How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:01 -0700, Gerry wrote:
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either

Well, here's the deal. AOL gets you connected to the internet. They're
no different than any local dialup internet provider even though they
pretend to be. Once you make a connection to the internet, you're _in_.
Once you're in, any application you use can be used to access anything
on the internet.

AOL tries to hide this from you, because they want to pretend that the
Internet is just another keyword in AOL. It's not.

So. Once you dial in and get connected to the Internet, you can get
firefox as a browser, and access the REAL internet, not the AOL'ish
version. Download the firefox browser, install it, you'll be fine,
millions of us use it and it's completely legit.

Now, you have firefox. Open up AOL, get the connection to the internet,
then fire up Firefox. Welcome to the _real_ internet, not the "here's
what we want you to see" internet. You now have access to everything.
If you'ure running Windows, go to http://www.google.com and enter "forte
download" into the search box. Download and install it. This will get
you a newsreader that supports killfiles. Get it running, then ask for
help.

Once you're running forte' on the real internet, you can filter out all
the spam you want, including the crossposts that are the bane of
legitimate conversations.

Gerry wrote:

How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either


I dunno either.

According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as
they are.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:03:44 GMT, cavelamb himself wrote:

I dunno either.
According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as
they are.

If that's how you interpret "killfile anything crossposted to two or
more groups, as identified by (blah)", then, sorry there sparky, well,
maybe you're not 'smat' enough to figure out teh intertubes, but, if you
want a fix, killfile as I described. If you want to just complain
though, carry on as you are. (shrug) doesn't matter to me. The tools
have been handed to you, if you choose to not use them, that's nobody's
problem but your own.

Gerry writes:

How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either


The software used to built the Internet is all available.
Not only that, but there are dozens of packages that do the same thing.
People can take this software and change it in any way they want to.
Some people create libraries to make writing software really really easy.

Programs use these and write code that instead of doing something once,
it does it thousands of times.

It's turtles - all the way down.

On Aug 13, 8:00 pm, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:01 -0700, Gerry wrote:
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either

Well, here's the deal. AOL gets you connected to the internet. They're
no different than any local dialup internet provider even though they
pretend to be. Once you make a connection to the internet, you're _in_.
Once you're in, any application you use can be used to access anything
on the internet.

AOL tries to hide this from you, because they want to pretend that the
Internet is just another keyword in AOL. It's not.

So. Once you dial in and get connected to the Internet, you can get
firefox as a browser, and access the REAL internet, not the AOL'ish
version. Download the firefox browser, install it, you'll be fine,
millions of us use it and it's completely legit.

Now, you have firefox. Open up AOL, get the connection to the internet,
then fire up Firefox. Welcome to the _real_ internet, not the "here's
what we want you to see" internet. You now have access to everything.
If you'ure running Windows, go tohttp://www.google.comand enter "forte
download" into the search box. Download and install it. This will get
you a newsreader that supports killfiles. Get it running, then ask for
help.

Once you're running forte' on the real internet, you can filter out all
the spam you want, including the crossposts that are the bane of
legitimate conversations.

So if I download "forte" it will do something to get rid of all the
senseless crap I'm seeing here? I'm already using Firefox. I no longer
use aol as my internet gateway

Gerry writes:

So if I download "forte" it will do something to get rid of all the
senseless crap I'm seeing here? I'm already using Firefox. I no longer
use aol as my internet gateway

Firefox is a browser. What you need to use is a dedicated news browser
program. I prefer a text-based news reader. I never have to use a
mouse. 95% of the time I press either "n" to skip the current article,
or "spacebar" to read it. "k" kills that subject. if I want to skip
more than one.

On 14 Aug 2007 01:00:41 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

If you'ure running Windows, go to http://www.google.com and enter "forte
download" into the search box. Download and install it. This will get
you a newsreader that supports killfiles. Get it running, then ask for
help.

Once you're running forte' on the real internet, you can filter out all
the spam you want, including the crossposts that are the bane of
legitimate conversations.


ahum.....one of the better versions of Agent is 1.92.

Then a google for Forte Agent 1.92 KeyGen may be something you may or
may not wish to do.

Shrug


Gunner....pondering the Eightfold Path...and key generators....

