Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:41:55 +0200, Robert Roland
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:52:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.
So you dont like guns eh?
I am quite indifferent. I don't know much about them, but I do know
how dangerous they are.

So how dangerous are they, really?
I do, however, know a bit about remote controlled helicopters. I have
flown them for nearly 20 years, so I have seen and experienced many
ways in which they can go wrong. I believe this gives me enough
background to decide whether or not it is a good idea to strap a
firearm to one.

So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.


And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?


I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:40:38 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:20:35 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:52*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:47:32 +0200, Robert Roland wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:28:01 -0500, Ignoramus31617 wrote:
The helicopter features a remote camera for ease of aiming.

* *http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1228911752

Those guys have probably never experienced an in-air radio failure. I
have. Twice. I think helicopters are plenty dangerous enough as they
are.

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.

So you dont like guns eh?

Sorry to hear that.

Gunner

Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, armed gunship scares the **** out of him. Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So while I may be wrong...I rather suspect Im right.

Crap, back in High School I got the idea to make, as a shop class
project, an radio controlled Jet (original idea was for a functioning
scale model of a V1). That was back before all the high faluting new
fangled technology came out.
Now a days - hmmmm, scale model of an Apache?

If I make a working model of a Predator drone ....


pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:52:47 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:


So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.


And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?


I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Oh..then this would be like handing a firearm to a drunken/doped up
Leftwinger?

Now define "serious bucks" and define what "adequate precautions" would
be when arming a small flying craft with a projectile weapon.

Ill be waiting with interest as you define the problem, the individual
issues and so forth. It should be an interesting exercise and perhaps
it may be suitable discussion for a remote flying craft suitable for the
upcoming removal of Leftwing extremists in the next few years.

G

Now if the OP would care to answer my question, rather than having
someone else do it for him, it would be my pleasure in responding to
him.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus31617 wrote:

The helicopter features a remote camera for eas of aiming.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1228911752

i

I was in a local hobby shop looking at RC helo's today. What I liked was
out of my budget
for now.

I was hoping RogerN would pipe up about what type, model of helo could
handle a .45 .

Personally, I think it was a stupid thing to do. Hard to portray the
majority of gun
owners as responsible adults when that sort of thing is out there.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

The heli in the video says it was a Bergen gasser, I have a Bergen Intrepid
..90 4-stroke. I think it's the same heli as the Intrepid Gas except the
motor mount/lower frames are different between the Gas, 4-Stroke, and
2-Stroke. Bergen also makes larger heli's with camera mounts, etc.
including turbine powered model heli's.

http://www.bergenrc.com/

The gas heli's have a 2-stroke gasoline engine similar to a weedeater and
can run a half hour or so on a tank of fuel. The glow fuel heli's usually
have a tank sized for 10 or so minutes flying.

Here's a little larger heli with a machine gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ttS...eature=related

For a .45 auto pistol, any .60 or .90 size glow fuel heli or similar size
gasoline heli should be fine. A smaller heli would probably work but you're
getting marginal on power to weight ratio, meaning if you come down fast
with the heli, you might not stop it before it hits the ground.

I don't like the idea of a gun on a model heli, as you can see from the
video, the heli is trying to go all over the place. It takes a lot of
concentration just to make the heli hover still, to do any good you would
probably need one person flying the heli and someone else controlling the
gun.

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote:


The heli in the video says it was a Bergen gasser, I have a Bergen Intrepid
.90 4-stroke. I think it's the same heli as the Intrepid Gas except the
motor mount/lower frames are different between the Gas, 4-Stroke, and
2-Stroke. Bergen also makes larger heli's with camera mounts, etc.
including turbine powered model heli's.

http://www.bergenrc.com/

The gas heli's have a 2-stroke gasoline engine similar to a weedeater and
can run a half hour or so on a tank of fuel. The glow fuel heli's usually
have a tank sized for 10 or so minutes flying.


There is a new hobby shop in town. Nice guy, I doubt he has a chance of making it though.
Failed on the location, location, location thing. Town of 4000 off the main road.

Almost broke out the debit card on a helo yesterday. (not the credit card)

Got to pay off the propane bill, finish off the heated in winter machine room in corner of
garage er shop before I engage in buying another toy.

Doing niche retail in the days of mail order over the internet is a scary place to be.

