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587 Lionel train dual controller. Black buttons reverse the trains. Red
lever blows whistle.

590 Change dispenser. Mounts on belt. Fill each tube with coins. Push
each lever down do drop a specific number of coins into your palm. Used by
news-kiosk operators, for example.


592 Ring adapter anvil for a blacksmith/silversmith. The rectangular end,
up in the bottom photo, goes into the rectangular hole in a full-size anvil.
Bang the rod/strap stock over the partial curved surface to form most of the
ring. Finish it on the cone.

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587 looks like the speed control on my Lionel train set I had 40 years ago.

590 coin sorter collector (left to right, quarter, dime, nickel, penny)



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587: Transformer for an old electric train set. That takes me back...
590: Conductors change holder

That's all I've got...

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587: Transformer for an old electric train set. That takes me back...


Same here. Had a lot of derailments thanks to a need for speed.

588: Some variety of cable stripper?

589: Water faucet handle?


590: Conductors change holder


Used one for my paper route lo these many years ago.


That's all I've got...


591: Well bail for drawing water. Valve opens when bail reaches the
water and closes upon being lifted. Once the bail is out of the well,
the water is released into a container by pulling upward on the ring at
the top of the interior rod.

592: Blacksmith's/Tinsmith's stake for forming sheet metal. Wide side is
for starting conical-section pieces, : Small side is for finishing into
candle molds, etc. Many other (ab)uses are possible. I use one quite
often.


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588: Some variety of cable stripper?


Yes. Used by telephone installers on the drop wire from the pole to the
house.

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588: Some variety of cable stripper?


Yes. Used by telephone installers on the drop wire from the pole to the
house.


Yep, very handy. I use mine for slitting open all types of
multiconductor cable.

There's an adjustment to control cutting depth, you can use it on two
thickness' of cable without further adjustment, and to top it off you
can easily remove the blade for sharpening. Found mine in a pawn shop
about 22 years ago and I'll never get rid of it. Don't know of a
source of supply though. ;(

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588: Some variety of cable stripper?


Yes. Used by telephone installers on the drop wire from the pole to the
house.


589 Keyhole cover. Don't remember where I saw them, but they hang on a
screw above a keyhole, hanging down by gravity. Push to one side to insert
key.

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589 bob for feeding drawstring through hem
591 bucket for water well

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588: Some variety of cable stripper?


Yes. Used by telephone installers on the drop wire from the pole to the
house.



589 Keyhole cover. Don't remember where I saw them, but they hang on a
screw above a keyhole, hanging down by gravity. Push to one side to insert
key.


Yer dead on! I submitted that one. I picked it up from a trash heap
behind a hardware store (ironmongers?) in England about 30 years ago.

They were used to keep the Butler from seeing what he shouldn't see. G

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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
589 Keyhole cover. Don't remember where I saw them, but they hang
on a screw above a keyhole, hanging down by gravity. Push to one side
to insert key.

Yer dead on! I submitted that one. I picked it up from a trash heap
behind a hardware store (ironmongers?) in England about 30 years ago.

They were used to keep the Butler from seeing what he shouldn't see. G

Jeff


We still use them on outer doors to protect the lock from windblown
crud, and to keep the draught out!

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587. Lionel Train Transformer

590. Coin Change dispenser (like carhops would have used)




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589 is one of those little covers for keyholes to stop the draught getting
in. Our old house had them on every door

ally


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Not to dispute the experts, but ...
The (few) keyhole covers I saw were much thinner than this.
This pic looks a lot like the things my grandmother had on
the ends of the cords for her venetian(sp?) blinds.

Art

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588: Some variety of cable stripper?

Yes. Used by telephone installers on the drop wire from the pole to the
house.



589 Keyhole cover. Don't remember where I saw them, but they hang on a
screw above a keyhole, hanging down by gravity. Push to one side to insert
key.


Yer dead on! I submitted that one. I picked it up from a trash heap
behind a hardware store (ironmongers?) in England about 30 years ago.

