http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http://metalworking.algebra.com/ works better.




"Ignoramus18798" wrote in message
.. .
http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

On Mon, 22 May 2006 12:36:34 -0700, Ken Davey wrote:
Ignoramus18798 wrote:
http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

Hi Ig.
I can't access the page - something weird in the URL.

Try removing spaces from it, I added spaces to thwart spammers. They
are very effective and pick up new wikis very quickly.

i

Ignoramus18798 wrote:
http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

Hi Ig.
I can't access the page - something weird in the URL.

Ken.

--
Volunteer your idle computer time for cancer research
http//www.grid.org/download/gold/download.htm
Return address courtesy of Spammotel http://www.spammotel.com/

Ig:
I think we should include the guys at:
sci.engr.joining.welding
I'd like to see all of Ernie Leimkuhler's posts indexed and posted.
He's a great welding resource.
-Mike

On 22 May 2006 14:17:43 -0700, mlcorson wrote:
Ig:
I think we should include the guys at:
sci.engr.joining.welding
I'd like to see all of Ernie Leimkuhler's posts indexed and posted.
He's a great welding resource.

Sounds like a great idea Mike, would you like to invite Ernie?

i

Ignoramus18798 wrote:

http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

If anyone had the time, going through and pulling information out of the
good threads would be way cool.

Unfortunately, its not me -- I expect to be retiring in about 30 or 40
years, however, and will happily take up the slack if no one has done it
before then.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Steve Pitt wrote:
You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http:// metalworking. algebra. com/ works better.



Apparently you entirely missed the part about there being wicked spambots that
look for wiki sites to spam them, and that being why the URL was intentionally
disguised in the first place. Which you have now compromised entirely. Suggest
you try canceling your post.

GWE

On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:33 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote:
Steve Pitt wrote:
You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http:// metalworking. algebra. com/ works better.



Apparently you entirely missed the part about there being wicked spambots that
look for wiki sites to spam them, and that being why the URL was intentionally
disguised in the first place. Which you have now compromised entirely. Suggest
you try canceling your post.

GWE

That's OK, in a few days I am going to "lock down" the wiki, so that
the people who registered to date get privileges to sign up other
people, but new visitors would need them to allow signups. That's so
that spambots could not sign up automatically.

i

You have done a fine thing. Thanks very much. This will become an
excellent resource.

Steve

Ignoramus18798 wrote:

http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit. All content
here exists under GNU Free Documentation License, which means that
anyone (anyone in the world) could use or republish this content,
under some GNU style limitations.

Wiki (MediaWiki) is software that allows collaborative editing of wiki
pages in an easy manner, keeps history of changes etc.

This page is not a property of any individual, including myself. It is
a community resource. Specifically, anyone can download a snapshot of
the database (location to be soon announced), or cut and paste webpage
text, and set up a mirror on their website or server. No permission is
needed for this.

The more mirrors, the better!

The following are some things that could be posted he

1) Metalworking HOWTOs (answers to small questions such as "how to
measure thread pitch) are quite welcome here too, it is meant to be
used with one page per single "issue".

2) Description of members' projects (anyone can upload project
descriptions and pictures).

3) Discussions (pages where opposing viewpoints are presented fairly),
of metalworking issues only, however, NO POLITICS WHATSOEVER IS
ALLOWED.


CONTROL: I plan on having many people with administrative privileges.

SPAM: there are many spammers (medications, mortgages etc) who have
automated software packages that spam wikis. These packages even
register wiki accounts. We cannot keep up with them if we allow
unregistered users to make changes, or anonymous registration.

In any case, no account or permission is needed to view the pages.

Therefore, after initial period, anonymous persons would not be
allowed to contribute or register. (Again, no account or permission is
needed to view the pages)

Right now, anyone can register on the wiki and make changes. That will
change after a few days. My suggestion is that we have many sysops
(persons who can create accounts), and requests to become a member
should be posted to this newsgroup.

So... Let's register, I will make pretty much everyone a sysop in a
couple of days, and then I will change to registration with sysop
permission only. I would prefer to eventually be in a position of
having a community of people who keep this page healthy.