When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all the functions of a
real helo.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"RogerN" wrote:

snip

There is a new hobby shop in town. Nice guy, I doubt he has a chance of
making it though.
Failed on the location, location, location thing. Town of 4000 off the
main road.

Almost broke out the debit card on a helo yesterday. (not the credit
card)

Got to pay off the propane bill, finish off the heated in winter machine
room in corner of
garage er shop before I engage in buying another toy.

Doing niche retail in the days of mail order over the internet is a scary
place to be.

When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your
comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a
camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all
the functions of a
real helo.

Wes

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view? There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)

RogerN

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:29:57 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
snip
Oh no....that couldnt happen. Gun owners are too stupid to do such a
thing, let alone put a video camera on it and remote aim it.
Nah...couldnt be done by those trailer trash rednecks.

You already have one, don't you?

shusssss!

Still looking for reloading supplies!

Primers are running $50 a box these days...a nickle apiece...5x what
they should be.

Reloading hardware..thats easy...lots and lots of it out there and much
of it is cheap.

Powder, primers and bullets...those are the tough ones..powder not toooo
bad..bullets..well one can cast their own from wheel weights etc...but
primers...thats the rub.

What calibers do you want to reload? Ill check my Stuff.

Gunner



Primers are $30/ a box around here and not too hard to get. I just remember
you had a bullet supplier and a brass supplier that were good but that WAS a
while ago. I really don't NEED anything, just have the urge to stock up for
some reason. I do 9mm, .45, .38/.357 and I might get into .40.

"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:41:55 +0200, Robert Roland
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:52:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.
So you dont like guns eh?
I am quite indifferent. I don't know much about them, but I do know
how dangerous they are.

So how dangerous are they, really?
I do, however, know a bit about remote controlled helicopters. I have
flown them for nearly 20 years, so I have seen and experienced many
ways in which they can go wrong. I believe this gives me enough
background to decide whether or not it is a good idea to strap a
firearm to one.

So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.


And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?


I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon it.
Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC and
pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the gun
on a platform that has potential for random operations, including random
firing.

I could prevent any random firing for less than $20

Buerste wrote:

I could prevent any random firing for less than $20



Splendid. It is then your patriotic duty to publish the method, so that
the DoD can stop wasting all that time and money doing EED testing and
getting airworthiness releases.


Kevin Gallimore

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:58:36 -0500, "RogerN" wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
...
"RogerN" wrote:

snip

There is a new hobby shop in town. Nice guy, I doubt he has a chance of
making it though.
Failed on the location, location, location thing. Town of 4000 off the
main road.

Almost broke out the debit card on a helo yesterday. (not the credit
card)

Got to pay off the propane bill, finish off the heated in winter machine
room in corner of
garage er shop before I engage in buying another toy.

Doing niche retail in the days of mail order over the internet is a scary
place to be.

When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your
comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a
camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all
the functions of a
real helo.

Wes

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view? There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)

RogerN

It would make assassinations far more trouble free and risk proof,
wouldnt it?

Just pondering the consequences and things that may happen in the next
2.3-3 yrs to the Democrat Extremist Leftists who are ruining the nation.

Fascinating...

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

RogerN wrote:

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view? There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)


Were they moldy enough?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:50:09 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:52:47 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:


So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.


And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?


I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Oh..then this would be like handing a firearm to a drunken/doped up
Leftwinger?

Sure, but the best and safest thing to do is to give them S&W 180s!

http://utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5234

--
After silence, that which comes nearest
to expressing the inexpressible is music.
-- Aldous Huxley

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:35:19 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:

I really don't NEED anything, just have the urge to stock up for
some reason. I do 9mm, .45, .38/.357 and I might get into .40.

"for some reason". Uh, huh. You feel it, too, don't you? The largest
quantity of fecal material known to man seems to be readying itself to
hit the rotary occillating device and you mention a tiny urge. Sheesh!

--
After silence, that which comes nearest
to expressing the inexpressible is music.
-- Aldous Huxley

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:22:31 -0700, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:


Crap, back in High School I got the idea to make, as a shop class
project, an radio controlled Jet (original idea was for a functioning
scale model of a V1). That was back before all the high faluting new
fangled technology came out.
Now a days - hmmmm, scale model of an Apache?

If I make a working model of a Predator drone ....

....You'll likely be infested by an incoming squadron of black
helicopters which are life-sized, Pete.

