The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity. I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.

We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad Max."
Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots of
tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and trying
to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive. Maybe I
can raise some rabbits...

--
Ed Huntress

wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity. I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

What in the world are you talking about?

Did they shut off my cable, or cancel my online-poker account??
No????

Is beer still legal?
Yes???

Is McD's still open 24/7?
Yess???

Is Paris still a free woman?
Yes???

Then everything's OK!

I'm a little miffed that my Congressperson won't talk or listen to me, but
then that's my fault for not choosing better parents, so's I could visit him
with shopping bags full of cash, as a small token of friendship and mutually
symbiotic relationship.

--
DT




Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.

We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad
Max." Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots
of tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive.
Maybe I can raise some rabbits...

Indeed, soon we might just very well find out the hard way, Who Run
BarterTown.
Hopefully it will be Tina Turner, so's I can be her slave....

Hey, hang out with Gunner.
If you mend your very evil liberal ways, he might let you in his underground
bunker.

Gunner may make you sign sumpn or other, to the effect that you agree to
shoot Cliff on sight, should he show up aknockin.

--
DT




--
Ed Huntress

"DrollTroll" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.

We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad
Max." Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots
of tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive.
Maybe I can raise some rabbits...

Indeed, soon we might just very well find out the hard way, Who Run
BarterTown.
Hopefully it will be Tina Turner, so's I can be her slave....

Hey, hang out with Gunner.
If you mend your very evil liberal ways, he might let you in his
underground bunker.

I can't live like a groundhog. And I'm not eating 'dillo jerky. That's where
I draw the line.

--
Ed Huntress

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:47:52 -0400, "DrollTroll"
wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.

We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad
Max." Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots
of tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive.
Maybe I can raise some rabbits...

Indeed, soon we might just very well find out the hard way, Who Run
BarterTown.
Hopefully it will be Tina Turner, so's I can be her slave....

Hey, hang out with Gunner.
If you mend your very evil liberal ways, he might let you in his underground
bunker.

Underground? Where? Its above ground.

Gunner may make you sign sumpn or other, to the effect that you agree to
shoot Cliff on sight, should he show up aknockin.

If he shows up aknockin...lets hope he strays off the path into the
minefield

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
news
Thanks for the good wishes, and nice to see someone not gloating over this
mess....

There is no room for anyone to gloat (unless, perhaps, you are living off the
land on a tiny Pacific island). Worldwide, there is plenty of pain and blame to
go around.

Vaughn

wrote:

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Thanks for the good wishes, and nice to see someone not
gloating over this mess....


Jon

Ed Huntress wrote:
"DrollTroll" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.
We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.
I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad
Max." Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.
You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots
of tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive.
Maybe I can raise some rabbits...
Indeed, soon we might just very well find out the hard way, Who Run
BarterTown.
Hopefully it will be Tina Turner, so's I can be her slave....

Hey, hang out with Gunner.
If you mend your very evil liberal ways, he might let you in his
underground bunker.

I can't live like a groundhog. And I'm not eating 'dillo jerky. That's where
I draw the line.

As we say in Oz, you've never been real hungry if you say you don't like
witchetty grubs :-)

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
news
Thanks for the good wishes, and nice to see someone not gloating over this
mess....

There is no room for anyone to gloat (unless, perhaps, you are living off the
land on a tiny Pacific island). Worldwide, there is plenty of pain and blame to
go around.

On that island, the rising sea levels will get you. "Interesting times",
indeed.

"David R Brooks" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"DrollTroll" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.
We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.
I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks
and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a
cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad
Max." Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.
You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are
lots
of tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to
survive.
Maybe I can raise some rabbits...
Indeed, soon we might just very well find out the hard way, Who Run
BarterTown.
Hopefully it will be Tina Turner, so's I can be her slave....

Hey, hang out with Gunner.
If you mend your very evil liberal ways, he might let you in his
underground bunker.

I can't live like a groundhog. And I'm not eating 'dillo jerky. That's
where
I draw the line.