I will also set up nightly backups that could be downloaded by
anyone.

I see my role here as a maintainer of the space, not of some sort of a
"leader" etc.

i

"Ignoramus18798" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:33 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:
Steve Pitt wrote:
You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http:// metalworking. algebra. com/ works better.



Apparently you entirely missed the part about there being wicked
spambots that
look for wiki sites to spam them, and that being why the URL was
intentionally
disguised in the first place. Which you have now compromised entirely.
Suggest
you try canceling your post.

GWE

That's OK, in a few days I am going to "lock down" the wiki, so that
the people who registered to date get privileges to sign up other
people, but new visitors would need them to allow signups. That's so
that spambots could not sign up automatically.

i

OK, have registered and have a ton of material in Word format. How do I load
into your site and inform the world that this valuable information is now
available for free?

Wayne

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:14:01 GMT, Wayne Lundberg wrote:

OK, have registered and have a ton of material in Word format. How do I load
into your site and inform the world that this valuable information is now
available for free?

You should just be able to upload them as word docs, or maybe export
them as text. If you'd like to email me one or three of them I'll see
if I can come up with a real process that is painless.

Dave

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:14:01 GMT, Wayne Lundberg wrote:

"Ignoramus18798" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:33 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:
Steve Pitt wrote:
You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http:// metalworking. algebra. com/ works better.



Apparently you entirely missed the part about there being wicked
spambots that
look for wiki sites to spam them, and that being why the URL was
intentionally
disguised in the first place. Which you have now compromised entirely.
Suggest
you try canceling your post.

GWE

That's OK, in a few days I am going to "lock down" the wiki, so that
the people who registered to date get privileges to sign up other
people, but new visitors would need them to allow signups. That's so
that spambots could not sign up automatically.

i

OK, have registered and have a ton of material in Word format. How do I load
into your site and inform the world that this valuable information is now
available for free?

How about exporting your word information into text format?

i

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:00 GMT, Ignoramus8797
wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:14:01 GMT, Wayne Lundberg wrote:

OK, have registered and have a ton of material in Word format. How do I load
into your site and inform the world that this valuable information is now
available for free?

How about exporting your word information into text format?

i

Wouldn't Wiki do best with html? I think in Word you can save word docs
as html.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:02:58 -0700, xray wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:00 GMT, Ignoramus8797
wrote:

How about exporting your word information into text format?

Wouldn't Wiki do best with html? I think in Word you can save word docs
as html.

That would work; we can run it through "tidy" to un-microsoft the HTML.
Igor, if you don't have tidy, it's something you'll like. Even if you
do have it it's something you'll like, well, you know what I mean.

On 23 May 2006 19:13:19 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:02:58 -0700, xray wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:00 GMT, Ignoramus8797
wrote:

How about exporting your word information into text format?

Wouldn't Wiki do best with html? I think in Word you can save word docs
as html.

That would work; we can run it through "tidy" to un-microsoft the HTML.
Igor, if you don't have tidy, it's something you'll like. Even if you
do have it it's something you'll like, well, you know what I mean.


I am quite open to doing whatever makes our life easy.

i

In article ,
"Wayne Lundberg" wrote:

"Ignoramus18798" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:06:33 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:
Steve Pitt wrote:
You might want to take the spaces out of your link.....
http:// metalworking. algebra. com/ works better.



Apparently you entirely missed the part about there being wicked
spambots that
look for wiki sites to spam them, and that being why the URL was
intentionally
disguised in the first place. Which you have now compromised entirely.
Suggest
you try canceling your post.

GWE

That's OK, in a few days I am going to "lock down" the wiki, so that
the people who registered to date get privileges to sign up other
people, but new visitors would need them to allow signups. That's so
that spambots could not sign up automatically.

i

OK, have registered and have a ton of material in Word format. How do I load
into your site and inform the world that this valuable information is now
available for free?