--
After silence, that which comes nearest
to expressing the inexpressible is music.
-- Aldous Huxley

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:57:08 -0400, axolotl
wrote:

Buerste wrote:

I could prevent any random firing for less than $20



Splendid. It is then your patriotic duty to publish the method, so that
the DoD can stop wasting all that time and money doing EED testing and
getting airworthiness releases.


Kevin Gallimore

Publishing or even admitting to having an inexpensive and effective
solution to a DoD problem will get you a hero badge, right?

WRONG!

It will get you told to shut the hell up and mind yer own beeswax
if you'd rather avoid a change of address to Ft. Leavenworth.
DAMHIKT.

On Jul 4, 6:50*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:52:47 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:





So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.

And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?

I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. *Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. *It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Oh..then this would be like handing a firearm to a drunken/doped up
Leftwinger?

Now define "serious bucks" and define what "adequate precautions" would
be when arming a small flying craft with a projectile weapon.

Ill be waiting with interest as you define the problem, the individual
issues and so forth. *It should be an interesting exercise and perhaps
it may be suitable discussion for a remote flying craft suitable for the
upcoming removal of Leftwing extremists in the next few years.

G

Now if the OP would care to answer my question, rather than having
someone else do it for him, it would be my pleasure in responding to
him.

Gunner

How the **** does you pea-brain manage to turn every serious
discussion into a right versus left hate fest? Robert has 20 years'
experience flying radio controlled helicopters. How many do you have?
Take all the time you need to answer. We'll all be waiting with bated
breath for you ad-hominum attack or other worthless response.
Asshole.

On Jul 4, 2:40*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:20:35 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck



wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:52*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:47:32 +0200, Robert Roland
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:28:01 -0500, Ignoramus31617
wrote:

The helicopter features a remote camera for eas of aiming.

* *http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1228911752

Those guys have probably never experienced an in-air radio failure. I
have. Twice. I think helicopters are plenty dangerous enough as they
are.

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.

So you dont like guns eh?

Sorry to hear that.

Gunner

Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, *armed gunship scares the **** out of him. *Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Or maybe he knows more about RC helicopters than you do.


Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So why don't you build one?

Don Foreman wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:57:08 -0400, axolotl
wrote:


Buerste wrote:


I could prevent any random firing for less than $20



Splendid. It is then your patriotic duty to publish the method, so that
the DoD can stop wasting all that time and money doing EED testing and
getting airworthiness releases.


Kevin Gallimore


Publishing or even admitting to having an inexpensive and effective
solution to a DoD problem will get you a hero badge, right?

WRONG!

It will get you told to shut the hell up and mind yer own beeswax
if you'd rather avoid a change of address to Ft. Leavenworth.
DAMHIKT.


Mr. Brush is safe.

He is not referencing a specific vulnerability, which is what can earn
you a striped suntan. He has a generic method of preventing any random
firing on any (RC?) platform that can be implemented for less than 20
dollars.
One weeps for the noble government contractors put out of work, of
course, but our nation must march on.


Your (real) point is quite correct and usually ignored here. That
being: Anyone who knows isn't talking.


Kevin Gallimore

Buerste wrote:
"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:41:55 +0200, Robert Roland
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:52:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.
So you dont like guns eh?
I am quite indifferent. I don't know much about them, but I do know
how dangerous they are.
So how dangerous are they, really?
I do, however, know a bit about remote controlled helicopters. I have
flown them for nearly 20 years, so I have seen and experienced many
ways in which they can go wrong. I believe this gives me enough
background to decide whether or not it is a good idea to strap a
firearm to one.
So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.

And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?

I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon it.
Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC and
pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the gun
on a platform that has potential for random operations, including random
firing.

I could prevent any random firing for less than $20




Would you fly that $20 safety system at a field lined with fetuses? ( I
choose fetuses because you seem to value them above all other living things)

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:17:25 -0400, Wes
wrote:

snip
When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all the functions of a
real helo.

Don't know if such a thing is available or not, but I would
look for a small "blimp" type craft that could be remote
controlled.

You would spend a lot less time concentrating on flying it,
have a much smoother platform (if it isn't too windy) and it
should be a lot more forgiving crash wise.

Roger probably knows if there is anything like this that us
normal folks could afford in the blimp line.