As we say in Oz, you've never been real hungry if you say you don't like
witchetty grubs :-)

Your palates are already wrecked from Vegamite. It sounds like a vegetarian
explosive. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

wrote in message
...

The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.


We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)


I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.


I'm building an armored personnel carrier from old Ford pickup trucks and
diamond plate as we speak. It's a good time to know how to use a cutting
torch and to weld, and to have plenty of .30 caliber ammo. Think "Mad Max."
Thanks for that helpful, instructional documentary, BTW.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.


You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots of
tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and trying
to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive. Maybe I
can raise some rabbits...

--
Ed Huntress





Take a longer viewpoint and read 'A Canticle for Leibowitz'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz


--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity.

Those of us who make things should do fine. We will be men of honor once
again when the rest of the country learns its lesson that financial paper
does not make wealth. The musical-chairs Monopoly-game days are over for
now.

You will know the recovery is starting when the top pols stop preaching
that credit is the "lifeblood of the economy" and such. It was over a
decade from 1929 before the country finally realized that money and credit
were not the foundation of an economy, and that was only because a war is
only won with actual, not borrowed, treasure.

(NB: Where "paper" now includes digital bits.)

Ed Huntress wrote:

Your palates are already wrecked from Vegamite. It sounds like a vegetarian
explosive. d8-)

Hey, that's decent stuff! Wouldn't put it on vanilla ice
cream, but it's great on sourdough toast. My fiance smuggled
a small jar in to me, before we learned it is available
here through a specialty store. She says I'm the first Yank
she's run across that actually likes it.

Jon

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:39:22 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity. I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.
=================

Thank you for your concern and nice comments.

While many Americans are taking huge hits on their retirement
accounts, there is little direct impact on Main street [yet.] To
be sure people are watching their money far more closely, but no
mass layoffs, food riots, etc.

Wall Street [the financial world] exists in a parallel universe
from where most of the people live and work. Consumer credit is
still available from many smaller regional and local banks for
"reasonable" purchases from homes to cars to appliances by
qualified borrowers. The people that have gotten cut off from
credit are the ones that would have difficulty repaying, both on
the low end, and huge organizations with poor credit ratings
wanting funds for "unreasonable" purposes such as leveraged buy
outs.

Most of the squawking is by the "beautiful" people who live and
work in the alternate universe of finance, where indeed the sky
is falling if this means that they must now deliver what they
promised.

The financial malaise may yet seep into the real world in a big
way [ala 1929], but the far bigger hit IMNSHO is the loss of
trust in the "system" and individuals/organizations involved,
both governmental and financial.

The most amazing thing to me so far is that only Dick Fuld
[Lehman Chairman] is known to have been clocked.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2098990/posts
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...55154#27055154

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:40:32 +0800, the infamous David R Brooks
scrawled the following:

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
news
Thanks for the good wishes, and nice to see someone not gloating over this
mess....

There is no room for anyone to gloat (unless, perhaps, you are living off the
land on a tiny Pacific island). Worldwide, there is plenty of pain and blame to
go around.

On that island, the rising sea levels will get you. "Interesting times",
indeed.

That's all well and good, except that the seas aren't rising.
The Tuvalu and Vanuatu scares were unfounded, as is most global
warming hype. One of many links is listed below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lev...drowning.22.3F

--
"Given the low level of competence among politicians,
every American should become a Libertarian."
-- Charley Reese, Alameda Times-Star (California), June 17, 2003

"DrollTroll" wrote:

Gunner may make you sign sumpn or other, to the effect that you agree to
shoot Cliff on sight, should he show up aknockin.

Gunner would not delegate that.

Wes

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Your palates are already wrecked from Vegamite. It sounds like a vegetarian
explosive. d8-)


I've bought it, I've given it as gifts to my mom and sister that like it. After reading
what it is, I passed on tasting it.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

wrote:

The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity. I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.

Let us hope it doesn't get that bad. The G7 countries are so tied at the hip that if we
go down, we take you with us.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.

