On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve


Coax?

Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:


I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use?

Homebrew open wire feed-line.
For 50 KV (plus 100% margin) you need ~1.3" of air separation between
conductors. Chop up and 'through drill' some plastic rod into 2" long
spacers to put at 3" intervals to hold the wires apart.

--Winston

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve

SteveB wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve


How about a remote control? By a replacement garage door opener
transmitter and receiver, then you can walk away before triggering it.
Another way would be to add a timer to give you 30 seconds (or more) to
walk away.


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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:47:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


SteveB wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve


How about a remote control? By a replacement garage door opener
transmitter and receiver, then you can walk away before triggering it.
Another way would be to add a timer to give you 30 seconds (or more) to
walk away.

I would also recommend a radio, infrared or low-voltage wire remote
control. Keep the H.V. source close to the spark gap. The
capacitance of 25 feet of coax could soak up a lot of your spark.

Low voltage wire (e.g. speaker wire or lampcord) is probably
simplest. A kid's R/C toy could provide battery-powered radios for
under $10 but sparks might drive it nuts.
http://www.lifecozy.com/trc427003.html

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:18:33 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
Winston quickly quoth:

Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:


I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use?

Homebrew open wire feed-line.
For 50 KV (plus 100% margin) you need ~1.3" of air separation between
conductors. Chop up and 'through drill' some plastic rod into 2" long
spacers to put at 3" intervals to hold the wires apart.

IMHO, it would be better to put the stun gun at the intended area and
the wiring to -control- it running the 25 feet to the trigger area.

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On Apr 26, 12:40*pm, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"

wrote:
I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. *What would be the
best wire to use? *I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. *For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

Steve

Coax?

Figure on 30pF of capacitance per foot for coax. It will seriously
reduce AC voltage although with DC you'll get even more spark. i know,
having been bitten by 3' of disconnected coax that had been charged to
40KV.
You could try TV twin-lead.

Larry Jaques wrote:

IMHO, it would be better to put the stun gun at the intended area and
the wiring to -control- it running the 25 feet to the trigger area.

Yeahbut.

Some percentage of the time, Steve is gonna press the 'go' button
and be sans whoomph.
He gets to come out from his firing position and creep up on his
HV box, modified for remote triggering. How does he safely trouble-
shoot and test his system?

If the HV box is right next to Steve, he can disconnect it and do
all his testing behind his shield.

--Winston

In article ,
Don Foreman wrote:

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:47:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


SteveB wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to
the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder
than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve


How about a remote control? By a replacement garage door opener
transmitter and receiver, then you can walk away before triggering it.
Another way would be to add a timer to give you 30 seconds (or more) to
walk away.

I would be leery of any kind of radio link, as it could be triggered by
accident at a really awkward time.


I would also recommend a radio, infrared or low-voltage wire remote
control. Keep the H.V. source close to the spark gap. The
capacitance of 25 feet of coax could soak up a lot of your spark.

Low voltage wire (e.g. speaker wire or lampcord) is probably
simplest. A kid's R/C toy could provide battery-powered radios for
under $10 but sparks might drive it nuts.
http://www.lifecozy.com/trc427003.html

How about a long low-voltage wire controlling a relay, which relay
triggers the spark?

Joe Gwinn

Joseph Gwinn wrote:

I would be leery of any kind of radio link, as it could be triggered by
accident at a really awkward time.


The new garage door opener controls are digitally encoded. Thousands
of codes, and they are short range devices. Usually under 100 feet. You
keep the thing in safe mode, till you are ready to walk away and trigger
it. No matter HOW you trigger it, there is a slight chance of a
premature ignition.

Who knows? One of the varmints might be taking a smoke break in the
tunnel? ;-)


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Pete Keillor wrote:

Coax?


I have a feeling coax is the worst wire to use. IIRC, coax tends to dampen
lightning strikes if my ARRL reading is remembered correctly.

Wes

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Put the stun gun (step-up inverter) right near the gopher hole
opening - then you can run the 9V DC to the stun gun with common
12-AWG landscape lighting cable - heavy duty zip cord.

The HV side is hard to run long distances. They do make single
conductor 14 and 16 AWG solid wire with 5KV and 10KV insulation for
use with neon signs, but it isn't cheap.

Some auto parts stores still have bulk solid core (usually stranded)
sparkplug wire, but good parts stores are an endangered species.
Resistor wire is worthless for your purposes, it has a graphite string
center conductor.

-- Bruce --

On Apr 26, 1:38*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. *What would be the
best wire to use? *I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. *For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. *I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve

Why not use only one wire to the gas mix and use the ground as the
other conductor?

"Pete Keillor" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to
the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder
than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve


Coax?

Thanks. I'd never thought of that, and that would give a stiff durable
conductor that would be easy to make work..

Steve

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to
the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder
than
a .357 Magnum.