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:26:53 -0700, Gerry wrote:

On Aug 13, 8:00 pm, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:01 -0700, Gerry wrote:
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either

Well, here's the deal. AOL gets you connected to the internet. They're
no different than any local dialup internet provider even though they
pretend to be. Once you make a connection to the internet, you're _in_.
Once you're in, any application you use can be used to access anything
on the internet.

AOL tries to hide this from you, because they want to pretend that the
Internet is just another keyword in AOL. It's not.

So. Once you dial in and get connected to the Internet, you can get
firefox as a browser, and access the REAL internet, not the AOL'ish
version. Download the firefox browser, install it, you'll be fine,
millions of us use it and it's completely legit.

Now, you have firefox. Open up AOL, get the connection to the internet,
then fire up Firefox. Welcome to the _real_ internet, not the "here's
what we want you to see" internet. You now have access to everything.
If you'ure running Windows, go tohttp://www.google.comand enter "forte
download" into the search box. Download and install it. This will get
you a newsreader that supports killfiles. Get it running, then ask for
help.

Once you're running forte' on the real internet, you can filter out all
the spam you want, including the crossposts that are the bane of
legitimate conversations.

So if I download "forte" it will do something to get rid of all the
senseless crap I'm seeing here? I'm already using Firefox. I no longer
use aol as my internet gateway

Sigh....Gerry...the internet is simply a pathway between multiple
fancy computers called Servers.

They are much like a phone company central office, directing traffice
hither and yon. Like a phone company...there are thousands and
millions of central offices, both public and private. And each one has
hundreds and thousands of people connected to them, each with their
own phone number. These phone numbers are called IP addresses. (IP
means internet protocol). The Internet provider issues them to you
when you sign up....or when you log in. Some stay the same, others,
may be issued to you each time you log in.

I use dialup...so my number changes each time I log in. Currently its
4.246.81.32
Thats the number assigned to me by Earthlink..the last time I logged
in. It will be something different the next time.

Static numbers....or dynamic numbers. Special methods are used to
convert these numbers to the web addresses you normaly use.

http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/ipa...paddress.shtml


Anyways...a "browser" is a piece of software that you use to access
this monsterously huge and growing network once you have logged in to
your provider. Some browsers...like the AOL program..is a custom and
is designed by the AOL people to make it easy for you to navigate
around inside of the AOL servers. Think of it as a special program to
help the retarded.
Other browsers..and there are many...are written for the non retarded.
Firefox etc etc. When you type in a web address or click on a
link...there is a ****load of stuff that happens before it pops up on
your screen. Your browser and the various servers between you and the
server that is hosting that address handles all of this like freaking
magic, and you never see the nuts and bolts, the gears and the giant
magnitos all spinning up and the lightening arcs and so forth as you
are connected to that address. Its really cool and awesome if you get
a peek of whats actually going on.

for fun...do a traceroute of your IP address....G

http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticp...ual-traceroute

Btw...this shows my computer 135 miles from where it actually
is...chuckle

Now...Usenet...is a special "network" living side by side...inside
actually, of the regular Internet. Usenet is where all the newsgroups
are. It takes special software to directly access Usenet.
Some internet providers or companies do some magic and convert Usenet
messages to a format you can use a regular browser with, such as
Google. However..this is again, a way to assist the retarded. Shrug

A News Reader, such as Forte Agent, etc etc are software programs that
allow you to access Usenet directly, rather than useing the retards
software. Some have more features than others. Some are easier to use
than others. There are News Readers for each different operating
system, such as Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix etc etc.
Agent has versions for Windows and Mac. Its quite easy to use and
setup, but doesnt have some of the geek features that the Linux/Unix
news readers do. Most of these features btw..you will NEVER use unless
you are a geek.

Anyways...Forte Agent IMHO..is one of the best Usenet news readers for
windows. It has the most common features in an easy to use program.
It does a fair job of providing "filters" but it doesnt do a lot of
the geek stuff the Linux/Unix newsreaders have. Shrug.
This is one of the rare occasions that having Geek Stuff may be nice.
However..I dont see the ongoing crap..because my internet providers
Usenet servers seems to be handling the crap all by itself, and Im not
seeing any of it.