Probably wouldn't be as much fun to fly though

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

Let the Record show that Larry Jaques
on or about Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:07:12 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:22:31 -0700, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:


Crap, back in High School I got the idea to make, as a shop class
project, an radio controlled Jet (original idea was for a functioning
scale model of a V1). That was back before all the high faluting new
fangled technology came out.
Now a days - hmmmm, scale model of an Apache?

If I make a working model of a Predator drone ....

...You'll likely be infested by an incoming squadron of black
helicopters which are life-sized, Pete.

itsokay, it'll be a one to one scale ...

I'll put an Obama "O" on the side. That way everybody will know
I'm on the right - errr "Correct" side

tschus
pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:58:38 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view? There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)

RogerN

It would make assassinations far more trouble free and risk proof,
wouldnt it?

Just pondering the consequences and things that may happen in the next
2.3-3 yrs to the Democrat Extremist Leftists who are ruining the nation.

Fascinating...

GNPS, FPV RC, some Cessna and a map of the Mississippi river....
or the Hudson.

Gunner
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"RogerN" wrote:

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view?

I just would like to take aerial pictures.

There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)


GPS and explosives, that would make a nasty combination.

Ding Dongs you say, I'd have thought you would have got a Nutty Bar
http://www.chocablog.com/wp-content/...utty-bar-1.jpg


Wes

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:29:53 -0400, axolotl
wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:57:08 -0400, axolotl
wrote:


Buerste wrote:


I could prevent any random firing for less than $20



Splendid. It is then your patriotic duty to publish the method, so that
the DoD can stop wasting all that time and money doing EED testing and
getting airworthiness releases.


Kevin Gallimore


Publishing or even admitting to having an inexpensive and effective
solution to a DoD problem will get you a hero badge, right?

WRONG!

It will get you told to shut the hell up and mind yer own beeswax
if you'd rather avoid a change of address to Ft. Leavenworth.
DAMHIKT.


Mr. Brush is safe.

He is not referencing a specific vulnerability, which is what can earn
you a striped suntan. He has a generic method of preventing any random
firing on any (RC?) platform that can be implemented for less than 20
dollars.
One weeps for the noble government contractors put out of work, of
course, but our nation must march on.


Your (real) point is quite correct and usually ignored here. That
being: Anyone who knows isn't talking.

Indeed, and very much correct

G


Kevin Gallimore

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Jul 4, 6:50*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:52:47 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:





So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.

And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?

I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. *Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. *It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Oh..then this would be like handing a firearm to a drunken/doped up
Leftwinger?

Now define "serious bucks" and define what "adequate precautions" would
be when arming a small flying craft with a projectile weapon.

Ill be waiting with interest as you define the problem, the individual
issues and so forth. *It should be an interesting exercise and perhaps
it may be suitable discussion for a remote flying craft suitable for the
upcoming removal of Leftwing extremists in the next few years.

G

Now if the OP would care to answer my question, rather than having
someone else do it for him, it would be my pleasure in responding to
him.

Gunner

How the **** does you pea-brain manage to turn every serious
discussion into a right versus left hate fest? Robert has 20 years'
experience flying radio controlled helicopters. How many do you have?
Take all the time you need to answer. We'll all be waiting with bated
breath for you ad-hominum attack or other worthless response.
Asshole.

Your hangover is noted with no pity whatsoever.

And the OP is where again?

Btw..Ive about 40 yrs of firearms knowledge, am a published author on
the subject and am an accomplished tinker with complex machinery, not to
mention I make a living repairing, updating, installing CNC machinery.

Was there anything else you wish to vent your spleen on?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:


Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, *armed gunship scares the **** out of him. *Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Or maybe he knows more about RC helicopters than you do.


Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So why don't you build one?


Do you know that I have, or have not?

VBG

Btw..Ive about 500 hours in Rangers, Hillers and so forth.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:35:09 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

Buerste wrote:
"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:41:55 +0200, Robert Roland
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:52:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

In my opinion, this guy is an irresponsible idiot. It would almost be
funny if the helicopter turned around and shot its pilot in the head.
So you dont like guns eh?
I am quite indifferent. I don't know much about them, but I do know
how dangerous they are.
So how dangerous are they, really?
I do, however, know a bit about remote controlled helicopters. I have
flown them for nearly 20 years, so I have seen and experienced many
ways in which they can go wrong. I believe this gives me enough
background to decide whether or not it is a good idea to strap a
firearm to one.
So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.