Word documents, unless quite simple, are best converted into pdf (with
all fonts embedded), which is universal on all computers (not just those
that have both Word and the correct fonts installed).

Joe Gwinn

On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:37:42 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:14:25 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
You have done a fine thing. Thanks very much. This will become an
excellent resource.

Thanks. It will be fine if only we do something with it. I hoe that
people use it.

i
Some examples of how to do that would be useful for those of us who
are not computer wizzes. I couldn't figure out how to upload a .pdf
file.

On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:46:03 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:37:42 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:14:25 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
You have done a fine thing. Thanks very much. This will become an
excellent resource.

Thanks. It will be fine if only we do something with it. I hoe that
people use it.

i
Some examples of how to do that would be useful for those of us who
are not computer wizzes. I couldn't figure out how to upload a .pdf
file.

To upload a file, go to

http://metalworking.algebra.com/Special:Upload

i

On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:46:03 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

Some examples of how to do that would be useful for those of us who
are not computer wizzes. I couldn't figure out how to upload a .pdf
file.

I'll see if I can come up with a page of templates. Good idea, thanks.

Dave

On Thu, 25 May 2006 03:55:25 GMT, Ignoramus16643
wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:46:03 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:37:42 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:14:25 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
You have done a fine thing. Thanks very much. This will become an
excellent resource.

Thanks. It will be fine if only we do something with it. I hoe that
people use it.

i
Some examples of how to do that would be useful for those of us who
are not computer wizzes. I couldn't figure out how to upload a .pdf
file.

To upload a file, go to

http://metalworking.algebra.com/Special:Upload

I'd done that. I see stuff that is greek to me. Ig, I know
about as much about 'puterspeak as you do about welding and power
electronics.

You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Ig, I know
about as much about 'puterspeak as you do about welding and power
electronics.

You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

It'll only work if the computer literati find ways to make posting easy
and someone(or many) step up and put some level of organization behind
the content.

A nobel attempt, I'd say. Sharing is what this group is about, so the
idea of the wiki is a good thing. Time will tell if the new repository
can find a way to present things in a way that will be accepted.

I have to admit, that with my quick look at what wikis are, it requires
a whole new language to make pages, and there don't seem to be many
tools for converting common formats (word, pdf, even txt) to a good
looking wiki page.

Because of the steep learning curve for nice-looking wiki pages and the
complication of keeping some sort of sensibility to the information's
organization, it seems to me that it will require lots of time from lots
of inside people to make it work.

When Iggy started posting about his home-brew welder idea I thought he
was crazy, but he is young and enthusiastic enough to work through the
difficulties and limitations. Because of that, I think the wiki idea
could eventually succeed.

It will be nice if it can work. I'm more inclined to try to help than to
just shoot this one down.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

Hey Don, I speak both geek and redneck. Allow me to try to do some
translations, could you look at 'em once I do?

On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray wrote:

It'll only work if the computer literati find ways to make posting easy
and someone(or many) step up and put some level of organization behind
the content.

Well see, that's the whole point of a wiki. It doesn't need to be
exotic or anything, just go in, start an article, and start typing. We
probably should have a "wanted articles" page there if we don't already.
Go in, see what's neeed, click on it, and start writing. Don't worry
about pics, syntax, bold tags, or anything. Just write stuff about
stuff. Linking to another wiki article can be as simple as this:
- Cleaning rusty metal can be done several ways, including
[[electrolysis]] and [[sandblasting]]. Other methods include...

What that just did, is create links to new articles, or existing
articles. If there isn't a sandblasting article, when you click on it,
it takes you to create it - so start typing and that's all there is to
it.

Even if you don't do tabs and links and graphics and all the fancy IT
Geek stuff that you _can_ do in a wiki, don't worry. Just write the
content. Other folks will come along, say "Hey, this could use a
picture, I'll go take one" and take care of it.

Right now I'd love to see text articles; we can make this into a
multi-media extravaganza later, as it matures. Content first, then
extras.

I have to admit, that with my quick look at what wikis are, it requires
a whole new language to make pages, and there don't seem to be many
tools for converting common formats (word, pdf, even txt) to a good
looking wiki page.