(yes guys...this is an utter simplification and has serious
inaccuracies..but was written for an apparent newbie...shrug)

Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:

Other browsers..and there are many...are written for the non retarded.
Firefox etc etc. When you type in a web address or click on a
link...there is a ****load of stuff that happens before it pops up on
your screen. Your browser and the various servers between you and the
server that is hosting that address handles all of this like freaking
magic, and you never see the nuts and bolts, the gears and the giant
magnitos all spinning up and the lightening arcs and so forth as you
are connected to that address. Its really cool and awesome if you get
a peek of whats actually going on.


ROTFLMAO!!!

Ya 'splained it just right,

"Gerry" wrote in message
oups.com...
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either


Nobody answered your first question!!!! How does one write gibberish? I
would also like to know. They seem to be more than just random words from
the dictionary.
Anyone???

Thanks, Ivan Vegvary

Ivan Vegvary wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
oups.com...

How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either



Nobody answered your first question!!!! How does one write gibberish? I
would also like to know. They seem to be more than just random words from
the dictionary.
Anyone???

Thanks, Ivan Vegvary



If you want to know as much about cryptology as I do (?)

watch the movie "National Treasure". (gbg)

Yep, the one where Nic Cage steals the Declaration of Independence -
for the invisible secret map on the back.

In the story the data on the back of the Decleration is a bunch
of numbers. The numbers refer to words - page, line, word - within
a "key" document. In this case the Silence Dogood letters -written
by Ben Franklin and printed all over America.


So what we see here today could be used for that purpose too.

Pick out the words for your secret message by File, Line, Word?

And they have been published all over the world - in great gobs.

There's no way to break the code - unless you know which file
to use for the key.

Now that you know all I know, maybe somebody who really knows will
straighten us out?


Richard

..

Gunner Asch writes:

Sigh....Gerry...the internet is simply a pathway between multiple
fancy computers called Servers.

I'd say that there are clients and servers, and the Internet
is a way that allows ANY of these machines to connect to ANY
other machines.

Normally we have client-to-server connections (mail, news, web, etc.)

In peer-to-peer we have client to client. That's like bittorrent, eMule, etc.

There are server-to-server connections like mail transport systems,
but normal users don't deal with this.


It sounds scary - which is why people should have a dedicated firewall
box (not a piece of software on your computer) to protect you from the
nasties.

"Ivan Vegvary" writes:

Nobody answered your first question!!!! How does one write gibberish? I
would also like to know. They seem to be more than just random words from
the dictionary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomskybot

Here's an example where we learn some sample text what to say. Let's say someone says two sentances:

I think that this is wrong
I think that you may be right

If you want to duplicate this randomly, you collect data so that
after every three words, you remember the fourth. That's something like this:

"I think that" - this
"think that this" - is
"that this is " - wrong
"I think that" - you
"think that you " - may
"that you may " - be
"you may be " - right


So the program starts generating random phrases, and after the words
"you may be" the next word would be "right."

But after "I think that", there is a 50/50 change that the next word
would be "this" or "you"


If you have enough data, you can have it randomly create words that
match the style of an individual.

"Ivan Vegvary" wrote in message
news:zsbwi.1597$vC4.927@trndny01...

"Gerry" wrote in message
oups.com...
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either


Nobody answered your first question!!!! How does one write gibberish? I
would also like to know. They seem to be more than just random words from
the dictionary.
Anyone???

Thanks, Ivan Vegvary


To both of you above, thank you for the insight!! Very interesting.

Ivan Vegvary

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:04:31 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
snip
Agent has versions for Windows and Mac. Its quite easy to use and
setup, but doesnt have some of the geek features that the Linux/Unix
news readers do. Most of these features btw..you will NEVER use unless
you are a geek.

Anyways...Forte Agent IMHO..is one of the best Usenet news readers for
windows. It has the most common features in an easy to use program.
It does a fair job of providing "filters" but it doesnt do a lot of
the geek stuff the Linux/Unix newsreaders have. Shrug.
This is one of the rare occasions that having Geek Stuff may be nice.
However..I dont see the ongoing crap..because my internet providers
Usenet servers seems to be handling the crap all by itself, and Im not
seeing any of it.

(yes guys...this is an utter simplification and has serious
inaccuracies..but was written for an apparent newbie...shrug)

Only serious inaccuracy I see at a glance, is that Forte Agent does
*not* have a native Mac version. It can run under an emulator on Mac as
far as I know. Pretty sure it will run under Crossover Office on a
Mac...