They were used to keep the Butler from seeing what he shouldn't see. G

Jeff

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#590: The coin tubes in one of the belt-worn coin changers (like the
drive-in carhops used to wear.)

Once again, that's all I've got.


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583 is a castellated nut. A cotter pin keeps it from
loosening or tightening.

585 is a chain binder used to tighten chains holding cargo.

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590 is a high speed changer, it holds nickels, dimes, and quarters.

592 sheet metal stakes.

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588: Some variety of cable stripper?


Hmmm ... that makes sense. Use it for stripping the outer
jacket from Romex wire?

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587, Train set transformer/power supply
590 Change dispenser for car hop.
591, A bed warmer? Insert hot coals and run it between the sheets, just a
WAG.

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Most have been answered already.

584. Chamfering draw knife - probably cooper's

586. Looks like a paint mixer, but seems to have more vanes than most
I've seen.

588. BX cable stripper?

581 marked oversize with inch markings is a curious item.

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591. No one else here is old enough to have drawn water from a well?
Drilled wells were lined with 6" ceramic pipe. So it took a long,
skinny bucket to pass down into the well. Water filled the bucket
through the valve in the bottom. As it was lifted, the valve seated and
held in the water. Once the bucket was fully withdrawn from the well,
one held it over another container, then pulled the ring on the top.
This opened the valve at the bottom and emptied the bucket.

A special version called a sand pump was used to remove sand that could
collect in the bottom of the well, limiting the well's water capacity.

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591. No one else here is old enough to have drawn water from a well?
Drilled wells were lined with 6" ceramic pipe. So it took a long,
skinny bucket to pass down into the well. Water filled the bucket
through the valve in the bottom. As it was lifted, the valve seated and
held in the water. Once the bucket was fully withdrawn from the well,
one held it over another container, then pulled the ring on the top.
This opened the valve at the bottom and emptied the bucket.

A special version called a sand pump was used to remove sand that could
collect in the bottom of the well, limiting the well's water capacity.


See, we didn't have drilled wells when I was growing up, we had a dug
well, and we used a cedar bucket on a rope, altho, thinking back, I
remember at least one person who had something similar, but their well
was 10 or 12" ceramic pipe, and I barely remember something similar, but
it wasn't as long and narrow.

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See, we didn't have drilled wells when I was growing up, we had a dug
well, and we used a cedar bucket on a rope, altho, thinking back, I
remember at least one person who had something similar, but their well
was 10 or 12" ceramic pipe, and I barely remember something similar, but
it wasn't as long and narrow.


My paternal grandmother had a dug well at her house and I have one under
my kitchen. I wouldn't take water from the one under my kitchen, but it
has a cool beehive-shape top that shows some fairly impressive
bricklaying skill went into it.

My wife's grandmother drew water from her drilled well using a bailer
almost until her dying day at 90+. I drew water with a bailer from a
drilled well at my maternal grandmother's place. She wouldn't hear of
having city water. I think she thought the treatment chemicals were slow
poisons. But, then, she also thought all unused electric receptacles had
to be covered so the electricity wouldn't leak out and "do who knows
what to us." She refused to have an electric pump in her well because
she thought the electricity would somehow make the water unhealthy.

Strange ideas to be sure, but quite a few old folks held similar
opinions about "those new-fangled things that are just made so people
can be lazy."

I remember going with my cousins to a store in Barton, OH to get a
gallon jug of "coal oil" for lamps for an elderly lady who would have
nothing whatever to do with anything electrical. She always put in a few
cents extra for candy to pay us for going.
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Not to dispute the experts, but ...
The (few) keyhole covers I saw were much thinner than this.
This pic looks a lot like the things my grandmother had on
the ends of the cords for her venetian(sp?) blinds.

Art



Well, mine is flat unglazed ceramic on the backside, with a sharp edge
on the hole, so I 'spect it's truly a keyhole cover.

I'd imagine a drawstring pull would be glazed all over and have
radiuses at both ends of the hole.

Jeff (Bucking for a bit part on CSI....)