Yeah, don't worry about the format, let's just get content there first.

When Iggy started posting about his home-brew welder idea I thought he
was crazy, but he is young and enthusiastic enough to work through the
difficulties and limitations. Because of that, I think the wiki idea
could eventually succeed.

We just need to not overcomplicate it at the start.

It will be nice if it can work. I'm more inclined to try to help than to
just shoot this one down.

Iggy, can we get a page with "articles wanted"?

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 03:55:25 GMT, Ignoramus16643
wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:46:03 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:37:42 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:14:25 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
You have done a fine thing. Thanks very much. This will become an
excellent resource.

Thanks. It will be fine if only we do something with it. I hoe that
people use it.

i
Some examples of how to do that would be useful for those of us who
are not computer wizzes. I couldn't figure out how to upload a .pdf
file.

To upload a file, go to

http://metalworking.algebra.com/Special:Upload

I'd done that. I see stuff that is greek to me. Ig, I know
about as much about 'puterspeak as you do about welding and power
electronics.

You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

Don, I wrote a page about how to upload a PDF:

http://www.metalworker.org/Uploading_a_PDF

It is a part of "simplified help pages" where I will write my answers
if I answer more questions:

http://www.metalworker.org/Help

i

On 26 May 2006 12:19:01 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray wrote:

It'll only work if the computer literati find ways to make posting easy
and someone(or many) step up and put some level of organization behind
the content.

Well see, that's the whole point of a wiki. It doesn't need to be
exotic or anything, just go in, start an article, and start typing. We
probably should have a "wanted articles" page there if we don't already.
Go in, see what's neeed, click on it, and start writing. Don't worry
about pics, syntax, bold tags, or anything. Just write stuff about
stuff. Linking to another wiki article can be as simple as this:
- Cleaning rusty metal can be done several ways, including
[[electrolysis]] and [[sandblasting]]. Other methods include...

What that just did, is create links to new articles, or existing
articles. If there isn't a sandblasting article, when you click on it,
it takes you to create it - so start typing and that's all there is to
it.

Even if you don't do tabs and links and graphics and all the fancy IT
Geek stuff that you _can_ do in a wiki, don't worry. Just write the
content. Other folks will come along, say "Hey, this could use a
picture, I'll go take one" and take care of it.

Right now I'd love to see text articles; we can make this into a
multi-media extravaganza later, as it matures. Content first, then
extras.

I have to admit, that with my quick look at what wikis are, it requires
a whole new language to make pages, and there don't seem to be many
tools for converting common formats (word, pdf, even txt) to a good
looking wiki page.

Yeah, don't worry about the format, let's just get content there first.

My thoughts exactly.

When Iggy started posting about his home-brew welder idea I thought he
was crazy, but he is young and enthusiastic enough to work through the
difficulties and limitations. Because of that, I think the wiki idea
could eventually succeed.

We just need to not overcomplicate it at the start.

It will be nice if it can work. I'm more inclined to try to help than to
just shoot this one down.

Iggy, can we get a page with "articles wanted"?


I added a link to the main page.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray
wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Ig, I know
about as much about 'puterspeak as you do about welding and power
electronics.

You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

It'll only work if the computer literati find ways to make posting easy
and someone(or many) step up and put some level of organization behind
the content.

A nobel attempt, I'd say. Sharing is what this group is about, so the
idea of the wiki is a good thing. Time will tell if the new repository
can find a way to present things in a way that will be accepted.

I have to admit, that with my quick look at what wikis are, it requires
a whole new language to make pages, and there don't seem to be many
tools for converting common formats (word, pdf, even txt) to a good
looking wiki page.

Because of the steep learning curve for nice-looking wiki pages and the
complication of keeping some sort of sensibility to the information's
organization, it seems to me that it will require lots of time from lots
of inside people to make it work.

When Iggy started posting about his home-brew welder idea I thought he
was crazy, but he is young and enthusiastic enough to work through the
difficulties and limitations. Because of that, I think the wiki idea
could eventually succeed.