Put the stun gun (step-up inverter) right near the gopher hole
opening - then you can run the 9V DC to the stun gun with common
12-AWG landscape lighting cable - heavy duty zip cord.

The HV side is hard to run long distances. They do make single
conductor 14 and 16 AWG solid wire with 5KV and 10KV insulation for
use with neon signs, but it isn't cheap.

Some auto parts stores still have bulk solid core (usually stranded)
sparkplug wire, but good parts stores are an endangered species.
Resistor wire is worthless for your purposes, it has a graphite string
center conductor.

-- Bruce --

For flexibility purposes, I want to run a two conductor through a larger
diameter hose that will be taking the gas down the hole. Hence, there will
have to be two wires running down there. The coax and speaker wire sound
plausible, as I have both.

One thing I am learning about this "thing" is that it deserves respect. It
can hurt ya.

Steve

if you run two pieces of coax - maybe RG 58? you will get less capacitive
loss but still get the good insulation - alternatively buy a roll of solid
core ignition wire.


"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Apr 26, 12:40 pm, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"

wrote:
I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

Steve

Coax?

Figure on 30pF of capacitance per foot for coax. It will seriously
reduce AC voltage although with DC you'll get even more spark. i know,
having been bitten by 3' of disconnected coax that had been charged to
40KV.
You could try TV twin-lead.


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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:05:21 -0700, "William Noble"
wrote:

if you run two pieces of coax - maybe RG 58? you will get less capacitive
loss but still get the good insulation - alternatively buy a roll of solid
core ignition wire.


"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Apr 26, 12:40 pm, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"

wrote:
I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

Steve

Coax?

Figure on 30pF of capacitance per foot for coax. It will seriously
reduce AC voltage although with DC you'll get even more spark.

I'm quite sure that stun guns deliver AC, not DC. Frequency would be
in the tens of KHz, nowhere near high enough for skin effect to
operate like it does with TIG HF.

They very probably operate at or quite near the self-resonant
frequency of the secondary, so loading the sec with any significant
capacitance will reduce frequency and peak voltage significantly.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:03:10 -0800, "SteveB"
toquerville,utah@zionvistas wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:38:17 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be
the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one
sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as
common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to
the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder
than
a .357 Magnum.

Put the stun gun (step-up inverter) right near the gopher hole
opening - then you can run the 9V DC to the stun gun with common
12-AWG landscape lighting cable - heavy duty zip cord.

The HV side is hard to run long distances. They do make single
conductor 14 and 16 AWG solid wire with 5KV and 10KV insulation for
use with neon signs, but it isn't cheap.

Some auto parts stores still have bulk solid core (usually stranded)
sparkplug wire, but good parts stores are an endangered species.
Resistor wire is worthless for your purposes, it has a graphite string
center conductor.

-- Bruce --

For flexibility purposes, I want to run a two conductor through a larger
diameter hose that will be taking the gas down the hole. Hence, there will
have to be two wires running down there. The coax and speaker wire sound
plausible, as I have both.

One thing I am learning about this "thing" is that it deserves respect. It
can hurt ya.

Steve

There is no way I would run stungun voltage inside the gas hose short
of enclosing it in grounded metal tubing. Unintended sparking inside
the gas line could get too exciting for my timid self, though I don't
mind the blast from a .357 magnum a bit as long as it's on my side.
YMMV.

How about using model rocket motor ignitors instead of the stun gun. We
have used propane and air to blow up beaver lodges (no envromentalist
flames, please). After pumping the mix into the air vent via a 2 inch
metal tube, we drop the low voltage wire pair, with igntor connected to
the end, down the hole and back off. Then simply connect the other end
to a 9v battery and "whoom". Since we are real chicken about getting
blown up along with the lodge, we back off as much as 150 feet and hide
behind a tree. The resistance of the 16 or 18 gage wire we are using
reduces the current flow too much to set off the the igniter, so we just
series up more 9 volt batteries until "she blows". This is really easy
to do with 9 volt batteries, because of the way the snap connectors
work. IIRC, 150 feet of 16 or 18 gage 2 conductore wire required 3 or 4
X 9 volt batteries.
'
Pete Stanaitis
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just go argue with the "tree types". After the "cute litte beavers"
dammed up the creek, destroying 3+ arces of mature hardwood trees and
leaving anti-personnel and anti-tractor-tire pungee sticks all over the
place, it was a "no brainer".

SteveB wrote:

I want to run a stun gun arc from the box about 25 feet. What would be the
best wire to use? I want to use a two wire combo that is within one sheath,
like a light cord. For that high voltage, should I use something as common
as regular wire, or should I use solid copper wire.

I got my gopher blaster working, and having the button anywhere close to the
burrow opening is not a good thing. I had two blasts that were louder than
a .357 Magnum.

Steve

--If you're talking potato gun ignitor you can use an ordinary
extension cord; it worked for me, bwahaha..

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