Whatever 'reforms' are made will be forgotton after a generation or two. History repeats.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

Have great weekend,

Wes

On Oct 10, 11:30 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
wrote in message



We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

Nah, your not. Your venting in newsgroups, like the rest of us. Liked some of your stuff in a previous topic, about your idea of the government being for the best interests of the country. Nice one. The Romans were pretty good at it, for several thousand years.


Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots of
tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and trying
to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive. Maybe I
can raise some rabbits...

--
Ed Huntress

Mm, yes well - you covered a few things there Ed, and as I know your a
Smart ******* as we say here, not sure if your taking the **** or
what. (Translate that sentence if you can)

Whats a rutabaga? - is it edible - is it similar to Brussel Sprouts
(which are not)
Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

On the Beach - a good read, by a British author, about how the Yanks
and the Russians screwed the world. Actually, all of Neville Shutes
books are pretty good - "Trustee from the Toolroom" has some nice
engineering passages in it. And its a Good Read. Its getting really
hard to find a good Trashy Novel - the sort you read for relaxation
and entertainment. I seem to be reading more and more metal related
books these days.

Theres never been a shortage of apocryphal novels - what ****es me off
is when they run to several volumes, you get sucked right in, and
then........the library doesn't have the last/latest one. (See Trashy
Novel above - very rarely are they good enough to actually buy(instead
of books on Metalworking))

How come economics has its own language? - is it to hoodwink and flim-
flam us peasants, my budget is what I have left in me wallet after I
pay the bills. Don't have any debt, dont have a credit card (but do
have a debit card). This probably means I am weird. So be it. And I
know I am out of touch with Contemporary Economics, the stock market
seems to be run by people who base their decisions on reading Chicken
Entrails each morning.

Someone once said "If you cant write a business proposal on one side
of a sheet of A4 paper, your probably bull****ting"

The Emperor Has No Clothes - how come its taken so long to see this?

Vegemite - an acquired taste, like American bourbon. But doesn't leave
you feeling crook in the guts next morning.

Who knows where all this economic stuff is going Ed - I dont. But as
the old Chinese curse says
"May you live in interesting times"

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
scrawled the following:

On Oct 10, 11:30 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
wrote in message



We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

Nah, your not. Your venting in newsgroups, like the rest of us. Liked some of your stuff in a previous topic, about your idea of the government being for the best interests of the country. Nice one. The Romans were pretty good at it, for several thousand years.


Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots of
tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and trying
to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive. Maybe I
can raise some rabbits...

--
Ed Huntress

Mm, yes well - you covered a few things there Ed, and as I know your a
Smart ******* as we say here, not sure if your taking the **** or
what. (Translate that sentence if you can)

Smart-aleky bastid?


Whats a rutabaga? - is it edible - is it similar to Brussel Sprouts
(which are not)

Brussels sprouts are entirely edible if one cooks them properly and
adds real butter, salt, and pepper to them. Properly = THOROUGHLY.
Otherwise, they're hard as rocks and tasteless as hell.


Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

I hear he uses HHGs on those deadly beasties. Works every time--if you
follow the proper ritual for it.
--snip--
And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out
the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less.
Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the
counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either
count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is
right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be
reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards
thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'
--snip--


On the Beach - a good read, by a British author, about how the Yanks
and the Russians screwed the world. Actually, all of Neville Shutes
books are pretty good - "Trustee from the Toolroom" has some nice
engineering passages in it. And its a Good Read. Its getting really
hard to find a good Trashy Novel - the sort you read for relaxation
and entertainment. I seem to be reading more and more metal related
books these days.

Neville Shute is a good read, alright. My favorite was his
machinist/spy novel, _Trustee From The Toolroom_.


Theres never been a shortage of apocryphal novels - what ****es me off
is when they run to several volumes, you get sucked right in, and
then........the library doesn't have the last/latest one. (See Trashy
Novel above - very rarely are they good enough to actually buy(instead
of books on Metalworking))

That's when you end up on eBay, to find the first or last of a series.