It will be nice if it can work. I'm more inclined to try to help than to
just shoot this one down.

I heartily agree.

It would be nice if it could accomodate a .pdf document, Word
document or web page. It's a lot easier and more enjoyable to
write, edit and insert photos in a format I'm already familiar with.
I even wrote an article with photos and everthang on my current
project of motorizing a boatlift, converted it to a .pdf document
-- and here it sits because I can't figure out how to upload it. I'm
motivated to share, but not enough to learn a bunch of new-to-me
'puter jargon. I can produce a Word document, a .pdf file or a web
page, seems like that should suffice.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:41:35 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray
wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Ig, I know
about as much about 'puterspeak as you do about welding and power
electronics.

You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

It'll only work if the computer literati find ways to make posting easy
and someone(or many) step up and put some level of organization behind
the content.

A nobel attempt, I'd say. Sharing is what this group is about, so the
idea of the wiki is a good thing. Time will tell if the new repository
can find a way to present things in a way that will be accepted.

I have to admit, that with my quick look at what wikis are, it requires
a whole new language to make pages, and there don't seem to be many
tools for converting common formats (word, pdf, even txt) to a good
looking wiki page.

Because of the steep learning curve for nice-looking wiki pages and the
complication of keeping some sort of sensibility to the information's
organization, it seems to me that it will require lots of time from lots
of inside people to make it work.

When Iggy started posting about his home-brew welder idea I thought he
was crazy, but he is young and enthusiastic enough to work through the
difficulties and limitations. Because of that, I think the wiki idea
could eventually succeed.

It will be nice if it can work. I'm more inclined to try to help than to
just shoot this one down.

I heartily agree.

It would be nice if it could accomodate a .pdf document, Word
document or web page. It's a lot easier and more enjoyable to
write, edit and insert photos in a format I'm already familiar with.
I even wrote an article with photos and everthang on my current
project of motorizing a boatlift, converted it to a .pdf document
motivated to share, but not enough to learn a bunch of new-to-me
'puter jargon. I can produce a Word document, a .pdf file or a web
page, seems like that should suffice.

My wiki accepts PDFs. I already uploaded one. I posted an address of
the page that explains how to upload PDFs.

i

On 26 May 2006 12:12:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

Hey Don, I speak both geek and redneck. Allow me to try to do some
translations, could you look at 'em once I do?

You bet. Thanks for the lifering.

I think I created two projects pages though I only intended to create
one. One is Don Foreman the other is DForeman. Don't care which one
is kept, only need one.

Shall I email you the stuff I wrote? I wrote it as a Word document
with embedded photos but I also have it in .pdf (hard to edit) and
could easily make it into a webpage with linked photos which is also
easy to edit. I know how to create a folder with an index.htm page
containing the text and links to photos that are located in the same
folder. I think that's preferable to .pdf because, while it isn't
quite as universal as .pdf, it is very easy to edit and/or lift from
after the fact.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:50:25 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On 26 May 2006 12:12:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:19:44 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
You may seek to start an exclusive club for those like you who are
computer-literate and also do a little metal now and then. Might be
fun for y'all.

The redneck version of an exclusive club works something like this:
"He ain't lahk us, let's shoot him!"

Hey Don, I speak both geek and redneck. Allow me to try to do some
translations, could you look at 'em once I do?

You bet. Thanks for the lifering.

I think I created two projects pages though I only intended to create
one. One is Don Foreman the other is DForeman. Don't care which one
is kept, only need one.

Shall I email you the stuff I wrote? I wrote it as a Word document
with embedded photos but I also have it in .pdf (hard to edit) and
could easily make it into a webpage with linked photos which is also
easy to edit. I know how to create a folder with an index.htm page
containing the text and links to photos that are located in the same
folder. I think that's preferable to .pdf because, while it isn't
quite as universal as .pdf, it is very easy to edit and/or lift from
after the fact.



if you have photos and text separately (that you then run through some
program to make thumbnails, etc and upload to your webpage), then text
with photyos separately would be easiest to convert into wiki format.

i

On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:50:25 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On 26 May 2006 12:12:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Hey Don, I speak both geek and redneck. Allow me to try to do some
translations, could you look at 'em once I do?