And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?

I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon it.
Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC and
pyrotechnics. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the gun
on a platform that has potential for random operations, including random
firing.

I could prevent any random firing for less than $20




Would you fly that $20 safety system at a field lined with fetuses? ( I
choose fetuses because you seem to value them above all other living things)


God knows Stuart would..and would ask that a chain gun be mounted rather
than a 7 shot self loader.


"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Jul 5, 5:07*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck



wrote:

Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, *armed gunship scares the **** out of him. *Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Or maybe he knows more about RC helicopters than you do.

Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So why don't you build one?

Do you know that I have, or have not?

VBG

No, I don't. And I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did,
nor would I believe you if you said you didn't.

Btw..Ive about 500 *hours in Rangers, Hillers and so forth.

As a passenger, as PIC, or in your dreams. What license do you hold,
and why aren't you earning a living with it? Rotary pilots are in
demand these days.

And what does your time in "Rangers, Hillers and so forth" have to do
with radio controlled helicopters? Zero, that's what. If you think
that any real-world knowledge of full-sized aircraft operation
translates to RC models, you're sadly mistaken.


Gunner

On Jul 5, 5:05*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck



wrote:
On Jul 4, 6:50*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:52:47 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

So while you know much about helicopters (toys)...your ignorance..self
admitted of firearms leads you to believe that this is a Bad Thing?
Sorry to hear that.
Why sorry? I have met lots of people who have no interest in neither
helicopters nor metalworking, but I have never felt sorry in any way
about that. They have their interests, and I have mine. That's just
the way it should be.

And if those same people stated that Lathes are so dangerous that they
should suck in their operators....you would be fine with that.?

I know you love to play the troll, and you see guns and can't get past
that, but the guy is saying that the RC helicopter is not a reliable or
stable enough platform to make him comfortable placing a firearm upon
it. *Unless you spend serious bucks, this same prohibition applies to RC
and pyrotechnics. *It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is placing the
gun on a platform that has potential for random operations, including
random firing.

Oh..then this would be like handing a firearm to a drunken/doped up
Leftwinger?

Now define "serious bucks" and define what "adequate precautions" would
be when arming a small flying craft with a projectile weapon.

Ill be waiting with interest as you define the problem, the individual
issues and so forth. *It should be an interesting exercise and perhaps
it may be suitable discussion for a remote flying craft suitable for the
upcoming removal of Leftwing extremists in the next few years.

G

Now if the OP would care to answer my question, rather than having
someone else do it for him, it would be my pleasure in responding to
him.

Gunner

How the **** does you pea-brain manage to turn every serious
discussion into a right versus left hate fest? Robert has 20 years'
experience flying radio controlled helicopters. How many do you have?
Take all the time you need to answer. We'll all be waiting with bated
breath for you ad-hominum *attack or other worthless response.
Asshole.

Your hangover is noted with no pity whatsoever.

Whatever the **** that's supposed to mean.


And the OP is where again?

I don't know, nor do I care.


Btw..Ive about 40 yrs of firearms knowledge, am a published author on
the subject

Cites, please?

and am an accomplished tinker with complex machinery, not to
mention I make a living repairing, updating, installing CNC machinery.

How much of that machinery is radio controlled? How much if it is
radio controlled by controllers that cost a couple of hundred bucks,
mass produced in China?

Dude, you just posted that you GROSSED $7K so far this year taking
factories apart, and spent more than a quarter million. I don't really
think you can claim to make a living doing the things you listed.

I grossed more than that last month DESIGNING controllers for complex
machinery.


Was there anything else you wish to vent your spleen on?

Not at this time, thank you.


Gunner

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:17:25 -0400, Wes
wrote:

snip
When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all the functions of a
real helo.

Don't know if such a thing is available or not, but I would
look for a small "blimp" type craft that could be remote
controlled.

You would spend a lot less time concentrating on flying it,
have a much smoother platform (if it isn't too windy) and it
should be a lot more forgiving crash wise.

Roger probably knows if there is anything like this that us
normal folks could afford in the blimp line.

Probably wouldn't be as much fun to fly though


I saw an RC blimp last fall at a UWM basketball game, about 12 ft
long. I think even a mild breeze would have it quickly in the next county.