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There's an adjustment to control cutting depth, you can use it on two
thickness' of cable without further adjustment, and to top it off you
can easily remove the blade for sharpening.


I don't see an adjustment to control cutting depth on mine, it has a round
blade that is held in place by a single screw. Though the tool is not
symetrical and does cut deeper on one side.


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Don,

I didn't see any answers in your post, just the quote from the OP and your
sig. I'm not asking you to re-write it, but if you still have your
original reply saved somewhere, maybe you could post it or at least figure
out the problem.


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2 5/8" long? That's some BIG keyholes!


These are keyholes for warded locks, not cylinder locks. The hole has
to be big enough for the wards to fit through, and is typically on the
order of 1/2 inch high. The widest part is the shaft hole that someone
might look through, which from memory I would say is around 3/16 inch
in diameter. And the hole in the cover plate is often made larger than
the internal hole in the lock mechanism.

As to the cover, you want it to work so that when you push it aside to
use the keyhole, you push more or less horizontally and only a little
upward, so it swings back but not too readily. To implement that, the
cover is pivoted at a point some little way above the actual hole. See:

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http://www.historichouseparts.com/images/VH0324-02.JPG
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[ ... ]

I didn't see any answers in your post, just the quote from the OP and your
sig. I'm not asking you to re-write it, but if you still have your
original reply saved somewhere, maybe you could post it or at least figure
out the problem.


I know *what* the problem is.

1) My ISP's news server connection times out when I take a while editing
an article. (My followups to this subject usually take long
enough.

2) As a result, after spell-checking I usually save a copy to the
file /tmp/safety before attempting to send.

3) Then (after I get the error message) again say that I want to
followup to the same article, and edit away everything which
is there and and read in /tmp/safety before sending it out.

Apparently, this time I was distracted and forgot to delete the
original information and read in /tmp/safety.

Here is the original, minus the headers:


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O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking again:

587) The fancier control transformer from a Lionel electric train
setup.

Two basic variable transformer sections for controlling two
different trains on two track sections (which may or may not
interlink).

The two black buttons which say "reverse" interrupt the power
momentarily to step a reversing switch in the engines.

The red handle I'm not positive about, since I never had this
model, but I suspect that it is for controlling track switches
to divert the trains from one track section to another.

I do remember that there was a red button to engage a decoupler
to allow the train to leave some of the cars behind at selected
points.

The one which I had was only for a single train.

588) That circular blade seems rather sharp, so I suspect that this
is intended to split something in ribbon or tape form which has
been laid on top of a guide stick which fits the grooves.

589) Perhaps a weight to control wind whip of long-wire antennas?
Or a non-conductive plumb bob (given the sharp point at the
bottom?

590) A coin dispenser, such as the conductor on busses or trolleys
once would wear.

591) Hmmm ... this looks as though it is intended to sample water (or
some other liquid) from a given level in a tank or a well
casing.

As I see it, you lower it into the liquid with a second line
holding the stopper raised to allow liquid to flow through it
until it gets to the desired depth, then you release the second
line, allowing the stopper to close, and draw the entire device
back to the surface.

It looks like a rather kludgy variation on a Nissen bottle, (I
hope that I got the spelling right) used by oceanographers to
take samples at various depths.

592) Some form of blacksmith's tool. The square shank fits into the
"Hardy" (square) hole in the anvil. There is another hole
(Prichard, IIRC) which is round, and is used for other purposes.

It looks as though this is for forming rings of fairly small
thickness material.

Now to see what others have said.

However -- I would like to propose a change in the item
numbering scheme. You never have as many as ten, so what I would
suggest is a number encoding the puzzle page number (102 in this case),
followed by a hyphen and a single digit. So this last one above would
become: "102-6" instead of "592".

This might make it more obvious to those who post answers to the
previous week's puzzles that there is something different here. :-)

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However -- I would like to propose a change in the item
numbering scheme. You never have as many as ten, so what I would
suggest is a number encoding the puzzle page number (102 in this case),
followed by a hyphen and a single digit. So this last one above would
become: "102-6" instead of "592".