You bet. Thanks for the lifering.
I think I created two projects pages though I only intended to create
one. One is Don Foreman the other is DForeman. Don't care which one
is kept, only need one.

Shall I email you the stuff I wrote?

Sure, I'll do it probably this weekend. And write a "howto" while I'm
doing it.

On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:54:59 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit.

I think this is a swell idea, but I would like to suggest a badly
needed page: something like "using this wiki for dummies."

I see the term "talk"; what does that mean and how does it work?

How do I (easily) upload something like a web page with linked photos
that will be easy for me to edit as a project progresses?

How do visitors make comments, like "did you consider...." ?

How does one pose questions?

On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:20:09 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:54:59 GMT, Ignoramus18798
wrote:

http:// metalworking .algebra .com/

This is a metalworking wiki page that anyone can edit.

I think this is a swell idea, but I would like to suggest a badly
needed page: something like "using this wiki for dummies."

I have started that page: http://www.metalworker.org/Help

I wrote how to upload a PDF file.

I see the term "talk"; what does that mean and how does it work?

Talk page is a page for discussing a page.

For example there could be a page about soldering. Say you want to ask
to discuss silver soldering. You could click on "Talk", edit the talk
page, and say: gentlemen, please make sure to also write about silver
soldering. Then someone who looks at the talk page would notice your
request.


How do I (easily) upload something like a web page with linked photos
that will be easy for me to edit as a project progresses?

I will write a tutorial about it, but the main idea is that you upload
the photos first (say you upload picture Puzzlenut.jpg), and then
write a page that refers to that picture by typing

[[Image:Puzzlenut.jpg]]

For example, I have a user page (like everyone else):

http://www.metalworker.org/User:Ichudov

I uploaded a picture of myself and named it Ichudov.jpg.

Then I edited my user page and typed

[[image:Ichudov.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Igor's Picture]]

I took that text from some example, it made a 250 pixel thumbnail of
my picture. I could have just said

[[image:Ichudov.jpg]]

and the image would be inserted.


How do visitors make comments, like "did you consider...." ?

How does one pose questions?

Pose question to whom? I created a page for wanted articles here

http://www.metalworker.org/Articles_wanted

that would be a good place to ask for stuff,I think.

I will be happy to answer more questions.

i

Just to add to what Iggy wrote, for people who haven't used wikis
before--

Wiki markup is extremely simple, so you can learn the basics in a few
minutes. Wiki pages aren't usually "uploaded", because they're meant to
be edited online through the web interface. You can cut and paste text
from other documents into the editing window, although you may have to
clean up the formatting a bit (there is a "preview" button on the
editing page so you can see what it will look like before you save your
changes).

Wiki was invented for collaborative editing, so you generally assume
that other people will come along and improve your pages (this may or
may not be what you want for personal project pages). Every page has an
associated "talk" page where people can post questions and comments
without editing the main page (there's a tab at the top of the page to
access it). They can also send you email through your user page, if you
have that enabled (your email address is not on the page, they enter the
message in a form and it gets mailed to you).

PDF files are OK, but if you have a pre-existing HTML or Word page, I'd
just copy the text into a wiki page and leave the old formatting behind.
Part of the reason wikis work so well is that they encourage people to
keep the formatting simple, and concentrate on the content.

Wiki wants carriage returns at the end of paragraphs only, so if you're
using an editor that puts them at the end of each line (as I do) then
you'll want to remove the extra ones when you paste the text into the
editing page.

Italic text looks ''like this'', bold text looks '''like this'''.

Bullet lists look like this:
*First level
**Second level
[etc]

Numbered lists look like this:
#First level
##Second level
###Third level
[etc]

Indented text looks like this:
:First indent
::Second indent
[etc]

Fonts are determined by the viewer's web browser. The wiki runs on the
same software that's used by wikipedia, so you can look at their help
pages too (there's a lot of fancy formatting available for things like
footnotes that you probably don't need).