I found lots of google hits with RC, blimp.

http://www.rcblimp.com/

David

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:43:36 -0400, Wes wrote:

"RogerN" wrote:

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view?

I just would like to take aerial pictures.

There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)


GPS and explosives, that would make a nasty combination.

Ding Dongs you say, I'd have thought you would have got a Nutty Bar
http://www.chocablog.com/wp-content/...utty-bar-1.jpg


ayumm yumm! One of my favorite treats!!

Gunner


Wes

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:


Dude, you just posted that you GROSSED $7K so far this year taking
factories apart, and spent more than a quarter million. I don't really
think you can claim to make a living doing the things you listed.

Ayup...since I had a triple bypass and a stroke to recover from..and
work in So Cal.....since the first of the year...G..its hardly
surprising that Ive only made $7k.
Particularly since Ive lost 11 clients who went out of business.

The factory stripping is $20hr. Beats sitting on my ass hoping that one
of my regular clients calls and I can charge my normal $75hr +
travel+mileage. And its been good therapy during my recovery. Ive
regained a lot of my strength and endurance.

And have regained a lot of my sense of humor..though my tolerence for
bull**** has gotten smaller and smaller. G Hence my replies to you
are more direct and less...polite.

Im curious though..in the next year or two, as the Greatest Depression
takes over your area..who are you going to be selling your goods to?

Not too many buyers these days..and its going to get far far worse.

Now the house is paid off, I keep a small travel trailer in So. Cal to
live out of during the week...easy to simply walk away from it if need
be, or simply tow it home and park it..and Ive still got my home shop,
machine tools, welding, carpentry etc etc...I figure I can eek out a
dollar here or there after the collapse. Or simply sit on the porch and
play the banjo for the next 2-5 yrs.

How about you? Got that much in savings?

G

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:37 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Jul 5, 5:07*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck



wrote:

Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, *armed gunship scares the **** out of him. *Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Or maybe he knows more about RC helicopters than you do.

Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So why don't you build one?

Do you know that I have, or have not?

VBG

No, I don't. And I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did,
nor would I believe you if you said you didn't.

Btw..Ive about 500 *hours in Rangers, Hillers and so forth.

As a passenger, as PIC, or in your dreams. What license do you hold,
and why aren't you earning a living with it? Rotary pilots are in
demand these days.

Right seat of course. Though Left Seat did tend to nap a lot. Shrug.

You certainly try to cast the worst you can, doncha? PIC? Did I ever
claim to be a chopper Pilot?

And what does your time in "Rangers, Hillers and so forth" have to do
with radio controlled helicopters? Zero, that's what. If you think
that any real-world knowledge of full-sized aircraft operation
translates to RC models, you're sadly mistaken.

Did I claim it did? Chuckle..dangling the hook in front of you is soooo
rewarding.
Laugh laugh laugh

Btw..how much rotary time in real helos do you have?

Or have you always been a toy pilot?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:10:15 -0500, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:17:25 -0400, Wes
wrote:

snip
When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all the functions of a
real helo.

Don't know if such a thing is available or not, but I would
look for a small "blimp" type craft that could be remote
controlled.

You would spend a lot less time concentrating on flying it,
have a much smoother platform (if it isn't too windy) and it
should be a lot more forgiving crash wise.

Roger probably knows if there is anything like this that us
normal folks could afford in the blimp line.

Probably wouldn't be as much fun to fly though


I saw an RC blimp last fall at a UWM basketball game, about 12 ft
long. I think even a mild breeze would have it quickly in the next county.

I found lots of google hits with RC, blimp.

http://www.rcblimp.com/

David


Wayyyyyy Cool!!

"Powered by gas or electric engines depending upon the size, the outdoor
Remote Control Nylon Blimp can operate in winds from 10 to 15 mph with
full 360 degree vectoring allowing for complete reverse flight. The
gondola is either polystyrene or fiberglass, depending on the size of
the blimp. The vector arm (movable arm which holds and rotates the
motors) rotates 360 degrees and is made of FAA-approved T-6 aircraft
aluminum, as are the motor mounts. This design facilitates infinite
hovering control as well as enabling the airship to reverse if needed."


Humm...I wonder how much "payload" one of those babies would carry?
Video and high explosives......just pondering for the sake of the
discussion. Shrug....