How come economics has its own language? - is it to hoodwink and flim-
flam us peasants, my budget is what I have left in me wallet after I
pay the bills. Don't have any debt, dont have a credit card (but do
have a debit card). This probably means I am weird. So be it. And I
know I am out of touch with Contemporary Economics, the stock market
seems to be run by people who base their decisions on reading Chicken
Entrails each morning.

Economics is finding some way to put commas into your bank account
balances. Voodoo and black magic seem to be 2 ways of doing that.


Someone once said "If you cant write a business proposal on one side
of a sheet of A4 paper, your probably bull****ting"

s/b "you're", and that's quite likely true.


The Emperor Has No Clothes - how come its taken so long to see this?

Politicians continue to wave money at the masses and it still catches
their eyes long enough for the vote.


Vegemite - an acquired taste, like American bourbon. But doesn't leave
you feeling crook in the guts next morning.

Vegemite, that's an Aussie's vegetarian version of SPAM, isn't it?


Who knows where all this economic stuff is going Ed - I dont. But as
the old Chinese curse says
"May you live in interesting times"

We got da curse.

Cheers!

--
"Given the low level of competence among politicians,
every American should become a Libertarian."
-- Charley Reese, Alameda Times-Star (California), June 17, 2003

wrote in message
...
On Oct 10, 11:30 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
wrote in message



We're all running around like beheaded chickens and screaming for our
mommas. d8-)

Nah, your not. Your venting in newsgroups, like the rest of us. Liked
some of your stuff in a previous topic, about your idea of the government
being for the best interests of the country. Nice one. The Romans were
pretty good at it, for several thousand years.


Andrew VK3BFA.

You, too, Andrew. You may want to re-read _On the Beach_. There are lots
of
tips for Australians in there. I'm re-reading _Only Yesterday_, and
trying
to judge if I can grow enough rutabagas in my backyard to survive. Maybe
I
can raise some rabbits...

--
Ed Huntress

Mm, yes well - you covered a few things there Ed, and as I know your a
Smart ******* as we say here, not sure if your taking the **** or
what. (Translate that sentence if you can)

I just have my tongue in my cheek. d8-) As George said, most of us are
hardly feeling this meltdown -- yet. There are still mortgage companies and
car dealers advertising loans on good terms, for example. The shelves at the
supermarkets are still well-stocked. If one has a lot of money, whether
privately invested or in a retirement account, they're feeling it in a big
way. Otherwise, not. That is, those who haven't lost their jobs, and those
numbers aren't really very large. It's absolutely dominating our news, but
it's like watching a documentary movie about the Amazon jungle for most of
us -- colorful critters, biting insects, rampant rot. BTW, gasoline has
dropped in price in my neighborhood, over the last few weeks, from $3.69/US
gallon to $2.95. That eases some of the pain.


Whats a rutabaga? - is it edible - is it similar to Brussel Sprouts
(which are not)

I *love* Brussels sprouts. A rutabaga, also known as a yellow turnip, is a
cross between a cabbage and a regular ("white," or "purple-top") turnip. I
know that sounds like crossing a dog and a cat, but that's what the books
say. They're pretty decent root vegetables. They used to be popular in
Germany but they got sick of them when that was all they had to eat, so they
don't eat them anymore. They aren't all that popular here anymore, either,
but they're a traditional root vegetable in New England. I'm from a New
England family and we use them in pot roast. They also have a funny name so
they're good for food jokes.

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

g I used to hunt them before school, when I was 12 and 13 years old. Now I
just chase them out of my garden.


On the Beach - a good read, by a British author, about how the Yanks
and the Russians screwed the world. Actually, all of Neville Shutes
books are pretty good - "Trustee from the Toolroom" has some nice
engineering passages in it. And its a Good Read. Its getting really
hard to find a good Trashy Novel - the sort you read for relaxation
and entertainment. I seem to be reading more and more metal related
books these days.