Ron, what you wrote is brilliant in its simplicity.

I hope that you do not mind that I placed it on the wiki page as

http://www.metalworker.org/Introduct...to_wiki_by_Ron

i

On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:31:37 -0000, Ron Bean wrote:

Just to add to what Iggy wrote, for people who haven't used wikis
before--

Wiki markup is extremely simple, so you can learn the basics in a few
minutes. Wiki pages aren't usually "uploaded", because they're meant to
be edited online through the web interface. You can cut and paste text
from other documents into the editing window, although you may have to
clean up the formatting a bit (there is a "preview" button on the
editing page so you can see what it will look like before you save your
changes).

Wiki was invented for collaborative editing, so you generally assume
that other people will come along and improve your pages (this may or
may not be what you want for personal project pages). Every page has an
associated "talk" page where people can post questions and comments
without editing the main page (there's a tab at the top of the page to
access it). They can also send you email through your user page, if you
have that enabled (your email address is not on the page, they enter the
message in a form and it gets mailed to you).

PDF files are OK, but if you have a pre-existing HTML or Word page, I'd
just copy the text into a wiki page and leave the old formatting behind.
Part of the reason wikis work so well is that they encourage people to
keep the formatting simple, and concentrate on the content.

Wiki wants carriage returns at the end of paragraphs only, so if you're
using an editor that puts them at the end of each line (as I do) then
you'll want to remove the extra ones when you paste the text into the
editing page.

Italic text looks ''like this'', bold text looks '''like this'''.

Bullet lists look like this:
*First level
**Second level
[etc]

Numbered lists look like this:
#First level
##Second level
###Third level
[etc]

Indented text looks like this:
:First indent
::Second indent
[etc]

Fonts are determined by the viewer's web browser. The wiki runs on the
same software that's used by wikipedia, so you can look at their help
pages too (there's a lot of fancy formatting available for things like
footnotes that you probably don't need).

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray
wrote:

..
Yeah, don't worry about the format, let's just get content there first.

Yep. I added some content and, lo! some computer type fixed the format for
me!

Thanks!

On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:56:05 -0700, Kelly Jones wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray
wrote:

.
Yeah, don't worry about the format, let's just get content there first.

Yep. I added some content and, lo! some computer type fixed the format for
me!

You can even know who changed what and when and how:

http://www.metalworker.org/Special:Recentchanges

and

http://www.metalworker.org/index.php...action=history

On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:56:05 -0700, Kelly Jones wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:10:14 -0700, xray
wrote:

.
Yeah, don't worry about the format, let's just get content there first.

Yep. I added some content and, lo! some computer type fixed the format for
me!

Isn't that nice? No worrying about html tags, formatting, or anything,
and it comes out readable. Can always pretty it up later.

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:02:58 -0700, xray wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:00 GMT, Ignoramus8797
wrote:

How about exporting your word information into text format?

Wouldn't Wiki do best with html? I think in Word you can save word docs
as html.

That would work; we can run it through "tidy" to un-microsoft the HTML.
Igor, if you don't have tidy, it's something you'll like. Even if you
do have it it's something you'll like, well, you know what I mean.

What is "tidy" (in the context of cleaning up word's html output) and
where might one get this binary?

On 27 May 2006 17:21:46 -0700, "Bryan" wrote:


Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:02:58 -0700, xray wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:00 GMT, Ignoramus8797
wrote:

How about exporting your word information into text format?

Wouldn't Wiki do best with html? I think in Word you can save word docs
as html.

That would work; we can run it through "tidy" to un-microsoft the HTML.
Igor, if you don't have tidy, it's something you'll like. Even if you
do have it it's something you'll like, well, you know what I mean.

What is "tidy" (in the context of cleaning up word's html output) and
where might one get this binary?

How about googling on 'html tidy'. You might find something like this:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tidy

A bit different subject; this is helpful too:
http://validator.w3.org/