know
what Vishay is, just look at their website http://www.vishay.com/

every type of product they make is from one of more companies they
absorbed. It's truly impressive.

Let the Record show that "John R. Carroll" on
or about Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:44:38 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Dan

I have a question for the TMT types. If Emerson moves production
outside the US, because the US Government seems to be opposed to
people who actually hire people and produce things,

LOL
They are moving to their markets. A global economy is served locally. It
couldn't be otherwise.
"the US Government" has nothing to do with that fact of life.


with what will
they buy products which have Emerson content? Government IOUs? Food
ration cards?

Why do you support the creation or promotion of "government" that would have
you embrace a five dollar per day standard of living?
Just head off to China, or Viet Nam. You are unemployed anyway. Go and do
somethin'!

Why should I go to a third world country, where I don't speak the
language, whenthe Demcorats are blithely attempting to transform the
US into athird world country, where I still don't speak the language?
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:56:21 -0600, Ignoramus26134
wrote:

On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

When your competition is moving to China and our current government
thinks business is still the cash cow to milk, I'd have similar
views.

I really hate corporate taxes, those get paid by the consumers but
we the consumers don't see how those taxes empty our pockets.

This is a distinction between the Dems and the Republicans. Dems
like taxing corporations so consumers don't see how it affects them.
Republicans don't like taxing corporations since that is where jobs
exist.

Eventually we have to pay for everything but I truly believe, the
Republicans want the guy or gal working for a living to see what
government is costing him. The Dems, the party of government,
doesn't want you to see how the parasitic constituency empties your
pocket.
1
I think that we should separate the "what" from "why".

Republicans like corporations and "the wealthy" to pay less income
taxes.

I think that you are right by saying so.

The next question is why exactly they do so. Maybe it is because they
like downtrodden people? Or maybe it is accidental? Or, perhaps, maybe
it is because Republicans get donations from those welthy people?

In any case, as you pointed out, eventually we have to pay for
everything.

i
The big question I ask you Comrade,,,,is the Government supposed to
provide that magic "everything" you keep talking about?

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

On 2009-12-05, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:56:21 -0600, Ignoramus26134
wrote:

On 2009-12-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus26134 wrote:

Emerson products usually are not immediately visible to a buyer of any
product. I would not expect anyone to stop buying goods with Emerson
products just because its CEO threw a hissy fit at some conference.

IIRC, Emerson made the Rigid brand of power tools for Homedespot and other box stores.
They also make a lot of motors.

I believe that Ridgid is Ridge tool in Pennsylvania.

When your competition is moving to China and our current government
thinks business is still the cash cow to milk, I'd have similar
views.

I really hate corporate taxes, those get paid by the consumers but
we the consumers don't see how those taxes empty our pockets.

This is a distinction between the Dems and the Republicans. Dems
like taxing corporations so consumers don't see how it affects them.
Republicans don't like taxing corporations since that is where jobs
exist.

Eventually we have to pay for everything but I truly believe, the
Republicans want the guy or gal working for a living to see what
government is costing him. The Dems, the party of government,
doesn't want you to see how the parasitic constituency empties your
pocket.
1
I think that we should separate the "what" from "why".

Republicans like corporations and "the wealthy" to pay less income
taxes.

I think that you are right by saying so.

The next question is why exactly they do so. Maybe it is because they
like downtrodden people? Or maybe it is accidental? Or, perhaps, maybe
it is because Republicans get donations from those welthy people?

In any case, as you pointed out, eventually we have to pay for
everything.

i
The big question I ask you Comrade,,,,is the Government supposed to
provide that magic "everything" you keep talking about?

No, but we will pay eventually for all government expenses, even if
funded by government debt. It is better to start paying earlier, than
later.

I have always been supportive of taxes that reflect the level of
government spending. Unlike you, for example, I pay considerable
amount of taxes, so this support is not because I want others to pay
for something.

i