Theres never been a shortage of apocryphal novels - what ****es me off
is when they run to several volumes, you get sucked right in, and
then........the library doesn't have the last/latest one. (See Trashy
Novel above - very rarely are they good enough to actually buy(instead
of books on Metalworking))

How come economics has its own language? - is it to hoodwink and flim-
flam us peasants, my budget is what I have left in me wallet after I
pay the bills. Don't have any debt, dont have a credit card (but do
have a debit card). This probably means I am weird. So be it. And I
know I am out of touch with Contemporary Economics, the stock market
seems to be run by people who base their decisions on reading Chicken
Entrails each morning.

Economics is weird because it is complicated and not nearly as instinctively
knowable as most of us think. My son is an econ major in college, in his
junior year. He's on his third semester of calculus and his first of
statistics; he has another semester of statistics and then econometrics,
which is all math, to go before he gets his degree.

That's as much math as I had as an engineering major, and I had almost
completed the math requirement before I changed majors to political science.
So economics, today, is pretty heavy-duty stuff. It's also full of
surprises. As I mentioned in another thread, money is not what most people
think it is, for example. That's why most of us don't have a lot of it.


Someone once said "If you cant write a business proposal on one side
of a sheet of A4 paper, your probably bull****ting"

The Emperor Has No Clothes - how come its taken so long to see this?

Vegemite - an acquired taste, like American bourbon. But doesn't leave
you feeling crook in the guts next morning.

Who knows where all this economic stuff is going Ed - I dont. But as
the old Chinese curse says
"May you live in interesting times"

Uh, yes, I think we are. g Thanks for your concern and your kind thoughts,
Andrew. Don't worry too much about us. We probably won't tank. Of course, if
we do, we're probably taking you with us. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

it's like watching a documentary movie about the Amazon jungle for most of us

To me, its like watching a low speed train wreck; a train that may have your
family inside but you're not quite sure. While you are certainly interested in
the outcome, there is nothing you can do about it. It is hard not to watch, but
the results are going to be the same regardless if you do or not.

Vaughn

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:04:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out
the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less.
Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the
counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either
count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is
right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be
reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards
thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'

No! Haven't done one myself, and I pray I never have to - but given
the choice of "Him or Me" I'm picking "Me" every time. AIUI you left
out a VERY critical step. I'm pretty darned sure it goes like this:

First thou shalt hold the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch firmly around
the middle like you would a baseball or a pomegranate to be thrown,
with two fingertips firmly on the Holy Spoon. Then you take out the
Holy Pin in preparation for the Blessings of the Count...

Then you start counting at the same time your fingertips release the
Holy Spoon and shift your grip to be thoroughly firm and resolute.
And when your count reaches the blessed number of three (not two, not
four, and CERTAINLY not five) /then/ and *only* then do you lobbest
thy vengeance at thy foe with great vigor - and with even greater
accuracy...

Then thou duckest behind a solid rampart or redoubt, because it
shall soon get noisy and messy, yea and verily.

If you forget the 'release the spoon' part (that lights the time
delay fuse) and throw it after having held the spoon down the whole
time, said foe has enough precious time (those priceless extra three
seconds) to say their "Hail Mary's" and mark the Holy Hand Grenade
"Return To Sender". And you /really/ don't want that.

-- Bruce --

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:30:50 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Whats a rutabaga? - is it edible - is it similar to Brussel Sprouts
(which are not)

I *love* Brussels sprouts. A rutabaga, also known as a yellow turnip, is a
cross between a cabbage and a regular ("white," or "purple-top") turnip. I
know that sounds like crossing a dog and a cat, but that's what the books
say. They're pretty decent root vegetables. They used to be popular in
Germany but they got sick of them when that was all they had to eat, so they
don't eat them anymore. They aren't all that popular here anymore, either,
but they're a traditional root vegetable in New England. I'm from a New
England family and we use them in pot roast. They also have a funny name so
they're good for food jokes.



It's swede.
Can be eaten raw, boiled, mashed, roasted. It's the vital ingredient that
gives pasties their taste in Devon.

Not to be confused with kohlrabi. Which is another delightful vegetable.