Gunner
"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:10:15 -0500, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:17:25 -0400, Wes
wrote:

snip
When I get closer to pulling the trigger on the helo, I'll re-read your
comments you made
last winter. I really want a helo. The package I'd carry would be a
camera. I am not
into the coaxial large scale air hog equivalents. I want it to have all
the functions of a
real helo.

Don't know if such a thing is available or not, but I would
look for a small "blimp" type craft that could be remote
controlled.

You would spend a lot less time concentrating on flying it,
have a much smoother platform (if it isn't too windy) and it
should be a lot more forgiving crash wise.

Roger probably knows if there is anything like this that us
normal folks could afford in the blimp line.

Probably wouldn't be as much fun to fly though


I saw an RC blimp last fall at a UWM basketball game, about 12 ft
long. I think even a mild breeze would have it quickly in the next county.

I found lots of google hits with RC, blimp.

http://www.rcblimp.com/

David


Wayyyyyy Cool!!

"Powered by gas or electric engines depending upon the size, the outdoor
Remote Control Nylon Blimp can operate in winds from 10 to 15 mph with
full 360 degree vectoring allowing for complete reverse flight. The
gondola is either polystyrene or fiberglass, depending on the size of
the blimp. The vector arm (movable arm which holds and rotates the
motors) rotates 360 degrees and is made of FAA-approved T-6 aircraft
aluminum, as are the motor mounts. This design facilitates infinite
hovering control as well as enabling the airship to reverse if needed."


Humm...I wonder how much "payload" one of those babies would carry?
Video and high explosives......just pondering for the sake of the
discussion. Shrug....

Gunner
"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal
State Fresno

I always thought a great terrorist weapon (I shouldn't be giving them any
ideas here) would be a GPS guided model with some kind of chemical or
biological weapon. Set to fly over any outdoor event and release payload.
Model could be launched from miles away and return to be reloaded.

RogerN

"Robert Roland" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:46:58 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:

There are full auto-pilot modules available for both RC planes and
helicopters that can keep the craft stable in the event of a radio link
failure.

Of course. But no matter how many possible failure modes you protect
yourself against, there will always be at least one you didn't think
of. Also, a failsafe system is going to cost money, weight, space and
power.

My most recent crash was due to a failed potentiometer in the
transmitter stick. The transmitter suddenly commanded hard left
aileron. Any on-board system would see this as pilot input, and not
detect any problem at all, unless there was some sort of intelligence
able to decide what types of maneuvers are OK at any given time.
--
RoRo

Was this on a Spektrum 6 channel radio? I saw they had a recall on them for
stick potentiometers. I have one of those radios but it's not supposed to
be in the SN range of the problem, I'm keeping an eye on it though.

RogerN

On Jul 5, 7:11*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:37 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck



wrote:
On Jul 5, 5:07*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

wrote:

Did he say that? He said that this is an irresponsibly dangerous
device,

His opinion is noted. As is the likely basis for him holding it. Either
he is a little girl mentally....or the idea of a privately owned remote
controlled, *armed gunship scares the **** out of him. *Hence his snoody
comment about it shooting the pilot in the head.

Or maybe he knows more about RC helicopters than you do.

Virtually any serious shooter..life long gun buff would have a woody
over that toy.

So why don't you build one?

Do you know that I have, or have not?

VBG

No, I don't. And I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did,
nor would I believe you if you said you didn't.

Btw..Ive about 500 *hours in Rangers, Hillers and so forth.

As a passenger, as PIC, or in your dreams. What license do you hold,
and why aren't you earning a living with it? Rotary pilots are in
demand these days.

Right seat of course. *Though Left Seat did tend to nap a lot. Shrug.

You certainly try to cast the worst *you can, doncha? PIC? *Did I ever
claim to be a chopper Pilot?

Generally, in the aviation community, saying "I have xxx hours in yyy
aircraft" refers to time in you logbook. Loggable time would be PIC,
student, or as an FAA required crew member. You were none of the
above. As usual.




And what does your time in "Rangers, Hillers and so forth" have to do
with radio controlled helicopters? Zero, that's what. If you think
that any real-world knowledge of full-sized aircraft operation
translates to RC models, you're sadly mistaken.

Did I claim it did? *Chuckle..dangling the hook in front of you is soooo
rewarding.
Laugh laugh laugh


You brought it up, moron.

Btw..how much rotary time in real helos do you have?


Zero, and I never claimed otherwise.