I've got a couple of other minor changes that I'm thinking about, I'll add
your idea to the list, though I haven't yet decided if I'll implement any of
them.

Thanks for the re-post.


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I'm an American who works for a major company,
but occasionally travels on business overseas.

I am currently in China and when I try to access the above
website from there, I get the following:
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Network Error (tcp_error)
A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out"
The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems
preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a
later time.

For assistance, contact your network support team.
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I can get the website when I use the company VPN through a gateway in
the USA.

I guess this website is too subversive for the Chinese government.
:-)

(Actually some other blogs on the site might be in that category)


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I guess this website is too subversive for the Chinese government.


Thanks for the info, I have noticed that I don't get any hits from China but
I never thought that it might be banned by the government. Part of me would
like to think that my site is too subversive for them but I'm guessing that
all blogspot sites are blocked from the general public.


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However -- I would like to propose a change in the item
numbering scheme. You never have as many as ten, so what I would
suggest is a number encoding the puzzle page number (102 in this case),
followed by a hyphen and a single digit. So this last one above would
become: "102-6" instead of "592".



I've got a couple of other minor changes that I'm thinking about, I'll add
your idea to the list, though I haven't yet decided if I'll implement any of
them.


At least, please consider adding a *very* visible bar -- say a
black and yellow diagonal striped bar -- separating the new puzzle photos
from the display of the previous week's.

Alternatives would be to change the background color for the
area displaying the last week's puzzle photos -- or make it necessary to
click a link to see them.

It currently really looks too much like a continuation of the
puzzles, and many who don't come buy every week make the mistake of
answering the ones which have already been answered.

Thanks for the re-post.


You're welcome.

Thanks for the continuing supply of puzzles.

Enjoy,
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At least, please consider adding a *very* visible bar -- say a
black and yellow diagonal striped bar -- separating the new puzzle photos
from the display of the previous week's.



I'll keep my eye out for a visible bar that will look good on my site, but
until then I'll leave a good deal of space between the two latest posts.


Alternatives would be to change the background color for the
area displaying the last week's puzzle photos -- or make it necessary to
click a link to see them.



The reason that I keep the previous week's post on the front page is so that
new visitors will see a wider range of objects. Some posts have tools for
all six items, so the second set will hopefully contain something that will
appeal to a larger number of people.


I did find something that I was going to use as a separator between posts,
but instead I decided to include it as one of the puzzles, it will be the
last entry in this week's post. It's a little different than what is
usually seen on my site, so depending on what kind of response it generates,
I may or may not continue with similar puzzles.


Rob




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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:22:18 GMT, "R.H."
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At least, please consider adding a *very* visible bar -- say a
black and yellow diagonal striped bar -- separating the new puzzle photos
from the display of the previous week's.



I'll keep my eye out for a visible bar that will look good on my site, but
until then I'll leave a good deal of space between the two latest posts.


Alternatives would be to change the background color for the
area displaying the last week's puzzle photos -- or make it necessary to
click a link to see them.



The reason that I keep the previous week's post on the front page is so that
new visitors will see a wider range of objects. Some posts have tools for
all six items, so the second set will hopefully contain something that will
appeal to a larger number of people.


I did find something that I was going to use as a separator between posts,
but instead I decided to include it as one of the puzzles, it will be the
last entry in this week's post. It's a little different than what is
usually seen on my site, so depending on what kind of response it generates,
I may or may not continue with similar puzzles.



Hi Rob,

How about making thumbnails of last weeks puzzle entries and
then putting them all in one row at the bottom of the page.
That way people can get an idea of what they look like. Make
it so they can click on any one of them to bring up last
weeks set.

Just an idea...
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How about making thumbnails of last weeks puzzle entries and
then putting them all in one row at the bottom of the page.
That way people can get an idea of what they look like. Make
it so they can click on any one of them to bring up last
weeks set.


That's a good idea, too late for this week but possibly for the following
set, if I like how it looks.


Rob


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