Mark Rand
RTFM

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:30:50 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:


Whats a rutabaga? - is it edible - is it similar to Brussel Sprouts
(which are not)

I *love* Brussels sprouts. A rutabaga, also known as a yellow turnip, is a
cross between a cabbage and a regular ("white," or "purple-top") turnip. I
know that sounds like crossing a dog and a cat, but that's what the books
say. They're pretty decent root vegetables. They used to be popular in
Germany but they got sick of them when that was all they had to eat, so
they
don't eat them anymore. They aren't all that popular here anymore, either,
but they're a traditional root vegetable in New England. I'm from a New
England family and we use them in pot roast. They also have a funny name
so
they're good for food jokes.



It's swede.

Not in the US. I understand they call them swedes in the UK, right? What we
call a swede is a sweet potato.

Can be eaten raw, boiled, mashed, roasted. It's the vital ingredient that
gives pasties their taste in Devon.

Not to be confused with kohlrabi. Which is another delightful vegetable.

I'm so glad that the cuisine in the UK has improved markedly since I was a
student there. I lost five pounds in two weeks, and I would eat anything in
those days. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:54 -0700, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:04:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out
the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less.
Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the
counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either
count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is
right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be
reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards
thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'

No! Haven't done one myself, and I pray I never have to - but given
the choice of "Him or Me" I'm picking "Me" every time. AIUI you left
out a VERY critical step. I'm pretty darned sure it goes like this:

First thou shalt hold the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch firmly around
the middle like you would a baseball or a pomegranate to be thrown,
with two fingertips firmly on the Holy Spoon. Then you take out the
Holy Pin in preparation for the Blessings of the Count...

Then you start counting at the same time your fingertips release the
Holy Spoon and shift your grip to be thoroughly firm and resolute.
And when your count reaches the blessed number of three (not two, not
four, and CERTAINLY not five) /then/ and *only* then do you lobbest
thy vengeance at thy foe with great vigor - and with even greater
accuracy...

Then thou duckest behind a solid rampart or redoubt, because it
shall soon get noisy and messy, yea and verily.

If you forget the 'release the spoon' part (that lights the time
delay fuse) and throw it after having held the spoon down the whole
time, said foe has enough precious time (those priceless extra three
seconds) to say their "Hail Mary's" and mark the Holy Hand Grenade
"Return To Sender". And you /really/ don't want that.

-- Bruce --

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-21.htm is where I got my
script. YMMV, Bruce.

--
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without
hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness.
-- George Sand

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:24:19 -0400, Wes wrote:

"DrollTroll" wrote:

Gunner may make you sign sumpn or other, to the effect that you agree to
shoot Cliff on sight, should he show up aknockin.

Gunner would not delegate that.

Wes

Not even a little bit..

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

Aye! If Bre'r Owl and Bre'r fox don't get 'em, I shurzhell will if
they munch Milady's garden.

The squirrels don't bother me so I don't bother them, but rabbits
beware.

Don Foreman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

Aye! If Bre'r Owl and Bre'r fox don't get 'em, I shurzhell will if
they munch Milady's garden.

The squirrels don't bother me so I don't bother them, but rabbits
beware.


You be blowin up bunny butts? ;-)


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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:14:42 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:54 -0700, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman
scrawled the following:

If you forget the 'release the spoon' part (that lights the time
delay fuse) and throw it after having held the spoon down the whole
time, said foe has enough precious time (those priceless extra three
seconds) to say their "Hail Mary's" and mark the Holy Hand Grenade
"Return To Sender". And you /really/ don't want that.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-21.htm is where I got my
script. YMMV, Bruce.

Understood. It might be a nice bit of dialog from a movie, but if
you follow it to the letter for real it could get you killed. Thought
I'd better point out the dangerous discrepancy.

All the Crime Scene Investigation TV shows cover the high points of
how it's done, but the devil's in the details. And the convictions.

-- Bruce --

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:24:20 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:




It's swede.

Not in the US. I understand they call them swedes in the UK, right? What we
call a swede is a sweet potato.