Or have you always been a toy pilot?


Nope. Between me and my brothers, we have two private pilot licenses,
two seaplane ratings, one instrument rating, one glider rating and one
glider instructor's certificate. I have spent a LOT of time around
aircraft.

I haven't "always" been a toy pilot, but I was a founding member of
the County model airplane society which built a fully AMA sanctioned
500' paved runway and seaplane dock.

I have also designed remote controlled video equipment both for toys
and for operations in hazardous environments. I can tell you with
certainty that the requirements are not even a little bit similar.

Gunner

On Jul 5, 7:08*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

wrote:

Dude, you just posted that you GROSSED $7K so far this year taking
factories apart, and spent more than a quarter million. I don't really
think you can claim to make a living doing the things you listed.

Ayup...since I had a triple bypass and a stroke to recover from..and
work in So Cal.....since the first of the year...G..its hardly
surprising that Ive only made $7k.
Particularly since Ive lost 11 clients who went out of business.

The factory stripping is $20hr. Beats sitting on my ass hoping that one
of my regular clients calls and I can charge my normal $75hr +
travel+mileage. And its been good *therapy during my recovery. Ive
regained a lot of my strength and endurance.

Have you quit smoking yet?


And have regained a lot of my sense of humor..though my tolerence for
bull**** has gotten smaller and smaller. *G Hence my replies to you
are more direct and less...polite.

Im curious though..in the next year or two, as the Greatest Depression
takes over your area..who are you going to be selling your goods to?

Absolutely, positively, none of your ****ing business.


Not too many buyers these days..and its going to get far far worse.

Plenty of buyers for me. I have a backlog of work.


Now the house is paid off,

A rather fully documented fantasy of yours.

I keep a small travel trailer in So. Cal to
live out of during the week...easy to simply walk away from it if need
be,

That'd be about your style, wouldn't it.

or simply tow it home and park it..and Ive still got my home shop,
machine tools, welding, carpentry etc etc...I figure I can eek out a
dollar here or there after the collapse. *Or simply sit on the porch and
play the banjo for the next 2-5 yrs.

How about you? Got that much in savings?

Way, way more than that. You really are totally without a clue,
Gunner.


G

Gunner

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"RogerN" wrote:

There are some nice videos on youtube of FPV RC (first person view). Are
you planning to fly from the camera view?

I just would like to take aerial pictures.

There are some video goggles and
head tracking sensors that let you fly the model and the camera will pan
and
tilt as you turn your head. I've read that one problem for new pilots is
flying the model out of range. This isn't a problem most R/C heli flying
since it's generally in range if you can see it, but the FPV stuff, you
can
fly beyond line of sight, lose signal and :-( I saw they have equipment
now
that works with GPS, if you fly your model out of range, it's supposed to
automatically return to the take off point. This stuff could be kind of
scary if you realize how it could be abused... a GPS guided aircraft is
not
that far off from a cruise missile, now add a .45 and video recognition
software... For a test I sent one out to capture TMT and it came back
with
a box of Hostess Ding Dongs :-)


GPS and explosives, that would make a nasty combination.

Ding Dongs you say, I'd have thought you would have got a Nutty Bar
http://www.chocablog.com/wp-content/...utty-bar-1.jpg


Wes


Some use the wireless video cameras to aim the digital camera to snap
quality photos. I thought it would be interesting to record flights on
videotape.

Are you interested in the high $$ larger models? Depending on the weight of
the camera and any aiming mechanism, there are pretty good cheap model
heli's these days. I have a couple of the small electric helis with
brushless motors, their performance is awesome. It might be good advise to
get a more economical model to learn to fly, and make mistakes on, and have
fun with.

Ron Lund has a website with good information, they have a "crash index" that
estimates how much $$$ in parts a typical crash costs on different model
heli's. That's in the "Kit Comparison" part of the website.

http://www.ronlund.com/

another good online heli shop

http://www.heliproz.com/


RogerN

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:35:19 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:

I really don't NEED anything, just have the urge to stock up for
some reason. I do 9mm, .45, .38/.357 and I might get into .40.

"for some reason". Uh, huh. You feel it, too, don't you? The largest
quantity of fecal material known to man seems to be readying itself to
hit the rotary occillating device and you mention a tiny urge. Sheesh!


Your mother in law is coming for a visit?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!