Agent runs *very well* under Crossover on Linux though. And often will
run well under Wine which is totally free. (Crossover is $40)
--
William

Thunderbird.

However, since the subjects are different - they are not threadable.
Thunderbird likes those n,k.... came from Netscape or Mosaic.

I have requested from the software type at Thunderbird city - we need to
killfile in a sense a news group cross feed due to hijacking.
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Maxwell Lol wrote:
Gerry writes:

So if I download "forte" it will do something to get rid of all the
senseless crap I'm seeing here? I'm already using Firefox. I no longer
use aol as my internet gateway

Firefox is a browser. What you need to use is a dedicated news browser
program. I prefer a text-based news reader. I never have to use a
mouse. 95% of the time I press either "n" to skip the current article,
or "spacebar" to read it. "k" kills that subject. if I want to skip
more than one.

----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:01 -0700, Gerry wrote:
How does one do something like what is happening here? Surely some
asshole is not sitting typing out all these nonsensical posts! Does
not look like a program to just put random words from a dictionary
together either. I am computer ignorant and have no idea how to
"killfile" this stuff, either

Well, here's the deal. AOL gets you connected to the internet. They're
no different than any local dialup internet provider even though they
pretend to be. Once you make a connection to the internet, you're _in_.
Once you're in, any application you use can be used to access anything
on the internet.

AOL tries to hide this from you, because they want to pretend that the
Internet is just another keyword in AOL. It's not.

So. Once you dial in and get connected to the Internet, you can get
firefox as a browser, and access the REAL internet, not the AOL'ish
version. Download the firefox browser, install it, you'll be fine,
millions of us use it and it's completely legit.

Now, you have firefox. Open up AOL, get the connection to the internet,
then fire up Firefox. Welcome to the _real_ internet, not the "here's
what we want you to see" internet. You now have access to everything.
If you'ure running Windows, go to http://www.google.com and enter "forte
download" into the search box. Download and install it. This will get
you a newsreader that supports killfiles. Get it running, then ask for
help.

Once you're running forte' on the real internet, you can filter out all
the spam you want, including the crossposts that are the bane of
legitimate conversations.


How can this be?

You must be wrong.

All the AOL advertisements I have seen say they have complete control over
spam.

Steve ;-)

"cavelamb himself" wrote

According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as they
are.


If you can't figure out killfiling, do this:

1. Collect all your computer stuff.
2. Throw it in the trash or sell it.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to use it.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote


According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as they
are.



If you can't figure out killfiling, do this:

1. Collect all your computer stuff.
2. Throw it in the trash or sell it.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to use it.

Steve



Trolling Steve?

cavelamb himself wrote:

Trolling Steve?


Does he even have a 'trolling permit'?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Aug 16, 4:35 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote

According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as they
are.

If you can't figure out killfiling, do this:

1. Collect all your computer stuff.
2. Throw it in the trash or sell it.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to use it.

Steve

Sure wish I was as smart as Steve must be, but then I suspect that no
one is

you do kow that the line steve rattled off is the punch line from a story
originally about Word Perfect support, that has been going round the world
since the early 80s, don't you? even though the story isn't true, you can
read it here http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/wordperfect.asp
you will see that the concept predates this newsgroup by a goodly bit


"Gerry" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 16, 4:35 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote

According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as
they
are.

If you can't figure out killfiling, do this:

1. Collect all your computer stuff.
2. Throw it in the trash or sell it.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to use it.

Steve

Sure wish I was as smart as Steve must be, but then I suspect that no
one is




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Well, it's not labled as such so I take it as a direct comment aimed
at myself or others asking for help. It isn't helpful or appropriate
in my opinion, but then I suspect that it was not meant to be either

On Aug 16, 9:08 pm, "William Noble" wrote:
you do kow that the line steve rattled off is the punch line from a story
originally about Word Perfect support, that has been going round the world
since the early 80s, don't you? even though the story isn't true, you can
read it herehttp://www.snopes.com/humor/business/wordperfect.asp
you will see that the concept predates this newsgroup by a goodly bit

"Gerry" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Aug 16, 4:35 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote

According to those who know it's our own fault for not being smat as
they
are.

If you can't figure out killfiling, do this:

1. Collect all your computer stuff.
2. Throw it in the trash or sell it.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to use it.

Steve

Sure wish I was as smart as Steve must be, but then I suspect that no
one is

--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com