Also called swede in the antipodean parts of the world that Andrew calls home
:-)



Mark Rand
RTFM

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:57:28 -0700, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:14:42 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:54 -0700, the infamous Bruce L. Bergman
scrawled the following:

If you forget the 'release the spoon' part (that lights the time
delay fuse) and throw it after having held the spoon down the whole
time, said foe has enough precious time (those priceless extra three
seconds) to say their "Hail Mary's" and mark the Holy Hand Grenade
"Return To Sender". And you /really/ don't want that.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-21.htm is where I got my
script. YMMV, Bruce.

Understood. It might be a nice bit of dialog from a movie, but if
you follow it to the letter for real it could get you killed. Thought
I'd better point out the dangerous discrepancy.

Especially since various kaBoom devices have various timers built in.


All the Crime Scene Investigation TV shows cover the high points of
how it's done, but the devil's in the details. And the convictions.

Not only of the perps but by the police, right?

--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:56:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Don Foreman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

Aye! If Bre'r Owl and Bre'r fox don't get 'em, I shurzhell will if
they munch Milady's garden.

The squirrels don't bother me so I don't bother them, but rabbits
beware.


You be blowin up bunny butts? ;-)

Returning them to nature with an air rifle. They eat garden, rifle
goes pop, they nourish garden and the cycle is complete. I'm merely a
facilitator, right? G

Wes wrote:
wrote:


The news on the economic front is looking especially grim,
particularly for you Yanks. I hope the members of this group manage to
survive the hard times ahead with grace and dignity. I feel sure that,
with the plain old commonsense mechanical (and other) skills you have
acquired from the hobby, we will be better able to mend, make do,
scrounge, recycle as our grandparents did in the 30's.


Let us hope it doesn't get that bad. The G7 countries are so tied at the hip that if we
go down, we take you with us.


This is beyond politics, its happened, its a real mess, and hopefully
something better will arise from the present chaos. I wish you all
well, irrespective of the political arguments and insults.


Whatever 'reforms' are made will be forgotton after a generation or two. History repeats.

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.


Have great weekend,

Wes


Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in
Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it.

They failed and it closed.

Now we are trusting the entire economy of our country to a pack of
nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling
booze?

--

Richard

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Don Foreman wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:56:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Don Foreman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

Aye! If Bre'r Owl and Bre'r fox don't get 'em, I shurzhell will if
they munch Milady's garden.

The squirrels don't bother me so I don't bother them, but rabbits
beware.


You be blowin up bunny butts? ;-)

Returning them to nature with an air rifle. They eat garden, rifle
goes pop, they nourish garden and the cycle is complete. I'm merely a
facilitator, right? G


I'm not complaining, I was just doing the color commentary, like
they do for other sports. ;-)


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

cavelamb himself wrote:


Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in
Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it.

They failed and it closed.

Now we are trusting the entire economy of our country to a pack of
nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling
booze?

If they had waited until the Clinton adminstration to seize it, the results would have
been better.

Wes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:24:13 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:56:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Don Foreman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Rabbits - speak to Don Forman about this, he hunts them in neighbours
backyards, manages to shoot them with Deadly Accuracy before they can
tear him to pieces..

Aye! If Bre'r Owl and Bre'r fox don't get 'em, I shurzhell will if
they munch Milady's garden.

The squirrels don't bother me so I don't bother them, but rabbits
beware.


You be blowin up bunny butts? ;-)

Returning them to nature with an air rifle. They eat garden, rifle
goes pop, they nourish garden and the cycle is complete. I'm merely a
facilitator, right? G

Not using the bunnys to pre-process vegetables so that you can eat plants
without getting all vegetarian? :-)


Mark Rand
RTFM

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:42:24 -0400, the infamous Wes
scrawled the following:

cavelamb himself wrote:


Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in
Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it.

They failed and it closed.

Now we are trusting the entire economy of our country to a pack of
nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling
booze?

If they had waited until the Clinton adminstration to seize it, the results would have
been better.

Yeah, he'd have kept it in top notch condition and probably
commandeered an airline to provide weekly (if not daily) oversight
from all his male staff (and himself.)

--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn